the construction of the pier and in less than 15 years the settlement was declared a city and renamed berdyansk during the second world war nazi troops entered berdyansk and mercilessly destroyed its inhabitants and infrastructure but we know that ukrainians cannot be defeated berdyansk unconquered today we live in a lot of pain and even more great of love love lives under a medical gown, a fire-resistant suit, a volunteer vest , a petticoat, a plate-carrying apron, and under a green fleece sweater ukraine cannot be divided because it is sewn together

a strong thread of love that runs through all of us amen , when your task is to lead the country to victory, this is the cause of my life, you do everything in your power for this, we approach this issue very, very specifically, we congratulate general valery , the hardworking life of our ukrainian citizens is the highest value under by his wise command, making possible the impossible for the people not to serve, the armed forces of ukraine are destroying the second army of the world. glory to the heroes of ukraine on the volunteer front in the international sports arena. good evening. we are from ukraine. we are strong in spirit and will not

defend our land. unbreakable free news continues and the 1+1 tv channel continues to work for you. the day of may 20 is already coming to an end. literally in an hour it will be may 21, and this year in ukraine it is on this day that the day is celebrated europe we traditionally celebrate europe day in may, and now we want to

talk with our live guests about how much we have gotten closer to europe since the moment in 2013 when we were outraged by the postponement or refusal to sign the agreement on associate membership. now we have come to 2022 is the year when we are already talking about the fact that we can become candidates for membership of the european union. well, we will discuss the topic of how european we are with our guests. of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, as well as the well -known ukrainian marketer andriy fedoriv e good evening glory to ukraine good evening in our narrow circle in the nigrom topic, how many europeans are we, we just found such a test on the internet

how european are you? collectively, and the answer was that you must have been in europe on vacation, that is , we are europeans, this test was not recognized, friends, but i have a common question for you, if you took the test for us ukrainians or to determine to what extent we are europeans. questions you asked yes, maria, let's start with you, please. thank you very much, and i think that these tests are definitely made there not according to the profiles of europeanness. we are historically definitely europeans, not only geographically, the largest country in europe, but we created european history in many spectrums, the constitution and our history were the first to be written, when we played a significant role in the creation of various states, when we became part of

various states and eras, so i would definitely see here some historical questions, and not geographically, how many times have you traveled abroad? well, if it is technically already included in the association agreement, i posed the question in a different way, according to the professional level. i look at it in a completely different way, because for me it is precisely european - this is me such a concept as mainp, yes, this is a way of thinking - this is a format of thinking - this is what values, uh, determine your daily behavior, i would take the test in the first place in this case ukraine of ukrainians attitude and this and the fact that i have been observing europe for 15 years, first as a tourist, then as a person who opened certain businesses there, that they have a fanatical

attitude to rules and laws, where in ukraine , a person thinks that, well, once it will be such a small exception. yes well, once i'll go to a red light or once on a ski lift, i'll cut it a little . i have probably now one of the fundamental things that distinguish europe, the second point, we once had access to very interesting studies that compared the values ​​of people in different countries and we looked at the comparison of the values ​​of russia, ukraine and poland, the only thing is that it was about 10 years ago and there was a very interesting thing er, significant value for russia at that time it was actually a-a debt debt and i don’t know

how it is exactly, i translate it in ukrainian yes debt to the motherland debt to the team that is, you must not fail, you must do what because in paradoxically, at that time, ukraine had a rather active desire to appear better than it is, to look cooler than it is, in a paradoxical way. and it was quite a fundamental thing, which decreased a little bit, because in poland the desire to enjoy everyday life was already expressed that is, it is not so much about looking cool as it is about really enjoying yourself, and i would say that the way to europe is exactly it seems to me that in a certain sense, it consisted in the rejection of synthetic values ​​​​to appear and the transition to

real values. when you want to receive satisfaction with social life, i.e. not alone behind the fence and together with those people who are your neighbors, for example, satisfaction with the fact that we can now allow ourselves to enter into any discussions and be frank, that's why i want to ask ms. maria and you must have noticed how andriy started talking about european starting with the rules and adhering to the smallest rules how can you evaluate your colleague on the air i don't know if you only hear us or you see us as well but andriy is now driving and talking to us behind the wheel how you can evaluate compliance with the rules. andrii is driving. this question was before malaria. okay. and you

