known to act, then they will bury all their money, run away and everything, and this source of reconstruction of ukraine is extremely important, we will simply lose it, that is why i raised this issue at a meeting with the minister of foreign affairs of great britain with other officials and will continue to raise our task to prevent the russians from withdrawing their dirty funds and hide them myself. even then, if allowed, it is very important to definitely emphasize that the marshal's plan is, and i hope so. if we talk about the original marshall plan, it was primarily about structural transformations, about liberalization of the economy, as well as the introduction of free circulation of goods there, and so on . the marshal plan was significant, but not so large, its total amount was 16 billion dollars, it seems, well, of

course, there were conversions to those at that rate significant funds, but they were not incredibly large, always for the whole of europe. we often talk about the fact that this is, first of all, money for which we need something. better yet, we ourselves will say who will do it, we will build it and we will rebuild it, but the marshal's plan consists of something to another liberalization. and when we hear, for example, a statement from mr. marchenko , the minister, that we should remove taxes and that the role of the state should be increased in the future, there is the question of whether this marshall plan coincides with the plan for the reconstruction of ukraine that is in the ukrainian government, and this question is primarily for mrs. isko, for sure , yes, i share the concern that we really need to do everything so that it is easier for ukrainian business and ukrainian society, especially during wartime, but there are separate statements that say that there are specific officials uh, what should be

done on a serious check or raise taxes? i am convinced that now is not the time for this. this is my personal opinion, and i am convinced that this opinion uh, sooner or later is supported at the full state level, because we know that now there is a very serious opposition to this and president zelenskyi is determined to do everything to help ukrainian society and for our foreign partners to help us how it will happen with what funds and i hope that in the coming months we will know the answers to these questions i know that our foreign partners are ready help a lot, they keep asking yesterday who i didn’t talk to, everyone asks what, how are these huge european or global banks or large companies or representatives of states, they all ask how to help, where to direct resources, money, eh, i am

convinced that such help will be provided, but of course we now need to think about weapons first of all, also because the economy is parallel, but if we do not have these weapons to win, unfortunately, we will not be able to rebuild our economy. thank you for this inclusion from davos. oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy for european solidarity. elizaveta esko, people's deputy for the servant of the people, the fruitful work actually succeeded in putting the anthem of the interest of ukraine there in this not simple wartime is extremely important and if we talk about the latest news, we see that the medusa and with reference to own sources and in ukraine we see that the ukrainian media is writing about this ukrainian truth in the kremlin is already looking for a successor putin is hoping that in

the near future he will go like this if he were the mayor of moscow to himself sobyanin, in my opinion, that's what it's called later. his office president, do you understand this? i would like to receive questions on this. a significant number of assassination attempts on putin, and the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine reported about this, bohdanov said that there were a significant number of assassination attempts, and in particular, as budanov says, it is from representatives of the caucasus, but unfortunately, an unsuccessful castle seems to me to be an unsuccessful one the attempt was depicted by the authors of the animated

series masyanya, so in the series dedicated to ukraine , then the author of the series oleg kubaev sends his heroine, the fairy-tale heroine masyanya, to such a sadr series in the kremlin, where she brings putin a samurai sword and he commits harakiri and commits suicide after by the way, the cartoon was banned by russia, the authors gave their entire series to ukrainians. well, i didn’t even watch masha the bear, i hope there is also a series like putin is eaten by the bear, or there may be an episode already you can also see the executive director of the center for economic strategy, mr. hleby good day good day, some very good old good days before the war, we so-called often started conversations sometimes there with the economic expectations of the moods of

ukrainians, consumer sentiments, now there is a censor and talking about consumer sentiments and of course in fact, they are now extremely important. because economic stability in the country, in particular, depends on these sentiments, we understand that alternative options are some kind of panic buying of foreign currency, ah, active buying of imported goods, which will essentially also lead to the outflow of currency from ukraine and actually insufficient support for domestic production. and these are bad scenarios that unbalance the economy, that lead to an increase in prices to the devaluation of the national currency, so we are actually now in a situation that has worsened, that is, which is very bad because of the war economically, on the other hand, the

fact that people adequately perceive that this situation is bad and that it is impossible to afford something that is very superfluous and expensive and accordingly, this actually allows us to preserve this stability, not to allow further dispersal of the targets, sir, sir, actually, in this direction , at the beginning, we recorded with them that we had a positive balance, that is, imports have decreased greatly, now back to us, there are a lot of imports they import a lot of that to compensate there . what we don't have in terms of consumer goods is generally a problem, as i understand it. that is, there is pressure on prices and on the hryvnia, so in this sense, what we are currently observing is the exchange rate of the hryvnia . this is what we have there are officially 29-37 in exchangers, this is a normal situation in general. what is your attitude and why, actually, i

