during the crisis, there will be an even bigger problem with food and we will still have to solve this issue, so it is better to stop it and win in this line now, and putin has to lose more than that. also, we are talking about the fact that there should be a special tribunal by the way, the americans also say absolutely the same words during the discussions, yes, europe, you wanted to go back there to business, the plot, but you have to give credit to the fact that, well , in fact, an unprecedented unification took place in the western world. switzerland is the first time there 200 years violated the rules of its recentness and joined the sanctions, so they don’t send us weapons eh well, covering their neutrality there, they even block weapons from germany, they eh, well, in the manufacturers eh but nevertheless, they at least sanction together with the western world is it possible to give us some slack now, no, it’s not possible, because it will be easier

there somehow well, to be quick to agree to something, to consider part of the territory, which i also tell them, when they ask me if there is a secret from journalists, well , i say and are you ready to give there no i don't know london, because there are a lot of russians there, and they live there, or a part of it, or not, there are a lot of russians there, too. well, you bought a lot of houses. this is a rhetorical question. what do they respond to? let me ask . they understand what i mean. thank you, mrs. yevhenii and yevheniya kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian and information policy, was with us on the espresso broadcast straight from davos . such of powerful effects is that the russian house, which was usually a place of grandiose parties with a

black cut of champagne, turned into a russian house of war crimes this year, where all delegates from all countries attending the world economic forum this year can see with their own eyes the photos evidence and facts of the russian aggression in ukraine, and we are waiting for the effects of this world economic forum . leaders from all over the world, we managed to prove for sure that russia is not part of the civilized western world, we still have a little more to win in this war and prove again that we are such a part and that we are not just beggars or guests asking for help, this is broadcast by hanna shelest director of the security studies program of the

ukrainian foreign policy council prisma, congratulations ms. hanna, good evening, and in the continuation of our conversation, please share your own feelings about what to expect from this year's davos and to what extent the sounding of the theme of ukraine is important, and it is this platform, how significant is the speech of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, according to your feelings, please, in any platform, ukraine should be used 100% for today, that's why it's cannes, it's well the audience is different and each of them has its own weight, this is worth understanding, because at the moment ukraine is trying to reach completely different geographical audiences and social groups . business and not about politics, but at the moment everyone perfectly understands how business and politics have become interconnected, we have seen the consequences of what is happening due to the blocking

of our ports and this is the number one topic that we constantly intuit on any platform is just returned after a week in the united states at every meeting with the new foam basement, you have more than 10 cuts, there was always grain and the unblocking of ports in the south of ukraine, so i think that at the moment if we can use the davos site as much as possible, and in order to talk about the problems that exist at the moment and for that one european ball. you talk about the reconstruction of ukraine. about the future marshall plan or about future investments in ukraine . this is no less important because we understand the consequences of the war for the ukrainian economy today and it is worth thinking about because it is not 72, it will take two hours to deliver heavy weapons, but much more. in order for business to return to ukraine, thank you

. and it is interesting that this year, as my co-presenter andriy saichuk in davos, the topic of the marshal's plan for the restoration of ukraine is heard , the president of the world economic forum in davos called bergge brandy to this. well, interestingly, he stated that even without a peace agreement, which is currently unlikely, we will start work on reconstruction at least in the districts which are under the control of ukraine, the marshall plan for ukraine, which sounds from the platform in davos, what prospects do you think you know, i think that the prospects are serious enough, we already hear about the creation of separate funds, both european and international, for the restoration of ukraine, and international organizations and individual countries are ready for this, and in principle, we have already begun to receive some help for the reconstruction of those places that have

suffered, for example, around kyiv, these are the bricks for this plan of the conditional marshal what do we call it by analogies? and we talked about it now at all the meetings that took place in recent weeks, and expert politicians in europe and the united states are all ready for what is already possible to start restoring certain areas in ukraine as soon as a certain territory is liberated, there is a willingness of our partners to return there because they understand how important a normal life is from a social, economic, political point of view and for and psychological to demonstrate that no matter what the destruction all this can be restored and it needs to be restored and it will not be a big deal, it is not difficult to say it will depend on many factors, but it is familiar to our

international partners. and what else is even at the level not only states, but even at the content level, there is a willingness to connect and help, we already hear the statements of, for example, the greek government there regarding the readiness to restore mariupol, the italian court to mykolaiv, all this. would like to emphasize when we say the marshall plan, it seems to me that we already have such a cliché, in fact, that it is about a huge amount of money that we will be given a mouse and with the help of our own companies of our workers, something is there. we will master it somehow, and maybe they will even come to us somewhere and they will even build something for us, and everything will be very well built in us, and we will live on our own. then, well

