for ukraine, this is not only external recognition, it is also a good incentive for internal transformations, who remembers the visa-free issue, knows how everyone worked in a coordinated manner so that you are there 148 or how many tasks to complete well, there will be thousands but this will be a clear road map for every ministry of ukraine breaking news this morning due to the atrocities of the russians in ukraine the senate of the united states of america is preparing a new law on war crimes , the publication from the new york times writes about this and connects the appearance of this bill with the actions of the russian occupiers against the civilian population against ukrainians and the discovery of mass graves in parts of ukraine that are freed from the occupiers that were previously under the occupation of russian troops and where terrible crimes are being discovered that line up the whole

world. previously, the canadian parliament passed a resolution declaring the crime of the russian military in ukraine to be genocide. well, we see how is the work going on in this direction, how are the baltic countries making such decisions, how are our neighbors making such decisions, poland, and how are a significant number of countries already sent its investigators and its prosecutors to fix for the investigation of the crimes of the russian army in ukraine, however, how do you look at the real prospects of bringing the russian federation and individual war criminals, specific executors of those who gave orders, those who carried them out, to responsibility for crimes in ukraine, this should be a process of only 21 century but when will we see it in action eh it will depend on eh on the

hostilities how much eh at the end ukraine and allies will be able to dictate the rules so what does that mean it's simple. of course, russian war criminals and their patrons will not voluntarily report to ukrainian justice. when they are captured, as we can already see, especially odious people can rebel before the ukrainian court. we already had the first example of such a thing. so there is no of the international legal definition, he once said that international law exists, but there is no international police force that would clearly implement it in life, thereby all of ukraine's advantage from military actions can be determined as far as it will be possible to attract all the non -captives, the directory is clear, thank you very much, er,

we included roman vashchuk, and er, who was in his own ukraine, in ukraine, actually in canada and is also currently working as a businessman-busman, and with the ukrainian government, where there are consultations. thank you very much thank you thank you for this and er honest conversation and one of the few probably er probably because he is of ukrainian origin he by the way he was there in plast as far as i know in plast and very, very kept this connection he is very much alone with ukraine from those who understood and studied ukraine very well. he has a report like this. there was a lecture like that. it was called er, that is, the top 10 mistakes of western reforms in ukraine from 14-19 years and this is a very honest report. why did it go there? not so not so well, although he is called such a golden period of reforms, in fact, in the 16th year, quite a lot was managed to

do a lot, and it seems to me that he, like no other western diplomat, understood ukraine very well. different, it is not uniform and ukrainians very often do not understand their own country. the same applies to the power to power very often god did not understand even here with that with that gasoline, that is, what to say that the fixation of a valuable case when there is a shortage of fuel, well, this is a hundred percent disappearance, simply then, simply of this product . so much the basics of economics that it's just not impossible, that is, if you can't understand and predict it well, you definitely shouldn't be either a minister or the head of the parliamentary committee on economics well, it's just the basics of economics, everyone understands it in principle, but they have their own some politicians well, yes, of course, there are political calculations, this is a more complicated issue. of course , the rise in gasoline prices will have to be allowed

by the president to rise in prices, for example, for food products , for sure, and so on and so on, well, that's all, that's all the rest, and in the meantime, we see fresh the news that volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, will today hold a conversation with the leaders of germany and france, olaf scholz and evangel macron, by the end of the week, international partners must make important decisions regarding financial support of ukraine and we are talking about this right now with the following guests of our broadcast, this is yuliya osmolovska, head of the center for transatlantic dialogue. greetings, mrs. yuliya. good day, and also viktor shlitsak, head of the board of the institute of world politics, congratulations, mr. viktor. well, let's start with this actual news, that is, today's conversation of volodymyr zelenskyi with german chancellor olaf scholz and french president emmanuel macron, which was told by the deputy

head of the president's office andriy sibiga on the air informational telethon, important conversations are planned on the initiative of partners and these conversations should take place during the day, and the week should come under the sign of significant financial events from the point of view of decision-making by partners and international organizations regarding ukraine, and we understand that we have a budget deficit of 5 billion dollars and partners understand and think about how to support our economy. so ms. julia, let's start with you, what to expect from these conversations, how important they are and, nevertheless, what will be the effect, i ask you word well, here i would single out several priorities precisely in conversations with our partners from france and germany and taking into account the fact that the initiative, as you said, came from our partners, so uh here maybe they will just start with pleasant