will be very happy. andrii will answer for himself. the truth is, because according to the rules, a person cannot touch the phone. according to the rules, a person cannot touch the phone while driving if he is holding the phone in hands and talks, the fines are sometimes 350,500 euros. but since i don't touch the phone, in principle, i haven't broken the rules. well, i would like to support papa maria, and because i've been filming historical documentaries for several years films and still i will now convince mr. andriy that history is still important, the center of the manset, as you say, the main set, but these are all the things you talk about, about individualism, about such a comfortable feeling in society, what makes us a little different from the russians is that everything that sprouted essentially from the 15th-16th century when we partially when we

fought for the right to independence in the cossack period when we were partially part of the polish kingdom of the grand duchy of lithuania, which is also er, not insignificant, and here i have a question for mrs. maria, do you feel when you go to the meeting of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, do you feel this closeness with the europeans and do they and do you feel this feedback from them that yes, you are closer to us than the russians, you know, i will answer in this way, very briefly. at first, we were working both as a couple and with different countries in bilateral relations all over the world. do you remember that it started with the women's diplomatic battalion? now our male colleagues are joining us. we thank them for this. we see the situation. a little different when europeans understand how much we are

a part of their family and openly say how many different nations of the country knew less about us than they would like and now our temporarily displaced persons and their approximately 4.5 million temporarily mixed persons of ukrainians abroad 99 almost a percent of which are women and children. they are active, they are very educated, they are economically active, they are our age balls, agents of change, they tell us what ukraine is like when their children can communicate freely in english with children in austria or belgium or france and thus our culture is our way of life and the food that we love and cook it all penetrates into other cultures and you mentioned at the very beginning the association agreement our path began to this actual documentary european a little bit

even before that but the 24th 24 in june, when 27 eu countries will vote for our candidate status, they will also be under the influence of our displaced persons, not only politicians. therefore, we need to consider these vibrations of communication on a broader level, vico-cultural-diplomacy, for example kharkiv's cat of couples and ballet is now on tour in the capitals of europe with their perfumers, their diplomatic cultural diplomacy, and this is also not necessary. let's put it this way, you should never underestimate us now, two questions, do you remember all the time when we traveled the world, when we even just started to travel the world eh hmm in the late 90s

and 2000s eh we always worried that we could be seen from afar where we are from and who we are and the greatest appreciation for us it seemed that we were accepted in one or another country as our own that we did not distinguish much- stood out and do you think that now ukrainians should merge with europeans so much or now, well, on the one hand, it is possible and honorable when you are identified in europe as a ukrainian a-a p andriyu can i start with you as a person for which identification is this a profession at all? how would you answer this question? well, i would say that for many years i have been addressed often in europe in local languages , that is, in germany, i am addressed in german in holland er and so on yes and now in order that

if i want people to recognize then i use a yellow-blue badge or a ribbon and so on and it provokes people to come up to talk communicate talk and it's very interesting and the attitude is really very open and i i agree that er people frankly say that we are surprised how much ukrainians are like us, this is what i see in different countries, yes, they are now traveling a lot in europe for work . friendly to ukrainians refugees in contrast to refugees from the middle east, for example, that ukrainians are integrating very well, that they are becoming part of the european family, i respect this large influx of ukrainian refugees, how will they now manifest themselves in europe, how

will relations between our countries develop, how many of them will remain as they will return to ukraine mrs. maria, i also have a question for you, how will this affect our integration into the european union in the future on a political level and on a household level, mrs. maria, i interrupted you by accident yes, if i can answer after you, nothing, nothing, i just don’t see you. it’s difficult for me to respond to non-verbal signals. it’s called in the style of european integration and the construction of people-to-people relations. the context, however, can be in business, in culture, in the world, in the exchange of opinions, in some debates, that is all these are human contacts, they intensified when we received a visa-free regime as a state, now digitalization has prompted this er well, we had