want to understand why, at the beginning of the war, it was possible to hold it there, there was such a small jump to 32 there, then it even turned back, and now i have the impression that it is unlikely that it will be possible to roll back. and actually, the fact that 29 and the official who makes money from this, linguistically speaking, let's start with imports, the problem with imports is that, oh, in march, a decision was made about the possibility of importing without vat for those who is on this a new simplified system of 2%, and a single tax. in fact, it reduced the price of imported goods by 18% , in fact, that is, a lot of importers actually switched to these two percent, and this led to the fact that some imports became even cheaper than before the war, which is not normal, but part of imports began to compete with and displace ukrainian production

thanks to this, part of dairy products, for example, was removed from the list of critical imports because ukrainian dairy producers began to lobby for this because it was seriously on their side business, therefore, actually, these are the fears that in march we need to stimulate imports because ukraine will not have the critically necessary amount of goods, in particular food, they turned out to be exaggerated and now we need to make a decision, although it may be unprofitable, unpopular for both part of the business and part of the citizens to return actually these taxes because, first of all, it affects budget revenues, and secondly, even more importantly, it affects domestic producers, which actually create jobs in ukraine now, and unemployment in us increased from 9 to 26% as of april and, accordingly, we need to solve this problem with

regard to the to rate, as it seems to me, the national bank is still doing it correctly by keeping the fixed rate at the level at which it set it on february 24, because until now and then it will remain for at least a month and we will have a deficit in the balance of payments of those items that can be covered and the overlap will be covered by external financing . last week ukraine actually promised a macro-financial help and about 9 billion euros was signed in the united states, which allocates another 8 billion dollars to support the ukrainian budget. that is, these are large sums that will actually cover these two

billion approximately interventions that the national bank must carry out now. and why, first of all, for understanding this is not the trade balance, but primarily the expenses of ukrainian refugees abroad, 4 million people who receive daily support from their relatives, primarily men from ukraine who left here to work well, actually, it is now the most significant pressure on the reserves of the national bank. as for the exchange rate, i completely agree with you that the situation in the cash market looks very strange. and there really were no factors that should have provoked an increase in the growth of the objective rate on the cash market, according to me it seems that in part these hryvnias are accumulated, and in particular, those whose well-being has even increased, that is, those military officers who receive additional

payments . some of them, for example, asked their relatives , that is, or if they themselves are not on the front line or who are, then they asked their relatives to buy currency in case and accordingly, since the market is extremely narrow in contrast to the usual situation of the pre-war situation and in the national bank of the national the bank has now destroyed such a connection between the cash and non-cash market, that is, the cash market functions only within the limits of the cash that is in banks, that is in exchange offices that give some to ukrainians, so it moves very strongly in different directions depending on the mood from speculative actions literally yesterday the exchange rate for sale in kyiv was 38.5 today it is already 37 very very vulgar if you allow it they say that we had a lot of earners now many

men can leave they sent large sums and this there was currency as well, which came here accordingly. now we have such situations when we have 700,000 in the army, and this is 30-100 thousand salaries , these are hryvnias, which there, for example, women there convert into dollars at home, and this is also additional pressure on the situation with the exchange rate, that is, they can translate into dollars and they can not translate, the fact is that it is exclusively perceived as such a speculative savings tool, as you understand, for life in ukraine in wartime, when there is no foreign tourism. i absolutely do not need cash, plebeian currency. and let's talk a little bit about what's happening with the russian economy, eh, this week's fresh news started with the fact that the world's largest chain of coffee shops, starbucks, also announced to exit the russian market after almost 15 years of work, reuters wrote about it and the network joined a number of leading western brands that are leaving russia because of the war against

ukraine, and almost 1,000 companies have stopped their business in russia as of now. how do sanctions against the russian market and against the russian economy in general work? why not yet? a default occurred and when to expect the economic collapse of russia, and there is a problem here. and i think that it is worth speaking honestly about it, and it reflects this in internal russian forecasts of the development of the economy actually this departure of the company from russia, the termination of cooperation , it becomes long-term and, accordingly, this leads to the fact that the forecasts of the development of the russian economy for the following years from the 23rd year are now gradually beginning to seriously deteriorate, on the other hand, the forecasts for this year are beginning to improve because today as you know , there is no oil barge. hungary successfully blocked it. there is no consensus among the decision-making countries,

