they investigated 833 reports of the death of russians. among the russian changes, and at least there it was mentioned about the buryat soldiers, they claim that the largest number of russians killed is in this region, but friends, i think that here it is possible to explain to the audience why we are talking about this at all, because well, some people may ask, listen, there is a war in ukraine, i don’t care what is happening in russia, how many of them died there and in general yes, but we are planning and dreaming that one of the options for our victory will be it's the revolution in russia and e that people like that will come out for protests er they will bring down this current government and the war will stop that's why we're talking about it trying to understand if it can happen in general and when it can happen and here we have an opportunity to talk with a journalist er radio svoboda e.e. siberia, the reality of dugar de ponte. she already lives outside of russia, and she investigates the

mood in siberia regarding the war in ukraine and will help us find answers to these questions, not just because we see how many buryats die in the war in ukraine and in principle they return in coffins to their motherland and mothers see this and see this society and it's interesting i found that buryats don't just sit around the houses er stands with a banner no wars and when there will be more of these people and will they somehow be able to influence the processes in russia, go out on the streets, don’t be silent, not one woman is just single , peeing and when they are, we know a lot of them, when will they start going out on the streets and it's real what is happening now in ukraine, uh, because of the death of people from your region, they are ready now for some kind of protest in order to, uh, raise some kind of

regional revolution, and uh, here is the example of buryatia and show all of russia that putin's government must be overthrown and this war must be stopped in this way. russia as a whole and russian society are chosen as unfortunately, this is part of russia, and for probably more than 20 years we have watched how democracy was destroyed, how democratic institutions were destroyed in russia and if, for example, in 1991, moscow, many cities of the soviet union went to the process against the communist party , then i think that in 1993 this was the last surge

of such a mass protest. i am not talking about 2012. this is nothing else. during this time, while putin is in power, a very bad move has happened , and because almost all independent mass media, starting with ntv, have been destroyed systematically and simply, well, it's getting worse every year ah, the civil society is for this, and i myself could have been sued about it in the first place people, so to speak, because i was such a representative of civil society in russia. and my friends and i resisted the destruction of the buryat regions, the autonomy of the buryat regions, during the program of the implantation of the regions, and we, so to speak, experienced repression

well, then they said it was even easier, let’s say repression , and then there were other moments when russia , for example, destroyed, let’s say, the teaching of compulsory languages ​​in russia. how did they deal with all those who disagreed? we are the product of three centuries of russification and that life. you want to say that liberal russians are now. no, they are not, even there are people who are fighting many people against their own to smoke, but in modern times, under the current conditions, it is possible to go out with a poster for any price. and to receive a real term in prison, people are simply afraid to do this, and i think that this is even a productive counter.

ah, not yours. there are no links to opposition telegram channels that sanctify this war and which say that this war is a crime . i think that exactly such partisan actions in today's russia make more sense. because if ... the more people they imprison or give a fine to everyone. how would the treasury of russia be replenished, and as a result, this is new to him. and how do they live in a storm now? and for them it was an achievement. this is how they brought a trophy from the war and they say that many buryats just sat at home for a long time, they could not realize it in russia, they had no chance to realize themselves, they were given such a chance to come to the kyiv region to see a washing machine and

bring it to what level of life in general there now and eh is this true and is there still a version that even though such a demographic washout should be done that there are a lot of men who are socially disadvantaged and have no future, so they it's good to wash so that you don't sweat the name of russia, although we don't understand that there might be washing machines in some place. i don't think that all these washing machines will go to waste . they went on about the region and so on, that is, first of all, the majority of contract workers who serve in the russian army are from villages, because in villages everywhere in russia, of course, the situation is deplorable , and the contract service is not an exception in this regard according to the contract, this is one of

there are few elevators that a young man from a small village has, but from cities, we know fewer guys who serve in the army, as if they connect their lives with the army. in silok where there is no water supply and sewerage, that is, it is simply absurd the central elevator that you said is deadly, aren't the buryats afraid of dying in ukraine, that's what happened there, that's where the first batch of russian military was simply deceived, they were told that they were going to after the training, many of them suddenly found out that they were actually going to ukraine. it was, as it were, such a bad surprise for everyone. as for those people who are going, i think that

