we cannot take these maps as a basis for our negotiations, and in the end they pushed and eliminated them, because some of these negotiations were agreed at the level of the presidents, that's what made the 50th anniversary of 94 or the fourth year, which many ukrainians like so much, because the foundations of this occupation were already laid there and created a common space of the sea of ​​azov for russia and ukraine, which means that warships, not to mention the civilian fleet, can literally approach the ports located on the coast of the azov sea ​​and translated from diplomatic language this means a simple thing, friends, that russian warships could quite legally come close to mariupol to berdyansk to other ukrainian cities on the azov coast. to make the sea of ​​azov fully

controlled by russia, not by rights, but by rights. i would say strong, because they impose exactly such a view on the situation pavlo zhebrivskyi , commander of the unit of the fighting brotherhood of ukraine e of territorial defense of ukraine former head of the donetsk city civil administration and former people's deputy of ukraine i congratulate you , pavla pavlo, i was just talking about this story with the azov region, you also give it, i think you remember it well, i remember it well, i remember how they entered, how they loomed and actually teased the military and it was huge because they actually explored the entire coastal fortification and so on. in fact, everything was embedded 20 years ago. as you said, 30 years ago behind the bars and yes, you know, i listened to zelensky's speech yesterday, and when he said that for him,

victory is a return to the position of february 23. well, to be honest, i have enough doubts because it will inspire our military, return the land, because we remember that and the pea was ukrainian, and in fact the sea of ​​azov was the internal internal waters of ukraine, and if we do not dream of a large, if we do not dream of returning a large ukraine, we are unlikely to get a small ukraine, and i think that the sea of ​​azov will definitely be an internal ukrainian sea. do you know? regarding this idea of ​​returning the territory on february 24, which somewhere, where we controlled the territory at the time of the russian car on the other eh, i have a little doubt, i just believe that the russians themselves will never agree to this version of the development of events, even if they will eh suffer a military defeat, they can suffer it either on the scale of the entire donbass or they will try to

gain control over this donbass. unfortunately, there can be no half-hearted solution for vladimir putin, that is, unfortunately, even for those who i hope that the war could end if the russian troops even managed to push back to this line on february 24, because this line does not exist in putin's head and it will not arise anymore . a terrible slap, but i am talking about the motivation of our soldiers on the frontline, about the motivation of volunteers, about the motivation of the ukrainian people. that is, we should set a high goal, and i do not think that zelenskyi's advisers do not understand that putin he will not agree to any defeat, even to relegation in that part, but he is a good pr guy, in fact, he is an artist, he plays

a role and in this part he should play a role until the end, because this is the motivation to fight for the liberation of the ukrainian land from the russian in the past, the president said that ukraine wants to take back the entire territory, and russia does not want to return anything, so he hopes for negotiations with russia, which will finally resolve everything after the hostilities. i just think that you know the logic of vladimir putin, many people want to approach from a rational point of view, you understand what putin looks like to many, after all, a person who should realize the consequences of this or that defeat , i have not seen putin and a person capable of realizing the consequences of a defeat, we just know that he has other buttons in a different way. today there is a moscow church that a number is considered to be the anointed of god, who is great and before whom everyone must bow down, and when

a person lives to such a heaven and stays for a very long time, all the bubbles, she actually really believes in what she is. if they were to rise again, bell-shaped eyes, then people will be like mice, sorry. rats are actually already like mice for him, and actually all the parts are a person who is irrational in his awareness in his thinking in his understanding. and actually in this part of us to hope that we will hear feedback is quite difficult, we have to think quite seriously today, moscow cans are opened in the west, we actually see the statements of macron, we see the indecisive position of scholz, and it is not only that the entire ruling leadership of the social democratic party of germany, we see the statement of berlusconi, who was

horrified by the buchach tragedy, and today he is already calling to force ukraine to actually surrender , today, trumpists are also ready to talk about the it is the financing of the american economy, and this kind of influx, we must not miss this blow, because in addition to the military blow, we have been receiving a blow from the russian agents of germany for years and decades from european countries. this is a problem, and we also have this don't miss it, you understand there is still a problem here that it seems to me that we see certain things in a different light only because we found ourselves in the center of events, so you are talking about the top of the social democratic party of germany, well it must be said that the social democrats have long been the so-called federal policy of the east

you remember the republic and it impressed many because it was not the language peaceful coexistence of the federal republic with the countries of the so-called socialist camp, but by and large then with the help of money from the federal republic managed to get stability in east germany in poland, all these regimes of erich honecker , er, er, edward gerik. remember the peace for this policy, but then it turned out that this eastern policy is at a turning point, from the time when it began to be applied to russia, it became rather an indicator of support for aggression and ambitions, and not for this peaceful coexistence. there is no peace, you understand began as a result of these applications of this eastern policy, as a result of which the war began. here's what's interesting . i think that it's just the whole world, that is, the world. how did it

