the main thing is that we enter the stage of post-war ukraine, the war must be won, the war must be ended, this is a key prerequisite for the restoration of ukraine, the ukrainian state is the number one task, and only after that we can have a discussion about what the recovery plan will be, what the plan will be recovery, i.e. the first key is the end of the war, the second is the plan of economic recovery, you need to realize that at the first stage, and this is a stage that can last from 5 to 10 years, a private investor will not go to ukraine a private investor will go only when ukraine receives reinforced concrete guarantees of its own security, i emphasize reinforced concrete guarantees, there are various discussions about what this security can be, but one or

two or ten countries will give us these or other guarantees, i would hardly believe it i believe only in one of what we started with you, apart from ukraine's membership in nato, there is no other option as of today and the strength of the ukrainian army, that is, we have the second prerequisite ukraine must be safe so that both private foreign investors and domestic the investor invested money, now the third regarding the so -called marshall plan, let's call it that, only it should be a much broader plan, because the marshall plan historically was the plan that the americans did in post-war europe, the marshall plan for ukraine, it should include these two elements are the united states of america and the european union, and now what does this marshall plan mean if someone thinks that they will simply open the treasury of either the american or the european union member countries and distribute money like this

it won't happen, and already now the european union has clearly stated that we will help ukraine and the figure is circulating in the corridors of brussels: 500 billion dollars. that is, it is one of the largest global packages, but this package will be directly linked to very broad reforms and changes in ukraine, economic , energy fiscal, budgetary, political , democratic reforms we want to join the european union, because we submitted an application for ukraine to join the european union, this means that all the rules and principles of the european union must to be implemented in ukraine under these rules under these procedures under these reforms the european union will give money to build a new, high-quality ukraine

because ukraine before the 23rd and ukraine after the 23rd are two different ukraines, we need a new strong , extremely strong ukraine and here ro p - americans , europeans, it is very important, gentlemen, a brief clarification of the government, we will most likely be the same , of course, we will change if it is so mentally and so on. well, i just remember what the votes were like before the war, before the military format. i can easily imagine and announced in a military format something like, we saved you here. and you will twist our hands in exchange aid, no, no one, no one, i don’t even want this rhetoric to be used. this is the highest task of all of us. this is the task of the political leadership of the country, this is the task of every person, because

the infrastructure is broken, the economy is broken, part of the territory is captured, which we must fight back, the sides must be restored the railway infrastructure is the same, that is, we are facing the largest tasks after the second world war. there is no more large-scale task of restoring the country. well, that is, history does not know other scales. money will be given for, as i said, for european ukraine for ukraine. which fully and completely meets the standards of the european union under the country that every ukrainian wants to see not just a member of the european union, but a country that meets the quality of the european union and here the other it will not be called, but it is european well,

let's specify here about the reconstruction plan of ukraine, the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen, spoke today about the fact that the new microfinance in the 22nd year for ukraine is nine billion euros, and in general, she spoke about the in fact, it is about such a joint plan of ukraine and the european commission, which, as specified by the prime minister of ukraine, denys shmyhal, will be based on four pillars: the reconstruction of the infrastructure according to the latest standards, the modernization of the ukrainian state and of its institutions, this is the maximum integration of ukraine into the eu in all spheres and the fourth economic transformation, including new opportunities for ukrainian business. at the same time, as of may 10, the total amount of direct documented damage to the infrastructure of ukraine is already more than 94.3 billion dollars. and the total losses of the ukrainian economy due to the war, the

direct and indirect losses of this decrease in gdp and the cessation of investment from those labor force range from 464 to 600 billion dollars, so we also have to add almost 9 billion of the costs for military needs that ukraine hm had to spend because of the full-scale invasion of russia. so arseniyovich, will these 500 billion from the collective measure be enough to restart the country, and yet how is it here, what steps should we take to fight corruption, because my colleague vitaly portnikov in one in his interviews, he said that the corruption that awaits us after the war is actually a state of affairs that we have never actually faced before, it will be an unprecedented wave of corruption, and this is understandable because the war can still