i know for sure, but it’s just that m eh also as if i know that there are refuseniks and the second thing is that nothing is known about them now because especially those who returned from ukraine to belgorod there and eh here at the border regions i know that many they refused to return there, but later they once imported but that's already that's how it would be дрогой вопрос what are you talking about? i would like to say about demography. in many analysts, many analysts note that putin uses a disproportionate number of soldiers from non-russian regions, and especially this applies to such modest according to the estimates, there are about 5,000 buryat soldiers in ukraine, the population of

buryats in russia. the population of the buryats is ethnically, the buryat population does not exceed 500,000 people, that is, more than one percent of the total buryat population is at war, and the population of russians in russia is approximately 11 million, one percent of the russian population will make up, but er, 100 well, if there was a proportional ratio of soldiers, then it would mean that there should be 100 10 million russians in ukraine now. million 110

000 people, well, this is not happening. tell me, this is one of the figures, of course. yes , they are surprising. we did not know that such a proportion was. such a quiet protest because people are afraid to cry, that is, they receive funerals for their relatives every day and at the same time they continue to fear how many more beets will have to die in order for their families to stop being afraid, and this is why they put up posters and notes. is radical actions and is it even possible in this region ? germany was not defeated. i don't think there would be any mass

protest movement. you must realize that today's russia is a fascist state. this is a fact and it seems to me that as long as russia exists in the form in which it exists, it will always be a danger to all neighboring peoples and countries, and the only way out, it seems to me, is the victory of ukraine in this war. well, i am more than these words of ukraine, that's how uh, they outline our power there. yes, that's what we 're conquering our territory like that. that is, ukraine clearly declares that we don't need anything. we only need our own, this will be our victory . about the fact that someone is going there and will capture moscow, and no one is talking about this, not in ukraine, not in the world, yes

. on our land, but russia remains, there are still heavy ice the same who knows him, putin, the same henchmen, the same, the same soldiers, the same people who supported everything and what’s next, here’s how you see this construction of the world . we will give moscow to st. petersburg anywhere, but no one is talking about it. yes, that is, what to do in this case, because the country remains standing. it was the most beautiful state, a bunch of people, and what do i have? yes, it is unrealistic to expect that you will be such a scenario what was in the 45th year, but i think that if it is not the so-called military defeat of russia, then putin's regime will not survive, that is, in any case, this regime must fall and if, for example, it falls as

a result of some a-a a-a, that is, in such a situation when the regime that built eh here is this vertical of power across the whole country suddenly collapses, a situation arises uh well, there will be no chaos, and uh, it seems to me that there are some regions that will still want you to take advantage of this situation and uh, i think that this is uh- well, i think that the process of disintegration of russia should start, and then it can start in the beets, they can be drilled as a region. here you said , five million, we present that russia relaxes on separate microrespubliky or so on beets

if you say five million people of the population well , how many security forces are there who can suppress the uprising of people whose relatives are dying, well, in my understanding, there is probably no such force that could to stop 7 and people whose relatives are dying just like that in order to leave. how do you talk about starting some kind of regional uprising? now try to break away from this metropolis of moscow. well, first of all, we don't have 1 million in respublika менше всё бесплатно республики менеше млинны человек and er, you are a buryat, you make up about 30% of the population of the republic of buryats, therefore, er , i don't think so, and in general, you are buryat, er, such a subsidized region, and we have a kind of economic there is very little sustainability for that's why i don't think that it

should start precisely with buryatia. i think that it can start with such strong ones, and in an economic sense. the republics of the north caucasus can start a-and this is what you are talking about, i’m even talking about, and uh, let’s say purely russian regions, such as the urals, such as the present vostok, such as the siberian a-a region a-a, that is, there is also eastern questionable siberia, that is, in general in principle, even russia not monolithic, and even among the russians in different regions, there is separatism, there is a siberian separatist, for example, there is a copper from the donetsk luhansk region, 8 years old, russian propaganda talks about the fact that people have the right to self-determination , if people want their own republic, they have it

right yes and if suddenly your scenario goes into real development, you know, then the actual regime will become a hostage to its propaganda, because it turns out that it is not possible. after all, i think it does not apply. mythical self-determination returning to one's historical family, but not you, raja very interestingly began to talk about separatism in russia, where it exists in russia and how it manifests itself, if we honestly do not see, for example, what happened, there was such a movement of regionalists and, oh, and here are their leaders instead of sending them to siberia, instead of sending them to siberia, they were sent to the west. the russian empire's powers are here. well, that's what

