then the world order will be in question in a different way. but we have such factors that insufficient pressure on russia will allow russia to go on the defensive and will have the potential for this, and on the other hand, insufficient support for the west, which supported it in order to weaken russia but may not support it to the point that to kill all eyes, there are positions, for example, borya from johnson is one of the biggest supporters of the friends of ukraine, he is like ronald reagan for central europe in the 80s, for us it is borya johnson, now he will most consistently support ukraine and its messages for economy, they are the most pro-ukrainian about the fact that there cannot be any compromises, there must be a complete destruction of that group, which was also a complete and complete restoration of the territorial integrity of sovereignty , that is, i approve of this strategic assessment of mr. reznikov and i like it with his sobriety because we have a request there will end the war in two weeks they tell us one thing there the next two weeks will be decisive the next two weeks will be decisive they are decisive in their own way but not like that many people are expecting decisive decisions, and in the plan, the war will be

long-term, eh, well, i have an example of the first world war, eh, when everything was decided, for example, not only on the battlefield. we may have such a situation that the russians can no longer attack en masse. we cannot attack en masse yet. so in this clinch situation, the one who best adapts to this confrontation will win, that is, the one who will understand his resource base, and unfortunately we have it er will decrease and it must be recognized who, er, understanding all their limitations, understanding the potential , will adapt better, i.e., it is more correct to place the accents correctly there, they will build er, business policy there, they will have a resource base there, therefore, in principle, the military has fulfilled its task, they repelled the first attack of the enemy they are coping now in the east despite the intense pressure and now the question is generally about the quality of state policy,

that is, on the one hand, that our army men will receive the tools for waging war in the future, and on the other hand for the state to carry out a set of measures that would allow us to look into the future with confidence , that is, the right economic policy is not to burden business with an additional tax burden that generates real jobs, on the contrary, it is possible to reduce the tax burden, that is, it is a question of who is better able to play the long game, that is, who it does not come off from overloading economically , so to speak, who will more correctly adjust the economic policy in the first place so that all the disparities introduced by the war are minimized in order to minimize the negative consequences i mean, as an example, you can look at how it was in the first world war, when the central powers lost on the battlefield, and from internal economic problems that turned into social and political problems, in your opinion, do you still have any illusions about

volodymyr in the world putin because when we talk about the future of our country, we are also talking about the future of security architecture in europe and the world, so far some of the countries are watching what is happening in ukraine is happening in ukraine at the same time, an anti-putin front is being formed there, 40 defense ministers of different countries gathered in rammstein at the air base of the united states of america and decided to help ukraine, but still, in your opinion, does the world still have any more steps or maneuvers left for putin to get out of this situation, or does he still have a chance to leave and return to certain positions in world politics so that at least someone would congratulate him, you know the situation in this matter is very complex and ambiguous, that is, i completely agree with your point of view that when

talking about the russian-ukrainian war is not a question of only ukraine or russia, it is not even a question of europe, it is a question of the whole world well, for example, in the 1990s, iraq bought a sedan swimming pool. that is, it did not only apply to iraq, but rather, kuwait was bought by iraq behind hussein’s gardens, it is not it only applied to kuwait, it applied to the basic principles, and in saddam they clearly said that either you leave without fear or well, we will destroy you militarily and force you to leave kuwait, that is, i absolutely share your position and this is the rhetoric that i use there when i communicate to an international audience, especially when you communicate in a non-western country, for example, like today there with pakistani students, but the situation is very ambiguous, because yes, we have the support of western countries, eh. is this conference at rammstein, or is there a position of seven and so too much for the usa, what are the closest representatives not only in europe, and for example in the indian pacific region, there australia, japan is more than half of the world gdp,

but we have such a situation that we would like our position to be supported as much as possible, but on unfortunately, in latin america, in africa, in the middle east, in asian countries, the situation is perceived not according to the logic that you profess, which i profess there from the point of view of certain historical presidents or importance for the world order, but they perceive, for example, from the point of view of what is the relationship with russia or what is the experience of interacting with the united states, that is, there was some ambiguous experience of interacting with the united states, then if the united states helps ukraine there, then everything is not so clear and it is russian propaganda. unfortunately that is, they use a lot of such narratives, they use one or another moments. they are not the best , for example, from american history, but they talk about it, but how little do the americans tell russia when the americans themselves behaved ambiguously against iraq in 2003, that is,