not only because of hungary's position, but also because of such a theoretical discussion. and what is better? to do better a-a to make an oil embargo, to make some kind of duty or limit price for russian oil so that it does not lead to a situation where the price of oil will rise on the world market after russia stops exporting oil to europe and, accordingly, it leads to such a really strange situation, when today the dollar in russia is already 57 rubles. we remember that at the maximum after the invasion, these figures were under 200 on the black market and under 150 on the official market. imports have decreased, and a lot of e-e imports

are actually blocked on the part of exporters from developed countries who have stopped working on the russian market, and at the same time, the actual export of russian raw materials remains large . sanctions is not the only thing that is good, in fact, that this exchange rate of the dollar is 57 is that in fact, this means that the russian budget receives conditionally less rubles, then we really hope that, after all, measures which now the united states approves, they will still allow to reduce the price of nato and this is the main source of income for the russian economy. i want to be very brief . they may be speculative, he explains how he does it,

but in general he arrived at such a figure as 500 million dollars, which is how much the ukrainian economy could lose according to his calculations, or it is possible to lose but due to an attempt to regulate the prices of retail fuel, what do you think about it, and i think that it is extremely difficult to calculate, but i agree that this state regulation was counterproductive and it, in particular, a-a led to er-er when slowing down the recovery of the ukrainian economy, which began in april, actually in may we they saw that, in particular, according to the estimates of the national bank, the increase in the share of enterprises that resumed work has stopped, and one of the possible explanations is the actual lack of oil products, physical absence, physical impossibility to resume logistics operations to resume operations in those regions where it was necessary to provide transportation, that is why i

think that the first step is the cancellation of regulation with some recommended prices has already been done. i hope that these recommended prices will also go and that at the highest level for a while the prices will stabilize, the market will be saturated, after that the prices will go down. thank you, mr. hleba . oleg rybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, ex-vice-prime minister for european integration , joins our live conversation, congratulations mr. oleg more, former head of the secretariat of the president, that's what it was called, we already had an administration and an office and a secretariat. well, then there was not the worst president and certainly one of the

best managers of his e-office oleg rybachuk well , we will talk about european integration, at least at the beginning of our conversation, we see that in the ministry of foreign affairs of france commented on the position expressed by the president of france emmanuel macron, let us remind you that the french leader said that ukraine's accession to the eu could last several decades and proposed to create a new organization for democratic european countries that are not members of the eu, to which the ukrainian foreign ministry said that this is an attempt to offer ukraine a surrogate and that we we do not agree with this, so the french foreign ministry explains that membership in such an organization outside the eu is not an alternative to membership in the european union, but only a temporary substitute on the way to accession the ministry emphasized that france welcomes ukraine's application for membership. well, they are actually talking about the fact that such a project, proposed by the

french president, aims to strengthen relations with all its neighbors in europe. for those who are candidates, we will do it as soon as possible. oleg, what do you think about it, how sincere is it? explanation of the french foreign ministry and in fact , let's go deeper, we see that in fact the positions of eu leaders from eastern and western europe are very clearly divided, so with regard to ukraine. we hear from the president of poland, because duda in kyiv that the european union must open its doors to ukraine, open them as soon as possible, already in june. ukraine must receive the status of a candidate and further integrate into the european union as soon as possible. at the same time, we see that the signal from the leaders of the eu is the same as that of macron and scholl - this is the chancellor of germany in one voice saying that ukraine it will take 10-15 years, and that will take more years to enter, what can this

discussion lead to, and what does this mean for us, it is fundamental for us to insist on the fact that we do not need to invent a fifth wheel to o stick together to give ukraine a member candidacy, and then we can already there add anything but if we don't get the candidate status in june, we are not satisfied. on the 14th of nato, we were offered an action plan after an action plan, and it seems that some european politicians want to come up with something like this on the way to having the status of a candidate, and this is well, everyone remembers that a candidate is not a full-fledged member organizations that certain conditions are set for the candidate and some countries have been fulfilling these conditions for many years, why

should ukraine come up with something there, especially i am really pissed off when they talk about what, oh, listen , well, it is already there. the balkans have been standing there for many years, turkey has been standing for decades relation to ukraine and compliance with european criteria. therefore, it is important for us to have and fight for public support, because the euroborometer showed that citizens of the european union are in the vast majority in all countries without exception strongly support the idea that ukraine should be a candidate, and for politicians it is very important because politicians are oriented towards voters. then there is a certain well, not a split, but a certain division in the european union, except for poland, which you just mentioned and i now just in gdansk in poland and can confirm that this is indeed a country that

