will solve the security and military situation around russia, although of course there may be many victims of such a conflict, and thirdly, russia has no allies, that is, if we were talking about some two blocs, as it was in the times of the soviet union, why ? well, the balance was maintained and actually it was taken seriously because there were really two two blocs two blocs of states that opposed each other at the global regional level during the cold war and now russia has no allies, meaning such military and political ones as, for example will go there with them to fight against someone er themselves. this meeting in decab is once again demonstrated by an organization that has extremely small capabilities in terms of maneuvers in terms of some practical actions and i do not see among the countries that are members of the otcb er who will be ready to take some radical steps together with russia against the countries of the west or some other countries to it. we have seen examples with ukraine that they

reacted in a rather limited way to the invasions of russia, some such as kazakhstan, for example, in general, quite sharply stated that they will not take any part in this, and that is why i think that these three reasons make the point that i do not think that russia will somehow be able to respond to the expansion of nato from mr. course, putin said about this in the end, yes modestly, and said that they will not arrange neither sweden nor finland have any military problems in the current format, because they say that the kremlin does not see a threat , so to speak, in their accession to nato, but here the story about ukraine and our potential membership in nato, respectively, if any , comes to the fore an accelerated procedure, if it is possible to pass very quickly, this is not a defined format at all, because it is possible to prepare for tens of years and not join, and here we are facing,

as far as i understood, a certain window of opportunity, how can we correctly use this situation, or the euro-atlantic union will not be afraid the intensification of talks with kyiv on this matter, and on the other hand, will official kyiv not look for regular formats of some guarantees of our security in france, germany, or some other canada regarding ukraine's accession to nato, there are four points that, in my opinion, do not allow us to talk about the fact that we will quickly find ourselves in nato hmmm, first of all, it is accepted for, well, in nato, they accept through a procedure what is called a membership action plan, this is essentially a procedure that consists in assessing the extent of the country according to various criteria standards, the country is ready to be a member of nato, that is, to take on the obligations that are written in the nato charter, and there are many of them, and they are

realistic, uh, well, ukraine really has to fulfill them, it has to adhere to certain rules, despite the war, uh i think we are not ready by all standards, maybe by the military, we can say that yes, we have a powerful army, we have a well-established system there, but as you yourself know, nato has a lot of standards that relate to the effectiveness of the political system of the judicial branch of government, and well, war, uh, they did not agree well, it looks like our turks are more ready according to various democratic indicators to the standards of the euro-atlantic community, don't look, let's not compare, turkey has no intention of joining nato, they are already a member of nato, so that's why here we are not talking about that, we are talking about the expansion of nato at the expense of ukraine, and i am talking about ukraine right now, so if turkey was not a relevant example, because it was a decision to accept turkey, it was

definitely political, and then it would have been completely different era under completely different conditions, so there is no need to compare now, there are definitely problems in turkey. i am not talking about this at all, i will not argue with this, but this is a factor that was voiced by some nato countries regarding the issue even before the war and during the time of the war, the second factor is the fact that we have a conflict with russia. in my opinion, this especially applies to the european ones. there is still the indecision of some european countries, which believe that if ukraine is accepted into nato right now, right now, right now, in the midst of the war with russia, it could involve an alliance war with russia why such countries as germany or austria or the netherlands will not want and turkey, by the way, also the third factor not all nato countries agree can agree to the expansion of the alliance precisely at the expense of ukraine, that is, if in finland sweden, which, as i said, has been integrated in this structure for many years, and in fact, the

only issue was that a little more than 50% of society opposed it, and now the situation has changed, that is, there was no need to make any fundamental changes in it or they did not have any significant reservations from other european countries, the situation with ukraine is still different. that is, it is difficult for us to compare with finland and sweden, because our geopolitical situation is worse and more difficult, taking into account croatia absolutely calmly, and we understand that according to the level of many indicators, ukraine is not nato and has moved far away from croatia. well, but in the end, so to speak, time will tell, when a favorable moment appears, perhaps political will will appear and not only in kyiv, but also in our immediate western european countries allies of the panel, thank you for your comments, ilya kurs, an expert on international politics of the analytical center, the ukrainian institute of the future, was in touch with us. well, let's move

on to the assessment of the military situation in our country, in particular, and to related issues literally in a few moments, i thought we were already in touch with our guest, but for now we are waiting and we will contact each other . well, i will remind you that i am sorry. maybe you do not like this topic very much, because i am not sure about this, but all the same, go there yourself kb, well, it looked like you know how i feel. well, i don’t know anything like that from the soviet union. i’m like that. probably only in the movies. i saw it. well, but less than that. still, a few such poignant moments happened at that summit, and one of them related to mr. pashinyan, the head of armenia, who took advantage opportunity and platform and reminded that odeka would not have helped armenia in the conflict with azerbaijan, which took place in a very localized, very specific way. but nevertheless, it took place already during the hot phase of our war with the