unfortunately, we have an example when our enemy is quite active among the countries of latin america, asia, africa, and the middle east, so as to spread their messages and undermine the ukrainian position, but when we have active support of the event, this eliminates the lack of support from other countries, or the neutral position that they are trying to take, because actually many countries take a neutral position, that is, they are in no hurry to help russia. that is, something is possible in the general assembly, they will vote so that they are closer to russia and less closer to us, but they are not conducting anything active to help russia overcome sanctions, so the situation is unfortunately difficult uh, the position in the world is ambiguous, the russians are quite active, they spread their narratives, they distort history, they selectively use certain factors to undermine, let’s say our arguments, uh,

they try to portray there, for example, are the americans imperialist, russia, this empire , an anti-imperialist force, what can we all do non -western countries should be in solidarity against western countries, i.e. different moments are used, but uh, while on uh, hm is on our side, a collective measure that has more than 50% of gdp there and it actively helps us on as a counterbalance to these countries, asia, africa, latin america, which are simply neutral towards russia, not very helpful, that is, clearly in this diplomatic game. the truth is on our side, the only thing that actually is. unfortunately, among the countries of the west, especially continental europe, there are different positions, that is, for whom it is worth in the first place to fight, i understand the desire to fight informationally on the fronts of asia, africa, latin america, but in terms of influencing the conflict, the main thing is the position of the western countries and the conditional position of germany or france is definitely more important than even the same one, for example, of the south african republic or some latin american country or some middle eastern country, therefore the position of the knife

, unfortunately, the situation is not as it would have been, not as it was in the first year, when everyone condemned hussein himself for the crime of aggression against kuwait, but diplomatically e- our position is much stronger than the position of the russian federation on the world stage. over the past few days, we have been observing a special operation to rescue the defenders of azov, the stalwart people who stayed in mariupol for 82 days and defended it the city and there are a lot of reactions about what and how is happening in mariupol and what is happening with the defenders of the russians. of course they are trying to speculate on this. volodymyr volodan says

that it is necessary to pass a law according to which russia should not exchange azov citizens for russian prisoners, because they say that azov citizens must sit in prison at the same time, the founder of the azov regiment andriy in his address, the german urged not to harm the defenders with his insights and conclusions. and he assured that he had a connection with the soldiers and the garrison. let's hear in 2-3 days. i think that the garrison itself will give a clear understanding of how everything happened, how it happened, and so on. for a minute i can say that the garrison regiment is in communication i know what is happening there the garrison is in place the garrison with weapons in their hands everything will be fine everything will be alright

ukraine do not harm the glory of ukraine we will not harm but still we cannot ignore this fact and this story because the american institute for the study of war writes that russia could agree to the evacuation of the military for the last time in order to quickly declare mariupol . already in the russian federation due to the shooting down of 200 airplanes and almost 200 helicopters, another version is that the russians want to deceive the ukrainians and do something similar to ilovaisk when the azovians go to the territory under the control of the so-called dnr and then the russians will actually deceive the ukrainians in this story, eh, what impressed me the most, that is, the fact that

russia agreed to this, or the fact that ukraine, well, maybe could have communicated better and explained what was happening because, eh, it is not completely clear what it all is it will end, they are only talking about some uh some influence of the world powers, i don't know if it's about biden or erdoğan. hmm , what is your version of what is happening now with the fighters of azov, who were defending mariupol? well, you know, it is very difficult to speak in the background and - the first they are absolutely correct in making such calls. that is , the more media attention, the more the negotiating position of russia, which is speculating on all this, is being strengthened, and unfortunately there is a lack of information to draw conclusions and actually understand it. what will happen

to those who are not the ones left the wounded who were evacuated were taken to the russian-controlled parts of donbas, i only hope that our leadership has calculated all the risks and that we really have trump cards. they will enable the repetition of certain scenarios that you voiced. that is, so that we really get our heroes alive in all of them, that is, they probably limit it precisely to this in the conditions of lack of information in conditions of increased attention and in order not to continue the empty speculations of the sands we during the 80s and four for days, we have been watching how the russian federation does not want to enter into any negotiations with ukraine. we are talking about the ultimatum that was announced by president putin back in february. then there were some negotiations with the participation of working groups of

ukraine and russia. of the federation says that ukraine deliberately withdrew from these negotiations and whether there are any possibilities and whether there are any definite signs that ukraine and russia can sit down at the negotiating table and agree on something because all the efforts of even erdogan to bring putin to the negotiating table and zelensky 's fiasco ended, although yesterday the russian mass media wrote that putin may fly to erdogan in a few days regarding the settlement of the possible well, you know, in the theory of negotiations, there is such a thing as a negotiating position between our russian there is no overlap between the negotiating positions , that is, we have our own demands and they are based on the

