means evidence that our armed forces do their job well and give a feeling of safety, security and reliability, and because of that some people in the offices of power begin to feel so carefree that they have time for intrigues and i turn to mr. or mrs. on whom it depends i really ask you not to do nonsense and return the digital broadcasting system espresso tv channels direct and fifth - turn on these channels we want to see them back full information field fifth espresso tv and direct since every combat unit that will approach the victory of ukraine as soon as possible is written on this flag, let's not take

any actions during the war that would cause destructiveness inside us. i want to express my support for the espresso channel and it insists that this channel has returned to the usual information space espresso is unified, everything is called to return express to the air and return all disconnected channels to the air because these channels work for ukraine glory to ukraine president zelensky return express let's protect the information front together. glory to ukraine from the military. dear relatives, i am addressing my daughter. greetings from all of us with concern for everyone. i wish you health with support and it will be well. we will win

. victory is only ahead. glory to ukraine, we remember , we can win, yes, we can, you see that we are already in the basement, you can't wait for fedin's brand and you won't find out what is happening in russia, there are some opportunities there, but you will listen bortnikov more than feygin, do you mean it? it might be more interesting, it might not. who likes who likes it

shorter . obviously, this applies only to the left bank, because the right bank of belarus, which was greek-catholic until the beginning of the 19th century, even excluding shevchenko, could be baptized into the uniate church, and this was strictly eradicated by the tsarist regime after the second world war the war logically took place on a large scale in zakarpattia after gaining independence, many have already remained in orthodoxy, how is this fundamentally different from the russian schism, which will lose the connection with its church. the former ones of the russian empire, which belonged to the republic of poland before 1700, 1793, in short, a principled answer. i only have one, and the russian orthodox church is a foreign church. and all ukrainian

churches are ukrainian, which means that they moved to from ugcc to rpc, but the question is that we will figure it out here on our land with our churches . another question. i think they really talked about the fact that we didn't have the old rite. ukrainians really didn't lose touch with the church because the russians switched to these books to pray to, but that was in the 17th century. 16 it was a long time ago when for people, the church was the main shelter i would told the identity and when it was in that or even more often deeds i no longer say practically in 45 there were many shelters of the identity of ukrainians even in the lviv region or there in the ternopil region to this day there was a greek catholic church somewhere, well, i like it, besides the church, there were already the language was established, there was a culture, there was a history, the truth is that all of

us are our own here in these lands, and therefore simply by destroying the church, it was not possible to destroy the ukrainian language, and indeed people could lose contact with the church to a certain extent, but they did not lose the connection with ukraine yes or in tsarist russia there were other parallels there, people lost connection with the sevka, they lost connection with morality right there and then, why did i talk about this ? go to the orthodox church, but you are still a moral person. you were brought up in certain values, and this seems absolutely obvious to me. by the way, i wanted to tell you, if we are talking to you, you know the story that happened with the macedonian church these weeks, it is instructive. the story is simply a very instructive story, how in principle it changes under the influence of the war in ukraine , all these political processes in the world before the patriarchy, they were generally the macedonian church left

the serbian church in 1967, it seems 164 and they were outside the world orthodoxy and even when the patriarch bartholomew the second gave the tomos to the er and said the macedonian church is a completely different story. it was included in the tomos immediately there these metropolitans were listed and and and and the macedonian one. yes, it was called the okhryn metropolis. it was there and it seemed that this question cannot be resolved here. suddenly the salon of the ecumenical patriarchate gathers and says, you know, we recognize the okhryn metropolis. archiepiscopal canonical church, we are returning ilona to the world orthodoxy and there is a status - this is let the status of the serbian orthodox church be decided, but we believe that they are already a part of our orthodox education russian orthodox journalist mykola, what are they doing, o

raskol patriarchalamiy, schismatics, not only to our russian territory, to our brothers, to all occupations, all serbian newspapers that are oriented towards moscow , that's how raskolnik varfolomei, what kind of bastard gathers himself in the tsarist orthodox church and says so, we recognize this decision of the slovak patriarch if he believes that it is canonically a church. we think so too, we do not grant them autocephaly. but we believe that they are in the bosom of orthodoxy. they serve together in the saint sava cathedral in belgrade and a russian orthodox journalist, oh, they solved this riddle for me. and now they are on duty that within a month the serbian orthodox church is going to appeal to the ecumenical patriarch to grant the macedonian church so that means they simply divorced russian patriarch kirill and the company