to last a considerable amount of time, and in any case the country will lose these countries, it will become impoverished, it will need resources such as air, and there will surely be those who want to take advantage of it, what is the work before us under corruption, not only that the center will not give dollars, but also that the country that yes, the guard suffered and is suffering from the war, it will never accept any official who will continue to engage in corruption, this is a crime, this is a crime against the citizens of the country, and for such reforms, no one will give a single penny, up to the 9 billion that you just mentioned said this 9 billion - it is not for reconstruction, they must be divided, er, these 9 billion - it is actually for the current financing of the deficit of the state budget, we have

to live for something because every month there is not enough 5 billion us dollars for the state budget and the european union international monetary fund with the united states of america is actually now making it possible for ukraine to function because we will never win the war. if we have money , the economy will be destroyed. well, people have to live for something. people have to be paid. the economy has to hospitals must work, schools must work, basic needs must be provided, therefore, this package that is now announced is a package that is related to the support of the current economic activity of the country . there are from 50 to 70 billion dollars, it all depends on how long the war will last in relation to 500 billion dollars, this

is currently only a discussion in the european union , this money is not yet available, but objectively, what is this money will be because the european union wants to help and the americans want to help ukraine, now it is the third. i return again to the issue of not just corruption, it is to the issue of judges, it is to the issue of governing the country , it is to the issue of the functioning of the political system of the state, it is to the issue of democracy, it is to the issue of freedom of speech, it is to the issue all anti-corruption energy reforms, i.e. all of this list, which are a mandatory condition for the country to become a member of the european union and receive the support of the civilized world, none of these issues will not be removed because what we as ukrainians need is that ukrainians need a strong and efficient country. and a strong and efficient country is the reforms that

will be included in the package of macro-financial aid to ukraine for the restoration of the ukrainian state. thank you very much, arseniy yatsenyuk. in which everything will be better than it was, and they emphasize this, and in their e-e plans for the post-war reconstruction of ukraine, the principle of better than it was should apply, and they will invest in it, they will invest in it, and this is precisely the future that awaits us powerful transformation and we will probably not return to the state of affairs there as it was before february 24, this will be a new country. we must build a new strong european country. that's right. thank you for this conversation. arseniy yatsenyuk was in touch with us, a politician, economist, lawyer and two-time ministers of ukraine what

actually mr. yatsenyuk said very well is that it is not even a question of why we want or don't want. we simply cannot. there is no such thing as ukraine. this is the case when i hit the bottom of the date, that is, there is simply no third way. everything is eternal, as they said, the third the path is a special path there, as kuchmy loved to say about what we have there, there are many vector politics of this, it ended with this war finally exactly that on may 18 we celebrate the anniversary, it is the 78th anniversary of the deportation of the leader of the indigenous people of crimea, so it is the day of remembrance of the victims of genocide we honor the crimean tatar people today, what about the following guests of our broadcast: andriy kovalev, political scientist , religious scholar and spokesman for the territorial defense battalion greetings to andriy good day 112 territorial defense brigade of the armed forces of ukraine glory to ukraine, the deputy of ukraine is also already in

contact with us via skype. we congratulate mrs. nataliya. good day. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. well, let's start with church affairs - this is actually important because it is also an element of our struggle. we remember that the other day the synod of the ukrainian orthodox church of the church of the moscow patriarchate stated that it was the activity of the previous ukrainian authorities regarding the acquisition of the tomos for the establishment of the orthodox church of ukraine that led to the invasion of russia in 2022, an extremely large a wave of indignation - this caused a wave of indignation in ukrainian society, and uh, we also see these numerous facts uh, when our law enforcement agencies detain saboteurs in cassocks, and this is actually uh, and

some parallel reality that accompanies us these war days of 84- and the day of the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, but the ukrainian parliament continues to believe that there is a bill that has actually been submitted to the parliament and which provides for the ban of the moscow patriarchate in the city of ukrainian communities at the same time that it is not timely already done at the local level, let me remind you that such decisions were made in konotop and brovary and banned the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, let's listen to our experts andriy kovalev, i have a word for you as a religious scholar, first of all, what are the prospects of this process. how do you see the development of events in the near future? the war hmm will probably not end tomorrow. we have a difficult road ahead of us. what should these look like? what will you allow? literally, anyway.