live before the war? speaking , the effectiveness of the un general assembly and here it is necessary to reform after this everything will be, because this talk of vague funding has shown its sufficient difficulty in adopting the decision -making system in nato, we see turkey blocking the entry sweden, finland, we see in the eu, which today blocks hungary and many, many other things. but i think that the world should simply stop and return to values, the key issue should be the basis of the values ​​that we put forward and peace at any price if for any price sooner or later

we will pay a huge price if wealth is money and values ​​somewhere later then this money will cover and in the long run there will be no money not values ​​the world must become valuable to values ​​we must call including our western partners who are a little i, the roman catholics, have gone astray. when the pope talks about reconciliation with the racists, i don’t like it. i believe that even such a great figure as the pope has gone astray, and in a big way. let him read the bible again in england and come back unpunished in evil becomes a universal evil without values ​​as a basis for relationships, prosperity, social existence, nothing will happen, we have to return to the value component from

which the western world began. and in those territories that the enemy is attacking and in those territories that are occupied, we can actually talk about the genocide of the ukrainian people from this point of view that the occupier is trying to use those who live in the donetsk and luhansk regions as cannon fodder so that there is a hidden mobilization of people there with russia going to the military commissariat promises various bonuses if they will serve under a contract, then in the territory of donetsk region and luhansk region, people simply hunt them like hares, you know, a person went out to collect garbage to take out the garbage, they took her right on the street and took her to the military commissariat, and then they let these real aryans go in front of me, that is, the russian army, which is already using them to see where they are shooting from. how do you protest against the fact

that ukrainians are being used for did they shoot at other ukrainians themselves or were they obvious victims of the war, well, the roshes are performing a double, such a devilish mission of theirs, first of all, they are like cannon fodder, closing any holes on the fronts where they are lacking their cannon fodder, and secondly, they actually lay down the minus of slow action. because when, in principle , people in rashin uniforms will be killed by a ukrainian soldier defending the country, then that family will hate ukraine. genocide of the ukrainian people but now it is not just necessary to speak how bad i think that we are not working enough, well, first of all, to those who work on the front lines of our information component, we have to work for those people, we are now

i am very impressed by kherson and melitopol, uh, today there are proclamations, uh, in principle, propaganda material is posted. we also have principles to drop enough propaganda material there and how to hand over the prisoners, i listened to the last negotiation there, and uh, for that dpr is the so-called and he he wants some kind of human rights organization there, because ukraine is an enemy, it is necessary to prove that ukraine is like a mother like a father. where you are , you have no blood on your hands against ukraine. of ukraine and in order for them not to fall into the ukrainian blood flow, an educational mission, an educational role

. information and agitation units were to be created in the armed forces of ukraine in order to strengthen this component in order to find a way to return to their homeland. thank you, the commander of the unit of the fighting brotherhood of ukraine was in touch with us of the territorial defense of ukraine, the former head of the donetsk city civil organization, pavlo zhebrivskyi, and we talked about the situation in donbas, this is one of the most difficult, ordinary moments of the war, which began in february this year and which is among the main goals . the occupation of ukraine by the change of the regime, but also the exclusion of the territory of the donetsk luhansk regions of ukraine from the composition of our state, it is necessary to understand that even if we fight

for ourselves that vladimir putin's plan would and would have succeeded kiev would be captured and a puppet leadership of ukraine would be created in kyiv, headed by some other traitor or not another. and besides the other adviser, some viktor yanukovych, that is, this government would still not receive any occupied territories. i talk about this all the time. i remind you that this is very important a moment that must always be remembered, remember not by our history. by the way, we do not have such experience, but the countries neighboring us, the former soviet republics, led by the republic of moldova, have already visited enough there are practically as many presidents as there are in ukraine , and none of them managed to solve the problem of the territorial integrity of the republic of moldova . moscow recognized it in words, but when it came to specific negotiations under specific conditions, it turned out that it was impossible to solve anything. for many years, the communist volodymyr

voronin was at the head of moldova, who came to power, in fact, with the support of moscow, who was ready for a huge number of concessions to moscow, but when he was offered a plan under which the moldovans would not just become a federal state, but under which the brodian troops, which were renamed russian, became under the leadership of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation to remain on the territory of the transnistrian region even after the territorial integrity of moldova is restored, even this communist pro-russian puppet did not agree to such conditions because he realized that he will then be in charge not of the state, but of some entity, the real leader of which will be the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation. well, he didn't agree, but then moscow also succeeded, uh, with the help of a whole series of political intrigues, to bring the so-called socialist igor dadon to power. he was ready for anything, for anything, and for russian troops in transnistria on russian terms, and he

