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of the most pressing economic issues, this is probably still a question of what is happening in our exchange offices. there are also offices. i saw today up to 35 hryvnias per dollar, but at the same time the national bank claims that the official exchange rate is 29. what does this even mean? why such a margin suddenly appears, the essence of this machine is that it is really because of the reality in which we find ourselves that there is a certain mistrust of the national currency in society because they feel that there are problems in the economy, this is logical. unfortunately, at the same time time e-e certain e-e analysts even not only analysts and people's deputies allow themselves the statement that the rate, for example, 40 hryvnias per dollar is a reality and it also affects people and, accordingly, there is a greater desire to buy the currency , accordingly, the more the desire to buy increases

currency, the more the exchange rate increases. that is, this is the reality . unfortunately, we will be in such conditions for a certain period of time until all the aid packages that are already being discussed arrive in ukraine. in fact, we know that the united states of america recently accepted a package in the amount of 40 billion dollars of aid to ukraine, there is definitely a significant share of it. this is a military component, but 9 billion dollars will be directed specifically to the needs of the economy. the european union also says that 9 billion euros will be directed to the economy of ukraine in the near future, that is, until it is unfortunately , there will be exchange rate fluctuations, but as soon as this money appears in our budget, it will contribute to stabilization, so the main thing here is to wait. unfortunately, you, you, you, you assume that in your own income a huge

amount of dollars. she can even turn it back, or actually unscrew it. that is, the only thing i can't be sure of is that it will stay below 30 hryvnias per dollar, but what won't be 40. these 35 that we are now seeing in the excellent grades even 37 i see and a half and in fact i am sure of it that is, this question is again weeks i hope today in the program it is cool to our ethereum in antin borkovsky in the program i listened i was very interested in it representatives of farmers were included, in particular, those who deal with e-e street retailers with the supply of products to large retailers to large chain supermarkets, and they say that there are huge delays in payments from e-e supermarkets themselves, they sometimes go back months,

some even go back to the war years even some obligations, and is this all a sign of the fact that, well, prices can still rise , and there is a certain gap between the actual cost price and the prices that i supermarket i understand that it is extremely important to keep these prices, but how to restrain them without going through market mechanisms, we saw what the attempt to restrain prices in conditions of shortages in the fuel market leads to. on the military rails, first of all , the main resources go to the sphere of defense, and this is absolutely logical because, you know, the most important thing for us is the life of the citizens of the country, and therefore, if we save my life, the economy will no longer be possible that's why all other areas, let's say, become

secondary because of this, for example, the same budget programs, they are primarily focused on supporting the country's defense capability, while other areas are losing, so we constantly hear the statement that somewhere wages are not paid , and somewhere they go certain delays in payments eh, the basis of all this is that this transition of the economy to the city rail means that the priority is the military sphere, all others are secondary, that is, now eh unfortunately, for a certain period of time, we will observe this picture when, due to insufficient funds for the normal functioning of the economy, similar problems will arise that you just mentioned among our farmers, nevertheless, once again, as before, i will note that we all expect this assistance from our partners precisely in order to to close these existing gaps and thus in fact prevent the economy from continuing until the period when we can

function more or less normally, and in principle the dynamics of which i observe at least externally of trade when, for example, in april the situation was better than in march. that is, we understand that march it was a shock, that is, everything started, and april has already started er-e let's say that under the er period of time but i hope that it is not so significant, but by the way, what is your opinion, what should be the balance between the need to fill the budget with taxes and the fact that, in principle, thank god, 70% of business owners in our country say that, as if they are recovering little by little, they are starting to work, but because, well, for all of them now, it is not just unconditional , that is, what i said that the priority is the military sphere, that is, unfortunately, we have to come to terms with the fact that

it will be necessary to hold out for a certain period, it will be difficult, nevertheless, it is necessary, but it is it doesn't mean that you should completely forget about the economy, because you know, the country will be and then, that is, uh, unfortunately, we do not count big losses, first of all in terms of people's lives , but also in the economic infrastructure, but still, well, i have a rather optimistic view for the fact that in two months it will all be over . precisely because, well, at least it's so thin, i'll just say ah-ah, and then the economy will fully return to its normal state, and then it's not at that moment that it's desirable to keep it so that it was and e let 's say yes, already have guidelines no no no no restoration even i will say how a person goes to the commission for the restoration of the economic activity of ukraine now and that now the conversation is not about what needs to be