effectiveness of our resistance. russia has its own demands. although it is now a little difficult to understand what they see as a way out of the situation, it is clear that the maximalist demands are already unrealistic and they also have a certain negotiating position, they have certain calculation calculations, that is, we remember in march there were several attempts to enter into negotiations from our side, certain points were also voiced, but in fact the development of events at the front plus those that were not comforting news. hmmm, from the suburbs of kyiv, we learned about the terrible crimes that took place and the general mood in ukrainian society . what will she say about this - it is political suicide, that is, it counts with the position of the mood of the ukrainian people, the ukrainian people who

, on the one hand, effective opposition to russia, on the other hand, put a lot on the altar of victory, he is not will agree to alia minsk-3 compromises, only such global geopolitical ones, taking into account the possible membership in nato, what can be based on the russian support position, what are they at all in these conditions, when they did not achieve larger-scale goals in the first phase, less large-scale goals have not achieved what can be expected now, what can be russia's calculations, russia's calculations, as far as i understand, may be that it is possible to go on the defensive, to consolidate on the existing positions and to use that fact as a plus that, unfortunately, the flow of oil and gas continues from europe, that is, there are resources, and it is a plus to use the fact that there are different positions in the west, that is, there are more pro-ukrainian positions, but boris johnson is less pro-ukrainian, but emmanuel macron, i think he has not changed his unfortunately, position, he still

believes that it is necessary to somehow allow putin to leave with the face of what this is. and this is absolute nonsense if we are talking about maintaining the basic things of the world order, there can only be an unconditional exit from all the territories occupied in the 14th year, there is a us government that as we can see on the one hand where there is heavy weaponry but something so far uh less uh so positive and uh constructive attitude to the proposal to the request of ukraine to provide us with heavier weaponry reactive systems from alcohol operational-tactical missile complexes i.e. russia once again, he believes that it will be able to stay in our country, based on this, let's say different positions on the measures based on the fact that continental europe will still depend on russian energy resources. it does not take such a maximalist position. that is, it is may be a calculation, i.e. what american intelligence said, i agree with this assessment, they may believe that in the long term, the west will feel the negative consequences from the severing of trade

relations, from the hypothetical severing of energy relations, from the negative impact on the food market, because we will continue to mention that russia is blocking our black sea ports and making it impossible to export agricultural products, which can mean famine because 500 million people in the world depend on our agricultural products. that is, it can be such a russian strategy, i.e. here, as a matter of fact, a lot depends on whether we can convince the governments of western countries that, first of all, there is no risk in the military defeat of that conventional group that was concentrated in clearing all our territories and further. please give us under this appropriate heavy weapons so that we could accomplish this with minimal casualties, that is, there were more positive statements by defense minister lloyd austin after the rammstein conference that you mentioned, but after that more radical biden himself did not make any statements. as you can see, he is still quite cautious, so we definitely have

russia's support. russia has calculated in terms of the level of support. but russia is counting on the fact that, as i understand it, the level of support from the west will not be enough to bring russia to get rid of any trump cards in the negotiations, for example, get rid militarily by liberating some of the temporarily occupied territories that they have occupied since february 24, 2020. well, it is possible that russia's position regarding ukraine's non-admission to nato is also connected with this, because, well, russia understands that having lost crimea and this will happen one way or another in the event that ukraine joins the north atlantic alliance and then russia will be forced to pull out more heavy weapons in order to prove that this is the territory of the russian federation because for putin the return of crimea to ukraine in fact, it will mean the collapse of political careers , because the

entire current ideology of putin is being built on crimea, which he selected in 2014, and in ukraine, and i wanted to ask you in this regard, do you adhere to the opinion that putin after all wants to create this mini-wed by december 30, 2022, the centenary of the founding of the soviet union, because just a few days ago, the russian mass media reported that in russia they are beginning to revive the pioneer organization or the komsomol, well, in short, something very similar to what happened under soviet union well, you know, there may be completely different plans, different ambitions, but against the objective development of events, against history , well, it is very difficult to go against history, against the objective development of events, actually vladimir putin he is a person who contributed almost the most to the