news let's say yes about the readiness to expand its funding and assistance precisely at the national level and within the framework of the european union, however, what worries ukraine more and me personally is precisely those rather controversial statements regarding the prospects of ukraine receiving the status of a candidate for membership, which we know, was also announced by the leader of france and the leader of germany regarding the fact that now is not the time. let's say that some surrogate options are proposed instead, such as some other amorphous union of countries around europe on the european continent that are not members of the european union but share it i would like the ukrainian side to concentrate more on these geopolitical issues that we should be concerned about right now. let's listen to mr. shlinchak again.

before we move on to the subject of sanctions, we will also talk a lot about the sixth package and in what form and when to expect it. among other things, the european union also announced the seventh show of the sanction, which must be approved. and its development will begin soon after the sixth package. the prime minister of estonia, who called on western leaders to stop calling the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, and in her opinion, there is no sense in these conversations and says that if we want to convey a message about isolation there is no need to call the kremlin dictator. well, there is no sense in this, viktor, what do you think about this, and do we really see any signs of the fact that er, um, this is the understanding of western leaders, in particular, the leaders of germany and france er-er hmm the politics of the criminal russian federation. it is

really changing, do they really continue to believe that diplomacy can stop cannibals, and will there be phone conversations about this after today, or will the conversation only be about money? to answer briefly, the first story is a story about the internal situation in these two countries, it is clear that the very large russian lobby continues to work and continues to lose the money that russia is able to spend on its propaganda, even the events that took place on may 9 in berlin they showed that the pro-russian lobby is still quite strong, that is why the leadership of these

countries is trying to balance with those people who, one way or another, may not be in the majority, but still there is a percentage of people who oriented towards russia believes that russia is such a world repair and it should continue to conduct a dialogue with it, and here i just agree with the leadership of the baltic countries and this is not only by the way, the leadership of estonia stated that it is enough to enter these permanent negotiations but while we have lost contact with viktor shlyunchuk, i will only say what this president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said, who recently gave a detailed interview to the italian tv channel rai and commented in particular on politics and macron, and i think he also meant olaf

scholtz, who regularly conducts many hours of negotiations with putin and expressed the hope that they will actually move away from this and these diplomatic ones, and as our president said, they say that nazi germany and hitler actually became the result of the appeasement policy of europe, which the west was conducting now and in relation to putin already in the 21st century century since 2014, when russia annexed crimea, it is difficult not to agree with the president of ukraine, viktor, so what is next, and will there be changes in this policy? about the president of the aggressor country, the question is because the year 2014, as they show, never taught me anything. do you remember when i started in 2014? the so-called annexation of crimea and the seizure

of a part of donbas . - what was his relationship with putin, he was not accepted in normal companies, he was pushed out at manivka, that is , the de-factor then localized him, then a certain time passed, and again the economy began to dictate the rules, and it just fell into such a dissonance between by what the europeans said, because they very often said that european values ​​should be chosen primarily in terms of capacity and price, and they began to embrace putin again, they began to hold dialogues with him again, and you remember how it all ended, it ended with the fact that putin simply realized that he can

play with these leaders using his economic mechanisms and i think that the kremlin also thinks that this time will pass. what about putin now for a certain period there is no time will be accepted in companies but later but later excuse me something er complete the idea of ​​money but then again he is in a normal er in a normal company with normal world leaders and not like now with odkb he has already created his own and uh, i think that it is precisely this that worries him very much when they begin to locate him from

uh, the entire civilized world, and these calls, they just help him make sure that everything is going according to plan, and it seems to me that uh, mr. scholz and mr. macron i should have had such contact a long time ago because they really did not lead to anything good so far. well, today we have good news, the calls are not going to the kremlin, but directly to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi, and i hope that this will be the case in the future. estonia and the estonian president or the president, what is it really for, to give to putin, this is to feed his ego, i don’t know, unfortunately, it’s not like that, we’re already talking about about about putin, i’m just here for that the moment that macron offered ukraine to cede

