how far can you fly with this? let us unblock the south-east of ukraine with you, and it is covered from the crimea. i, with four hundreds, it is already covered in the temporarily occupied territories of the s300s . km, from that range we already have to strike f16 if we base it somewhere in our regions of ukraine. i will

need it in the 16th. of the verkhovna rada, they will leave the vovnyanka of some, for example, big experts. well, it will be approximately 40% more , more aircraft will be needed, so for ukraine, as you and i said it before, for ukraine with such a large territory, f-16 for a small the plane is too light for a country like ours, or maybe ours had su-27s, they were not only mig-21s and 29s, ukraine was equipped with 127s. well, it was not the right time. they can say that it was a cover for a western group , but time has shown that for ukraine that is exactly what the platform was needed - it is a heavy two-engine fighter jet fighter interceptor replacement for it is the f15 that is, do you think that we will be forced to repeat the experience of operation desert storm using why are they better heavy aircraft in the quality of 15 how are you such a breakthrough those anti-aircraft

the defenses that the enemy has created today in the east, so for this we will again need a joint operation, we will also need long-range artillery , artillery systems of volley fire, well, like that, like what we hope to receive soon. this is either highs or a comparison of the ministry of internal affairs, but they still need these foreign complexes to fail, i.e. first the advantage in the air must be captured and start with an air operation and then gradually tighten up its frantic system can pass air defense and thus push back the enemy from our territory, well, but how do you know supporters of the f-15th among the air force command, there are not so many because everyone refers first of all to the experience of nato in fairly neighboring countries where the f-16 is in service, the most common version of the aircraft if ukraine chooses f15, there is a problem, let's say, logistics in maintenance and

so on. and if we suddenly have to service aircraft outside our territory , then we are actually forced to solve this problem in some way, how to connect the adjacent fleet f16 in the nato countries that are close to us and ukraine's unique way of using it in the 15th, take as an example the experience of our neighboring countries, which are small in area, small in territory, it is not possible to ukraine, it is not incorrect to use it again, i say because of just because of a simple question, combat load, range tactical radio everything and the issues of logistics, they are all being solved, believe me, even our armored vehicles are about this, you told me for your opinion, where our armored vehicles are currently being serviced and repaired, we already understand that it is not in ukraine, but in the nearest

countries where there is suitable production. by the way, as 15 europe is also based, in fact, for the f-15, not so and far. everyone knows the rammstein base. that's right . at what stage is the discussion of this future aircraft for the air force in general, because apparently they did not say what is the college of experts among politicians, or is there any detail related to conveying our wishes to the american side, which today is actually our main military sponsor in strengthening our armed forces, i will say that the united states is not our the sponsor of the united states is our truly true friend, i spoke about it openly, i spoke about it in the past and i will say that even the intelligence that we receive is just invaluable help , not to mention the financial assistance that we received, it is already 30 and 40 million to see billions

and whether his weapons are all such, in the first place, they received serious weapons, this is a combination of the united states of america, this is not praise. equipment of one or another kind. they have not yet been completed, this is currently a constant work in progress because, as i said, we still have to plan our actions in advance . we have very little now. yes, the amount of armored vehicles that we russians disposed of . it is simply amazing. these are some fantastic things that the world has never seen before. and by the way,

what i said was that the russians are also wise, finally they remembered that tanks do not fight without infantry and unfortunately since they are smarter, it becomes quite difficult for us to fight, that is, the war is already starting. such a positional position, on the one hand, positional, when breakthroughs begin, this is exactly the flexibility of thinking that was already inherent and continues, this develops and evolves the logic of combat operations of our command and our armed forces, so answer to the question of how quickly i would like as soon as possible well, as i said, i started doing this and was preparing all the grounds for, for example , training planes so that our pilots young people from the cadets of the kharkiv air force university began to master a specific english language. this is what we call a bird