covid years does not mean that they have decreased, and therefore the way we position ourselves will have a great influence on the agenda that we are building at the political level, at the cultural level, we are taken very seriously and believe me, i can say that as a deputy , including what i do there military issues weapons issues er is taken very seriously our mm qualified preparation for the meeting is it the president of some country or a military attaché or the minister of defense or is it a social issue , it is also an ambassadorship so who carry not only foreign policy, it is also very important, and if i may return it to the very beginning of our discussion, the recent studies that

took place just at the time when about 150,000 russian troops were being built on our eastern border of the state turned out to be a wonderful international study where ukrainians, well, absolutely they appealed to the european nations because our biggest demand and demand for ourselves and the world is freedom, the freedom of elections every day that we do , and i will never forget this inscription from maidan frida zawarelighen freedom is our religion, i completely agree with you here. i think that freedom is absolutely the exact position of ukraine right now, and i think that no one has any questions about how ukrainians can influence europe and how history can to influence ukraine, first of all, a

lot of people, uh, really, with whom i talk here, they say that we are ashamed, but we admit that we really treat ukrainians much better, because you are completely like us. yes, you look like we think. like us and us it's nice because it's easy for us imagine that we could be in your place, first, second - ukrainians, there are two questions here, positive ukrainians are surprised that such a household, for example , europe, it is very slow and it is very unserviceable , and they are surprised how cool it was in ukraine, they are only now beginning to understand that the new monobank outlet mail, those things that we have are ordinary parts of our lives, they are simply absent here, and in order to do basic things, sometimes now it takes weeks, but what scares me, for example, is that the biggest challenge for ukraine will be

to bring qualified people back because talents, especially if we are talking about the it sphere, who ended up abroad, went abroad and so on, the issue of security is very sensitive for them, and many people i talk to are not sure when they talk about when they will return and so on, that is why it is very important that we understand that ukraine must develop quickly in order to learn better quickly, because i am in europe in order to offer it to people at home. andriy, you just talked about our similarities as europeans and with a visual everyday and if you pass by or if you are simply given as a creative to watch the ad is not voiced well, you will not understand in which language you will be able to understand from the visual by the ideas that will be embodied there whether it was made in ukraine or it was made in another country and if

you will be able to distinguish by what signs sometimes yes sometimes no but you know there are interesting things here because there are brands that just emphasize their national character and there are brands that hide and in advertising you know there is such a very interesting idea that cities are actually they differ only in the center, if we are talking , for example, about poor sleeping areas, then the way people live there, they live very similar in new york and in europe, in ukraine, and so on, because they solve the same household issues. they also have a hard time living, and they are the same they perceive rely on some big mass brands, for example in brazil, which has favelas there and they had a problem, uh, building roads there because it is technically impossible and the municipality made a decision and they built there, in fact, the same road as on skis

in resorts yes, when the gondola moves from station to station, and the brand that paid for this project was an ice cream brand, because even those people who live in povels could afford ice cream, and for them, i don't know what kind of soda there is things for washing uh, it 's what they consume, they are very similar all over the world, mr. andriy, mr. maria, we now talk very freely with you about the fact that we are europeans and probably because of the fact that we, uh, all four of us very often visited europe is not like that many times, but i would i wanted to ask both of you a question about your first visit to europe. do you remember it or not? the first trip outside of ukraine was it then? there was such a clear idea that i am a european, mrs. maria. i would like to start with you. thank you. i am

i remember. it was a departure. let's say culturally diplomatic. we were moving with a dance group to germany through hungary. i was one of the few who knew german when we arrived. there are no borders in principle, but for some reason we were stopped already in germany at night and started to ask whether we are really traveling there with the aim of taking part in the world championship of moderns, well , i spent five minutes trying to explain that we are not there, no one is going to steal us, no one is going to sell a whole bus of children, well, that is, you know the verification questions, i remember how it was difficult to get visas and it was a constant challenge. it continued for years. i have different personal stories there. they are funny, but considering our respectable relations between ukraine and germany, ukraine and germany received

them. they will not be told on the air. to prove that you are normal, that you are civilized, that you have this real goal as a child, and you know me then, it was so infuriating, i said that this is my constitutional right to move, i have documents for this, just like all the groups, well, they let us go, we went on i.e. i didn't prove that i'm european, i prove that i'm a ukrainian, a free person who fulfilled the rules that fanfedr said and i travel in accordance with the current legislation of the schengen zone. i understood. well, my situation was more radical because it was the fall of 1991 i was 12 years old. i think i went with a group of children from the palace of children and youth and we behaved pathetically. just now, you understand, it was also poland

