was in touch with us. in the meantime, we will finish our telemarathon segment in melitopol, the occupiers blew up an armored train in panivka, a powerful explosion began, a shootout began, locals reported explosions on the railway, partisans blew up an armored train of the russian occupiers, more about this in the next news release at 7:00 p.m.: 00 a.m. right now, watch the program of radio freedom, and from the prague studio, this part of the broadcast was conducted for you by maria gulska and andriy sachuk. thank you, andrii. thank you , maria. svoboda lime my name is vlad and lazur, we speak on the air of the espresso tv channel, as well as on the pages of radio svoboda on facebook and on youtube, where i encourage you to leave comments, the youtube algorithm works in this way: the more comments, the more people will see this broadcast 84th day we are analyzing the war for the next hour, we are monitoring the rescue of ukrainian soldiers from azovstal,

we will thoroughly return to this topic in a few minutes, and now about the trial of the russian soldier, today the examination of the merits of the case of the russian of the military vadym shishymarin, i will remind you that he is the first serviceman of the russian federation to be tried for a war crime in ukraine, he is accused of killing an unarmed man in sumy oblast. the suspect is 21-year-old vadym shishimarin, a native of the irkutsk region of the russian federation, and he was given a lawyer for free interpreter, this meeting is essentially taking place. that is, this is the second meeting. all procedural nuances were clarified before that, and accordingly, today the

suspect had the opportunity to address both the prosecutors and the judges, and this is what he said. please tell me, did you receive a copy of the indictment? in russian, yes, it is clear to you what this evening will be about. do you fully admit your guilt? prosecutors accuse shimarin of the murder of an unarmed ukrainian, a 62-year-old civilian in sumy oblast, according to the version of the investigation shishimarov, fleeing from the armed forces of ukraine with a few colleagues, first stole a civilian car, and then we saw a civilian and so that he would not inform about their location, they opened

fire on him . admits his guilt, let's listen to what the suspect's lawyer says. he does not deny the event itself, the fact that it happened, but as a specialist in the field of law, i have certain doubts about the qualification of this crime. and there is only i spoke with the mother of the defendant before us, er, i was interested in his condition, she was interested in er, in general, the situation that developed in this criminal proceeding, i provided her with all the necessary explanations and everything was taken prisoner, shi shimarine surrendered himself, according to his lawyer may be a mitigating circumstance a circumstance during the court's verdict. however, if the suspect manages to prove to the judge that he surrendered

before being captured by the armed forces of ukraine, he was not motivated to save his life, but let's say from the motives of remorse to the word when sheshorin says that he opened fire on a civilian due to the order of a special agent, then the ukrainian investigation has a different version, let's listen to the incorrect statement that someone gave him an order, he was given an instruction at the same time . how they got into the car in which they fled towards the russian border , they were not familiar with the shishimarine, the next court hearing in the case is scheduled for tomorrow that is, on may 19, he will appear in court as a witness for the prosecution. one of the secret service officers, who is shimarina, will also be on the side of the victims. also, the

prosecutors are ready to show evidence, meaning the assault rifles from which the russian soldiers were shot according to the version of the ukrainian civilian investigation. thank you very much, taras. taras levchenko is watching over trial of russian servicemen well, we return to mariupol and the azovstal plant in the ministry of defense of russia claim that from the blocked azovstal plant in mariupol it turned out almost a thousand ukrainian fighters, the official representative of the ministry of defense of russia declares that a total of 959 people surrendered, including 80 wounded , of which 51 people were taken to the hospital in novoazovsk, this is the occupied part of the donetsk region, the exit of the defenders from mariupol, the russian occupation forces call it a surrender, while the ukrainian side declares that the operation to save the mariupol garrison is ongoing. by the way, the ukrainian side reported the day before about 264

fighters, it was noted that there would be an exchange ahead, the russian side does not confirm the exchange at least so far, officially and loudly the day before, the western media reported that a dozen buses with ukrainian soldiers left azovstal under the control of the russian occupiers, the wounded were taken to novoazovsk, the rest was only olenivka, this is also the occupied territory of the donetsk region, where one of the occupiers' filtration camps is located. russia could agree to the evacuation of troops from azov steel to announce as soon as possible that mariupol has been taken this is reported by the american institute for the study of war, as well as american analysts. they assume that the kremlin could to agree to an agreement in order to deflect criticism in social networks about the failure on the siverskyi donka well, in general, hmm, a counteroffensive, say the analysts who contacted us vera myronova, doctor

