although it's easy to tear myself at least a piece, that is, they know that there and they steal a lot from me, yes, i also owe ukrainians somewhere. and where can i steal from me ? they played something, they played it, it’s a takayazatsiya, when because it’s not a country of social progress, and we ’re a ghost and an example of modern ukraine, it’s very strong . year and in the 17th a-a and i saw how uh-uh how the country is menyaetsya, that is, you, i see how she has changed today, that war will be refused when you are there for yourself, yes, and according to progress, when you know what solidarity is , and europeans know what solidarity is, russians, russians have forgotten i was, i think that i think that there will be someone the law of closeness to the participation of the russian society , which, even with the border, turned out to be all that remains in the country in the direction of the search, this solidarity is a form of overcoming people, and it

is impossible to stay level-headed, as usual, not to be supported by the fines, here you will simply be obeyed yes it turns out that the most formidable country is a lot of territory on the world map. it’s incredible. and all these people turned out to be hostages of one person. we’re talking about putin. well , that’s what we’re talking about. it turns out that if tomorrow, for example, putin disappears, putin disappears, and putin’s analogy appears. there are two putins. therefore, the dictionary is absolutely all the system remains, and here is the main question for the person who replaces putin. here is an ideal design that will work exclusively for me, why me ? they are changing something, okay, people, no one asks them anything, uh, it seems to me that what happened is a story about how russians have not been

interested in politics for a long time, that is, in the essence of life in their country, it has turned out to be something you know for so long interestingly, it is not important, and we have had elections for years, but some democratic activists fought with it, there were very few throughout the country, and the rest were engaged in building and raising children, yes, they taught a lot. well , it was like ordinary life and then everything politics was delegated to the head of one person. that day he sat in this coronavirus loneliness and decided to commit insanity and there was no one to restore him. and the problem with me is the country with putin, and with the other country it’s not in him at all. because i don’t speak to the article about hostage-taking, i just think that er, well, i understand that er, it is difficult not to dehumanize russians in these situations . что россияне и

they are not putin's hostages and they are not the slobbers, they are people who agreed to the fact that their country does not belong to them, and you know the main problems of russia. as it seems to me, last year there was still everything all the social inequality when you go around moscow with such a person, you know, there is such a talkative type of taxi driver and when you go to moscow, i am so rude, so everyone starts telling you that they are robbing you very much, and you agree, and then he says but if i were i was in the kremlin, i would have killed them taught me how to steal correctly, here is the program, i would show you how to do it. what is strong leadership, that is, every taxi sport wants to be putin because it is? well, putin also recently said that he would also be a taxi driver once. enterprises when people feel social injustice and i think they decided to sell war in ukraine with this feeling of an unjust country and look for the super corrupt present

justice there i've already started talking about the fact that, well, not everything is so clear-cut, that is, military enlistment offices are also on fire in russia , and oil depots are burning, and ammunition depots are beginning to be blown up somehow by themselves. in your opinion, this is the handiwork of local partisans, or is it still working, uh, some ukrainian special services, ah, welcome now, any event due to an accident in russia is considered a diversion, uh, and this rather indicates that people are waiting for uh- well, after all, there is such a serious concern, here are all the polls the fact that everyone supports putin in russia, yes, they had several levels of stratification, eh, and for example, the same people who

seem to support the president. you seem to be everything is normal, no one is bombing you. and you have been the president for three years and at the same time you feel because there is some kind of existential experience. it seems to me that many people have something that went wrong, they may not be able to to formulate it and maybe even believe that putin will solve everything for them, but they still feel that something is wrong, and that's why any fire there, i don't know, is a burner of progress under moscow and seriously created that it's not a version, it could be not a version in theory yes, but it also can be the usual negligence and just people, people are more than the mayor, nothing than we usually do, you can be an informant in your own story, really , he has already served for the company, nine military enlistment offices have been asked to set fire to us recently, and -and it seems to me that it is a simple stationarity if these actions make people think that if a woman goes to the military enlistment office, it is possible for me to serve in the army. and this shows a part of the part. well, it’s just a mood for those who are eh, that’s just