and germany. berlin, but we still lived then, there was also a dance team, we lived in the soviet military units in germany, and someone gave them some concerts, and it was generally part of the program children of chernobyl, and i was looking at europe at that time. well so very surprised very, very surprised, i would say so, i wanted to add something. by the way, i remember oh-oh-oh, how interesting it is now to remember the different paths taken by two countries that are currently experiencing a lot in common. they say that about poland, the first trip of the 90s school exchange it was precisely poland, and as i understand it, we were impressed by the opportunity to buy at least some jeans there, which were not similar to what was in the soviet union, but i remember very clearly when we sent our guests, because it was a return exchange to us as well a girl came to live in whose family i lived, we

bought her back that she was carrying spoons, forks , a meat grinder, everything was made of iron, that's why even at that time there was a shortage in poland, and you can trace what path poland has taken in the last 30 years, what path we have taken there where did we go wrong, what could we have done faster? well, how poland developed gives us such a great example of inspiration. well, and a huge thank you for the support of which they do not give now, which is very interesting to me. this is not the first time , even on these personal examples here i am already i notice that we are saying for the second or third time that we had to prove our europeanness to the europeans , and how interesting the process is, and this is probably one of the last questions, too. now the europeans have already woken up, they are able to perceive us according to your feelings, as this is part of your european family, mr. andrii, let's

start with you. i think they are ready to accept us , but they very clearly set the framework. these are your problems. these are our problems. we will be happy to help you, but when i asked, for example, political of experts in germany why don't you close the sky they said how do you have to uh, i don't know, it's a shame to ask us about this, that with us, the lord is so isolated and they are very comfortable. that's why it's very important for us, uh, to prove to them, we will continue. is a threat yes and that we can bring them benefit yes that we actually do not come there empty handed and we have an intellectual product we have an it product we also have a cultural product and we have a lot to offer in europe it is important not to blame them

in the fact that they are also looking for a certain benefit and we have to offer them this exit as a country as a nation maria and a comfort zone, we have already brought out a lot of people who make real decisions, these are specific trips to lviv and kyiv and finally to kharkiv, the first visited a deputy, he is an estonian, a former minister of defense, he was under fire in the newly liberated rivers in the kharkiv region. believe me, it was definitely not a comfort zone, but actually not a risk, which helped him further convince our partners about why we need heavy heavy lethal weapons, why are there 32 mlrs can completely change the price of the cat? well, why are our boys and girls fighting like this? well, even then, even there, with minimal

opportunities, now the weapons will go to the maximum extent. sat down confidently, it will be even more possible to change the comfort zone and give them the opportunity to feel what we feel and moment number two now max's maximum task is to show examples and successful cases friends the only country in europe that was able to join the power system after a 40-eighth-hour test guess what kind of ukraine it is, they produced this p- potential opportunity for us sometime in 2020, what does this mean for ukrainians and the state of ukraine, we have stopped all relations regarding electricity with russia, in belarus we are exporting energy now dill and we evnyna, we will be the leaders of alternative energy for the subcontinent of europe , because

all these sanctions must be removed from russia's gas needle, all the packages aimed at this, including the huge success of the whole of our country, our world, passports, passports, personal identification, opening a business, literally on the phone, registering a baby who was just born, our neighbors still don't have all this, they look at us like aliens. who are now in europe, mr. andrii, i understand, said goodbye to us already with such a small window. we want to thank our guests maria mezantseva always heads our delegation, people's deputy of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, marketer andriy fedoriv were guests of our live broadcast

, uh, we will be able to say goodbye to you again. but surely in all these years sharerealistic when we are very close to officially becoming members of the great european family thank you to our guests we will be back in a moment symbols of our independence blue indomitable free three months of fearless struggle of ukrainians together with us in an attempt on may 29 the second international charity telethon save ukraine will be held live in the heart of freedom kyiv and in the capital of germany berlin world leaders and ukrainian stars call for peace and collect funds to help ukrainians the heart of freedom must beat