i think it's important. to reveal one's attitude towards the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, but it is precisely this thesis that they brought the tomos, that's why you have a war, it also serves in fact to be discussed, but it must be discussed because, well, it seems to me that it's something like if i knew that a woman was raped well, she went out by herself and not in a burqa. how is it, if you allow me, i will correct maria a little, with all due respect, there is no ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, the bukhara patriarchate, i don't know there warsaw patriarchate or san francisco polls according to article 12 of the current law of ukraine on religious organizations and freedom of conscience, it clearly states the status of a religious organization

with a spiritual center in ukraine, the aggressor, therefore, according to this law, this religious organization is called the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and the synod also of the russian orthodox church in ukraine adopted this appeal, which we just discussed about the fact that allegedly it turns out that it is not putin, not the russian federation, who started the war there, but who are responsible for the war allegedly, poroshenko and the orthodox church of ukraine are really such an informational correction. i apologize because this is the name of the renaming of the ukrainian orthodox church to the russian church. it is currently blocked by the district administrative court, so i can’t do it. let’s not resort to such accusations . this church is called in in ukraine, the uoc of the moscow patriarchate is a russian mythology, a katsapian mythology that is spreading on some sites and some

mass media, which, unfortunately , do not resort to special analysis, the district cannot an administrative court, especially one that no longer has any powers, it is wolf's justice to block any draft laws, they do not physically have such a legal norm, the constitutional court, upon the appeal of a certain number of deputies of a group of deputies, can recognize a certain law as inconsistent with the constitution, then it loses its validity it is possible that we resort to cover-ups here, but unfortunately, this church is now officially called in ukraine, and let's ask mrs. natalya how it is formulated and the name in the corresponding bill submitted to the e the parliament, which was also co-authored by nataliya pipa, well, the key thing is that we change the third one, let’s compare the churches, which are not churches in their essence, but are a structure of the fsb, so that is, any religious organization that is governed outside of ukraine by

a country that has carried out an armed attack or aggression in ukraine, this is our proposal. accordingly, we do not ban as e-e rpt or as one of the designs e-e upt of the moscow patriarchate. we prohibit any religious formation that acts to the detriment of ukraine, but the fact of the matter is that we understand that this is not about it's not about religion church, this is about the structure of the fsb. come on, i’ll ask right away . is it possible that before the war, at least in terms of the number of parishes, there was the uoc mp or the russian orthodox church in ukraine ? at least parishes or such a decision is of interest to a certain extent, well, in the role of, as in the middle ages, dissidents were called, because at first they were precisely in the religious sense dissidents of dissidents, a huge

number of parishioners, will this not lead to such a split or a weakening of unity rather in society, let's talk about it, what are the risks of such a step, well, this is exactly what the parliament is, when it is not ready to accept it, it says, but how will the parishioners react, in addition to the mentioned brovary and konotop, where the rpc is prohibited, there is also a decision of the drohobytsky council, but if that is not enough, we will offer a mechanism for each believer can become a believer of the ukrainian orthodox er orthodox church of ukraine, and in fact, they also have the opportunity to go. therefore, what about an alternative path that is er used in fact, we understand that the faith is nominal, which is declared by the rpc and the orthodox church of ukraine, that is,

the same christian faith in the bible according to the orthodox ropes, therefore, for a person who is a true believer , for whom faith is important and religious practice is less important for her, it will definitely be good and special for that reason, when they ban the orthodox church from molensk, that's why this is the first aspect that other parliamentarians play with. when they talk about the fact that this draft law is not on time, and the second one is so very uh, unfortunately, it is clear that part rules of the coalition cooperates with the priests with the priest as a deterrent. who helped them win the elections of the majoritarians and they are simply not interested in these eyes? well, they are interested further in having these eyes support them and here, too, we can work with them. we think

