and it just really ceases to exist as a city, the same was the case with mariupol, in terms of the civilian population, there were 100,000 citizens now left there, i think there are less than 10-12 thousand there, relatively speaking, there will be hostilities directly by the armed forces with the minimization of risks for the population, but really not all of the population is still in vku jonna, and just as it is leaving it on the road to bakhmut, now join forces because there the enemy carries out constant fire raids , they are trying to operate there by the drg that intercept the movement of transport on this route, mr. serhiy, the armed forces of ukraine received powerful reinforcements in the form of french self-propelled caesar artillery installations in ukraine, please say a few words about these self-propelled howitzers and what in general is the news on the supply of allied equipment, and in fact, the french caesar howitzers are the most

technological these are wheeled howitzers that er. the entire process of preparation for firing the maximum shot is automated and they can just conduct combat operations using er er technological ammunition escalib, that is, at 40 km, hit the target almost from the first shot, as usually, in order to destroy a single target, it is necessary to release more than 500 ammunition, and the use of french-made howitzers, let's say so , will significantly strengthen the possibilities of counter-battery combat, that is, the destruction of enemy command posts and position of artillery that threaten the ukrainian army. but these howitzers are still not enough, and i just hope that there will be more progress in the supply of other types of weapons and aquarium and other means besides howitzers, aware of the fact that the czech republic delivered us seven mi-24 helicopters there - this will continue, the supply of armored vehicles continues, and

just after the online meeting at rammstein ii, it was announced that the supply of anti-ship missiles is a harpoon - this is a very important step forward well and we hope that we will receive himers and ml-flights of the system that really allow us to destroy the enemy at a distance of 300 km, which we do not have yet. well, mr. sergey, the information about what is in this su-25th fighter that was shot down the day before yesterday seems to be... and it turned out that it was also piloted there and an entire major general was killed in the process. it seems true that he is retired. i ask you to testify to this how he was brought there and in general how freely the russian air force is now operating in this zone. how do we really know what we destroyed about 200 planes and this is a significant blow to russian aviation because the issue is not only planes - it is iron but the destruction of training personnel and if the generals

who are over 60 years old who were in reserve probably because of the attention of the company nara decided there combat to fight on our territory, the walls were destroyed. grom says that there is a need for the russians to look for any pilots who are capable of performing combat tasks from the point of view of anti- aircraft defense, here you have a two-fold situation. can you explain because it is possible it is better now, many strikes are carried out by the russian aviation from a height of 6.7 km and quite densely, that is, in fact, this is higher than the level of use of the sting manpads or other manpadss, this means that we need to bring other air defense complexes into the combat zone which they understand that we are still balancing the fact that we do not have a sufficient number of complexes that we can throw directly into the zone where the enemy is actively using aviation, i think that this is one of the challenges that the ukrainian army must solve in the near future in order to minimize the risks of using the food of aviation

directly in the zone there, north donets er, lysychansk, other cities, they will use front-line aviation, one of the advanced armies of the russian federation was completely defeated in the south of ukraine, it is about the 58th army of the south of the military district of the russian occupation army in the armed forces of ukraine was defeated in the south of ukraine. this is reported by the intercepted sbu - the negotiations, actually, serhiy, what can we say about the disappearance of the 58th army, which, according to russian propaganda, was the most equipped with the latest equipment which has no analogues, please well, in fact, this is one of the important components of the evaluation of the activities of the ukrainian army against the russians. we remember that the russian army entered the territory of ukraine with 190,000 personnel, this and logistical

components and combat components, and according to the conclusions of british intelligence, according to our citizens, in three months we destroyed 25% of the most useless components in this area, conditionally speaking, we are also talking about personnel, including the wounded, and we are trying the technique of 25% in 3 months in terms of combat potential - this is enough a good indicator for evaluating the effectiveness of the actions of the ukrainian army but this means that the war will continue to be simple, we can see the situation directly in luhansk, northern donetsk region, where the enemy has an in narrow areas precisely due to the numerical superiority in narrow areas and the superiority of artillery , he is trying to press our defense, therefore, just getting an addition when such advanced armies of russia are completely defeated by the armed forces of ukraine, this is really great news this morning.

