the price of more and faster modern weapons in the war with russia and this is the number one question from today's meeting. volodymyr zelenskyy spoke about the ministry of defense, but there it is about larger weapons systems, but secondly, the mentality of the west is changing and quite quickly, we just talked about the internal discussion, but it is very important that under the time of these ramstein meetings, as we call them now, they passed before the war, what ukraine needs to win, not only for the resistance, not only to stop putin, but in order to to directly defeat and liberate our territories , this is actually the main story so that we don’t

talk about long, exhausting negotiations where putin will make everyone’s head spin again by loading energy-carrying nuclear weapons and everything possible , so it is critical for us that the rambransteins say yes, there will definitely be more weapons, so ukraine in in the future, it will completely switch to western weapons. this is the story of the zlendlizom, of course, first of all for the war, for victory, but also so that both during the war and after the war, we completely switched to western weapons and to western standards of logistics and intelligence, absolutely everything so that we become a de facto member of nato. well, then the way is already possible without any additional bureaucratic or political tools, such as an action plan regarding

membership, and you see that sweden and finland they will go , as they say, we transport without such an action plan, uh, they are of course there according to the indicators of sustainable democracy or the rule of law, they are very cool there, they are at the top in all the ratings, but i think that we will also add and it will actually be so strategic the solution, maybe rammstein is about help now , about tactics, but also about strategy for the near term, of course, when we talk about the future, i can’t help but recall the words of the minister of defense of ukraine, oleksiy reznikov, last week , he said that ukraine is entering the phase of a protracted war because the russians are -e continue to dig in and create fortifications in the south of ukraine, when we talk about a protracted war , we are of course talking first of all about ukraine, about what kind

of war this will be for ukraine, but we must to talk about what this means for the world because the world is now facing a food crisis because ukraine cannot deliver its grain or part of the grain, the russians stole it and took it to their country eh all ports of ukraine are blocked by the russians the world also eh expects a worsening of the food situation no only food situations, what does a protracted war mean for the world, mr. pavla, it means for us, of course, a threat. well, okay, not a threat, but it is nevertheless a challenge that many countries will begin to look not at military logic but not economically, they will begin to calculate how wheat and corn will continue to grow, how oil will grow, what will become of the

son and seeds for liquefied gas, and of course this is quite a threat already in europe, there is a lot of talk about this, as well as in asia, and there they say well, what should we do next and what should we do with the resource crises that are really looming over us and are actually all around us? let's talk with putin. so we'll let him win, but then there's all that macaron said about saving face and so on. well, it's very simple for me a simple sentence if you want, if you need ukrainian grain, yes, ukraine supports the world and we are humane people, well, look at us ukrainians, but nevertheless, you want grain, but make putin believe that the corridors were open so that it all works, what is happening now this is an

attempt to exhaust both ukraine and the world, and then he perfectly understands that the further he goes, the stronger the sanctions will be on him, this means that he needs to somehow jump out of this situation and this is the number one story for him, say what you see around crisis after crisis well, let's start to negotiate somewhere, but negotiate at the expense of ukraine they keep saying there we are not going to surrender a-a but why at the expense of ukraine and of course one of the key risks for today we must be honest about this today in davos is happening all over the world - an economic forum in parallel with ramstein 2 and e volodymyr zelenskyi has already spoken there, he said that the world should introduce a ban on russian oil, do not

give the aggressor the impression that the world will not do enough defend the resistance immediately to the maximum freedom and normal order in the world that is useful for everyone, this is what we should be, the sanctions should be maximum so that russia, every potential aggressor who wants to be under a tough war against a neighbor, clearly knows what this immediately leads to and such sanctions against russia, i believe that they still do not exist should be margo on russian oil, complete blocking of all banks without exception, complete rejection of the russian it sector, complete termination of negotiations with the aggressor, said zelensky, who participated in this forum online will the world hear paul zelenskyi? no, he will hear the question. the only thing is that not everyone, especially in europe, has the political will, as they say, and someone

says that these are political eggs to go so far that it would really hit the putin regime hard. and everything that is currently happening and being discussed in davos is actually about globalization in the classical sense, that is, the dependence of supply chains on each other, supply of resources for security, and it was seen as interconnected things, this is largely a thing of the past and this is very clearly visible not only in political statements, it is very clearly visible in the statements of many business leaders, eh well, here is one of the ideas that biden brought to asia is to completely review critical supply chains, the same thing and we have to do it, realizing that we have a short shoulder to europe, a short shoulder to turkey, are we really on the