restored, what was lost must be restored to the ability of the country to function normally in accordance with the new standards. that is, it is already being discussed. and the discussion is premature, premature , nevertheless, even here is a good example in kharkiv, when, on the one hand, unfortunately, we saw yesterday 's shelling of a cultural center in the suburbs of kharkiv, on the other hand, margarskyi said that yesterday they resumed the construction of houses in kharkiv , demonstrating that people who lost their homes and have already started to create them is important. yes, it is very boring. let's talk a little more about a topic that is actually independent of us, for example fuel, and is there uh well, we have released the prices and for now, at least, but somehow they also released them uh well, and they really were released. i know there, i

can open a gas station, i don’t know, go to poland, fill up there for uah 60 per liter, bring it here and sell it for uah 70 per liter, there is such an opportunity, well, really, when there is price regulation for certain goods, it leads to the fact that these goods are disappearing, that is, there is a significant shortage due to the fact that price regulation and entrepreneurs who are engaged in trade in these goods understand that it is not profitable for them to do so, because when the prices were released, the minus was that the prices began to rise, but the plus was that these goods began to appear, that is, the entrepreneurs began to look for opportunities to supply the same fuel from poland or other countries that border ukraine, so that this bonus actually appeared, as for me it is better , because the much worse option is when there was no fuel at all, so it is, it is more expensive, but at least it is there and it is also necessary at this stage because the situation is developing very dynamically, that is,

certain problems arise, they must be solved within two weeks, because in three weeks there will be other problems, they will have to be solved , and that is why the release of prices was actually done precisely with the aim of these goods returning to ukraine further when there will be more of them, accordingly, the prices will be reduced for them. okay, good. thank you for the answer, er, regarding the general global situation in the world, er, i read the news that for the first time since 1976 , the united states was ahead this year in the economic china is experiencing a certain stagnation. this may also be due to the fact that they bet on total isolation during covid and the use of their own production of not very advanced vaccines that do not protect well against later strains. no less, it is interesting because, well

, globally, how does this war affect the world economy, or is there a risk if these economic problems, which the world is facing, will eventually also put pressure on ukraine on the ukrainian the government in order to bring us to compromises with russia as soon as possible, you know the influence that western changes have, as they write, the unmotivated aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, now they are saying more that the main influence on the world economy is that the world does not receive a significant share of food products, i.e. now , at the beginning of the situation, that is, in the first days of march, there were statements from the united states of america that , in this situation, the military aggression of the russian federation against ukraine could increase the number there are 230 million starving people around the world, this is the

united states of america, the un representative called this figure ah, i don't know what these calculations are based on, nevertheless, now we see a significant increase in prices for agricultural products, primarily in the region that depended on supplies from ukraine and the russian federation this is the so-called region of mine, that is, the middle east and north africa , and this is the fastest inflation in these regions. and hunger really creates risks in them, and that's why discussions are starting in the world about what ah the un should make a decision about the need to block the ports of ukraine, odesa, primarily in order to facilitate the supply of ukrainian agricultural products to north africa and the countries of the middle east, and the biggest decal ideas coming from great britain insist that this should be done by military

means, that is, military boats will enter the black sea of the sea, there should be an agreement turkey nevertheless eh i think it can be because it is also not interested in this by the way and they will physically ensure where the blockade of the parties if russia is eh try to prevent this, it will be a direct collision, and when we say that russia is not afraid of this collision, i remember the situation when a british ship passed near the crimea and russia declared that they had fired shots at it. at the same time, great britain showed a video that no one they were not shot at, it was only a reliable picture that demonstrates that russia will not be ready for such a scenario. and if this operation is not a blockade of odessa , it will have cities. for now, let's be afraid after this. in fact, it will be impossible, and it is possible in the future of ukraine, that is, i mean that not so much pressure can be put on ukraine, because on the contrary, they can

put pressure on the russian federation, that its actions not only threaten ukraine, they threaten the whole world and the reaction will be, accordingly, from the community, primarily from great britain, america, and possibly certain countries that, let’s say, still maintain neutrality towards russia, and russia will earn a record amount of more than 100 billion dollars from the export of oil products in this record prices are expected this year. it's fantastic that one baro of the urals seems to cost russia the cost price of two dollars, and it's being sold now, well, it's 50 times more expensive and about. and it's just that we see that maduro is rubbing his hands there, and now it turns out that he's almost shaking hands and and and you can make money with the belarusian dictator lukashenka, there are some conversations and so on , something is happening in saudi arabia, that is, well