thank you mr. serhiy serhii zgurets director of the information consulting company defect express was in touch with us well, we are moving on to the actual broadcast from the breakfast discussion in davos, let me remind you that viktor pinchuk is the founder foundation traditionally from the organizer of this all uh things a lot of interesting speakers let's just watch right away good morning thank you very much for joining us this year world economic forum davos this is the ukrainian forum ukrainian davos and this is because of the war going on this is because of the the whole world ordinary people all over the world political leaders business leaders they admire

the courage of ukrainians they admire the way ukrainians fight for the freedom of ukraine for the freedom of europe for the freedom of the whole world and therefore this davos is the ukrainian davos, but i have a dream, of course, my main dream, as the dream of all ukrainians , is our victory, but i have another dream that in a few years, the davos world economic forum will be ukrainian again, and that time, a few years after our victory, it will be yes, because the ukrainians will rebuild a new ukraine, they will not rebuild it, we will have to build ukraine in 20-30 , we have a new economy, a new future, a new model

to build, and that is why in a few years the world economic forum and davos will be ukrainian ones that people will be excited about what we will do then, and now here we have to discuss, first of all , how we protect ukraine, this is the first and, of course, the second, we will try to imagine our future , our future ukraine. this is not an easy task. we have very good speakers today, and it is not easy for our uniformed officer, the great friend of ukraine, frida zacharias and farida, greetings to you, farida, yes, you are here,

farida , greetings to you, dear friends. thank you for your attention. davoz and indeed it is largely due to the fact that viktor is doing it and we are very grateful to him for the fact that the world's attention is focused on ukraine at such an important moment. thank you very much viktor for what you are doing for ukraine for this broad cause of freedom in the world we let's start with a panel discussion of the gathering with mr. timon snyder and mr. dmytro kuleba. i don't know if he's here. yes, it's fine. and then we'll move on to our other discussion when there will be guests from kyiv and people will also be present here and we'll have a

broader discussion, that is participants first please join me come out here please oh oh good i think we can start i think in the main davos meeting they are about the future you always hear about the next big countries big technology i know that during this delivery there is a lot of talk about the past e swedish e-e the minister of foreign affairs said that i am

violating sweden's tradition of neutrality and this is the first time since the war with napoleon that the prime minister of finland explained to me how the finns resisted in moscow in 1939 and we talked a lot about history i think we will start with those of snyder , because he is one of the great historians of the world and he mainly studies the borders between russia, the earth, on the border between russia and germany, and the ideological why is the father's war going on, see vladimir , vladimir putin, the war, the aggression is not provoked because there is such a thing as ukraine, as a country, as a society, as a people, they simply believe that these are younger russians, and i want him, er,

please, tima, tell me about the fact that you have been studying all your life about the nature of ukraine as a country as society as a nation. thank you very much, feride. i want to say that i am a little uncomfortable with you. in front of you, ukrainians, and to talk about your history , because thanks to you, we can talk about our history in general because of what you felt . you are fighting for us. opened our history to wars opened the milkiness of such a discussion and all our discussions about history and about the future i thank you very sincerely thank you this is in and what i said in my ukrainian that is really

very, very important when we sit here we start a discussion about history about democracy about the future it is very important to remember that this discussion and all our discussions in the west in the world are about the future, but they are taking place at a moment when in fact, this moment was opened by the actions of the ukrainians, thanks to the ukrainians, the ukrainian resistance, the actions of the ukrainians, we can see the possibilities, whatever we saw otherwise and thus florida the easiest answer to your question a very famous historian was french he said that a nation is a diary plabicide and i will talk about the past but of course and what do you do every day how a nation is that risk on

which are the values ​​for which you stand and fight every day, but according to this standard there is no nation in the world. now, as a ukrainian nation, we should take an example from the ukrainians, what it means to be a nation. if we talk about history, we want to say two things very briefly the first is that ukraine has all the stages of history known to us in the west, but it was a little more interesting. they had the middle ages. we know that there were vikings, but also the vikings were the ones who chose between judaism , christianity and islam. it was very interesting for them. there was a renaissance, a reformation, just like the europeans had in europe in other countries, but their renaissance was more interesting, the reformation was more complicated,