of working with the fact that in this way you are nowhere well, you won't start a good state, and that's why these conversations are being held on the sidelines, and i really believe that these people will understand how much they are digging a hole for themselves and their banal pre-election interests will be gained and will be able to move because, well, for the sake of the normal future of our country. well, let's clarify what the synod of the orthodox church of ukraine responded to this , to these accusations. during the decades of its existence, the so-called uoc mp actually became the foundation of russian aggression, it is the metropole of the russian orthodox church, and it promoted and supported the

ideology of the russian peace in ukrainian society, which and which and became the foundation for the aggression against our country, it is this ideology of the fascist type that prevails in russia, one of the main creators of which is the head of the moscow patriarchate, kyrylo gundyaev, who is one of the main creators, inspirers and propagandists, was and remains the basis for justifying the war of russia against ukraine, occupation of our land, killing of our citizens, destruction of our cities and villages and the encroachment on the identity of this ukrainian people is stated in this statement of the synod and the psu so let andrii kovalev listen to mr. the bill will be brought to the floor. and the issue will be settled at the level of the parliament. what can we expect here? what are your predictions? look, andrei , by weight, register the law. it’s a stupid thing, not a trick. i ’m talking about the fact that the bills should be effective, effective means of combating the quasi

-religious organization, because it’s not a religious one. an organization, a religious organization that is part of russian aggression - this is putin's last hope in ukraine, the most important is his structure that he currently has in ukraine by the way, i think by the way, what is putin in many respects, when he considered starting a war against ukraine, a full-scale aggression, he relied in particular on the lie of the moscow patriarchate that they have 12,000 couples of the quality of ukraine, but even if they have such a number of parishes, it is actually terrifying . in my opinion, special methods of combating a quasi-religious organization, first of all, the bill should clearly state that all state-owned churches from this goat organization should be torn apart lease contracts, in particular, this applies to e.e. reserves of architectural monuments, and by the way,

these contracts can be terminated very easily due to non-fulfillment of these contracts. imagine in 30 steps, no one has conducted an analysis of the performance of lease contracts for kyiv-pechersk lavra 1,000 and once the contracts for the lease of the nature reserve for the lease of temple buildings were violated. the same applies to the pochaiv lavra. imagine in the pochaiv lavra during this time the security guards built a huge cathedral on the territory of the monument and all this is happening uh, because of huge corruption uh, in the ministry of culture, uh, and the following happened under the previous ministers and dozens of previous ministers - this is a special uh, uh, way of taxation, uh, of a quasi-religious organization with a spiritual center in ukraine, the aggressor, as soon as eh, taxation of all the activities of this quasi -religious organization will begin, you will see dozens of congregations, dozens of priests fleeing from this organization, nothing new. in many countries of the world,

religious organizations are taxed on their there is nothing strange here. the following is also an effective system of deprivation of benefits. as a quasi -religious organization with a spiritual center in ukraine, the aggressor, there is a whole pix system, in particular , benefits for communal services. only the rpc in ukraine will be deprived of these benefits. they will flee, well, there is, for example , a system of the church or about the orthodox church, a clergyman of this orthodox church they receive a salary from the state budget, you know, this has been a dream for 30 years, certain such decisions will be to hit first of all the pockets of the bishops themselves, the priests of the moscow patriarchate will be approved, you see how this structure is. at the moment, i do not see the political will of the authorities to make such decisions in order to really destroy the last

structure, the last hope of putin. who will comment on this right now we will register a draft law on the task of taxing vrpt and applying to the ministry of culture, because this is their authority to terminate the contract initiated by the kyiv-pechersk lavra, i.e. the project mentioned the complex is simply what is meant by the various changes to the various laws that would be carried out in a comprehensive manner. and this is one of the options, and in the near future there will be a hearing in the verkhovna rada where there will be a comprehensive analysis of this problem and check all the draft laws and also by-laws that need to be torn up or amended , and it is likely that the government will go to such things as early rather than simply prohibiting me. i am speaking from the fact that, well, the parliament is based on the climate,