but why? because the serbian orthodox church also feels that something is changing in the world and that it can no longer count on the support of moscow . talked with mark after before uh, anxiety, what else can putin do, what does he have up his sleeve, what does patriarch kirill have up his sleeve, nothing, nothing. well, it's important that we're always looking for what they're somehow a hare or something you you no, well, many people if do you remember before the ukrainian tomos and during the ukrainian tomos they talked about the fact that the only option for cyril would be the recognition of the ukrainian orthodox church of the kyiv patriarchate and then in this way well, somehow ukrainians would not want to quarrel with us, that is, and the ecumenical patriarch says ok and the moscow patriarch says ok and everyone says ok, everything is fine well, but they got into the business let's say so, the second question is also for some reason religious, you repeatedly

mentioned the term whose church is that and the state, how do you rate the sufficiency that the greek-catholic mukachevo diocese stands on the positions of non -unification from the ugcc, as it is considered to be due to hungarian- slovak influences, are there any chances for this position to change now, i know about the mukachevo diocese, no, i don't think so . it is not a part of the russian world. i don't know if you know, dear viewers, that bukovyna metropolis was in general an independent orthodox metropolis, completely independent under the ecumenical patriarch until 19-20-1920, because there was such a separate process that everyone forgot about the separate karlovy vary orthodox church with its center in the city of strymske, karlova, what is the territory of what is it now, now is austria-hungary to feed the orthodox

of austria-hungary, the carnavata orthodox church was created, which received the tomos. tomos from the patriarch of ecumenical world war ii well , first of all, but the austrians said listen to the bukovina metropolis, bukovina is a separate principality , therefore the bukovina metropolis cannot be a spice of the karlovy vary church and was a separate metropole for the orthodox bukovina metropolis and now we know what the romanian bukovina metropolis did, here we know that in bukovyna to the letter in chernivtsi this huge chamber of the metropolitan yes yes yes yes what is chernivtsi university now, the beauty is incredible and why is he like that in chernivtsi sitting exactly like eh the level of patriarch kirill, the level of metropolitan epiphanius, and well, that's how history unfolds, here in mukachevo it's such and such a bucket of these, church history is not political, but i always have only one thought, if there are no traces of moscow there, we want

moscow here, is it all somehow early or not it's late because it's because of the pen through the russian church that you can say that this russian world is being incorporated. i have a problem with the questions because i can't read them. we don't have them. well, we have them. you have questions. there are questions. no, why do we have them? question it's just necessary, that's the question, quite recently, for a long time, the authorities at the pseudo-general marathon were taunting the red cross, it wouldn't have been like that, but only now thanks to him, it was possible to do something with the people of azov, not to hear an apology." captured fighters will now be taken out of prison for years, this has already happened with prisoners, but all around is silent, do not disturb, in fact, people are being silenced. well, first of all, i think that we really do not have to analyze the situation very much now with permission until it comes to some kind of e -is he understood well, i will tell you again and again, because

i always try to understand when i criticize someone. god, i should do it very modestly, but i would do it if i were the supreme commander, president, general, and you have no way to unblock the kid, and i sit and i look at this situation and think what would i do, and when i understand that i should do and it is something logical. then i start to criticize . from the point of view of relations with the red cross and maybe with erdogan, maybe with someone else, maybe with someone else, well , maksym says that they can try to take these people hostage, but the chance is used that it will not happen correctly, it will not happen, that with the help of international organizations, the red cross , the united nations i hope it was possible to liberate these people,

but it's war again, but you ca n't do anything, especially with such a predatory and insidious enemy as russia, who can be trusted in principle it is impossible and almost everyone in the world will already be convinced. where does such logic come from, in principle, i am actually in the ukrainian government all the time, meaning since the 14th year. why can't you end the war with putin ? campaign of the 19th year. then zelensky asked poroshenko why they started asking zelensky himself, as if they did not know this situation, as if there were two more. well, to end the war, there must be the will of both sides, no less people, i would say. i think that a huge part of our compatriots still lives in the soviet union mentally, they don't even suspect it, as if the soviet union could solve everything because it was a super power, if he wants to end the war, then the war will end, if i want

to continue, he will end the war, but now the soviet union is on the other side of the border we are not the soviet union, we are a country that successfully defends itself thanks to our soviet union with the soviet union, but the soviet union does not want to end the war, i will even tell you more, he will continue it as long as he has enough power, opportunities , as much time as he has opportunities, putin will fight, shoot, destroy, advance , retreat, return again if ukrainian society does not agree with what was a great pity . of course now , first all of mariupol, then in azovstal 80 how many days will there be three more, just now meet and protect and prevent the russians from advancing further into the donbas, we were taught to remember in soviet schools er, about the brest fortress and two months after