he was saying. colony and uh, the situation is basically the same and remains the same as it was in tsarist times, as it was in soviet times, and now it is even worse because, uh, in soviet times, at least something was built. now it is only being looted and destroyed, there are no roads that would connect the regions, there is no normal air communication between different regions, that is, a ridiculously perfect situation when you come from yakutsk in order to get, for example, to magadan from yakutsk, it is cheaper for a person to buy a ticket to moscow and then, as it were, from iz moscow is flying to magadan than it is flying. sorry, there is a lot of talk about the fact that china is considering its rights to the territory beyond the urals. even nikita mikhalkov, remember

this, talked a lot about some flights and helicopters and the like that the urals can take over the urals for one one day, you may find yourself under the rule of china . how do you relate to this and how realistic is it from the point of view of this war, as if you were a specialist in, let's say, this geopolitics, but i noted, that is, i read, er, some article there it was said that the general situation is that china will suddenly attack russia and want to seize siberia - it is quite unrealistic at the moment china has enough problems with southern china and taiwan ah, and that's exactly what they need to establish, that's exactly in the pacific basin. as

for siberia and russia, they're already, as it were, colonizing siberia. that's how they use this method. forces and it is precisely necessary to introduce the army because we are already economic zavisim ot chinataya ochen a-a, let’s say so, and uh, in principle, that’s how i don’t think that china will suddenly want to take advantage of the situation and attack a-a sibyt, that is, it is possible to be such a quiet annexation, yes, it gradually integrates the economic, they will create the conditions when actually even this question will not even be raised, uh, all the inhabitants of siberia will consider themselves chinese, they will be assimilated there, the chinese are integrated more into the chinese economy, i understand correctly, i don’t even really stand

the point is that siberia is very sparsely populated compared to china. and if the resettlement of the chinese begins, all the more, in principle, it is quite possible. what can you do next ? to ukraine and they are asking us to prove something here and to show what kind of warriors they are, and it doesn't stick in their head, as they say, it just doesn't stick in their head that a person who is not yet fully russian himself understands that he is bringing russian peace to ukraine. so brainwash what was needed to promise them so that they came here and brought russian peace i still want to return to the ukrainian language, what about the little posters that raja told us about? i think that the russian rebellion is

shaking and on march 3, the first molotov cocktail flew at the voronezh military commissar . a week later, the military commissariat of the sverdlovsk region caught fire, then we have more than a dozen such local fires , military commissariats in various regions are trying to burn documents in military records and this cannot help but cause difficulties with the unit. at the same time, explosions began at military warehouses and oil depots, and during the past few months they were localized in several e-e border regions with ukraine, in belgorod, kursk, we even in ukraine invented a special term for cotton for their weak official explanations in the sense that they report about numerous quotes and now the infrastructure in the composition of the warehouse and explosives and begin to explode all over russia that it is ukrainian subversive groups working or russian partisans? what do you think? well, i would like to say that the explosion of russian oil tanks near the border with ukraine, which we have seen and heard about, so that for russia,

for the russian federation, this is a drop in the ocean. there are 18 large oil fields with ukraine and 15 of them belong to growth in those and in total there are 500 oil fields in russia and only two of them near the border with ukraine were burning, this is an incredible number and one of the oil fields located near the border with ukraine with the donetsk region is the oil base that belongs to the wife of viktor medvedchuk - ukrainian tv presenter oksana marchenko in novy shakhtynsk, because mrs. oksana is not only a talented crybaby. and she is also an oil tycoon , let's not forget this. here are these anti-war rallies, how effective are they if they consider uh, not regional protests? well , protests in moscow protests in st. petersburg can they

influence the situation and uh, they are strong, well, if do you remember, uh, there were very many rallies in moscow and st. petersburg at the very beginning of the war, and then when these new criminal articles were introduced for the discrediting of the army and the fakes, that is, up to 15 years ago, uh, these mass protests stopped, you can say that uh, now people are being taken even for single pickets, uh, with empty sheets of paper, and i don't think that these protests, that is, they definitely played a big role, because they showed that a very large number of people in russia are against this war, that 's they wanted to stop that a lot of people want this war to be stopped, but now this is the case with the