closer. from the draft telests and people think, what are they for such in the image of the soot, he will at the same time express perhaps his attitude to what is happening, but not the ukrainian version, everyone is waiting for the version really yes, that's what you understand, so that there would be peace takaya takaya er takoy devyatoy mai, here was kirill, we are here very much i console myself with hopes that when the number of killed russian soldiers on the territory of ukraine crosses some damn border and the volume is unimaginable, it can lead to some kind of explosion inside russia. from the side of mothers, wives, children, relatives, and just friends of those who died thoughtlessly and without a word in this war, and we hoped that when this figure would exceed the number of deaths in chechnya, the number of deaths in

afghanistan, but the number is already around 30,000 we see that nothing like this happens if this threshold of sensitivity of the killed russian soldiers, which can lead society to wild indignation, and no longer fearing anyone, people will go out into the streets and stop this war. focused on some, you know, rather ugly, unfortunate story that will happen well, here is something like how it was in tunisia, yes, some other scenario, but some coach, yes , numbers can work here, too, in this context must because they, uh, completely increasing the number of possible such triggers that are extremely unpleasant for russian properties questions because, uh, because what the russian

government is doing now, and even very, uh, it is not at war with people who can be outraged, well , the poorest, most uneducated layers of people living in distant regions of russia are going to war. as a rule, in some russian er regions of central russia poor er from the national republics and pro-profes for a large number from dagestan from beets from other similar places and these people are so that they can’t protest in the davista they were just a few years ago big protests about the border of chechnya, chechnya, eh, other things, eh, but eh , the russian government, in general, knows how to segment these people and make them like it, everything is important so that the big cities of russia, the russian cities, the capitals, they remain visible, eh, normal they are life ready-made meat will be drawn from the regions and sent to war, unfortunately, it can last a long time, and uh , this is also part of this, it does not

play. here is the cynicism and incredible injustice that simply exists in russia, even probably during the war in afghanistan, if you look at the social composition when the contingent in this war, after all, the soviet union was not as snobbish in society as we are in the private part of russia. big apologies for this businessman, their activity is tied to the state. well, yes, or nacha. yes, seriously, but still. here we observe the example of roman abramovich. he was one of the first when he promised to sell his football club. he directly said that we will send the proceeds to the rehabilitation of people who suffered from wars in ukraine yes, despite the fact that the state of russia is talking about a special operation, bramovich was one of the first representatives, let's call it the word elite, who directly called the word war. could you write this state

of the economy in general, there are many problems, many questions, names that someone might know, this is the role of the economic elite. it seems that, on the contrary, the sanctions formed putin's economic union because they realized that the only place where they can now earn money in the world is russia, where they can't have money russia is wasting it. the common titanic, depending on putin, has only strengthened, so they all want to be even more pleasing to the tsar, that’s cyril. the theory of the other side, roman abramovich’s position, does not fit into this public picture . how is the situation possible , given that he, as his last time, his time, this is public

diplomacy . can communicate across the front line, one of the few. but what happened next is not clear . i think that it is not strange that there is no such direct contradiction . with their assets, on the other hand , the same large business and medium - sized business, by and large, understand that if they, well, let's say, i have a large business, there are some personally that there is no yaza, i don't know well that part of the russian academic unit, which used to be called systemic liberals, but it's like a nabiulennoy there and so on. and i perfectly understand that they cannot be. to justify, but they , uh, they think so, if they now leave their post, you will serve against the war and go to

