in the course of economic news, oleksandr marchenko protested. he tells us about the economy during the war and new sports. evgeny pastukhov is ready to talk about sports for 2 hours in the company of his favorite hosts about culture during the war. lina is ready to talk about culture during the war or something else that many have become familiar with, maybe the weather will help us mrs. natalka didenko is ready to tell us some optimism, and we will also have distinguished guests of the studio today : volodymyr grishko, if everything goes well, the events of the day in two hours, vasyl's big broadcast of winter, a project for of intelligent and caring people in the evening naspresso good evening we are from ukraine we are a nation of inventive people signs they are quite versatile people they can be anything we invent cook we create highly maneuverable high-speed scales that can go anywhere we make it work exactly sleep somewhere in a

trench not our victory but after that delicious battalion of inventors here is our front, we are with you during the war information front of ukraine fm halychyna together to victory glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 84th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people against the russian occupation, the russian invaders continue to launch rocket attacks on the civilian and military infrastructure of ukraine, at the same time the russian invaders are shelling the positions of the

armed forces of ukraine on the eastern and southern fronts and in the depth of the defense of our troops in the donetsk operational area and in the slavyansk in the direction of russia, the russians are taking measures to strengthen the offensive group in other directions, the occupiers are trying to keep busy the frontiers are conducting reconnaissance, replenishing supplies and trying to improve their tactical position, at the same time, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment, as of the morning of may 17, the russians already on the morning of may 18, donate 28,300 personnel, tanks, 1,235 armored combat vehicles , 3,009 artillery systems, 586 rocket launchers 199 air defense equipment 91 aircraft 202 helicopters 167

vehicles 2,137 units of ships boats 13 drones 441 special equipment 43 units about the expansion of nato towards russia, the fate of the defenders of azovstal and the course of the ukrainian -russian war, we are talking today with the analyst of the national institute of strategic studies, mykola bliaskov, mykola slava to ukraine. i congratulate you and thank you for participating in our program. dad's headquarters in brussels officially submitted applications for joining nato, now this application countries must agree with 30 allies in the north atlantic alliance according to preliminary data agreement, this will take place during the year, at the same time, the president is not receptive and erdoğan said that he has certain reservations about the entry of

finland and sweden into the alliance. in your opinion, how soon will finland and sweden be able to join nato, taking into account the position of erdoğan and the situation that is developing in the north of europe is meant on the border with the russian federation, although the russians say that it is not a problem for them that sweden and finland join nato in the plan, but you mentioned the year that it takes to to be ratified by all the parliaments of the accession year, this is the deadline, they are focusing on the last two countries that joined the north atlantic alliance , i.e. macedonia and montenegro, that is, if there is a task, i think the parliaments of the member countries will ratify faster and it will not be such a problem. it won't take a year, that is, i think some procedure will be speeded up regarding turkey, their main claims are related to the presence of

the kurds in one way or another, this especially applies to sweden and plus e-e sanctions that were imposed as part of of the european union regarding turkey. i think there will be negotiations at different levels, that is, these countries will negotiate with turkey. nato countries will negotiate with turkey. i think in the end there will be arguments, especially some possible concessions in other issues that turkey is interested in, for example. the military-technical cooperation of this country, the united states, which even ankara eventually withdraws its reservation . there will be some kind of bargaining, but i think it will end quite quickly and in the end , the parliament for the states will ratify the states. in the pants of nato, the relevant documents and sweden will be financed, they will become member states, even possibly in less than a year, how do they say the term comparing the situation with the republic of montenegro, north macedonia, is one of russia's demands to

ukraine. during the last two and a half months , there was a demand to abandon the euro-atlantic direction from joining nato, while russia so that ukraine does not take steps to meet the north atlantic alliance, it received two more countries in the north, finland and sweden, which can potentially already become members of the north atlantic alliance, and the flight of ballistic packages from these countries to the same st. petersburg will take a minute or maybe less, and that a much shorter distance than from kharkiv, for example, to moscow. how does the entry of the finns and swedes into nato differ from the entry of ukraine into nato in moscow's view ? talked about nato in general and about ukraine's membership in nato - this is absolutely far-fetched