they had national movements in the 19th century, just like other countries, and we can say that politics is not about peoples about the people, not about the rulers, the third thing i want to say is that the ukrainian 20th century was so intense, so hypertypical and typical for the darkness of the 20th century that we see here for the darkness and we see that there are some things that are the most important things that are very difficult to see where ukraine was at the center of two terrible plans to transform the whole world, the plan of stalinism to transform the world by exploiting ukrainian agriculture, it led to a terrible famine and we are thinking about this famine and now about

such a famine when russia blocks the black sea, it was also the center of hitler's plan to transform the shining e reason why was the second world war because germany planned to control ukraine to control the food supply to become an empire and also ukraine was the most interesting a place to live in education between the ages of 33-45 and it also takes tens of years of a generation for ukraine to rise from that and now in front of our eyes literally the first ukrainian generation grew up in independent ukraine and i am very glad that otut in ukrainian davos is usually ukrainian the breakfast was successful and now we have not just a ukrainian breakfast in davos, all of davos today is ukrainian, not just with our eyes, we see with our eyes imers from

ukraine, diplomats from ukraine, parliamentarians with ukraine, and this is the first generation, their main experience - this is independent ukraine and we are here we are now seeing ukraine because ukraine is fighting and it will win this war but this is a very high standard no uh no need for russia to invade somewhere for us to see it and now we have a chance to see ukraine as it is. that is, it is a normal european country that is suffering very much, and that is now showing us an example of what the future can be. and we thank you very much for telling us that you guessed about the central place that ukraine occupies not only in a geographical sense, but also in

in the economic sense, especially in the 20th century, it was like this when it was the granary of the world and stalin craved it and hitler craved it and you said that it was a wonderful place to live, and therefore you have to think about how the ukrainian crisis is not only ukrainian but also global because this granary can't feed people today can't provide food to the peoples of the world and they talked about it yesterday and in the previous weeks all the time tell us about it first thank you farida and thank you for inviting me and how are you snyder i feel it is a great honor to be here at the ukrainian breakfast in davos, we are extremely impressed by the determination and

courage of ukrainians, which shows not only what a real country is, a real nation, but also that it actually revived europe, revived the 13-atlantic alliance, and no one could have expected that this could happen a few months ago, that what happened would happen, but and the unity with which the world accepted what happened and answering your questions farida i will say that the majority of the world sees this war as a european war as a european problem and it seems to me that the food crisis will become for everything with such a push, it will open the eyes of the world to what is happening to the whole world, we are gradually realizing the true scale of the catastrophe and actually, that 's how we economists m-m economist magazines wrote catastrophe on the front page, we don't often

use such words ukraine is not only the breadbasket of the world, it is 30 % of all grain in the world is exported in the 192nd year, we have already faced what will become the most difficult year from the point of view of food for the whole world, we know that this is not because of bad harvests, but because it cannot be delivered crops and we see huge changes not only when it comes to grain but also to oil plants and corn and all these things that used to be freely exported from ukraine, and we are talking about the port of odessa , first of all, not because of the inability to export due to the blockade by the russian federation , and it is just about time. we are critical, you know this better than me. the time to harvest is approaching. grain and other

agricultural products are overflowing. if what is already in the warehouses is not exported, then ukraine will not be able to harvest its new crop will not last anywhere. because ukraine currently feeds 400 million people in the world, and there must be some possibility, some way to involve the whole world, which has so far sat on the sidelines and thought about what is happening in ukraine, and apart from europe and the transilactic coalition, they did not put pressure on russia in order for it to unblock the fort and to allow it to continue to export products, and it should be turkey and other countries that are not exactly part of the atlantic alliance, and if the global and does not find such a way, then not only millions and hundreds of millions of people will face the problem of the voice of hunger, but this will also be a mockery