another country. so listen, what i did will just be sad. to all those who stayed with you, introduce yourself to you there, i know a thousand sotroniks, uh, in the central bank, so that his quarter goes out to your deputy, he begins, er, asking, maybe even more. it's just these mechanisms that vladimir putin effectively uses in order to achieve that uh, well, absolutely slovak loyalty, which we saw even at the so-called session itself, this is the security that why did you show to the russians on tv and in the whole world, ah, well, not a war. well, it’s clear. why should everyone be tied there ? and even here, you can understand that one of the differences between russia and ukraine that happened there in the last

decade of the decade is that that in russia, in the ukrainian sense of the word, there are no oligarchs, not oligarchs. how many people will not be independent from one country, even surrounded by pictures and such a flair, even more so if akhmetov remembers. yes, these are the people, they are gradually all the people who have assets in russia are now under control. there are no more assets in russia. therefore, a free man can speak to any kind of person. yes, he won’t get anything for it in the first place. it is possible to visit in person, but uh, all large and medium-sized businesses as a whole, how do we control the a-a russian state, in fact, such hegemony, the construction of which was completed by this war, from this question, we raised in the last question a possible rebellion about a social surge in the russian state here is the key to such a variant. yes, a conditional leader may appear in some kind of

rebellion . at least well-known candidates in ukraine, lists, etc. well, bon without a leader - it will be a chaotic mess that will quickly fade away. a very difficult person. i also changed my attitude in the course of my life. in this situation, he completely unconditionally supported ukraine, and it seems to me that he does it in honor because, well, he was there then and was known for some kind of nationalist and colonial statements. i hope that at least as a matter of fact i don't know what kind of person it turned out to be. politics, we are the president. well, how often is he the person? how is it possible that he is a

symbol and a position if not? at what level they don't exist in russia well, that is, putin specially built a political space around himself in such a way that these leaders just played not by chance well, no one can replace him, these are the parks of the zhirinovsky e-e lpr so- called yes that are still soviet in 89 the union was created then, the first political forces in ukraine emerged in the course of perestroika, it’s just that no one can replace him, that is, he is such a single person. you are so stupid that putin is ready to tolerate it. if you don’t pass even a little bit, the system starts to squeeze you out at every level. it is important

for putin to support people around him personally. revolt and we discuss a lot among our colleagues and publish a lot of interceptions of negotiations of russian soldiers that they do not want to fight, their relatives advise deserting a large number of killed officers and generals on the territory of ukraine of the russian army is it possible to turn some military units in the opposite direction and rethink their role in this war? oh, and such a scenario is possible, or putin has neutralized everyone in this question and even turned the leadership of the russian army into cannon fodder and crazy people. yes, you know, i am probably a

pessimist for a few minutes on this question, because we have in my eyes, a similar scenario in connection with the protests in hong kong, when initially well, all the protest leaders were transplanted there, of course, there was no hong kong army, yes, and gradual people must have long resisted the regime with such a word, but in the end, it seems that the resistance was layered, including because it was leaderless, it relied on some network communications, we did not give russia even in this hong kong scenario, maybe the russian federation is not as strong and not as effective as modern china, but unfortunately yes it becomes clear that, in general, freedom is quite a right-wing thing, in what way do they correspond to ukraine, first of all, now it needs to be protected, and in principle, no one guarantees that victory will be the year, it shows that it is possible to simply lose freedom, and apparently it is there for the taking in the future, they will simply be brought back, and i did not really believe in my operation, because it seems to me that if

they had such opportunities and a serious plan, although i am sure that they discussed it, and we have already seen some separate units that they would not be grateful let's mean er tell was to fill in the orders, so the script is possible, i don't have information on it, it's reliable, but maybe that's why the script was sent to belarus, they were in that state, yes when they are these putin's orders well, in principle, with some kind of image we did not accept our account and did not become short participants in a foreign war, although unfortunately, of course , rocket fire and everything else about what lukashenko is helping the russian army is also complicity in this crime. if you allow, 30 more seconds, i will add myself here. i did not talk to ukrainian journalists about this. well, i talked about some ukrainian programs. but there was no such meaningful conversation with good ones. yes, i am very grateful to you for your work and for the fact that, in