the germans had already advanced there not from me 100 km and they stood and got the fortress before that it was done by the poles they kept it as a coach and after that it was done by the germans when is there still such a fortress that’s how everyone is there the good zones behaved heroically because there were opportunities and they, every time, both the poles and the soviet troops and the nazis detained the enemy in this, the essence of such miss azovstal was practically an improvised fortress, it was not created as a fortress, we forgot in general, we are such fortresses were only seen in the movie game of thrones, well , really, because they don’t exist in our modern history, and everyone in israel compares it to the fortress of masada, yes. by the way, it’s a very similar thing there , they kept the roman troops there for months and ended their lives by suicide. and i absolutely do not i want the people of azov to end their lives by suicide, i.e. above,

when it was masada, how many thousands ago was it, a new one, no less than two, no less, and here we have a chance to save these people, there is a chance, and it was clear that this could not last forever, because some on the 90th day, they would indeed continue to receive russians, but they would begin to die en masse from wounds , from hunger, from the lack of water, moreover, as far as i understand, in april there was a conversation between mr. zelenskyi and those people, and surrender was discussed among the options, and it was they who told me that we did nothing we will continue. well, this is from a strategic point of view. again, i do not want to go into any military matters here, but this is a very important act from the point of view of precisely the fact that they did not allow large parts of the russian troops will continue to the donbas, what do the russians want, they really captured 90% of luhansk region, but

it is much more difficult for them to capture donetsk region, what do they need to do, they need to capture all these areas in order to carry out the process of their corporation in russia, we understand what will happen next, they will simply be annexed to russia like crimea and this, by the way, without even a fake referendum, and just like that, they will write ashan in crimea, they did not write in crimea, they showed one on the whole crimea that what no, but then again, the question is whether the azov people are really returned to ukraine and did the government do the right thing by guessing such conditions? well, first of all, we don't know what conditions we know. in general, all these negotiations are there. what does turkey say ? participation because there was a lot of greek population in mariupol mariupol and so on and so on and so on here, what is the important thing here, first of all, the russians can throw everyone uh-uh, with whom they negotiate , there is such a danger, but these international organizations

also think that they have some leverage influences are not just like that, let's meet and talk, because this is an exchange of something for something, the fact that putin may at some point spit on this exchange is another question, but that there is no need to do anything, sit at home, nothing more. i think that there will be a big problem for the russians and about the russians have thousands of these captives, i am convinced that the ukrainians will want the ukrainian authorities to come and exchange a thousand for 100 there or a thousand for 200 or a thousand for 300. i don’t know, we simply don’t even know how many people there are defenders of ukraine and but well, that means that russians do not care about their own people, not about ukrainians. and about their own russians, who are now captured by the ukrainians , and they are convinced that they are ready to exchange ukrainians . and will the russians want this exchange, considering what we know about the russian state duma, they will not want to, they will

say that we do not need their own. well, in short this is such a story, you know, ah, how is it, they don’t cry after february 24th, well, what can we do next, what can we be sure about, yes, what we are talking about until february 24th, but this is already such evidence b b without without absolutely no appeal because i always if i were to be very careful about this, but i would absolutely not be surprised by any meanness of russia, putin, the russian command, etc., etc., russian followers always blame the ukrainian government, the ukrainian government may be counting on something, we may be wrong somewhere, but we understand absolutely clearly that our military command wants to be released my people, but look at what i was told about this in some program. i remember that i heard conversations about khersonshchik when it was not

clear whether the russians would capture him or not. and i heard from people of kherson, our government forgot about the supply of medicines, our government forgot about the supply of this and that, they forgot about us. i always think that it is the impression that it is ukraine that attacked kherson and i want to buy it. not a single word was said by these individual people about putin , pro-army, pro-russian policy, etc. there was a lot of this until recently in ukraine now it’s less but there was all the politics of the upsj that was about it and why don’t you come to an agreement and why don’t you fulfill the minsk conditions and why did they give something like that you know the impression that we attacked russia and and us forced to sign and we don't want to fulfill this moment

ht no matter how i feel about the government. but it was necessary to make it so that you think how are you now without vitaly talking in russian, the russians did not attack yes oh look here they have presenters in russian all the best no no good we need to help chem zhizn normally they can then work on the tv channel rain how that's why it 's still absolutely absurd absurd conversations, when criticism starts, when suspicion starts, when such questions start, well, people have the right to ask questions, after all, not only journalists have the right to ask questions, any person has the right to ask questions, it's our business answer if you have accumulated there or what observations have changed to what extent ukrainian society has changed as a result of the political war, mentally, what will ukrainian society be like the society after the victory, i don't know what the

society will be like to create. i think you don't know and no one even can. i hope we have to live to win. and secondly, we will find out very quickly . europe and the first reforms that will come true or not come true because in our country each of us lives in his own bubble to a certain extent yes, and when we are now tsibulino well, you see, everyone understood everything, everyone noticed everything, you go down to some kind of bomb shelter where people come from some regions of different and you hear something there that you didn't even expect to hear, that's what you 're saying, these accusations and these words. they didn't run away with moral truths. that is, we don't know this. i tell people all the time, they say that there will be a victory and you will see what i say.