. the language is a completely unique jargon that must be learned from a young age. it is not possible to simply take a pilot and put him there for 2-3 weeks to relearn. they have to get used to another system and a whole indication to another system of piloting, display of flight information, all this should be like well, like with mother's milk, exactly the same way at the university, a cadet student, a cadet, should get used to this and how in to one document that wrote that our pilots , our air force, earned and won with blood the right to train, learn to train on the best model that has been created to date , this is exactly boeing, which has just entered juventus, that the transition to a new plane is years, if we say that already fully in order to be intro operable 100% interoperable with nato

units. it really takes years for people to constantly live, communicate and fly together, and at our stage we say that we for the time being, we still need to liberate our land and our country, and only our pilots will work and work. they could still use their local bird language, but after all, having retrained for the cockpit of another type of american plane, i say this from the experience of extremely difficult transport aviation. i would give it seven months. we simply don’t have any more, that is, in 7 months our pilots can master the f16 or f15 , taking into account the other. yes, and here, by the way, if there is an opportunity, it is a very curious situation that you

i even read in the press that one of the american pilots said that it was a very bad idea to transfer the mig-29 pilot to the f16, because the motors are completely different, the control is different, and the control is really true. the f-15 is a hydromechanical control system with improved stability. 27 of the electric remote control system of the aircraft on a stable f 15 f16 on the contrary, er, f16, electric remote mig-29, er, mechano-hydraulic with an improver, here, too, there is such an interesting thing, that is, medium and heavy do not match, this also creates difficulties and how is the american law about lend-lease can contribute to the rate of re-equipment of our

aviation with green lease, we can receive so-called equipment or from storage, well, in any case, it should be as unused as possible, as unused as possible , there is another supply scheme - this is fmf and what we talked about those seven from the fmf can be supplied with exceptionally new equipment. well, as it turned out, it must be a newly manufactured aircraft, so take it from storage - it’s just right and faster that you don’t need to manufacture it, but it is somewhere covered with covers to spread it out and immediately go into battle, and in this world it is applies to any, not only professionally, it also applies to any technique in this sense, which samples can be used quickly, long-range ones are made quickly, we already got

it , it must go on. she she can perform those functions and in the meantime, starting to prepare the air force is not just preparing on paper, i mean already a teacher of pilots already exactly what you said about working out building logistics of service well i suggested that in ukraine there should be a linear maintenance of the aircraft, something that we can do in time. and heavier forms just with a flight to ukraine -neighbors, this is in order to speed up the combat use of the technology for the time being. the most difficult thing in maintaining the howitzer equipment, despite all its complexity , we take three for three sevens in it, a very

complex hydraulic system, that is, it is just a work of art, but still, it is some kind of something that stands on the ground and it will not fall from the sky it is possible to simply drag away from the battlefield with the plane, the plane is in the air and a person lives in it or on a bucket , can the lend-lease program be used to reformat our defense industry , including the aviation industry, are there such options, it can be called simply no, no need all at once, lisa's palm should be tied, because in those packages of financial and technical assistance that president biden signed, there is a question of financial assistance that can be directed in different directions, so really under those two packages that signed, it is necessary to create the prerequisites for the ukrainian defense industry, well, first of all, what was clear to me

was that antonov was engaged in this all his life, and there was actually a program for this. on the american side, i continued to master the f15, in no case do i even throw in the 16 as an auxiliary aircraft to the f16, that is, the weight should really be shifted now to the mastery of the locale to the localization of western samples of military equipment and then, as turkey also did. by the way , we will not get anywhere without creating our own, we can only hope that we will be constantly helped, we need to create our own. and what is dp antonov doing now, can we consider this sector of our industry as a platform for gathering new samples of evaluation techniques or any prerequisites for this, documentary or negotiation

that were carried out in this direction what i was doing i was doing with the boing company i know that after me there were attempts to create something with the turkish aside, but at the moment, as far as i know, there is absolutely no information, but i know that so far there is no development - it has not been received, so there is an opportunity to continue cooperation with the fight, no one completely closed the roads, although you remember that there and those ministers who have long tried to interfere very hard not in positions , not even in their offices. well, someone contributed to my leaving antonov's company. that's already in the past, but the door is open, that is, the door from the american side to deal with is that the boeing company is ready to continue the previous the initiatives are related to the collection of the training and transport moment , there is no such clear information. i would like it to be so , that is, it is actually about you