sovereignty, that putin saved face, these are zelenskyi's words. and this is not such news anymore, and we all understand that one way or another everyone is talking about it on every airwave today. who or what, the fate of the war is being decided now in the battle for donbass. we have entered this the battle, but it will not necessarily end with the defeat of moscow, but with such a defeat that i don't know that ukrainian tanks will enter red square, and we probably don't really need it, and if and if at some point in ukraine, that is, whether in ukraine in principle, any ceasefire is beneficial. yes. at the moment, it is obvious that we will be pushed towards this closer to the fall, when the problems with food in the world and europe and with the supply of fuel will certainly begin. some kind of compromise is acceptable for ukraine, and how should we

counter the pressure, which will obviously only grow, and maybe the country will still be forced to some kind of compromise already with putin, not putin already to a compromise with ukraine, but on the contrary that there is no point in negotiating with the russian side now, because even on such a first urgent issue as a cease-fire, the russian position is unequivocally denying it. literally the last statement regarding the proposals of the united states, the russian side said that we in no way accept any such parameters of a possible agreement and above all as for the ceasefire well, then what to talk about at all, the question arises, accordingly, now there are two positions regarding our allies, our allies have two positions regarding how ukraine should act and a position closer to us

of the united states and britain that ukraine should restore control over its territories within the 1991 year and, in principle, now and the dynamics that are taking place on the battlefield, it speaks of the tendency that it can, in principle, it is absolutely realistic if we see the realization of this langley in action and the accumulation of the arrival of new equipment, that is, this balance will grow, and there really is another camp that you are talking about, the leaders of which are schulz and macron, primarily because they have this naivety to hope that something can be persuaded the president of the russian federation and then i did not understand this at all as a requirement to sit down at the negotiating table with putin while his troops are on ukrainian territory, that is, you can talk to him, you can talk about the fact that ukraine will not continue to implement its, let's

say, some russian military facilities about which, by the way, the united states and britain say that they would understand this position of ukraine, but something opposes it. okay, we can not discuss this issue now, but at least recover control over our sovereign territories, we have this right, and only sprinkle after that we can talk about some kind of peace agreement with some parameters with the russian federation, thank you, thank you , including crimea . at this stage, because we do not understand what kind of nuclear weapons there already are, but our partners in britain and the united states are even talking about crimea, i do not rule out that based on the availability of the intelligence data that even our partners have, we will be able to, in principle evaluate realistically all the possibilities of the military force . let’s say that the return of the territory, including, in addition to the official control of the army, in principle, there is the experience

of the return of the occupied crimea, i am now talking about the second winter campaign, when the troops of the ukrainian people's republic really carried out a brilliant operation and were able to safely reach sevastopol and they even outstripped the germans who helped then, but i am also still a little skeptical because i understand that in reality it will be extremely difficult to implement it now, since crimea is very heavily packed now by russian weapons by the russian army yes and if we allow just one short comment right here we 30 seconds please get ready right here all factors and sanctions are at play including the situation that is happening inside russia surrounded by putin thank you ms. yulia and mr. viktor unfortunately we don't have much time, just a few minutes, but still, do you want to listen to your

comment on the prospects for the adoption of the sixth package of sanctions against russia, let me remind you that this is about the oil embargo that hungary is blocking which foreign affairs minister of germany and not lena berkbock in brussels said that several days are needed for this package of sanctions to be coordinated, we see that the internal struggle within the european union is going on, your forecast and to be very brief, i think that this package will really be applied hungary is currently conducting a lot negotiations and i think that she is just bargaining in the future to help her avoid some economic problems, this is to say briefly, but you predict that the sixth package will be approved with an oil embargo, so thank you, let's clarify what

budapest wants to import 700-750 million euros of russian crude oil in hungary , and petro siyat said that well, we are very dependent on energy carriers from russia, so that is the price of the question. well, thank you to our expert, the honesty of hungarians in this matter is actually quite cynical but but but practically approach this side of the war yulia of the transatlantic dialogue center and viktor shlyanchak, head of the board of the institute of world politics, were in touch with us and right now we have the following inclusion also extremely important, deputy director of the center for middle eastern studies, serhiy danilov, is in touch with us. congratulations to serhiy. congratulations. let's try to comment on all the latest news from turkey, namely , actually, we see how the president of turkey