introduction of draconian measures and these protests have practically stopped. kirill martynov, the editor-in-chief of novaya gazeta evropy, has already appeared on the network. we were very much looking forward to his inclusion and we add him to our broadcast good evening kirill and hello thank you for the big membership, our firs have turned on kirill here we are discussing anti-war movements in russia, that's only what rozhan dugarova from radio liberty said about her reality that we are building ourselves in ukraine here are illusions regarding the fact that protests in russia are possible because the russian society is so inert that it is simply not capable now, even in the conditions of the death of ten thousand russians, to go to that protest that will be able to bring down the government putin, that's what you think, so the question is, how do you

see the anti-war movement in russia today ? that's completely understandable, because it's obvious that this was such a point that determined, among other things, the current course of history in russia. it was not in the plan that uh, the demand of the muscovites of the protiv waltz against uh, the nesterskih elections and asking everyone completely from the side, they didn’t end up with anything. i guess my experiments were shortcoming . it would not have been. yes, it was not possible to do it. unfortunately, a-a when ukraine established a--a standard speech for each of the european--a-democracies, a-- russia degraded a-a russia degraded exactly how the public structure how some system a-a russians are used to being political russians are used to it

because the state forgets about everything and at some critical moment the best case will give you 10,000 rubles a-a and now the critical, important, critical problems seem to me to be included in the fact that 78 of the russian economy is on transfer you can imagine things related to the state. yes, what do people have? well, their families directly envy the extent to which they are loyal to the state. такой all - pervading destroying poisoning state this is what you need to know about modern russia. began to hope for a mass protest as a source of some kind of change, and not in russia there is an anti-war

protest in russia, people, uh, well, there can be a lot of people, as they are belikons, so i will go to prison for fighting the war, so that many russians will continue to work er, hundreds of journalists have left the country, er, they have left the country because our profession is simply prohibited in russia. i know a large number of optimists who risk a lot of second -guessing, er, russians are prejudiced, but this is all very different from a mass protest. - and i think that now we need to think about how in russia to help the forces that feel themselves. well, for us russians, of course, and those that are more or less there, well, security and ukrainians need to think about ukraine, you understand, and we need to think about how how to help people who feel lonely in this state. there are millions of such people, but they are terribly divided. i don't care what they hope for, it's not important, and they think that they

are closed in this, locked in this putin's russia and nothing. nothing good will happen in your life. it 's not like that, you know, because that's the way it is, even that is, god. when there was a swampy poltava in russia, maidan, and there was an arab spring, the so-called arab spring, and there were protesters who didn't do anything, for example , they started simply with their own thoughts as a brake who came out of his bench and said that he could no longer live like this and after that he burned alive, and uh , this kind of coach can change public sentiment very much, even in such a way. that's what you said now. well, everything says that there is no smartphone, there is no spare part for it, not a phone, but there is a state in russia, and that's it. this is primitive behavior that dominates primitive behavior and organization. organizations for progress, there is no smart phone and the standard of living

will be slowly bitten by the fact that some countries are too fast and already in their history well, they saw everything there, even the heat was not in cuba what is there, uh, here are these old american cars from the 50s how did they bring it there, so they drive there and remain the main prestigious transport, well, it’s all stretched out, similar to the situation of the decade, and the war must be stopped, er , faster, that is, we would once be on the right side of the war and in this er degradation is everything the main organization of russia is connected with the fact that people , ah, people, you know, live each for himself, you have nothing in common with plants, and in russia these are guys who, uh, went to kill , uh, uh, uh, play construction equipment in ukraine, they actually survive how can eh well, i can justify naturally yes but but they are the beginning of tearing themselves at least some

piece, that is, they know what is there and yes i also have to clean up somewhere so where can i steal from me there is no one with me and the company but i would like to talk about you washing machine what is there they are something they are they played it, it’s not scoring on its own. well, because it’s not a country again, it’s social progress, and we ’re using it as an example of ukraine. that’s temporary, it’s very strong for 8 hours. m of the year and in the 17th ah and i saw how the country is changing, that is, you, i see how it changed today, that war, optimization, when you are on your own, yes, and according to progress, when you know what solidarity is, and europeans know что такое солидарность россияние russians forgot i was me i think that i think that there will be some whole seconds of the approach of the participation of the russian society , which, even with the border, turned out to be all that remains in the country in the direction of the search after all, it is in solidarity