supports ukrainians without any reservations in all relations and then there are the baltic countries, i was recently in vilnius at a conference on security issues that the map organized and the test felt that the biggest allies of ukraine are the baltic countries, because the russians and muscovites destroyed them there for centuries and they directly talk about it . and they know it. there are also scandinavian countries, sweden and finland, which are now becoming nato members . they are our loyal friends, that is, there are countries of central europe, but there are also countries that traditionally germany and france gravitate toward putin, and even germany and france, and no matter what they say, there is an explanation for ancient historical ties, multibillion-dollar contracts that did not work because the germans convinced me for many years that the best way to protect against for the russians to come to ukraine on tanks is

to have a multibillion-dollar contract with them and then we will keep them there on a certain leash, but we see that this leash has easily broken and now these politicians and there in these relations with russia are very there is a lot of corruption, well, you can say it frankly, you can ask frankly, what the hell is there, for example, hungary gets gas many times cheaper than other countries, on what grounds does germany get gas much cheaper, well, it definitely can’t be just like that and i really like what i think is there now the authorities of bulgaria and i support you, let's reveal the cards, let's put the cards on the table, let's all the members of the european union show the contracts on the basis of which they receive russian gas, and you will see that there are market conditions there. it is impossible to simply explain why this is happening, and that is why, accordingly, russia uses these levers. of influence when it directly or indirectly corrupts

certain politicians, gives them some highly monetary positions, and in various gas and oil companies there are ways to support political in this way, putin is trying to influence by dividing the spheres of influence in the european union, but i repeat that the public opinion in the absolute overwhelming majority is in favor of the accession of ukraine, and ukrainian diplomats and ukrainian public figures and fellow journalists are now working literally every day with european capitals so that in june it is accepted decision well, actually, they started like this, here is yours about exactly two months from exactly one month. ukraine's accession to the european union, and we understand that the key decision still depends on two countries , france and germany, which are extremely

eurosceptic about ukraine. ukraine's membership is therefore very important. that's how it really is, well, that's how i was from the first days of the war . in relation to the war, when the first sociological studies there showed somewhere on the second, third, on the second or third day of the war, i did not publish public opinion and there i asked the americans, well, how do they feel about the war in ukraine? we need to get away, it's not our war, as one singer in ukraine sang, and we don't need to get in there, and the letter is not in a couple of days, when the footage of what the racists are doing in ukraine and

the heroic resistance of the ukrainian troops will fly all over the world world literally two days later, 72% of americans began to demand that the american administration help ukraine more actively and believed that america should be close to ukraine just like public opinion . faster, more effectively, give us weapons, give us heavy weapons , that is, this whole war has become symbolic, for american society, this war has become part of the struggle for their values, and they will not stand for it no, no, and that's why politicians react to this situation in germany and france. please note that their diplomatic information is simply repeated from time to time. no, we are there for you, we still understand what you have, you are part of us, but let's try italy. forgot to mention because

italy is also involved in these networks of business from russia and such not quite transparent economic ties and therefore the participation of political ties, so our task with you is to strengthen information and to do the impossible for politicians any attempts to reveal that gray area, that is, that you , well, you're not exactly there, like everyone else, you become a candidate, but we'll come up with some kind of democratic bullshit for you and you'll be there, well, almost like, but not and they're playing with this formula he needs to explain very, very clearly that no, ukraine has the right, we filled out our questionnaire, we made a declaration, we showed how we correspond to european values, and there is a certain logic that if we want to defeat authoritarian forces, we are now there on the front lines if

we want europe to be another it is necessary er to build equal rules for everyone, you can't just say what you know, you can't pass now, even though you meet more requirements than some balkan countries or some countries, as they say, hungary, which simply frankly does not correspond to european values, it does not adhere to common views on security, it does not recognize russia she avoids the aggressors there. of course, they oppress her there today, i saw the news that there are already certain that we have literally run out often, the only thing i want to add is that if we were to evaluate according to the criteria of who against russia, then we should most likely be taken into nato, and by the way, they also take those who are not very close to the european ones. we actually have a unique situation when all other countries entered the european union through nato, so it may be the first who can go through the european union

, so that you still know how to enter and as soon as possible well ha ha ha there actually we are already there from the point of cooperation we are already there thanks for this interesting inclusion oleg rybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, ex-deputy prime minister for european integration , was in touch with us. well, thank you for e-e for the attention of our viewers who