rhetoric, that is, if you compare it with the reality that took place, that is, nato was expanding, but it was expanding politically, not militarily, that is, no one created a powerful military there even after the 14th year infrastructure in the new member states of central and eastern europe. even now there could be much more nato contingents that have strengthened, but this is not at all the groupings that nato had, for example, the federal sculpture germany, when there was an active phase of the cold war about missiles, this is also completely far-fetched, because if nato wanted, but there was never such a need . because, unlike russia, nato does not live concentration for the sake of concentration, but hypothetically , if it were necessary, missiles could put barriers in countries as well, but this was not necessary , i.e., nato was always expanding politically, the union was too defensive, it did not seek concentration for the sake of confrontation, and it adhered to the provisions of the founding act of russia nato even when russia already attacked ukraine in the 14th year and refrained from deploying

missile weapons there or creating significant conventional groups there, including aviation. that is why all the rhetoric is far-fetched. actually, this is the case with sweden, finland, as opposed to ukraine . shows how far-fetched this rhetoric is, because a paradox really emerges in the case of sweden, especially in finland. that is, it is not a story of concern for the kremlin, as we can see, it was declared at the highest level by vladimir putin, but the case on the 16th of ukraine, there is concern here, and this makes us ask the question, what is behind this aggressive rhetoric? it was always behind aggressive rhetoric when it came to ukraine's membership in nato, and most likely, these are not the arguments that russia always gave . about adolescence , about the expansion of russia's infrastructure, and still at the level of identity, it is difficult to accept that ukraine is an independent state that can carry its own security into politics, while this security policy has never been in conflict

in fact, russian interests, real russian national interests, and not invented ones promoted by the cream, but yes, once again, we have an example that with its actions, which were supposed to warn something, russia actually only speeds up the process. that is, it speeds up the process of how on the one hand neutral sweden, on the other hand, has blocked finland renouncing this tradition and they will become members of nato, i have no doubt about this, despite the individual nuances from the turkish position, which were also voiced by ukraine, everything is increasing cooperation with the alliance, we are already seeing the transfer of heavy weapons, we are seeing the statement of the same prime minister boris johnson, who says that it will be an unprecedented level of transfer of material and technical assistance, training, data sharing, that is, interoperability , that is, in fact, in the long run, we are coming out on the trajectory followed in finland, sweden is only faster, then at first they had a high level of interoperability, powerful, and then quickly took advantage of the opportunity and joined, i.e. in fact, russia, under the stories of some

phantom threat from nato, on the contrary, contributes to the expansion of nato and contributes to the fact that ukraine is getting closer and closer to giving at the level of such practical moments, the former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, pavlo klinkin, called the submission of applications for accession finland and sweden to nato capitulation of the russian dictator quotes p klimkin sweden and finland have submitted applications to join nato for putin this is a capitulation he can say as much as he wants that there are no problems with their joining but he he contradicts himself a few months ago, russia demanded to return to the situation before 1997, that is, before the accession of new members to nato, he also emphasized that putin wanted to make it too weak and made it stronger, so in this current situation , should ukraine once again clearly confirm its the intention to join the

north atlantic alliance, of course, this norm is enshrined in the constitution, but in this difficult situation that we are all in now, it is very important to once again confirm and articulate our desire to join the north atlantic alliance, therefore that well, er, for a month there have been no statements from our side regarding the fact that no, we will definitely be members of nato, and russia is constantly saying, well, listen. you have three of our ultimatums, so you have to fulfill them in principle then maybe you will have peace, sweden and finland, well, finland has been in the status of a neutral state since 1945, and it seems to me that even in the biggest crises between the west and russia, or at least the soviet union, finland did not join nato, that is, for finland - this is also a new challenge e v