of science in military political science. very often they were present as a party to the negotiations during the exchange the complexity of why it is mariupol that these fighters have become like this , er, a touchstone, explain, well, love negotiations about any exchange, this is a very difficult process, absolutely any and er , the azov question has become this well, this is very important for both sides, therefore, naturally, both sides very seriously, absolutely everything is possible, well, at the negotiations in their positions, that is, that is what they

did now. we see it now, it is published by a foreign agency, for example, i am not a specialist, i do not see people there who can be identified as representatives of the red krystan, for example, because the ukrainian side declares that there is an exchange, and this evacuation is taking place with the support of many international organizations that's what you see in these frames. in the sense that i see, i see what the fighters are carrying, and that is, that there are no representatives of the red party, stop these frames. well, for example, there are no questions about this first of all, let's not forget that the red cross will not go to the dog, we're going to a hot place. yes, i don't imagine myself at all. how would their safety allow all of them to let this person go? and recalculate that n arrived and n respectively is in the

hospital but that they are not on the footage well, as it were ok well, there well at least we see only russian military there well at least one can identify the poet with a white armband well, okay then it is precisely who takes them who takes them and takes them here in the buses. well, it can be anything. the main thing is that in the future, that is, they are. the main thing is that they know for sure that they are all overwritten . that is, how should it be done, for example, everyone who is an intermediary in a-a in this exchange, you fight in this, but the fact that they are not there on the video. on video yes but if we are talking about this other organizations, and so on, on the contrary, they are against being on video on anyone, you shoot here, don’t shoot

here, because only for your propaganda , you need to show that they did it, they are some kind of red cross. why is it not a problem? well , it’s actually interesting because you are a specialist, you know more. and why, from your point of view, is there such a different rhetoric? that's why, when the process began, in russia, they began to declare that they had surrendered. it is not yet a fact that they were returned. tak dalee such an aggressive one the rhetoric has begun. well, because they all have aggressive rhetoric, they sell these news in their own market, so to speak, at home. yes, that is what they want to hear . - good. let them say that i don't know. recently, my brother was taken to the soldiers by another company. the main thing is that they were on the way out. the main thing is that they were all read and no one went missing.

and how do they say it? well, it's just not important . because earlier if there we will analyze some statements before the war and many of them turned out to be completely crazy there, let's start bombing kiev and everything else, that's why now when some statements are already being heard from the russian side, i'm already discussing and analyzing all of this because well, it might just be that they say that, and it might not be just that, no, i agree with you that this is important, but we don't know what happens behind closed doors. that is very often, well, sometimes the series happens very often . so even in some negotiations of such a plan, it is discussed how it will be called and how in what numbers how will it be in general a-a but for example, again , for example, some negotiator he must be officially a - and in general well, they call him yes, that's what i

wanted, that's the next question. do you think that they will be exchanged, and that's what will depend on that, that's the next exchange. what do you think and how soon can it happen? again, i don't know that now i already said that it is there naturally we see only what they sell russian propaganda to us from that side yes, but that is, this is considered well, a good sea of ​​information yes, at best, it is wrong, boring, that is, but of course there are a lot of negotiations behind closed doors on this topic, but for example, at the same time, such events as in kiev, it happened in sutka, he says that the correspondent was covering you. this is the fight that happened, for example, in kharkov now . well, the forensic experts wrote off the arrival, and the russian military troops are there in principle lay in the freezer for a month and in russia it was, in principle, complete, the same as denmark, that is, there is clearly

some kind of movement, then well, there is a lot of things that we do not know, that is, 99%, as if we simply do not know what we agreed on, we can only guess and more plus it is not clear what is from turkey , because in turkey, for example, yes, they already asked that they be part of the negotiations there, then everything is like, if they are angry, then they told you in nato that they directly and-and someone else that they, well, put barbie on it we do not know what events are connected here such are not what is happening with closed doors? well, they will be exchanged. well, i am almost confident. and tell me, please, do you have a feeling, or maybe there is a conclusion. you can see by some signs that m-m in this exchange accepts uh. involvement of some third party well, for example , turkey, what is it that they talk about in skola, but there are no official messages, too, well, i will practically return there if 34-5 the sixth party, which takes different roles to varying degrees, yes, no, thank you best wishes to you, dr. vera myronova