which is now palpable in terms of mood, that is, likely the video is a very simple solution for you, for example, estonia, latvia, lithuania. well, in lithuania, at one time, i spoke with lithuanian politicians, they say that you know, we have such minimal support among the population of the russian orthodox church, it makes no sense to ban it in estonia, the situation was different in estonia the orthodox church was extremely strong, the estonians restored the effect of their law, which was adopted in the interwar period, which clearly defined that the head of the estonian orthodox church can only be the slovene patriarch in this is how all the orthodox parishes on the territory of estonia intercepted the ukrainian patriarch at that time in slavyansk patriarch pholomiy showed a very balanced position. by the way, he offered the then moscow patriarch a lecture to the people of europe to meet on neutral territory and reach an agreement on how to divide history. imagine what for native heroes, what an estonian german it was a blow below the belt, well, in this way they

met and decided that by means of a questionnaire they would conduct a survey of communities, a survey of parishes and the church will be divided between the soviet patriarchate and the moscow patriarchate, it is clear that because of this, you know, the fraternal, on the one hand, intelligent diplomatic position of bartholomew, which moscow always perceives as a position of weakness, well, there are about 30 left behind the russian orthodox church, and this is a female monastery, one and only in the estonian church, which actually, well, as a stronghold, as such, you know, the largest center of separatism there, the largest center of such tyranny in estonia. i think that the majority of parishioners of the so-called moscow patriarchy, they don't even imagine that they belong to the moscow patriarchate, in order for this quasi-religious structure to start pouring in, these people need to communicate, and first of all, you know, a stone in the garden, in fact, some bishops and priests of the orthodox church of ukraine

transfer to me, it happens where the bishop works, where working deacons, i.e., district priests, if they communicate with communities, if they communicate with other priests, they achieve certain things with a comfortable stroke, it should be prohibited with those people to communicate with these people, you need to follow the path of enlightenment and then there will be real results. thank you , it does not remove responsibility from the legislators. why are we waiting for the adoption of the necessary decisions that will stop the possibility of using the moscow patriarchate in ukraine as an instrument of hybrid aggression? i remember that all these talks about the fact that russian channels will cease to be popular, then we will calmly ban them or someday people will stop visiting and young people will be in contact and it will end by itself because they are all will become patriots, sometimes people need to be pushed because for this, in my opinion, there is, in fact, legislative, executive and judicial power,

including in order to be wise, and for this reason, they delegate this power and make decisions that help the country move faster even one and a half minutes to finish or soon the news with us is usually from a practical point of view, we are preparing with lawyers exactly recommendations as parishes should pass over time legal points for the parish complications that is, this is the first thing we prepare and the second we study the decisions of those local councils and we are popularizing among territorial communities to make similar decisions to the extent they are legal and how effective they are, so the communities that are hesitating, please use those believers if you allow the news to end, there will be a clear political will, the guarantor of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine remains the cashier of the moscow patriarchate, citizen vadim novinsky molsyan, who is the cashier of the moscow

patriarchate, who is often seen coming to the office of the president of his the guarantor is another richest oligarch in ukraine , that is, the authorities must clearly set their priorities , understand whether there is an instinct for self-preservation, if they have an instinct for the preservation of this state, they must cool down their decisions regarding certain people for whom, by the way, criminal cases have been pending for years, which for some reason are now suspended as soon as this will be done, you see that this structure will first be in effect somewhere in these situations, thank you and the spokesman of the 112th battalion of the territorial 19th brigade apologizes to the territorial defense of kyiv and also nataliya pipe, people's deputy of ukraine, were our guests at this hour and after the news, we will return and talk with danylo lubkiv diplomat and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine as a deputy