silk road, we need to take advantage of our unique advantages, this is only possible when we have security and predictability here, but nevertheless today's davos well, not only today's but in particular today's talk about the fact that globalization in the classical sense is coming to an end, but what will happen next , political experts and many people are working very hard and arguing a lot about it, because no one knows how it will look, not everyone is used to the fact that the world is global and now we have countries that are actually revanchist or want to create spheres of influence for themselves, and this means that the world will not change like this in the next 10 years, we have to be ready for that, and ukrainians are actually ready, first of all

reality, therefore, until today's hearing, 100% must listen to us. we said a lot about it , someone listened to us, someone tried to do something but failed, now let them learn from their mistakes, among other things, president zelenskyy says that our victory over russia will be bloody in battle, but the ending is quoted for sure will be diplomatic when we talk about diplomacy and diplomacy in the sense of russian diplomats in the context of russian diplomacy , the question always arises as to whether it is ready at all russian diplomacy before dialogue, if this diplomacy can still be called diplomacy, because with the beginning of the great war, russian diplomacy, well, de facto ceased to exist, it is some kind of division, a small division in the administration of president

putin. how do you see a possible dialogue between russia and ukraine or ukraine and russia because it is clear that wars end sooner or later, people still sit down at the negotiating table to agree on something. is dialogue and dialogue on equal terms with the russian federation possible? victory over the russian federation and this will be a dialogue that will be called acceptance of the surrender of putin's russia. i don't believe in classical dialogue. i already said that i don't believe in the peace agreement because it is very difficult to sign a peace agreement with someone who wants to kill you. at the moment, russia is ready to talk, but it is ready to talk not with us, but with events only on its own terms. and we need it to be ready to talk with us and on our terms with the support of the event. this is a completely different situation

. i do not see such readiness in russia today, and putin is tarnished in his desire to destroy ukraine , he continues his offensive, besides, he has at least some victory to show in russia, because if he does not show it, russia will collapse sooner or later, we must understand that it has a certain reserve of strength, but it can collapse quite unexpectedly, this does not mean that it will crumble to pieces, it may be a reboot, an overload, all that one may be, as a result, there may be some combined options. but nevertheless, we perfectly understand that a serious conversation with putin can begin. she it can start, one day, we will be on the same side, and we and the west are the strongest position, and the situation on the battlefield should be such that russia would be forced to speak on our terms, this is actually a

key story, and then a serious conversation will begin . i don't i know who will determine the rules later , not putin. nevertheless, a serious conversation is possible only if putin understands that he will not get any further advancement in ukraine. i did not mention russian diplomacy or not diplomacy for nothing. to the russian ministry of foreign affairs, because from 2014 to 2019, many series of negotiations were held with russian colleagues, whether or not they were colleagues. i don’t know how to call them correctly in principle. well, let’s say, not colleagues. i slandered the representatives of the russian ministry of foreign affairs. people with whom you can have a dialogue, who understand, because i

understand that you were witnesses of the first minsk agreements and the second and participants in these negotiations , are they capable of any dialogue at all, are they capable of listening to ukrainians, or are they all are in the paradigm, as they say, of vladimir putin and in this anti-ukrainian and which is now happening in russia, of course, i have not communicated with them for a long time. but nevertheless, i saw that the russian foreign ministry has gone on some kind of propaganda wave and is absolutely not independent, it has never been e- he was always in some kind of parallel reality and followed putin's instructions. you know that. once upon a time there was an international department in the communist party, but now the ministry of foreign affairs has turned into such an international department. that well, as they say, we do where they send us, that's why i don't

see any independence in the actions of today's russian foreign ministry, and there won't be . this means a decrease in the kremlin's ambitions. so when they talk about a decrease in the kremlin's ambitions for ukraine, what does this mean? and i would never underestimate the enemy, especially someone like putin, he can regroup at any time and move on, he can to put thousands more people in the south in the east in order to seize more of our lands and more ukrainians