of the world community itself. and this is exactly what we have to do. rules cannot achieve anything and if we say that there will only be negotiations, only negotiations and nothing will change, then we are worthless and that is why the problem is very important for us now. we must move in this direction and move really quickly, mr. minister dmytro kuleba, let's talk about it and look at the situation more broadly. i heard a few weeks ago that the countries of the black sea basin can conduct convoys and

escort such ships with grain tankers or other sulfur products through the black sea. what do you think about it? will you say thank you, if nato did not close the sky over ukraine, the most tragic moments of the war, you see, scientists help government officials, they usually put up a microphone, if nato did not close the sky over ukraine, it has more tragic moments of the war. why will they now open the black sea so that it is possible to export agricultural products from ukraine without hindrance, i will wholeheartedly welcome such a decision, but i do not think that there will be enough strength and enough courage in western

countries and other countries for such a force development to find a connection, we are now looking for a solution to the problem, and of course we now see that the agricultural and economic cycle will be interrupted and this will lead to many years of food problems all over the world, but the problem is that we cannot trust russia, even that they will sign some guarantees of unimpeded passage, this does not mean that it will be granted and at any moment they can violate such an agreement as soon as they reach it. they, russia has already violated all these humanitarian agreements, let's say the corridors that were reached, the way i say this is because we have a common history of 300

years with russia and this is a historical truth. they never comply with their obligations under the agreements and in a broader sense, i would say that a lot has changed since february 24, some countries, including this switzerland, made painful decisions for themselves, in particular, they introduced sanctions and balanced their sanctions policy and got rid of their neutral status because of that and recently switzerland on the other level brought its understanding of neutrality from active neutrality to corporate neutrality and this is the intellectual basis of the new policy for switzerland, we are extremely grateful for this and the whole world understands what is happening in ukraine

and three months ago they said that the west is rotten, that it is in decline, that authoritarian regimes are now attacking the free world, and look, if you look at the headlines of newspapers and magazines now, everything has completely changed, the west has been reborn, it has returned, it feels its power, its strength because of that that ukraine survived the first three days of the war and no one expected that this would happen, at least in the west, there was no such confidence in any country in the west, and now we need two things, first, the west must finally accept the idea that the goal of this war should be the victory of ukraine, the best best friends of ukraine who help ukraine still doubt what will be the end,

what will be the conclusion of the help to ukraine, or just so that ukraine will not be defeated or that russia will stop, there is only one answer - ukraine must win and if if you clearly define this as a goal, then you will see new changes in the policy of your own state and you will implement this policy. there are a lot of discussions going on today, let's say that before the provision of the so-called mlrs or rsz in ukraine, and while they will end, then this will already become yesterday 's problem, and it will no longer be relevant. we must move quickly, and the second issue is ukraine's expectations. regarding the fact that the sanctions were transferred to a higher level, the very concept of russia and sanctions against

russia should be based on the simple principle of killing russian exports, whatever gas or oil or when it comes to anything that russia sells to the world, it must be stopped so that they do not have the opportunity to earn money on the world market, because today they have a budget surplus due to extremely high prices for energy carriers and putin is sitting in the kremlin and feels great about the financial security and stability of his country and instead of hearing here and there about various e-e sanctions, i am really grateful for the sanctions that are already taking place, but a unified policy of sanctions is needed to stop the trade in energy goods and services every dollar or euro that russia earns, it invests in the support of

putin's regime and in the support of its war machine. it's just that if we keep this in mind all the time, we are killing russian exports, then it will be completely different strategy and policy regarding sanctions, history is extremely important i agree with this and it is always very interesting to hear what professor snyder thinks, but i really hope that right now no one will ask and who are the ukrainians, where is this country located in general thank you very much and i have to thank you here to our wonderful speakers and we move on to the next part of the discussion. thank you very much, we are moving on, so

little is changing for us. we invite the president of latvia and the president of the european parliament mrs. robert sumy solo and in a few in a few minutes, another president will join us, the main president - president zelenskyi from ukraine, with zoom or some other technology that is used today, please make sure that we have you, mr. president, we will honor you for a minute