, that is, the world world world policy is working, however, the price still remains a record and that's it in particular well, not s- greatly undermines the effectiveness of the sanctions introduced against the russian federation . that's why why the price remains so high. do you see prospects that it will still collapse, how will it be done ? after all, logistics. we must understand that russia produces crude oil with its crude oil and to send it from siberia to europe. this is enough. well, i understand at the time of its extraction from the ground. arabia promised me a little there, so i think that i did not study this issue any more. however, it seems to me that cleaning technologically is a more expensive

option, and the price will partly increase . we must mention the requirement that exists for certain countries that if you want to buy oil from russia, you must do so with a certain discount, i.e. even now sanctions against countries are being discussed in the united states of america who will buy yurovs higher than the target set by them, that is, such an interesting situation when, for example, your rose can cost $70-80 there, and it will be indicated that you cannot buy for more than 40, and then in russia there will be an option to either sell for 40 or not to sell in general, if you don’t sell, in general, it means stopping the entire mechanism of extracting oil transportation, which will be revived by the seller for 40 or you lose the industry. that is, what is currently on the agenda is to be discussed. and besides, i remind you that constantly there are talks about the fact that the countries of the

european union, first of all, should give up russian oil. germany is the main consumer of black oil. as far as i know, it had certain contacts with representatives of qatar and they already discussed this issue . raw and why this conflict exists because at one time ukraine from qatar saudi arabia wanted to supply weekdays to europe and everyone agreed that the crimea should be one country of syria and that syria, let's say, keep its electricity russia began to support it militarily, if the issue in syria is resolved, then it will be possible to build special pipelines from qatar and saudi arabia to europe and generally deprive russia of the opportunity to somehow influence this market and sell oil in general, then after increasing the possibility of transporting oil from the persian gulf prices put down, and russia will

not be able to sell its main product at all, and then indeed ukraine may collapse, which, in principle , is over if the report of the central bank is to be believed of the russian federation from april 21, it is not so possible in a few months, so it will be final, because there in ukraine, the economy depends very much on these three, sir. i have one more question, we do not have much time, the truth is, i will try to formulate it. you may have your own conflict of interest here. what is it about? well, i know that you yourself said that you are also in the national radius of the restoration of ukraine. i understand correctly, well, this is one of the commissions. is responsible for relations with the european union, it is important why because the european union, three days ago, presented its vision for the restoration of ukraine, its plan, yesterday there was a meeting of business representatives with, in particular, with the head of the

president's office yermak, and this conversation was about in particular, economic policy, let's say, and also messages that come in particular from the secretary of the national council for the reconstruction of ukraine from the consequences of the war - this is mr. hetmantsev, well-known to many, and actually, do you know about this how successful was the conversation? as far as i understand the entrepreneurs, i want clearer messages about the fact that ukraine will not be, let's say that someday it will not be the way it was before, that in fact there will be liberalization in ukraine, a real liberalization of the economy. and because what we sometimes hear from mr. hetmantsev is well, just, well, on the other hand, some of his messengers, well, it’s just like they were borrowed from a country that was called the ussr but i understand that you

may have your own conflict of interests, it will be difficult for you to answer i understand you look at me, unfortunately there is no information about what ideas were discussed there, nevertheless, the issue closer to me is the relationship with the european union, that is, the plan that the european union actually presented. that is, we will see how far it will be implemented, this is actually the marshall plan, let's call it this 2: 0 that is, what many have said, now it is being institutionalized, let's say, and it is clearly stated that the question is about what needs to be rebuilt, what was lost. the question is that these funds will be provided in exchange for reforms in ukraine. that is, it means ukraine will not be the same as it was before february 24 and in the previous period. why because, after all, there is a clear desire for ukraine to be. but