. -15 and receive t-7 aircraft that can be assembled at antonov's enterprise. for this, a whole corresponding program was developed, where oleksandr los was one of the supporters of the implementation of this program. i told the story absolutely correctly, even the founder of this programs will not be a bit difficult if we are talking now not only about the frontline, about the combat, this mountain, about the military transport aviation, we lost our dream, this is actually a painful blow to this crime, this is a crime, and now we are talking about restoring the dream, how realistic is it or is it is this a priority decision or are there other options that are directly related to the development of military transport eggs where our capacities are

strong enough? named, as far as i remember, the sum of 800 million dollars, so it corresponds to the calculations we made just when we started to develop and work out the certification of this aircraft, the second aircraft of the united states of america, well, it is about the fact that antonov has a second glider of this aircraft, i would suggest, for example from the same boeing 777 or seven seven eight to involve regional workers to involve the engine there is a question about manufacturing there is something, but something so complicated is just big metal canisters of parts it must be done and this message is even today in ukraine recorded and it must be done, that is, in fact, with the possibility of all our valuable industry, in a certain time we can revive the dream and expand the range of our an-178 military transport aircraft, currently

the program continues and, of course, there is still the issue of import substitution of aluminum materials and so on but i think that now definitely no one will object to the use of american aluminum, american composite materials and, to the maximum, american component works. they blamed me, as at that time the person who prevented the russians from spoiling lives. and when we talk about the three an-178 aircraft, what is their fate in these conditions, what were the orders from the ministry of defense , is there any work to be done in this direction, we just have to work, continue to do this work , that planes transport planes of ukraine are extremely necessary we need our wings and once again now we have the full right as a state to declare loudly about our place in the aviation

world and transport and combat aviation simply demand spent on what president zelenskyi said about the fact that many of our pilots died trying to deliver cargo to azovstal, this means that in terms of the courage of heroism, in fact, we lack the technical capabilities or to perform similar tasks in areas where the enemy provides reliable air defense, how to get out of this situation in the future, what we said, what concerns fighter aviation, one way or another , you and i are seeing the last stage of the life of soviet aviation equipment mig-29 su-27 su-25 su-24 this the war will put an end to the existence of the former soviet aviation combat assessment in ukraine, we will definitely switch to american models

of fighters, fighter-bombers, what we talked about, gradually, the training program from the cadet hup from the first semester of the first year, language, navigation, full transition to usa force standards, this is just this no other way is even discussed anymore, is the direction related to the development of unmanned subjects relevant, because literally before the war you represented the concept of an unmanned strike fighter which , in fact, if he was in the ukrainian army today, would help a lot in solving the tasks that exist on the battlefield, as with this project of yours, and what does the vision of the development of unmanned aviation in ukrainian conditions look like in general, you know when i saw the footage when the pilot is a hero from su-25th

catapults guides in his plane on a column of armored vehicles and catapults from a height of approximately 30 meters to the side and was also in such a position, i blamed myself for not leaving antonov in in the 14th year, after the events on the maidan, he did not create exactly this inconspicuous unmanned aircraft, an interceptor aircraft, a fighter aircraft. well, what was the air component of air defense called for the press at that time? this aircraft can carry no correct translation into ukrainian. as you know , the wings are adjusted, she becomes, she becomes flying, she plans, well, that is, i become like a glider, and we

calculated that at a range of approximately 150 km , you can deliver a 250 kg bomb by dropping it for such there is little noticeable aircraft that will come closer to the radars, for example s300, and it was already possible to solve e-e problems well, let the incomplete conquest of superiority in the air, but the breakthrough of this e2 zone, that is, the so-called no-access zone for such systems , the future is again because ukraine does not have enough power the engine that the russians have for the s70 hunter, i developed the car specifically localized for ukraine with maximum tactical capabilities, what we can do for ourselves and not at the moment, fortunately, we can still do it, even weapons we have, that is, to do with a conventional bomb, to make an

winged bomb, this is also the documentation that was already such, even developed, such samples already exist in all developed countries, nato even in turkey showed such samples. we must move in this way, now you are also analyzing, but in no case neglecting manned aviation , i repeat once again in well, you and i are definitely still ours well, i’m not saying grandchildren, but the children will see more prepared planes, now you also analyze enough use of unmanned russian aviation of production in the combat zone, what are the features , what are the disadvantages, how do we counter it, well, it’s not aviation anymore, after all, we’ll call it aerial reconnaissance, and that’s orlan 10. it’s so well-known, what is the strength of this technique. unfortunately, even antonov’s former colleagues and colleagues always looked at the unmanned aerial vehicle how exactly, like an airplane, orlan 10, it looks like an aircraft model circle from 1940, not