, marshall's plan, the original marshall's plan, if you look at how much i -e studied this question , in fact, in monetary terms, it was often not so significant for individual countries, well , for some, more, for some, less, and the idea of ​​the marshall plan was completely different, too. also, nothing confirmed, but i tried to talk about this lady kravchuk said that so far this marshall plan has been stretched for 10 years with some transactions of 500 million, which is very little, in fact, this is a very important moment, once again returning to mr. marchenko, who in fact also made public his vision for the reconstruction of ukraine and there is a very a lot of government regulation, a lot of government intervention in the economy, raising taxes, among other things, well, in a word, i would like you to give your opinion on this, too. well, of course , at the moment, we do not have a complete configurations, that's why i say that we tentatively say

the marshall plan because there are different options and it can be like a certain umbrella where there will be separate money that is provided to the state budget separately , those humanitarian projects that are ready to be provided for reconstruction by both individual companies and individual there cities or governments, and somewhere it can be technical assistance, as we received, for example, from the european union , that is, at the moment, we tentatively say the marshall plan is simply a reconstruction plan. and that it is not just the money that will be provided ukraine has already had to hear from european partners, for example, that some of them would like to make the provision of money dependent on reforms in ukraine, the continuation of reforms on our european path, and this is correct because we see how ready ukraine is when its direct dependence there and reforms on the provision of its regime, for example , the same thing, i think that it can be a good incentive for scandinavian news to use this

chance for reconstruction to change ukraine. for example, if we are talking about the restoration of buildings immediately start talking about energy efficiency immediately talk about the green economy, that is, in order to build a new house instead of the one that was destroyed, and in order for us to build a house that would be a few steps ahead of the one that is now because we have this e it is a chance and it should be used, and we had to hear this from the faithful from sweden and estonia, that is, from those countries that use these innovations and this new green economy in themselves and would like us to immediately foresee similar things, when we will talk about the reconstruction of ukraine, while we are talking, i see fresh news about the reaction of the russian foreign ministry to the visit of the president of poland, because duda and on this initiative

, which in connection with this visit, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, put forward to the secretary maria zakharova of the russian foreign ministry is outraged by this integration of poland and ukraine, hints that this special attitude towards poles is not unheard of at all, they are not separatists. and the president of the country himself, talking about zelenskyi, is giving citizens of another country, i.e. poles, rights on the territory of their state without introducing them to ukrainian citizenship, well, what claims can there be to the crimeans, zakharov says, as if the crimeans themselves chose their own path in this case, and not russia, which occupied the crimea, er, and thus began its aggression against our state. let's go let's try to comment on these not even the words of

sakharova, we understand that the russians are incredibly annoyed by our fraternal ties with the poles . the european union talked about it. after all, duda said that the eu should open its doors to ukraine in june, and they are saying that it should not take 10 or 15 years for ukraine to join the eu, but much shorter . a collective action in the face of russian aggression, defending the world and its values, the values ​​of democracy, the values ​​of humanism, who are now trying to trample on it . the russian federation and its army, yes . kyiv and will western europe listen to eastern europe in matters

of the defense of ukraine and its european and euro-atlantic prospects, well, i will start from the end , because indeed today at all international platforms they are already talking about the fact that the very serious role of eastern europe of the baltic countries in the european of the so-called project, and at the moment it is no longer possible to talk about them as junior partners, but rather as leaders who have demonstrated exactly what is expected from the european union in such a crisis situation, therefore, i think that the role of not only poland, but also the baltic countries has increased, and this voice is heard and understood that at the moment it is not only the voice of france or germany that is decisive in making the most strategic decisions, especially since these countries have demonstrated how much they can do, not only what courage they have, but as far as the visit of the polish president is concerned, it really is quite a precedent, although we have seen a

lot of visits at the highest level to ukraine, but he had a lot of war and about what ukrainian refugees are not refugees in poland, but they are guests of this country and, of course, about the european perspective and about overcoming the historical past of the problems that we have between states, let's not forget that such a reaction is the russian federation . we know about various projects invested in by the russian federation in order to spoil relations between the two countries. we know very well that my colleagues have studied how russian propaganda has worked for the past eight years very actively in order to incite all these historical images that exist between the two states and bring them to the political level, so in this case we understood the indignation that we heard from moscow after all these