ukraine is very interesting. i don't know how true it is, in fact, it's some kind of draft, let's say that this plan has already come out. well, we already know. it came out in the german e-e media. well, it's called in german , viderbeu, outbaut, that is, reconstruction - it's interesting . pledge you know the reconstruction in another country, and now we can have a leader of av-bau rebuilding, yes, yes. and there, well, the estimates are estimated, and this coincides with the ukrainian estimates by the european union, as well as the estimate that somewhere up to 100 billion direct damage has now been caused to the ukrainian infrastructure in dollars, and also in a total of up to 500 billion, together with all the other indirect losses, respectively. they are preparing, as it were, a package of 500 billion, but look what a thing, there is already such an idea that since there is distrust in the fact that ukraine will be able to dispose of it, milovanov is also talking about it. he writes about how they will give grants, loans, what, and how . well, one of the answers is that it is possible that they will

give 500 million in such transactions, on the one hand, as if wow 500 million, and on the other hand, just divide 500 by this 1,000 such transactions and it will be necessary for each report on each one, it will be necessary to vote on something there, discuss in the committee, not so conditionally, i say yes, but it simply means, well, this is the case when there is no trust, and here you have a long and ineffective way of implementing the actual monetary super assistance, so look at the plan here it was proposed by the eu, and the general management will be carried out not only by the joint management of ukraine and the european union. that is, it will not mean that this money 19 this money will also be given to the superstructure of which there are joint actions of ukraine and the european union, that is, the european union will control it question, and this will be a guarantee that, as they say, something

wrong will happen with this money, so the european union will not only be a donor, it will also control the use of these funds, the only thing that so far is me let's put it this way, it is a little confusing how much communication the united states is doing on such a proposal because we know that this 40 billion package . we will not control their use, that even if it is the eu to control ad, we will, that is, i understand that now there is still a discussion about the institutional construction of the reconstruction of ukraine, but reconstruction, again, it is not rebuilding what has been lost is rebuilding the ability of normal economic functioning and the maximum possible entry of ukraine into the european union, that is, what

is currently being discussed, what funds will be built, that is, not only will a stadium or a castle be built there, no , but the economy will be rebuilt so that it enters the in the european economy to be an integral part, that is, this goal of this process, i understand it is important that it is also the goal of ukraine in this process, because the goal can be very different, for example, from what wow, we will have half a trillion, let's somehow uh, let's try to learn it usefully. and it may also be, wow, we have the opportunity to become members of the european union again , or the european union. this is the very way of thinking, the very way, for example, of the institution of the state administration and so on and so on, we had a lot of criticism, for example, about the independence of the supervisory boards. and this is one well,

simply from the principles of a modern free economy it is simply impossible to avoid it and we still understand that we will have another voter, we have no other power, the question is simply how active all other stakeholders will be able to be, in particular the same business. i think you will agree with me. also, well, the elite, uh, uh, the elite is such a managerial elite that can be uh, for patriotic reasons here, uh, actually, i don’t know, such a leader and such an activator of these changes, definitely . for the purpose of joining the structure of the european union. that is, you cannot think or live as you lived before, you must meet the criteria that exist in the european union, because i remind you that this is the goal of joining ukraine to the european union, it is written in our constitution, it should not be just letters written in the constitution, these should

be real cases. so, now the task is for everyone to teach to live in accordance with the realities that will exist after the ukrainian let's say victory in this conflict because we must understand that a component of this victory will be the fact that ukraine must readjust to life in the single european space, that is, not a post-soviet country, but a country that is a member of the eu with not only rights, but also qualitative solutions, this is very important, so you understand that it is not easy to be wrong what are we called here, members of the european union in our country now they are building roads there with compensation for the fact that we are a part of the economy of the european union , that is, we are not beggars, we are not some people who they feed somewhere in the kitchen, and this is a part of the powerful economy that flows in and brings something, the

only thing i want is, i apologize, and actually i want mr. ivan and i to listen to one statement of mr. president zelensky briefly and we will discuss and then we will say goodbye mr. ivan ivanovich let's listen, we suggest that the partner states sign a multilateral agreement to create a mechanism thanks to which everyone who suffered from the actions of russia will be able to receive compensation for all losses based on such an agreement, russian