principle, we do not watch them. what can we talk about? we probably don't do enough for the world and for ukraine, but we try . on russian shows, which are actually harbingers of some of putin's actions about the fact that russia is preparing for war with nato. - and you know, i'll answer here. i'll probably be a moderate optimist. i agree with the fact that propaganda is testing the russians. and you're not ready. are they going to die in a nuclear war? and it seems that the answer is no. the enthusiasm of the russians about the war, all the questions

show that it seems that the russians are not against the war , they are not against putin, but the queues for the military enlistment offices and with volunteerism are not lined up. so what is this, uh, the russian actually owns parcels, well, it’s just not meat from donbass, which has already ended. it ’s becoming a tragedy, in fact, while they were these people, they were simply out of apartments and sent to die, and they were not prepared for those things. ago this is necessary, this is what no one understood, the most disenfranchised people in this war, of course, this is not the occupation of donetsk and luhansk, and i don’t see the rossistent together like that, but the question is, repeat the fate of these people. what is this on any kind of way that it can pass? hidden mobilization of the furnace, the threat of santa with a-a, the sending to the front of

certain military specialties, which are not enough in russia, it is possible that there will be thunderstorms, too, well, or there, i don’t know. with the help of some kind of experiment a-a mass mobilization seems to me to be sex correctly and quickly because it's english, how much are they, how much are they, uh, serials and scary, how much they are actually not intuitive and can't control uh , tens of millions of people. we saw how uh, russians did not comply with the requirements related to the exprenovirus, eh, especially outside of moscow, and i think that the killings will happen, and corruption will win. имеем вы будет производите, er, some picture of the world formed by you as a person who, er, is engaged in this uh, daily mode. thank you for the big membership, but you missed an important detail that i would change the governors of russia, and it is interesting that the details were

mixed up in tomsk when he said hello, i said your number, the governor said tyumen, tyumen governorate, he confused even the region, and i still think it is connected with the war in ukraine, that some governors could be preparing something and were not in agreement with the policy, the military policy regarding ukraine, these who were resigning, they were all like one head, but then clarified that their governors are formally elected in elections, like they are hemized, so it's not putin who appointed him like that, and it's that the representative of the people . :3 i saw that they stated that despite the fact that the gubernatorial elections are in the fall, they will not embroider their candidacies, you know, for a person whose life is connected to the economy, the world, well- being is connected to the state streams, then bam and declares that she will not run for office very much too such an interesting signal for a series, we can make a

video for this part of our broadcast at the beginning of our broadcast. what did we talk about? russian society is not ready, and both of our speakers, rajhanduvarov and kirill martynov, they say that it is possible, a rebellion is possible, but for now, it seems to me that it is fashionable to be such a pessimist in russia, and both of our speakers are they said that i am a pessimist on this issue, but i am sure that we should look at this whole story with optimism. i was struck by kirill's phrase that every taxi driver in russia dreams of becoming putin. that russians live in the country realizing that it does not belong to them is the possibility that people understand so you are superfluous on this well, i apologize, you know, every

ukrainian knows that he lives in his own country, and every russian knows that he lives on the territory of which he governs positively, they shifted the responsibility to the state, let them decide, let everyone think it is possible to live a person will live exactly this phrase that everyone dreams of becoming putin, because we see, we are horrified that such a person exists, yes, we sincerely wish him death, we wish him to stop ruling a neighboring country, and in this country, everyone dreams of becoming like you. look, what kind of people are you ? what is murmansk and what is the palace of gelendzhik? of course you can understand that person what he wants is in fact friends the verdict in this system uh and we will come back and we will finish this part of the broadcast and we will come back in a few minutes and talk about the second world war i am sure that you will also be interested to hear how it started and what is common between the actions of putin today and the actions of stalin. in 39-41, we will meet

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