, he still does not care about the people, the people in the system of putin's regime are worthless, they are basically of no interest to anyone, that's why putin can go further and, moreover, he can try to soothe and lull everyone and then er throw out some trick er he is almost driven into a dead end about this biding recently he said that he is worried and what will putin do in order to jump out of this dead end and from that there are conversations going on in the west. let's avoid humiliation, let's save his face, or what else is wrong with him, so, unfortunately, these are conversations that should bother us, but once again, this is how we really stopped one of the strongest armies in the world and

messes of corruption in russia the army should not let anyone into oman, this is really uh surgical from this society from the armed forces uh drive which we showed it is one of the coolest armies they didn't hit it and by the way i'm not sure that many aluminates could do what now they did and ukrainians do but unfortunately putin still has the potential, he has weapons and he perfectly understands that this is for him, as they say, either he is a dictator or soon he will not be a dictator at all, so stop it, it does not mean that putin will not go further, let's not introduce ourselves i'm wrong, i'm talking about this again. by the way, you mentioned the north atlantic alliance. last week, finland and sweden

officially submitted applications to the nato headquarters to join the north atlantic alliance. there were a lot of comments about this. erdoğan's reaction the reaction of the turkish side, the reaction of the russian side, against this background, of course, many questions arise about what exactly putin achieved when he entered the territory of the ukrainian state and spoke about the fact that our main task is to ensure that there are no nato missiles, nato missiles, so that nato was not near our borders, although nato is now closer than he thinks to the russian borders. i mean , in the case of a decision on finland and sweden, how do you assess the prospects for the first entry of finland and sweden into nato? secondly, a logical question arises if, er, sweden and finland join nato, what actually

prevents us? as you said, with such an army that is ready to defend the freedom and independence of the state and demonstrate incredible successes, what prevents us from submitting an application to nato because well, in principle since 1945, finland has been a neutral state and promised that it will not be a member of the north atlantic alliance, it has this agreement or its agreement with the soviet union, it has already moved, that is, they are already joining nato, and we have obligations to russia there is nothing that prevents us from applying for donations, only the too cautious position of some nato member countries does not want to talk to putin from a position of strength, some kind of desire to

avoid escalation is completely incomprehensible to me, when i was told before that what do you understand, but if putin goes to war now you can still say yes , there is already a war and how much you can endlessly engage in boltology about ukraine 's membership in nato, finland, sweden will definitely be members of nato, they will solve their problems with russia he has a question there about the activities of the kursk groups, but it will all be resolved. well, plus, he wants the sanctions to discourage the purchase of russian air defense systems, he wants american planes, i think that what nato will get will become stronger, as a result, the country will become even stronger but for that, you and i need to talk about skeptics in relation to the eu, but there are also french or germans who say, well,

if we now say, ok, to donate to the ukrainian promotion, then putin will use either nuclear weapons or something else, but this war that we are currently waging with russia is not about guarantees , which putin does not believe in, it is about the desire to destroy ukraine as such, and putin really planned what was to happen in our country not as a war, but about he wanted to put yanukovych , who is still there, in an attack of schizophrenia, in a fit of schizophrenia, he considers it legitimate to land landing troops in order to capture kyiv and so on. well, since his ego has been broken, he will continue to try more and more in addition to leading we have a war to blackmail european countries, and

this is actually the main obstacle to our membership . well, in the end, we have to convince the americans that ukraine in nato is a safer option for the entire transport community than ukraine outside the formal framework nato i am absolutely sure that this will happen and i say again that after this war nothing will happen as arbitrarily i believe in it i just feel it by the way, when you talk about the fact that after our victory there will be nothing that is now in the world about the security system, including, well, obviously it will still be reformed or at least adapted to new realities, there are absolutely logical questions, how ukraine can still preserve its independence, its

freedom, and people's lives health and to protect ourselves from an obsessive neighbor, which is the russian federation, because well, we will not be able to change our neighbor , or at least somehow create certain borders that will protect us from the flight of cruise missiles or from strikes from the caspian sea or from of the black sea, how do you see the future of ukraine , but in this security system, it is clear that we will join nato. but it is possible that there will be some additional internal , uh, there must be serious changes in the state in ukraine in order to ensure itself. more thoroughly than it was until february 24, 2022. first, the armed forces of western weapons are real, well-