under the current conditions, will it be correct if ukraine follows finland and sweden, well, at least if it does not submit an application, it will declare its intention to join nato, let's probably start with what has been emphasized, because ukraine's effective resistance to russian full-scale aggression has created opportunities for sweden, finland to join to nato, well, this is one of the important factors, along with the fact that, for example, prices - it is such a unique european nation that continued to prepare for the great war in contrast to other continental countries after the end of the cold war, but another factor is that there is really nothing to threaten russia in finland at the moment, that is, these are empty threats, and in principle it is clear in the kremlin that hypothetically there could be threats, but when you cannot confirm these threats, having the main potential concentrated around ukraine , and there remains only nuclear threats but this is a very equivalent thing, then there is nothing left. how to reconcile. although, on the other hand, the kremlin leadership, in principle, correctly calculated

that since i, for example, in finland has quite a good powerful army that is capable of single-handedly countering a large part of the russian forces, then there will be no need for nato to deploy additional forces, significant additional forces that threaten that, in principle, we have the following answer. but the main thing is that our viewers understand that ukraine also contributed significantly to including thanks to us , this future phase will take place, the phase of expansion regarding our ambitions. let's put it this way, the situation here is ambiguous. that is, we and the previous leadership of the country and the current leadership of the country talked about membership in nato can. well, we will not start a discussion, but one way or another it was said and we saw a certain restraint of the alliance on this issue. it is clear that this restraint is not positive, but on the other hand, i agree that there is no alternative to nato and i am convinced that uh the majority of ukrainian society will not agree with any other course except the course of the donat course, which is the only

effective structure capable of solving certain tasks related to security. but it is clear that when this will happen is another question, that is what do we have at the moment, at the moment we have a new level of practical cooperation, that is, we are getting heavy western nato weapons, we are getting them, i think we are getting even more western weapons, that is, the level of practical interoperability will increase, and the exchange of intelligence will increase given that we have a special precedent, plus we have gained significant military experience, which will be interesting to take, that is, i am convinced that one way or another ukraine will get closer to nato, even in the context of effective countermeasures of the russian federation, that is, receiving, mastering western weapons, setting up a new level of data exchange, gaining invaluable experience, and uh, one way or another, this is a question

uh . the question of why invest in ukraine and not guarantee these investments, that is why the positions were, well, different , we understand very well in our rhetoric, but also in the positions of nato, unfortunately, 30 member countries have different positions but at the moment, in my opinion, we have a pretty good practical interaction, its trajectory is such that it brings us more and more towards future membership, and in addition to membership, i am convinced that the majority of the ukrainian population simply will not agree to any other option for guaranteeing our long-term security well, by the way, regarding nato, ramzan kadyrov, the head of chechnya, says that russia is fighting on the territory of ukraine with nato countries and the north atlantic alliance. over the past 80 days, we have heard different rhetoric from the leaders of the russian state, i also

put leaders or at least people who influence public opinion in this number, including they talked about various things, about the fact that they help in the people's militia, the so-called dnr troops came, then they talked about the fact that they will now fight with leaders not of the nazis and there will be a regime, these drugs mean zelenskyi and his associates, then they said that they will fight with nato, and then they said that the whole world is against us, e.e. kadyrov, putin and their troops who are now in ukraine, they are fighting for what, not against whom. because it is clear that they are against the future, why are they fighting for their presence on our territory, in order to destroy our state so that it ceases to exist, or are they still looking for some logical explanation to his own

audience what he said well, we will lose for 80 days or so let's say this blitz everywhere it didn't succeed, but listen, the whole nato bloc is opposing us there , actually, here is an interesting case when there is official rhetoric that is changing, that is evolving russian rhetoric - this is the truth, and the other is the deep reasons, if we talk about the deep reasons, then at least in the first stage of the war, in the first phase, which lasted until the end of march, the goal of russia was to destroy ukrainian statehood militarily and to conquer ukraine and actually return to the situation of the year 1991. that is, how do you think putin will correct this mistake of the year 1991, because we remember this rhetoric, he actually put an equal sign between the russian empire and the soviet union, that is, in a military manner, because not it was possible to conquer ukraine in an informational, energy, and economic hybrid way, so let's destroy