listen, don't do anything empty for now. you can be so shocked by the results. there are people who at first also thought that there was a big emigration. people they are going to europe, they will come back enlightened. and now i am receiving information from europe that there are different ones who are studying in europe and there are those who are studying in european countries, what are they like in our country? that and why not, that's that and they didn't give that to me why did they give me only that, that's understandable, and that's it, there's nothing strange about that, people are different in general, that's why we have societies again, we still have and we're working why are we even sitting on this air, we're working on so that our society it was the only thing that it should be ukrainian, that it should be patriotic, but you have to understand that the borders of this are expanding slowly, war. of course, this is a serious concussion for many people who

live in different unconsciousness of people, but to say that all 40 million will become wonderful patriots in one day, in one day, i am not like that it's hard for me to imagine, i want to convince you again that many people explain their illusions to themselves in a completely different way than it seems to us. maybe we didn't finish something, maybe the president provoked putin, we heard it all too how many times did both presidents say at the beginning that i would agree if he did not engage in rockets flying? we had to agree with ourselves that it ended in every step of the president and everyone had already learned about military affairs. it would be solid clausers. we should advance like this, not retreat like this, deputy. here is a recipe for how in israel

it will be necessary to create a commission that is generally engaged in the research of what was before the child and what happened during the war and you will clearly say it was so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so the analysis still you know the discussion is still ongoing in the kherson region. what happened there? why did they pass? well, it is necessary to get a journalistic answer to this, but after the war ends, so that there is a clear analysis, there was a deputies commission, or something else, a state commission that will be created with various political sons of independence specialists, participants of the events to express themselves that they told this within the framework of secrecy within the framework of secrecy so that the society would say no , we did not have such opportunities verses such reasons and there was such an opportunity, but it was not used there. well, this question is always simple, this question is if it was done intentionally, this is a question of criminal

responsibility if it is a political mistake. well, please go to the elections and vote under those conditions, you trust everything and more by the way, i am not talking about the fact that politics is arranged in such a way that someone takes responsibility himself, someone does not want to himself, then the voters, the voters, very often evaluate the winners not as the winner wants the political fate of churchill, good uh, we would like it, well, the british i wish the prime minister built everything on the fact that the tension remains even after the war, and his opponent atli said no, no, peace, of course , we live in a different world. we don't need this social escalation, and it will happen here, i think it will happen in ukraine too a big problem, i predict a big problem for mr. zelensky, who if he wants to be re-elected, it seems to me that it will be a big historical mistake. if he had not gone for a second term, he would have been the winner. we

have a religious question again, how can you explain it ? the indifference of the authorities to the activities of the ukrainian orthodox church, taking into account their vile russian position of the uoc of the moscow tsar well, it seems to me that it is not the government at all although there is a discussion now and we know that oksana savchuk registered the decision of the verkhovna rada to ban but until i understood that this is a natural person of the constitution, what a dear so what did we ban you? what does it mean that we banned you from society? you understand, you can ban anything. and when the communist party of ukraine was banned, how many members and activists did it have? 50 members of the crippled team. and if you speak this language, the communist uoc of the moscow patriarchate, i'm sorry, we saw it on the passport, not many, many. and if you don't go to the temple yourself, you can't forbid anything

. that they will think that there is simply no grace in those churches. grace is not communist ideology . this is also a continuation of your thesis, but there is a lot of soviet. what did the government say? everyone went to the left and everything depends on the people, if you are a parishioner and you take some steps against the wind of the moscow patriarchate, then it does, then it will disappear. and if you think, will the president tell me, or will the prime minister tell me about the macedonian church, i'm telling you, there is no, there was never a true serbian patriarchate, which of "appeared its own, they all lament the problems in the serbian church, there were problems to create a small one there, and the macedonians all went to their church because they are macedonians. he said, oh, there is no grace, there is no lawsuit. but this is our church, our macedonian, we will be with it in grief and in the joy of grace in its absence. and if

you have a different position, if you do not consider ukraine to be the end of your state, you have certain uh, many of our citizens had it, i hope that now it is not, and if for you the church of ukraine is not the church of ukraine - it's not, well, then, what does the president have like a gun at you, or how is it, here, there, go, pray, go, pray, here, yes, we're actually finishing our conversation today, we'll see what you mean in 30 seconds. if you see, we'll answer your question next p' slaughter house now, write, knock, it will be opened for you, as i want to remind you that we are not priests to find out, but we are happy to answer even these difficult questions, as we see, and now we are transferring our broadcast to our colleagues from radio svoboda and we hope that our colleagues will already

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