trained, well-prepared, integrated into western ones, as well as special services, as well as the production of weapons here in ukraine, and the newest. well, if we now we use dions, why can’t we produce them in the future, we can do all this, the second moment, it’s a nuclear umbrella, american , british, until the moment of joining nato. well, the same guarantees now until the moment of joining nato, but sweden , finland. well, why can’t we today you heard what biden said about japan, well, in this case, we should get the same. and then it really ensures our security when we are cool and they support us with a nuclear umbrella, everything else, some words. i don’t really believe in it, it’s possible and not bad a story that can be talked about that can become

part of the security system in the future but nevertheless , we are entering a world in which, in the end, uh, well, two things are valued: our ability to repel attacks and a concrete desire to close us uh with a nuclear strike if we nuclear states are attacking, i don't really see any other options today. well, a very important point is related to economic and social stability. we must be strong enough as a country and economically to support our armed forces and all security and defense sector ot in fact, everything is very simple 1 2 3 but zelensky signed the law on the confiscation of assets of persons who support the aggression of the russian federation , we are talking about those people who called or

are calling putin to come to ukraine, and we are talking about those people who have been in the status of er for a long time they didn't consider themselves to be the fifth column there, or at least that's how we defined them, political parties, factions, including in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, not the russian orthodox church, a branch and many, many other structures that prepared or who were the co-authors of this great invasion of russia into ukraine, now we see how in the verkhovna rada the opz faction is being renamed to some other name again in a lifetime, and this transformation will obviously take place in the business that was oriented towards and in the representatives of this business in ukraine and it is possible that there will be some kind of transformation from the russian orthodox church

. why, after all, is the ukrainian state so slow to respond to these challenges that the state faces from those persons who threaten and have threatened and continue to threaten the national defense and security well, there are probably fears about the destabilization that they can do. i think that now is the time during the war, uh, to strictly ban all those structures that are either dependent on russia or cooperate with it, this is not so much a question of politics, of course, ours they are controlled by the special services there, this is a moral and worldview issue, we cannot cooperate with anyone who is really tied to russia, full stop, and here we need to approach absolutely systematically, ban all this and clean up the fifth column. we are glad that

there, the decision-maker can be subject to sanctions. his privileges or offices are being taken away from him. well, yes, then let's look in the mirror and do everything we need to do. the first steps are already there. zelenskyi is doing it well, but the point is, of course, it must be brought to a logical end and the war - this is just the best best time for that, one more question at the end of our conversation, since i am faced with this question quite often now when western journalists invite me to a conversation and explain what is happening in ukraine. they always they ask the following, and please explain. how can it be that there is an azov regiment operating in ukraine, which is accused of nazism or fascism? there are a lot of questions about this, about these narratives that russian propaganda imposes in

europe . i think that you are also faced with these questions and the representatives of italy, portugal and holland asked me about the weeding of azov, why there is no effective propaganda or counter- propaganda in ukraine. propaganda channels of russia and why our propaganda machine still does not work as the russian one works in russia and does not convey the truth about what is happening in ukraine, why? i think that we will actually win the information war in the west. a lot of money, and in fact, especially there, in italy, the topic of russian propaganda is very noticeable

. retail is all, in fact, it is known and we just have to approach it very systematically and allocate the countries to appoint the responsible for them. i also heard about the issue in a strange way, but you know, there are much less of them now than before, but in reality, it is simply several times less eh, that is, people saw mariupol on the screens they saw the heroism of azov, they understood what azov is really about, and for me it was such a symbolic, very hydraulic decision, you probably remember when the japanese removed uh, azov from the list of terrorist organizations, the japanese always treat it very close-up, they study every detail like that and then they ask everyone there and what they were cleaning, this is actually such a significant change, eh, after all, the

event is now ideologically put in a completely different way, but the information war will not stop and must be waged 24/7 and beyond and after the victory, it will be necessary to lead here, both the state and the ukrainians, by the way, the ukrainians joined it very well. but now i can even see when they say to me, and i hear. using these meteors of ours talk don't don't leave it no no as they say don't give up go ahead it's very, very yes for me do n't refuse communication don't refuse interviews work in social networks and most importantly this is actually very important it's very serious nothing works like personal conversations with those who you know in the west now in the west millions of ukrainians therefore use every chance