of military political science was on radio svoboda, we talked about the exchange of fighters from azov well, we have a video of the fighters evacuated from azov who were brought to a colony in the occupied olenivka in the donetsk region, let's see

after the removal of the fighters blocked on azov to the territory controlled by russia, the ministry of defense of ukraine was informed that the military will be returned home through the exchange procedure, i remind you, however, the state duma of russia, that is, the russian parliament, proposes to ban this the day before, the speaker of the state duma of russia, vyacheslav vladan, said that i am quoting the military criminals cannot be exchanged for prisoners and should be brought to trial. this is how the possessions reacted to the proposal of another russian deputy to adopt a ban on the exchange of soldiers of the azov regiment. the corresponding project in the duma is called the prevention of the exchange of nazi criminals. does not have, however, we will monitor well, besides, everyone wants to declare the azov regiment a

terrorist organization, at least for now, the ministry of justice of russia reports that the administrative case about the recognition of the azov regiment as a terrorist organization is scheduled for trial on may 26, that is, there will be a trial and we will also monitor this. why russia, mariupol, if the kremlin agreed to the exchange of mariupol defenders, then why did rather aggressive rhetoric begin there? the previous speaker said that this is aimed at exclusively for the domestic consumer to explain it to its citizens in this way. but maybe it's not quite so with us, contact ilya ponomarev, russian opposition politician, deputy of the state duma 7-16th year, we are you greetings good day well, from your point of view, why exactly when the fighters began to leave azovstal, when the ukrainian side announced that there is hope that there will be a possible exchange in the russian duma

, discussions began about the fact that it is impossible to exchange them for fighters and azov, what does this indicate you, well, first of all, this is such an internal political game, er, there are certain needs, er, and they usually draw attention to themselves and their positions. well, mr. zolovdan, he er, generally tries to play the role of such a not the most firmly, they are more loyal supporter of ivan kuchyn and well, he always says everything, this is the most aggressive position. well, there is a certain part of society that listens to unfortunately, russian television and on it. they always say that if this is a special operation not against neo-nazis, then none of these neo-nazis

should survive, but who well, the nazis are the azofs. ugh , it is directed at the internal viewer, the consumer of the viewer. i don't know how else to say it , of course 100%. this is an internal matter, but unfortunately it can become our business and the business of our boys who may suffer because of such volodin's statement, because if a man is not only er, ilya, we have something with a sample today , by the way, i quoted the institute for the study of war, analysts reported that russia could agree to the

evacuation of the military in order to announce the capture of mariupol as soon as possible. and i really don't understand the logic because if this is a work for their internal audience, they already showed the marches from mariupol on may 9. why show it again , they could already show that mariupol is russian, in fact, they say that all the time no well, what about the main message? well, we know that the main message is the fight against the nazis, and these are different things. the first thing was the taking of mariupol, and the other thing is the defeat of the neo-nazis, and of course it is not explained in the russian media space. to society as such a loud and very serious victory over the nazi

azov regiment and here too by the way i quoted today the ministry of justice of russia allegedly asked the supreme court to recognize azov as a terrorist organization the trial may take place on may 26 and by the way i did not know if have already announced it will definitely happen or they can still win and why should they do it and again they decided to do it after the fighters began to leave for growth well, in fact, here is the main threat there because if azov is recognized as a terrorist organization by the way, i am very i am surprised that this was not done for this purpose in the past years, but if he is recognized as a terrorist organization, then our fighters will be considered terrorists and here is the case when the law has a way back that is, on their feet. this will spread, and then they

cannot be tried by the military, as it should be according to the geneva agreements, and they will be tried as terrorists and with all the consequences. and then it will somehow affect the exchange. well , also because well, if you see, for example, the crimean tatars are no longer being changed, the russian federation is almost not changing, even with all our efforts, but they are not giving them up. why? because they consider them to be their terrorists ? otherwise, and then they are not subject to exchange, and this will be such an additional argument, er, because of which moscow and