ukrainian statehood militarily. moreover, the russians have spent the last 12 years investing significant sums in military equipment, modernizing the armed forces, and against the background of the lack of other tools, they decided to use the last, that is, the military tool, so the goal is really was the destruction of ukrainian statehood, it is clear that when we already foiled the original plan, we foiled the plan to capture kyiv, first of all, we got an effective resistance in mykolaiv oblast, chernihiv oblast, kharkiv oblast , they had to modify their goals, reduce their goals, and it is clear that the rhetoric of the russian leadership also changed. we must somehow explain to our population why they are really at war. for such a long time, but even with a reduction in scale, they cannot achieve any goals in the east of ukraine, that is, they will go to the administrative borders of the donetsk luhansk region to defeat our group there, that is why the rhetoric is changing so much in terms of what we are fighting there not against ukraine, we are fighting against nato and even these

stories about how there will be too much to fight to the last ukrainian against russia about how ukraine is a kind of trojan horse run by a proxy, but in fact this is also an example when uh- if there are the same declared goals , but a completely different, inverted result is obtained, because what was the rhetoric of the russians when they started this great war about the need to destroy ukrainian statehood , because ukrainian statehood is a tool against russia, we recall this article by putin and, in general, aggressive rhetoric towards ukrainian statehood, but in the end they got what they got is that the west is now ready to strengthen ukraine and the military financially to the point that russia does not represent a threat to ukraine for europe, but this is not at all about xiaomi is supporting the basic principles of the world order about the

inviolability of borders about sovereignty, which are enshrined in the un charter, that is, helping ukraine, the issues are not weakened by russia as such weakening russia is only a tool for the main goal of renewing the basic principles on which the world order rests and which, if these basic principles are not protected, there will be no world order, there will be no order only in europe, and there will be no order throughout the world, in fact, that is why the rhetoric the goals are also decreasing, but even these goals cannot be achieved by the russians in connection with the active resistance of the security and defense forces of ukraine. by the way, about ramzanov, there was a report from british intelligence that the cousin of the head of chechnya, ramzanov kadyrova, adam delimkhanov, was probably the field commander of mariupol, it is noted that russia's attempts to capture the city were unsuccessful and led to significant losses of personnel among the rural troops, at the same time, according to the british, the forces that

participated in the assault on mariupol were included in these forces also units of the national guard, which are usually engaged in the protection of the kadyrov authorities. kadyrov personally supervised this deployment, friends, we are working live, please. if you watch us on social networks, please like this video and also subscribe to our social networks on our youtube and also on our facebook read our news on the website espresso tv and here we are talking to you mr. mykola about the situation with nato and we are talking about the situation with russia about what they are saying how are they trying to interpret the current situation and the situation with the 80 days of the russian-ukrainian war at this time , putin's press secretary dmytro piskov says that the

so-called special military operation is going according to plan, that the country is on the right path, then leads we are ahead, let's listen to what piskov said about it, our president knows where you are taking our country, we can see what it is. well, this is called a political consensus, but at what level of support does our president have, the whole country supports him, well, where putin is taking the country, i have my own version but i will say after your answer that with the current trajectory, putin is leading his political regime to collapse in one way or another. well, he is also leading the russian federation to a crisis and possibly to a collapse, that is, russia has fallen under unprecedented restrictions, that is, in terms of the number of sanctions restrictions, russia is now number one in the world, eh, russia has fallen

under technological restrictions, respectively, that is, there will be a further lag, economic, technological, eh, from other countries, there will be a transformation into a large north korea, and eh . in reality, the russian leadership understands that but uh, even at a purely military level, that is, if we are talking, they are saying that the operation is developing according to the plan. well, if there was a plan, uh, first get effective resistance uh within the framework of the first phase, when there were maximalist goals, they received effective resistance further. they reduced their ambitions to the south-east. they also receive effective resistance in the south-east. they will have to go to defense, how long will they be able to finance all this and receive it is also

an open question, so putin actually knows uh he uh accepted russia as quite weak after uh during such a period of transition in the 90s, he believed that he made it strong. but in fact, he is just returning it to such a peak of weakness, and it is about the collapse of his authoritarian regime, which made a lot of mistakes in the international arena and internally, the degradation of the political regime is increasingly - the decline of totalitarianism well, it is clear that this is about the crisis of russian statehood, about whether this state will exist at all in one form or another, and how incompetent the leadership is, which satisfies its political ambitions sacrificed the real national interests, the essence of which is that the population should live normally, that there should be economic and social development, and instead it happens in the pursuit of such chimeras as greatness , the revival of the empire, and everything like that in the 19th