, recep tayyip erdogan, is currently blocking entry to finland and sweden in nato, your forecast, what is also happening, i would like to understand and what is connected with this position of erdoğan. can this story end, and is there a threat to euro-atlantic unity ? the turkish veto on finland's entry into sweden will not be negotiated for eh to fulfill his wishes and listen to him before he sees interaction with scandinavian countries in particular and their influence on opposition movements and sweden finland has become a refuge for people whom kardaghan

considers personal enemies such how are the people from the külen network whom he accuses of not organizing the massacre, secondly, all the scandinavian countries place a special emphasis on human rights and on the violations of human rights that take place in turkey, the turkish communities in these countries are actively opposing authoritarian practices , which, let's be frank, are at least partially inherent in erdogan, and he wants more influence on the politics of these countries in relation to this opposition

environment, but he will not be the person and turkey will not be the country that will stop such spices of finland to us well, actually, explain this thesis. do we understand correctly that turkey remains such a natural enemy of russia of the russian federation, then i didn't tell you that uhu they are at the same time very close partners on many important strategic projects. in addition, both countries are united by a fairly massive anti-americanism, massive in sensation, widespread in the media and massive in its support among the citizens of these countries in the turkish media and among turkish citizens, the idea that this is the war of the united states against russia and poor ukraine has suffered as

a result of wrong actions or even criminal actions of america quite common mr. serhiu difficult issue we will raise with you now and a little time in we still have time to discuss it, but there is a little time, e-evacuation, extraction of our fighters e-e defenders from azovstal from mariupol, we know that such an evacuation took place in part tonight, it is known that 58 e seriously wounded fighters and about e-e 211- and e-e were additionally taken out through humanitarian corridors from azovstals as a result of diplomatic efforts and this was reported by the ministry of defense of ukraine and intelligence.

these fighters went by bus through rubber corridors to temporarily occupied territories so that the next step is important, namely their movement to the territory controlled by ukraine and the actual exchange of russian war criminals for prisoners of war, which make up our exchange fund, the fund, however, we know that there were fighters in azovstal. all that is about half because according to various estimates, it was about 600 soldiers who were in the premises of the azov steel and put up a desperate resistance to the enigmas, we know that the other day the wife's family and matters of the defenders of mariupol they appealed to the

world leaders, namely to the president of china sidzempin and also flew to istanbul in order to ask the president of turkey recep and her perdogan to intervene in this situation to join diplomatic efforts to influence vladimir putin and release our defenders from azovstal how optimistic are you look at this way of the fact that the leaders of china and turkey can influence putin , they have such tools, and maybe they are already influencing, and this is what we actually see. during this extraction, which your opinion started happening tonight. i believe that neither china nor turkey have any instruments of influence, the only instrument of influence is the deterioration of the condition of the russian army and the russian er position on the world stage. the worse the situation

at the front, the er the worse the evaluation what is the state of russia, how many reserves does it have, the more consolidated the world and, first of all, the west and europe against russian aggression, the more important it will be for russia to maintain at least some relations with anchorage and beijing, and accordingly they will have the chances of some actions in the value of the countries that maintain relations with russia and when it is in a state that is growing for moscow does not mean that they will listen because everything depends on self-esteem to what extent putin and his closest

posipaks themselves understand in what bad state how much they adequately assess the situation, mr. serhiu. that is, you think i will clarify that even the chinese leadership's call, which we remember with the information of the world media, asked vladimir putin to move the date of the invasion of ukraine through the fact that it actually could have overlapped with the important for him the olympics in e.e. from china so he allegedly asked to postpone this date and allegedly putin agreed , that is.

sisinpin has no influence on the president of the aggressor country and wait again, you hear me . i heard myself. it was very difficult on the air. are tight connections, because putin has repeatedly probably fulfilled sisinpin's request, even probably about the beginning of the date of the military invasion, which , according to the world media, sisinfin asked to be postponed in connection with the olympics in china, and in your opinion, anyway now he could not, could not ask for such a right, they tell us that after all there are problems with uh, with communication, for sure we will not be able to continue the topic of such an opinion, our expert and we can also assume that this opinion is well-founded because