russian federation. will it become some kind of fundamentally important crisis? well, i don't know anymore, but less with it is interesting to watch oleksandr kovalenko, a military expert, a military-political observer of the information resistance group, oleksandr. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine glory. well, this morning the russians tried to break through with the forces of a separate sabotage of a football group to sumyshchyna, as a result of this, our border guard was killed, may his memory be oleksandr popovchenko, so they gave the russians a cigarette and chased them away, but in your opinion, what goal could they be pursuing, we understand that sumyshchyna knocked them out, sumyshchyna knocked them out of chernihivshchyna, but they are still shelling and even are climbing in sabotage groups so that they are now so capable of using their army in

order to open some kind of second front, third front , something like this. the area of ​​sumy oblast or chernihiv oblast, again, use belarus again, that's why they use completely different tactics , they use, first of all, the tactics of shelling , artillery shelling - this is barrel artillery - this is reactive artillery, the territory of ukraine, exactly the territory of ukraine that was occupied, for example er, in the same sumy region, and they also use sabotage groups. why? well, of course, in order to carry out sabotage directly on the territory of ukraine, continue to wage this and almost a war in a sabotage mode in unoccupied territories in order to

destroy some logistical possibilities of this region and other infrastructural objects . that is, it can already be said that they are using the latest that they have, but there are other points, for example , that they the same tactics can be used by them in odesa, odesa region, that is, from transnistria, to use the sabotage potential of illegal military formations that are there, that is, now really to carry out sabotage activities huh. if we talk about the kharkiv region, the retreating occupiers blew up road bridges there in order to stop the counteroffensive in the armed forces of ukraine. taking into account the simple absence of these highways and i do not believe that now the russian occupiers can

carry out some kind of counteroffensive, for example, in the kharkiv region, which is directly to the north and northeast of kharkiv. and this in general, the territory is already almost lost, the areas are lost for the russian occupiers, returning to them will be suicide, they can now only flee there, there are a few serious enough such settlements, and there are still some that they have not left. but again, it is only a matter of time that directly to the e-e capacity of e-e logistics for the contrasting actions of the armed forces of ukraine, then again e-e repair works in our country we see how they are being carried out very well. therefore, it is also a matter of time how much it will slow down the counter-offensive the slowdown is 48-70 hours, depending on the extent to which one or another

logistical infrastructure node is destroyed, and it could be a week, but this is a situation in general, the situation is such that it will continue, and, as of today, there is no chance that the russian occupier the kopansks have no chance to get enough territory by the ball, well, accordingly, i wanted to clarify with you the phenomenon of belogorivka, so because the russians sold out - more precisely, the russian military leadership demonstrated, well, an extraordinary stupidity, that is, they climbed into the meat grinder, in fact everything was shot at by our artillery very competently , firing positions were set up, but all the same they climbed and climbed and climbed well, accordingly, clarification. and luhansk region. and in general, the donbas bridgehead as

such depends very much on the situation that will take place in the area of ​​the seventh in the future . first of all, why? because, for example, in the raisin area, the 30-7th battalion is now concentrated tactical groups of the russian occupiers, and depending on the development of the situation in the kharkiv region, as well as the conditions, if we liberate the northern and northeastern directions from kharkiv, a counteroffensive will begin in the southeastern direction. therefore, this is a direct threat to the raisin and the russian occupiers they will have to think about what to do next in this area, because if this group of troops stays, they will in a month, maybe even sooner

they will find themselves surrounded. in other words, it will be, well, in general, it will be the destruction of the most truly cuddly and more than the most numerous cuba by the russian occupation forces, and as for the auctioning of the northern seller, this is such a shame that, well, they didn’t even know, probably since the time of the world war , when exactly zhukov, if only someone like that the method of forcing and us, when they were listed with the lives of the employees and even with the equipment, and therefore these are the descendants of zhgutov, but of course it plays to their advantage because more than a battalion was destroyed tactical movement only during its forcing. and if it is personnel here, the official information was under 500. if we talk about the personnel