mr. putin will sign the article. well, as recently as yesterday, in fact, some ukrainian commentators, including political journalists, began to admit that putin allegedly simply deceived the ukrainian negotiators or the ukrainian authorities, they say. he agreed to the exchange. and now he changed his mind, and that is why this discussion in the state duma arose. in the fact that putin does not comply with the agreements, but on the other hand, volodymyr zelenskyi said that a lot of authoritative international organizations are involved in this special operation, well, look, the main thing is that they lived. well, this is the first, but what will happen next? the fact that mr. putin will abide by the agreement is

not surprising. it is a pity that they are changing their position now, but they have already lived and they are real heroes and the very fact of the struggle that will take place around them and so on will also be help in our country and in general let me ask you about the war, does putin now have at least any options to rewind and somehow i don't know how to give in hmm stop the war or will it go to the end and then what might this end look like this end will be the end putin and nothing else will be there, the war will not end on the territory of ukraine, the war will end on the territory of the russian federation, and it is in moscow

that we should expect nothing else. and we need to work on it so that it happens sooner if possible so that if less ukrainians die on the way thank you very much for the comment ilya ponomaryov of russian opposition politics, member of the state duma 7-16 years was on radio freedom ukrainian military continues counteroffensive in kharkiv oblast most intensive combat operations continue under the occupied city of izyum, radio svoboda correspondent serhiy horbatenko reached the outskirts of izyum, where he recorded the stories of teroboronov soldiers. listen , russian troops occupied their homes and families and they are trying to free zagarbane, now the battalion of the izyum district air defense is holding lines in the izyum direction, where the kremlin has planned

an offensive in the direction of slovyansk, the enemy is constantly shelling our positions with variable artillery cartridges, the artillery also civilians are also flying to them to eat, houses were destroyed last week e- there was shelling, too, cassettes. well, there was also a man who could not be saved. our brother died. that's why we have 300 all the time. let's say it's all direct contact shelling. there is no constant shelling. yes, the battalion is ready. the guys rush into battle, we have something to take it away for the noise, it is worth it simply during our stay at the positions after the shelling, an orange cloud rises above the ground, the fighters see this not for the first time, they say that they do not feel the impact on health later , the head of donetsk region, pavlo kyrylenko, explained that the

concentration of chemical substances in the area of ​​the explosion it is normal, but the cloud after the explosion was formed by ammonium nitrate, it is not a dangerous substance, noted kyrylenko, and while this cloud floats, it is time to remember the raisins, this is my home, my country, my parents, wife, children live here well, that's why we're all here, er, then russia was opposed by er, let's say the gates of tereo and a company of paratroopers, well , they stood to the last and they got bogged down. by aviation in such conditions, the teroborona successfully carried out orders, for example, they protected the strategic fuel supply of kharkiv oblast, a group of ours arrived

at the auto base and on the first day captured the versalt, and on the third day, the complete evacuation of fuel began side of the order of a million liters of diesel fuel and in fact on the third day shelling of the areas of the scientific bus station began, the group would have been conducted professionally and there were no losses and in fact for 10 days we held the defense of the bus base, and the teroboronov troops took civilians out of the shelling of the russian army, bypassing the pseudokabant several of his comrades were left with a shelled bus and shrapnel wounds from those flights, well , there was no shelling of the green corridors. my last flight was, so to speak , when four tanks came out from behind, how can it be later found out what happened in 4 tanks, started with a direct attack on the bus of the bus, the truth is that it will not

be left, the bus burned down completely with me, there were two servicemen, also our raisin boys, hooked me in the arm and hooked another boy, the one who covered the women with himself. he was just taking the last ones he put two people from the bus on the ground and covered him with himself already after leaving prison, these fighters also helped to evacuate the civilians of severodonetsk lysychansk and lyman under shelling , some civilians came to izyumsk and itro they didn't hold weapons in their hands, now kombat says it's other people, they've gained experience in both, there are constant shootings and classes, various weapons are available, from several mosin rifles of the 33rd year to modern small arms and anti-tank weapons from western partners