in this question. we even, as i said, even a cardboard box can be made to fly. but he is happy with his electronic equipment. the channel of complex words is protected from interference and from interception of the control channel and transmission of information, it is currently so stable that it is almost impossible to intercept this technique by radio-electronic means. i can, but we can shoot it down with classical means of anti-aircraft arrows, yes. a shooter of small arms, even they are affected. and how does ukrainian unmanned aviation work in the combat zone? is it a language is also under the influence of the russian rebus very hard yes, but our developers are learning very quickly, fortunately, soon we will be the worst and even

better than what the russians have. for military and technical assistance from other countries, there from turkey, from poland, or our developments , e. interference resistance, is there a sufficient number of unmanned vehicles today in combat formations in order to effectively solve the task categorically, therefore, this is exactly one of the topics of military technical assistance , be it in ndlis or simply other methods of assistance, they involve the transfer of unmanned vehicles of the tactical level. can we talk about the fact that yes there is an urgent need to obtain a larger number of strike drones, of course, of course

, in order to take the example of snake island, unfortunately, russian is already being built on it frantic air defense, we are observing it, the lack of longer -range aircraft, unmanned aircraft, it just leads to the fact that, for now , in some local areas of action, the russians can temporarily seize the initiative. to ask you about what actual decisions should be made by the political military leadership in order to ensure the rapid pace of rearmament, first of all, of the aviation component and obtaining samples related to by the development of inter-armed forces, what decisions should be made in the near future, determine those types that are already

specific about which it is necessary to write appropriate letters, requests to the supplier countries, who is the united states of america, we can see what is going on, negotiations, even difficult tough negotiations, in order to get well, what about you and me it still seems like to people and not to those who are already close, you want military people in civilian clothes but also with the head of military topics german german system what is it called cheetah e-e 2000 yes well for us it is with you it is still the good old shilla yes, it is true, but what a stir the month and the difficulty of obtaining a meeting of the bundestag and so on, that is, there is political blackmail going on, it can even be called he and he is not only he is not on the side of ukraine, he is on the side of other countries. maybe you also understand why they

they are trying to appease our enemy, the russian side. fortunately, the united states does not engage in such things, and with the united states, it is simply necessary to concretely define examples in life. it's already about petriv, it's also called this warm heart, it's very nice that there's already such a press about it, and if we're talking directly about the planes, which for today we'll say yes, there are expectations regarding the timing of the decision, at least on the ukrainian side. i think that they we are already 90% ready and we are moving forward and negotiations are already underway at the working level with the united states and the leadership of the state department of the department, i.e., proposals regarding our approaches, what aircraft do we need, we have already prepared and handed over to e-e consideration of the american side well, you see the samples, there

is not much we can talk about f-15 f16 a10 , oh fuck, it is difficult for me to say whether the a10 can be delivered to ukraine because they were returned. as you remember in operation, they were removed for a while, then they they returned it because they again saw the effectiveness of such equipment. but in 15-16, these are exactly the two samples on which everything is focused right now. can we expect what can be said or at the meetings of the defense ministers of nato countries? we will also raise the issue directly and about combat aviation is not limited only to artillery, which we really need, it is certain that such conversations are already taking place, i am sure that i am not present. none of us can be present there, but it is certain that such conversations

are interesting. on the sidelines continues to sound eh, for example, the need for light fighter jets, well, at the moment, how much they are needed in ukraine. i doubt it. thank you for this interesting and meaningful conversation. the captain of the armed forces who takes care of the development of the ukrainian army, my name is serhii zgurets, and in the future on the espresso channel we will conduct a cycle of such interviews, telling about the prospects of the ukrainian army, ukrainian weapons and ukrainian defense industry, this is actually the triad on which our victory on the battlefield depends . your task is to lead the country to victory, this is the cause of my life, you are doing everything in your power for this .

the highest value under his wise command, having made possible the impossible for a person to consume, the armed forces of ukraine are destroying the second army of the world. i want to ask our people to believe in the alkaline and to believe in the armed forces of ukraine, glory to the heroes, glory to ukraine, the european union , even to the eu we use different ways, different approaches, because people are different, with russia and with this war, one course, one path, and each other