century when we talk about this path the way putin is leading russia, i have only one association with this path, this path in the direction of the moscow cruiser, well, that is , where the border guard sent the moscow cruiser , the russian federation actually goes there, well, it’s not piskov can say this, but i think that the majority of viewers who saw the synchronicity under secretary putin thought the same way at the same time as the minister of defense of ukraine, oleksiy reznikov , believes that the war is moving into a protracted phase. to quote russia is preparing for a long-term military operation, the war is entering a protracted phase, we see how in kherson oblast, zaporizhia oblast, the russian occupiers are actively carrying out engineering and fortification works so that, if necessary, we can go on the defensive. what does the protracted war

mean for ukraine and for russia ? that of the second world war, but here the scale is a little smaller, but these wars that were introduced by the same soviet union after the second world war, even the afghan war, it did not bring only losses to the russians than this war that is now is being waged. so, when krasnikov talks about a protracted war, it means that putin is ready, so to speak, to put 200,000 of his e soldiers here and get e-e wounded e-e about half a million people in order to achieve certain e -concessions on the part of ukraine well first of all, let

me say that i agree with this assessment, because there are indeed factors that lead to this, that is, on the one hand, we see that the west helps us, the west , water restrictions against russia, and export controls on technologies and economic restrictions but these are far from the restrictions that we would like to see , especially this applies to the energy sector, and without introducing energy restrictions , unfortunately, russia will continue to have an inflow of resources, and we see that the discussion on the same oil barge in the european court continues on the other side hmm yes , for example, russia can stop conducting offensive actions, but it can go to the defense of the positions it has taken. equipping positions. that is, it may mean that the russians are preparing to come to the defense and control those territories, try to get those territories that

they captured after february 24, and then already in ukraine it will be necessary to carry out offensive actions, that is, now we are effective and excellent in defense, conducting active defense, active defense operation and if the russians go on the defensive, maybe somewhere they will retreat because they do not have enough strength to occupy the front line they occupy, but if they go on the defensive, then we will have to to break through the russian defense and that too well, it's quite a difficult task. let's be realistic. and we need a completely different military potential in terms of firepower, mobility of forces. unfortunately, we are also in such a situation that we are dependent on the west, that is yes, the west helps us, but there are also various discussions in the west. how much should we help ukraine? what level of aid in terms of heavy weapons? fearing a nuclear war, that is, i absolutely agree with this assessment that, unfortunately,

a situation may arise in which the russians will no longer be able to advance because they will exhaust the potential they had and there will be no new ones because they do not bring such powerful mobilization as it should be. and we still won't be able to advance because we won't have such a powerful potential. yes, somewhere. we may level the front line, but it won't be what many people would like to see, especially in the conditions that we are dependent on the west. and in the west, there are very different positions regarding how much and what kind of weapons are difficult for us to transfer, and here the main marker for me will be why we receive ms-42 and m270 launchers from the americans, which can be both multiple rocket launchers capable of up to 70 km and operational tactical missile complexes with a range of up to 310 that is why i completely share this assessment that it is necessary to prepare for such an option. i understand the request to liberate at least those territories that we lost after february 24. ideally, we should all liberate the territories because in a different way

the world order will be in question but we have such factors that insufficient pressure on russia will be able to go on the defensive and will have the potential for this, and on the other hand, there is insufficient support for measures that were supported in order to weaken russia but may not be supported to the point of finishing off everyone although there are positions, for example, bory johnson is one of the biggest supporters of friends of ukraine, he is like ronald reagan for central europe in the 80s, for us it is bory johnson, now he most consistently supports ukraine and his messages edition of the economist, they are the most pro-ukrainian about the fact that there cannot be any compromises, there must be the complete destruction of that grouping, which was and the complete and complete restoration of the territorial integrity of sovereignty, that is, i approve of this strategic assessment of mr. reznikov, and i like it for its sobriety because it is in we ask there that the war will end in two weeks, they tell us one, the next two you