statements were made in kyiv and all this heat on the situation we observed, but now as far as the european perspective is concerned, to what extent will they hear it? and you know that the french statement was certainly quite incorrect, and because in this case, among ukraine, how ready will we be to make the reforms that are foreseen? and what are they because the process after the acquisition of a candidate, the so-called process of negotiations begins, and there are many sections, each of which is opened and negotiations are conducted on it, it is sometimes enough to have technical negotiations on certain reforms in accordance with the standards that exist in the european union, so these negotiations are based on the example of others. one chapter can be finished there in three months, others take five years to be considered, everything depends on specific conditions in the country, the readiness to adopt certain reforms, and the readiness to adopt standards and search of these compromises, proving one's position, how

quickly it will happen, no one can predict it. it depends on a million reasons both inside ukraine and during these negotiations , so talk about 15 or not until these chapters have been opened and although it has not started, if the process of these negotiations then you won't even be able to imagine the amount of work that will need to be done for ukraine, because i don't know , madam, how do you feel about this, about this rhetoric that we protect all of europe that is exactly why we have to be admitted to the european union, again, so that because in the european union, for example, if you are a farmer, and you have it, it really protects, it is definitely, but look at what, what, what , on the eve of the war, we were on the 127th place in the rating of economic freedom between belarus and russia, which one of them was superior to us russia

it seems that this is the first moment, this is primarily an economic union and a political union from a political point of view we are also a country with a partial democracy, we see that in you can, for example, us take and turn off some channels there and this type considers it okay without a court decision. that is, this is also important. i am only talking about the fact that it is possible to take some kind of advance to the european union, but what will this mean again if in the european union, for example, if you farmer and you fall under the e-e, for example , the assistance program for a small farmer, you will be given 70 or 90%, it seems, even a loan for equipment, but you will be told that it will be, for example, italian equipment , an italian combine, there are no options here, you will buy exactly italian equipment, this is absolutely not what they imagine us to be, for example, i'm sure , in the same way, there are some of our manufacturers of some non-competitive machines, for example, there are different machines and

so on. of this skeptical position in absolutely all plans, except for the military one, here i believe valery zaluzhny and i always quote cherche, who said that i see no reason to be pessimistic during, especially during the war, since i have exactly 500 million dollars here, and i am recovering well, we just have to remember that these are funds together with the money of russian oligarchs and the company. what other money in the world should be confiscated? a lot of money for direct investments. what do you want here? the question actually asked about rhetoric. i have no doubt that ukraine will be in the european union or not. the european union has more of a second name, i like it less here, it will drive the ussr away but nevertheless, it 's just a matter of rhetoric itself, we are here for you, we shed blood, you owe us i don't like it here, you are absolutely loyal because it's a

slightly different things, that's why i started with the fact that acquiring the status of a candidate is almost decided, but then the real work begins and then the reforms and negotiations on these sections begin, one section is the rule of law, the other is agriculture, the third is the judiciary, the fourth - this is migration. that is, these will already be very, very substantive conversations, but remember our agreement on association, the majority of the pages here are very substantive, and the obligations that ukraine took on, so a-a, as for what concerns later, they are objective and more scrupulous in relation to the obligations that ukraine will take on, and of course we will agree on certain things and these will also be transitional drinks. political as well as economic, because we

actually undertake to join the great family of 25 countries where there are already certain rules, principles, bureaucracy, its own conditions, and from there to the terms of financial transparency to standards for agricultural machinery, and we must be ready for all this, and then, of course, we must respect the requirements of the european union, because we are joining them. they are not joining us, so we agree to certain rules. so when we become members, we we will already shape and influence these rules, but on the other hand, of course, we should be ready, and you won't get anywhere with the european bureaucracy here either. rhetoric like the fact that we will only be there in 20 years, it is not worth it, but to exaggerate, if you can say so, in order to

better understand your expectations and opportunities and what our membership depends on, thank you, thank you, mrs. hanna hanna shelest, the director of the security studies program of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prizma, was in touch with us . while andriy spread his skepticism here to the masses, i finally figured out the time magazine rating and can already say exactly how the situation looks. so volodymyr zelenskyi last week took first place in the timesto survey of influential people this year in a certain people people from all over the world choose the most influential people of the year according to the magazine and here representatives from different countries from all corners of the world voted for volodymyr zelenskyi and he is on the first place, but now today he appeared. in fact , he is already among the top 100 most influential people in the world