, this is almost a battalion tactical group. information that's why it's almost a battalion tactical group that was destroyed, well, it's well, i don't even know what to compare it with in today's modern conflicts, so that there would be some example, i don't even know, there really is no such thing, it's something new, it's some kind of record, an anti-record which the russian army set, well, on the other hand , it may set another anti-record , in particular, it is about an extremely tense situation near gulyaipol, so hellish battles are going on, and there is a feeling that the russians can use this as one of the main strategic directions of the deployment of their troops, and so it is in order to to be carried out

only during this great battle for donbass, but here such a moment is very interesting in relation to zaporizhzhya oblast in general, in the complex of kharkiv oblast, if we really look at the map it is the kharkiv region that will be decisive in the de-occupation of donbas in general, and first of all it is about the luhansk region, then about donetsk , but zaporizhia is a very important factor, because the counteroffensive, namely, the armed forces of ukraine in the southern direction of the zaporizhia region. and he can fully er destroy the entire logistics voice logistics system once er more or less but still fixed the pandas that is what we what we get we get almost their er two two such bridgeheads that we will see is the kherson bridgehead

and from the donbass, which will remain after the de-occupation of the zaporizhia region. and what is particularly interesting is that the zaporizhia region is not the largest group of russian occupation troops, that is, they are now really activated by this, but they do not have the personnel capacity or technical capabilities to really internalize a on a wide front, that is, to cover the whole front, they can do it in some uh-uh direction, but that's not their minus oleksandr doesn't we have the same situation, i'm saying that if we had the ability to now counter-attack in all directions, then this would surely be the best option for the development of events for us, uh, in the southern direction, we see that the occupiers are concreting and digging in, and this means that in the case of defense, they can

be really effective and productive in this sense , that is, here time seems to play both in our favor and against us , the issue is probably in the armaments, which we need to get at some point. i hope. well, speaking on a large scale. yes, i understand. speaking of the southern direction, you are probably talking about the first turn about kherson and the kherson region, and here is also a very interesting point, first of all, they have now increased the number of their battalion of tactical groups in the kherson region from the seventh until 17:00, but this is what they are maximally capable of now, because they do not have enough human resources to defend and maintain kherson. i will remind you of the 10 km front, they have only 17 battalions of tactical groups, although in order to really hold such a front , you need 40 battalions of tactical groups.

you can see that now their human resource resources are more than two times less than they need. and in general , the maintenance and defense of an unfamiliar bridgehead , namely the kherson region, is an unfamiliar bridgehead for them , despite the fact that they have been there for more than a month and a half and this is very much a suicidal mission. why? because we see the chernobaivka, why is it happening in chernobaivka? because the chernobaivka has a 100% hit by our artillery, and that is why they are in such a disadvantageous position there, although this strategically and tactically, it is a profitable settlement precisely for the attack on mykolaivka, mykolaiv region, therefore, when they occupy the crown tactics of conducting hostilities, they will again be at a disadvantage because there will not be any counterattacks, precisely on their defensive positions, there will be the destruction of the defensive positions of the artillery

. reactive when they are destroyed, then there will be a counteroffensive in the most affected by the affected place in the direction of the most unprotected bridgehead. similarly, the armed forces of ukraine acted, for example, in chernihiv, kyiv oblast, sumy oblast now we see how it works. we do not make any large-scale offensives on the front, we take up the defense, we hold back their advance. and when they are already exhausted, they are destroyed as part of already counter-offensive actions. thank you for your comments . and important information in the russian ministry of defense reported on reaching an agreement on the alleged removal of wounded ukrainian soldiers from the blocked mariupol azovsteel plant to the occupied territory.

so far, only interfax refers to the ministry of defense of the russian federation. on may 16, as a result of negotiations with representatives of ukrainian servicemen blocked on the territory of the azovstal metallurgical plant in mariupol, an agreement was reached on the evacuation of the wounded. -e informational and psychological operation that the russians are planning to conduct, at least that's what informed paula says, well, in any case, we'll see yes, if there are no international observers of international organizations that could ensure the safe transportation of our wounded soldiers, well, this will mean that this is some kind of russian, there will be a russian story that increases the level of danger in communication with us maryana oleskiv, head of the state tourism development agency of ukraine ms. maryana congratulates you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes well, during the

war, i don't want to talk about tourism, tourism , but we understand that there are certain areas that are completely dependent on this direction of the domestic ukrainian economy, and on the other hand , we understand that there are a lot of civilians, mothers with children, and so on, that they want to take their children somewhere and, accordingly, we wanted to ask you about the prospects for our mothers of the carpathians, or i don't know , or the dnipro itself, who remain on traditional tourist e- e routes, in particular, we are talking about the mykolaiv region, in fact, today it is very difficult to talk about tourism when there are active hostilities in our country. despite this, in the western part of our country, the tourist tax has increased many times, but we understand that it is more forced tourism when these institutions have to accept temporary transfers of persons for

a certain period of time. many international journalists and international experts who come to ukraine stay today in our hotel sector. in the last week, we have heard a lot of information about the destroyed tourist infrastructure, about rocket attacks that hit the very basic hotel rest in the odesa region, in particular, today was the news that unguided mines that were launched by the russian federation landed in the sea, so unfortunately today the chances that there will be a holiday season in the south of ukraine are extremely low, but we therefore believe in our armed forces of ukraine, the entire tourism industry is actively working on helping to ensure the temporary movement of people through possible evacuation flights, as well as the internal

migration of people across the country to other regions where work in the industry is possible, sometimes to other countries, will be important today therefore, again, that the season today will be in the south, and there will be little, most likely, it will not be. this summer, we believe that there will be a season next year already in the wider limits of our beach resort territory borders will be returned by 2014, but we are working today on a convenient tool for people who are involved in the industry to find a job for them in another territory . it is discussed, of course, and there are prospects the return of our currently occupied territories, but the issue of demining is important, that is, we realize that this process is very complicated and expensive