even went to celebrate the day of russia in the territory occupied by the russians together with the head of this occupation administration vadim in krasnoselsk imagine this story yes what the president of ukraine is going with some common or beekeeper to celebrate russia day in donetsk or luhansk, and dodon was ready even for such humiliation, and if dodon was united in this territory, then dodon would be guaranteed victory in the elections of the president of moldova in the next round of elections during the next elections, because a huge number of voters who had pro-russian sympathies they would become voters of the republic of moldova and, of course, change the directorial balance in favor of pro-russian political forces, well, this is a simple analysis, but if i am sitting in the office of some kremlin the analyst is preparing such a note to vladimir putin , i'll explain all this to him and that transnistria was given home, that russia at least tried to get even one step closer to restoring

the territorial integrity of the republic of moldova nina step and as a result lost the presidential election to the european candidate ms. has an isand, well, this is just a good example of what the russians' intentions are in relation to the donbass, that they have no yanukovych, no medvedchuk, this is so that there are no illusions. they would never give up these territories, what are they have already occupied and this is a very important moment. and when they will even hold some negotiations with us, which they are hoping for today in kyiv, they will not come within a kilometer of the territory from where they cannot be knocked out, as now they are absolutely serious in saying that energodar should be controlled by them, although this not donetsk region, not luhansk zaporizhzhya, but they say that we even have to pay for electricity from our own nuclear power plants. serhiy shakun

, officer of the luhansk regional defense force, is now on the phone. and we let's talk about what's happening in the region too, let's get back to this topic. greetings, sergi. good day. well, we know that now, uh, it's again such a difficult situation in luhansk oblast, next to lysichansk, and uh, as reported, they have already destroyed the city of pavlograd, which was connected between severodonetsk and lysichanskyi , how will this undermining of the bridge change the situation, maybe even from the point of view of the humanitarian problems of the region, well, in addition to the humanitarian problems, you know everything, there were two bridges that connected lysychansk, north donetsk , one is destroyed today, the other is the ministry of health very densely shot by the russians very densely shot by the russians because zelenka and uh are everywhere it is very difficult to drive there so what did you

say humanitarian issues there is also the fact that people are leaving that the equipment needs to be started that what that that is a very ugly situation in principle what is happening around lysychansk, there is such an understanding that the russians want to buy the city at any price. well, they set themselves the goal of making a cauldron and bringing lysychansk-yeverodonetsk into the cauldron, and what you see in belohiria, they did not succeed and then that today they continue to go from popasna through volodymyrivka to knauf to solidar, and it turns out that they control the ta route, which connects lysychansk there with bakhmut, and it

is very densely shelled. it is impossible yesterday they tried to get on the road from the side of volodymyrvka, but our artillerymen fired at them very densely, you can say they destroyed them, leveled them to the ground, to be honest, i have never seen such a thing when without rain, the ground evaporates everything plowed over, and well, such a picture is not very interesting, and to this day, they almost do not succeed, i say that they tried to make a ring of white gold and it did not work, and here now, well, i am sure that they will not succeed, because the technique that is given to ukraine on today, according to our european and american friends, it is working very well

now, western military analysts say, in particular , that the offensive in donbas has slowed down, that the russians do not have the opportunities they were counting on, that when they were withdrawing troops from the north, they for some reason decided that they would quickly occupy the territories in the east, if they could capture at least this part of the ukrainian land, we can say that according to the intelligence data, we had the fact that for today and tomorrow, you do not plan to intensify actions and they introduce i think they don't have enough, the reserve is getting smaller and smaller, the reserve is getting smaller and smaller, well, the equipment is full, and the bk they are, well, uh-uh, as i say on the conveyor, they are supplied, well, they already have less and less human resources eh- and the plus to everything are the people

or the russian military, what were they, they see what is happening, what is happening, what is happening, what is happening, what is happening, what is happening, what is happening is that we are in platoons, our armed forces are completely destroying them, and they are not so successful anymore, but their human reserve is also becoming less and less. well, this is very important because as far as i understand, putin was not able to carry out this mobilization there that he dreamed of, and it certainly became a rather serious moment that they cannot act in the donbass as they would like to act. for sure, putin sets goals for them and tries to set and you know show that you are one more region, one regional center . i am sure that they will not succeed because we trust the armed forces in the commander-in-chief. so everything will be fine, it will be ukraine, the mood is hay again