according to the version of the editors of time magazine, and what is interesting is that there is no first or second place in this list. this the list of one hundred people is divided into six categories uh, this is uh, the next categories are icons , pioneers, titans, artists, leaders, innovators, and uh actually, volodymyr zelenskyi found himself in the category of leaders and entered the top 100 most influential people in the world according to the magazine. we can say the list of leaders for sure. well, i will repeat that the most influential person of the year is 2022. it is probably very strange for us, for ukrainians, but he still became the prime minister of a far-off country for us, barbados. readers volodymyr zelenskyi. what about us? today we won't show up, total points, and zelensky is winning, which is very reminiscent of the situation with

the european vision. yes, of course, i think that this reminds me of, indeed, volodymyr of this year, a philatelist and blogger, is in touch with us, and this is actually the top topic of today's today we will remind you that this new ukrposhta stamp was released today. it is a continuation of the previous series of this stamp from the very beginning of the day, although ukrposhta announced it on 14 and hours, however, right there from the 7th at eight o'clock in the morning , huge queues have already lined up near ukrposhta branches all over the country, let's ask volodymyrech, did you manage to buy the legendary e stamp and how was your day today? good day,

you know, i decided after all to wait out this excitement because, uh, you stand all day in a multi-kilometer queue, unfortunately, there was no opportunity . in a simpler way than today. the main thing is that it still remains. i wouldn’t be so optimistic in your city because i, for example, failed to buy a stamp last time, but luckily it was given to me. let us remind you that the new stamp is called the russian warship . even those who have never collected stamps of ukraine are hunting for it, they consider it, well, a symbol of ukrainian resistance, yes, of ukrainian

character and, well, rebellious, and actually the start of the sale today was chosen not by chance, today is the day marines of ukraine and also the 40th day since the sinking of the legendary cruiser moskva v volodymyr. so why do you think these brands with the sunken russian cruiser are so popular as you see it. there are many factors that contribute to this. first of all, ukraine actually became a victim of this aggression, that is why we have such attention of the entire world community, but there is also a second factor that thanks to our armed forces, the cruiser went where it was sent, and this became such an additional asset in the growth and growth the level of interest in this stamp. well, actually, we understand with you that the last three months ukraine is in

trend all-ukrainian is in trend, its philately is no exception, therefore the first issue of stamps, today's issue of stamps and the upcoming issues that will be dedicated to the war, they will be in trend and around them will be hype ugh, volodymyr well, i myself used to collect a little bit of stamps in my childhood well, i collected a couple of albums for a while, here and there, and then i threw something away anyway, and what do you think , is this story with stamps, in general, eh she she passed she talked about the fact that we have a real interest that we have many philatelists in ukraine and all these people standing in line or is this an attempt? for example, i calculated that if we have 5 million stamps and stamps and they are somewhere there they don't know how much uah 50 is. yes, uah 50, well, it's just that, in addition to all that, it's also a good help to ukrposhta. well , according to the budget, because this is a state-owned enterprise, but what

does this hype mean to you, both for a philatelist and for a citizen ? ukrposhta does not pursue such excessive financial appetite for all these stories, in contrast to some other countries in africa or oceania , that's why here she holds the stamp very clearly, and it's really cool for philateists, you know. well, the last few days, i've been visiting friends of acquaintances and in several i saw uh or envelopes of the first day or stamps that were framed and hung on the wall next to expensive paintings or with other valuable things there and these people had nothing to do with philately and 1510 i understand that this is such a symbol is a symbol of the modern ukrainian national liberation struggle and it is great that today we will talk about

the philately. we understand that this is the popularization of ukraine - but this is not the main point - it is a turning of attention to the problem that we have today in russian, in less than two minutes i would risk throwing over such a historical bridge, we know that these were stamps which were omitted by the central rada of the ukrainian people's republic more than 100 years ago, when we first fought so seriously with the russians for our independence. that's why the mark becomes this opportunity for symbols and national identity . envelope actually today and they she

went somewhere somewhere and they knew about her, they saw her, they admired ukrainian stamps, they always admired them. therefore, this is one of the elements of statehood , e.e., the stamp of the national operator is one of elements of our state, let us remind you that this brand markus was presented by the russian military ship that went in a known direction yesterday, was presented by the ukrainian government, the president in poland, because dudi is actually more optimistic here, the news of today is that the author of this famous phrases about the russian warship of the border guard, is the name not disclosed at the moment, it was managed to be taken out of russian captivity, the head of the border outpost, zmiiny island, bohdan gotskyi said in broadcast of the telethon of the nation. thank you for your attention. andriy saichuk and maria gurska conducted

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