, most likely it will require the involvement of not only ukrainian specialists, and ukraine currently remains one of the most mined countries in the world, in principle we will need the lamination of our territory and our sea. well, not one year at all, and therefore we can not talk about the safety of the holiday season even for the next year, well, actually, this is a question we we will be able to discuss in detail after the territories are freed, because today it is such a big guess on the coffee grounds. unfortunately, these issues will need to be resolved , and this is generally a separate demining program. if possible, it is safe to walk in the forests, including we even today we understand that near kyiv it is not safe to be in nature and the regional

military administrations must inform about these territories where you can walk where you can't walk so today we understand what we have there are mountains in the western part of the country where today it is safe to be there and there are many families with children who leave today and such areas where you do not need to go to shelter during rocket attacks, this is what we could not predict for sure as a country because it is such a force -force majeure circumstances but our tourism business is learning to work in them. and today it is not sitting idly by and is doing a lot for the common victory. it is a very important moment that ukraine suffered losses as a result of the russian intervention, in particular it is said about the tourism cluster in particular, yes well, where will it be possible to reorient the tour guide in reality, and they have their colossal experience in international communication, so there is no question here that they should go to

some, i don’t know, salesmen, to a store or somewhere else, but maybe there is some perspective to follow them in the development of our ukrainian defense capability, it is possible that our ukrainian economy, switching to military rails, will be able to attract people with that unique experience, well, actually, this is the experience of many industries, we see today the restaurant industry the industry that prepares food for our fighters e for territorial defense for vulnerable sections of the population and this food supply it is very important in those territories where today there are displaced persons or where there are active hostilities or whether active hostilities are imminent the hotel industry today receives guests reorganize the conference - reception halls for such displaced people in temporary shelters, and people who worked as guides, they also work actively with foreign journalists today, accompanying them yes, that is, it is difficult here today for the tourism business to

make bulletproof vests because they have never done it. but there are those skills of quick organization of logistics, e.e., cooking, receiving guests, which help plus relationships that really exist abroad, and it helps, first of all, with this employment because the contacts we have with our e-e partners, the same agencies involved in tourism in the eu countries, today help to form such a list of employment opportunities for those ukrainians who are mothers with the children are often of women who were forced to leave the territory of ukraine because of the war, and that is why there are people here who do not stop for a minute. it seems to me that there is no tourist industry in ukraine, there is no exception to the data in this situation. well, there are some foreign tourists, that is, people who would be ready to take a risk and come to ukraine well, because bono came and not

only, so to speak, angelina jolie took a bona, of course they did not use the situation for some touristic purposes, that is, the clear humanitarian goals are clear yes well, but maybe there is a chance to get at least some tourist arrivals, many people in the world love extremes from the rest, well actually today integration is crazy and a lot of tourist operators are contacting us so that we are ready to be the first to go and see and then sell ukraine as a tourist destination in their own market and on today, if we talk about mass tourism, it is still not so 100% safe. yes, we have the threat of missile strikes in ukraine once and for the second time, there are difficult logistics, yes, we are working on this, we communicate with our tourism business by our citizens because we have to be sure that it is

possible from an ethical point of view and in time from a logistical point of view, that's why it's such a twofold thing here, of course there are people who go and who are interested in going to some such unusual places, but it is important for us to position ukraine not as a dangerous country, so it will take us some time to communicate that we are safe, you can go to us except for these places like memory and we have many beautiful natural cultural monuments and such attention to our culture as a victory of the question we a minute, there is literally an exception. i don't know russia from international organizations. if we talk about tourism, is this process active now and are you involved in it, well, actually, this is what we actively worked on in the first month of the war and right now with russia, they excluded the world tourism organization, it is a un organization, one of the

un organizations that excluded russia from membership, and it was also not simply because many people said that russia is not, it is not tourism at all, it is not against territorial integrity - it is not about human rights, it is simple tourism is out of politics, but thanks to the active work of our ministries of foreign affairs, ministries of infrastructure, we managed to convince most countries to vote for such an exclusion. thank you , maryana oleskiv, the head of the state tourism development agency of ukraine was in touch with us. with fees for vacations on the territory of our country but nevertheless , use what is available, pay for it, this is also important. literally in a moment, as i understand it, but you have a word,

thank you, khrystyna, of course i will tell you about