creation of the modern ukrainian political nation, to the strengthening of the ukrainian identity, which is based on democracy, liberal values , freedom of speech, and other values, accordingly, he may have any ambitions, but actually vladimir putin it seems to me that with his aggression, he buried in this great aggression, he buried any possible hypothetical chances for some normal relations, even normal relations, am i not talking about some ussr 2:0 normal, good neighborly relations without russia repenting of these crimes, as the federal republic of germany has already repented at one time. therefore, no, putin, unfortunately, is a very stupid, hard-headed person who never admits mistakes, and in relation to ukraine, this is one big the mistake he makes, especially mistakes since the 14th year, but these mistakes

cost us dearly. unfortunately, we also pay for them, but the result is the opposite. that is, we can already talk about the fact that we have a separate a political nation because it is truly a political nation , regardless of language, religious preferences, ethnicity, other points that divide us, we are united around the corresponding values ​​and defend the values, that is, we are a political nation, we are a separate political nation , that is, this process has begun actively 14- th year, it is actually already ending, so any attempts they have already failed, they will have no effect, so this problem of russian foreign policy is still alive by some realities that have not existed for a long time and refuse to happen with objective circumstances that they themselves create, that is, the maximum that can be said is the withdrawal of all troops, er, this is compensation in ukraine, and it was once clear that not under the current regime, not under this war criminal who never admits his mistakes, but one day it's to repent, it

's to kneel down, in fact, forward to the ukrainian people, and as willy brandt once did in warsaw in the 70s, to repent for all the crimes that will be committed then, it will be possible well, neighborly relations are possible, but otherwise, there are simply no other options, they will never be, that’s why putin finally buried the russian empire, which he loves so much, at the end of our program, mykola, i wanted to ask you about which scenario for the future of russia you are leaning towards because general budanov, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, says that there are two options for what can happen next from russia. or it will break up into several parts and it will happen in some certain in the future, either russia will get rid of those who currently rule it, that is, due to a change of power, there will be a different country and then another ukraine, because we will already be talking about something

and the world will be talking about something. which of these versions are you a supporter of? well, you know, i think hmm it will be something closer to the second option, but probably not in the terms that we would like, not so quickly and not to that extent . - to accept the assessment given by mr. reznikov, the head of the ministry of defense, to prepare for such a confrontation with you, understanding that the position of the west is that they support us, but they do not support us as much as we would like, and we are working on it, but we can not do it completely as we would like. therefore, after all, this the regime is being isolated, it will boil in its own juice , sooner or later there will be a change of leadership, uh, clearly they will understand that war and confrontation with ukraine

is not in their interests, clearly they will try to come to an agreement so as not to lose the positions they have, i.e. there will be more of the second scenario, but probably not as quickly and not to the extent that we would like, i would bet on it. and in general, it is necessary to prepare for a long-term confrontation, understanding all the risks and all the tasks of just such a long-term confrontation, when we talk about a long-term confrontation, and well in this case, it is not oleksiy reznikov who is speaking, are we talking about a confrontation similar to the one that took place in ukraine in 2014-2022, or are we talking about an active phase, a hot phase that will continue in the future, but already with the entrenchment of the russians there in certain of their positions in the east and south of ukraine, uh, well, here it is. in principle, i have already voiced two factors that will influence how the front will develop further, if we are talking about the front, that is, the first question is with what forces the russians the

offensive operation is ending. it is clear that it will fail. it is clear that there will be no offensive forces for us, and it is clear that we will have to go on the opposite side to the defense without mobilization and the transition to military lines, which did not happen. and here the question is at what lines will they do this maybe somewhere they will withdraw, but at which boundaries, because with what forces and at which boundaries , on the one hand, and on the other hand, the level of support for the event is important, because we are increasingly dependent on them both in terms of military and technical assistance and in terms of financial assistance, because let's not forget that they predict a decrease in gdp there from a third to 45%. and therefore the macro economic financial aid is also very, very important , therefore it will depend on these factors, that is, on the third factor, which will be the pressure on the russian federation, that is, at the intersection of these things, the level of aid to ukraine, the level of pressure on russia, and with what forces russia will complete this offensive will depend on what will happen. what will happen on the front, that is, unfortunately, there may be

such an option. february and knocking them out of there will be problematic due to the fact that the level of aid from the west is not as great as we would like it or not as quickly as we would like it. of strategic research and see you later in our programs i hope i wish you good health and i will tell our viewers that i am saying goodbye to you until tomorrow at 1 p.m. as a people's deputy of ukraine, we will talk about the situation on the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine. it was a verdict program brought by serhii

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