. no one in luhansk region was preparing, no one was building roads along the roads, no one was building a bomb shelter, nothing was being done in luhansk region, and now we have this result, but it is strange, on the other hand, it was the people who lived in luhansk region next to the war, isn't it vinnytsia, isn't it, isn't kyiv region, well, besides that, you know, if you take the brave one, i say that the russians drove into milove on bicycles, drove three tanks, and that's all, that is, a detachment stood at the border with chalk, there were no troops , there was nothing, and there were bridges in time was demined for the first time by the russians. when they moved in, they piled up there,

destroyed the equipment there, more than 50 russians were killed . and what bridge we left behind, we blew it up now calmly , equipment, manpower , logistics, and everything is leaving from luhansk, so there are a lot of questions. the voice of luhansk region again, again, it is difficult to say that we do not want this, what are the impressions that from the center and from the west are calling, what are the impressions that they want to merge luhansk region, i can say that is why we are here from the very beginning of the war so that this does not happen, thank you, hold on, victory to you serhiy shakun, the officers of the luhansk oblast regional defense forces are in touch with us. you understand that donbas is actually a very serious region for vladimir putin, in particular the luhansk oblast. the donetsk oblast

is the luhansk oblast. it is generally so important. moment because even before the beginning of this war, almost 80% of the territory of the region was under the control of russia, this was the so-called luhansk people's republic, now during the hostilities, about 90% of the luhansk region is under the control of the occupiers, and why are they so uh-uh trying all the time uh- buy severodonetsk lysychansk because why is there such an intensity of these attempts by the russians because there is an idea to put ukraine in front of the fact and russian officials are already talking about it out loud before the fact this means holding a fake referendum on the territory luhansk and donetsk regions, but we understand that luhansk is easier to buy from all their points of view than donetsk, because donetsk region has a large part of the territory that still needs to be occupied, and luhansk region can be the first

for a reason. they want to hold a referendum there on joining the russian federation, these are not just words. they wanted to announce on the ninth of may during this victory parade that luhansk the donetsk region is part of the russian federation , and then put us in front of the fact that you are not just fighting there on the territory of ukraine, nor are you fighting on the territory of russia, you are violating our territorial integrity, all our actions can be such that you cannot even imagine, that is, actually put ukraine is facing the threat of using any weapon against the ukrainian troops storming the territory of the russian federation, and they started preparing for this not yesterday, not in february 2014, in the 22nd year, they started preparing for this in the 14th year and the clear decision that it will be russia was made, according to my observations, when

mass passporting of residents of donetsk and luhansk regions began, when people there began to receive mass passports of citizens of the russian federation, when people there actually began to be encouraged to refuse e- e of ukrainian citizenship, so that they first receive passports of the so-called people's republics, these documents of course do not mean anything to a person, therefore, they are simply forced to somehow move, at least they are forced to receive this is a russian passport and then a direct road to accusations of ukraine that it violates the rights of citizens of the russian federation. federation is violated and this is not a russian citizen because the southern session was never part of the russian federation it was all the time an autonomous region within the

georgian ssr what is the point of russian citizenship and there are no ethnic russians there, all the prices that live in this same russian federation live there, in georgia, in different countries of the caucasus, but they are definitely not ethnic russians. well, after that, they accused the whites of violating the rights of russian citizens, now that this is exactly what they are doing with us and of course they will continue this passporting so that only citizens of the russian federation come to this referendum on joining russia in luhansk region and donetsk region, or maybe they don't come at all. organize a referendum just for the picture in some donetsk, put up a couple of booths, film all of this for russian television, show all of this and then be completely calm, so you see, the referendum passed, the majority of the residents of donetsk region and luhansk region voted to join the russian federation, all according to the crimean scenario , but in order to all this happened, if it went smoothly, it is necessary that there should be no hostilities

precisely on the territory of these regions and that the territory of these regions should be fully incorporated into the russian federation so that there is no so that we control here. we control you. what is the reason? i repeat again, we must always remember that the reason for this war was precisely connected with the fact that putin seemed to respond to the request of karmana or in these so-called people's republics, which of course no one from their name has anything to do with helping them against ukrainian aggression, that ukraine is occupying their state territories, that there is a free territory of ukraine in donetsk region and luhansk region, that it is actually the territory of the russian federation or the people's republics of donbas. it even has the meaning is what it is called from their point of view and it is clear that this is all a huge problem that you and i are currently facing, i do not think that it is necessary to explain it once again how

important is the role of our armed forces of our territorial defense that defends luhansk region and donetsk region and does not give putin and all this kremlin mosquito the opportunity to implement their life plan because it will be a new situation political new situation not military political new situation and russia will do everything possible to use this new uh the situation for their own benefit, how are they, all such fakes are used in order to force them to agree with their cargo and this continues again, not five, not eight, but 30 years, practically all this policy is the main policy of russia in the post- soviet space, we will return literally in a few minutes of new ether friends stay with them artists inventive people rainmakers they are quite versatile people they can be what to do we invent what does not need to be cooked