so a little is changing here now. we invite the president of latvia and the president of the european parliament mrs. robert sumy solo and in a few minutes we will be joined by another president, the main president - president zelenskyi from ukraine with zoom or some other technology that is used today, please make sure that mr. president we already have you, let's observe a moment of silence in memory of the

ukrainian military and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war that was unleashed by russia . and this is an honor for me, it is a great honor to be here present to take part in the discussion, this is a question that i

think we do not need to ask, because for the european parliament, any country that shares the main values ​​and principles and that fights for these fundamental principles and values ​​on which europe was built, why does europe not open its doors wide country why again do we need to hide for decades under different uh laws it's just a matter of political will and of course we can discuss uh different countries and steps of different countries but if we are not ready today when ukraine is fighting and i started a part of the

discussion that ukraine is fighting not just for europe but for the world and ukraine is fighting for the essence of what we believe and then where do we stay if we don't think about it, if we think about the fact that there were several years ago, i was part of the generation of a country that wanted to join the european union, that really wanted to fight for it. for this, i met friends from other countries who were born in those countries that were already in the european union, and they remembered what it meant and what it meant for them, but also for us it is it was about being at the table where there were joint decisions and the decisions were not only economic decisions were not only about market integration and it was also about being there as family members who

can fight together against self-critical rivals and if we start from this, then, i lead the european union, i lead the european parliament, and i think that this should be our goal, with all the difficulties, costs, decisions that we have to make, but for now, ukraine is fighting this war, and we must be sure that the platform that we will offer will be opened the door instead of closing it president, you have already heard from the skeptics, they say that the balkans are already candidate members. they have been waiting for membership for almost two decades. how can a country be promoted faster, and tell us how realistic it is for ukraine to get this

accelerated membership and whether ukraine should really jump like that. ukraine is a european country. as well as latvia, luxembourg, france, and professor snyder explained to us uh what and uh throughout history because of this situation that is now because ukraine is fighting for european values ​​for the european union a the european union this union is, first of all, an economic union, of course a political union for something else and a legal union, but it is really a political decision to grant the status of a candidate country to ukraine and i think that we should do it because if we, uh, we have to be serious and if we take our

principles seriously, then there is no other way to say that ukraine does not belong to europe, and then there are technical questions . go through all these legal issues and get closer to the european system in such a way that later it worked normally and functioned well. but the beginning, the beginning, this is the starting point, it is now the status of the candidate's country - this is the starting point, and we must provide such a status of the candidate's country in ukraine. i think that it's really possible and it's also in our interests, now i want to ask you, roberto, do you

think that if we talk about the sanctions that the minister talked about, is it really that this is really a very impressive package of these five sanctions and five pack work and they also i don't think that this is extremely important in putin's machine is oil and gas and you rightly said that if someone were to ask anyone in this room four months ago about this before the war started that we we will be in a situation when we have reached this level of uh unity and because of such a large number of sanctions that actually hit the russian elite that we

have protected for too long, we have to admit this, we have to tell our colleagues from other countries who have been telling us for years that this is what we doing in europe and what we finally and i hope we have learned this lesson finally and we also looked at the sanctions and used them from an economic point of view. that is, their purpose is to hurt the russian economy and they were adopted with unprecedented speed and i think that one thing that really struck me is what can we say traditionally, the prime minister, the head of the government, er, makes a decision, then goes home and explains to the people , now they said the opposite they said my people tell me to do it and we have to do it and that's

why the world europe has completely changed and that's because the ukrainian minister said that ukraine is not just a western map, ukraine is on the world map, and a few years ago we did not look in this direction and when the sanctions were applied correctly or quickly enough, that is, i have certain concerns about this, there are still countries that use various e- there are loopholes and i think that there are countries that would like to be on the path of access and there is actually a compromise here to use such loopholes, they should not do this, it should be very enough. of course, the next level will be more difficult, this is where different countries the reality is not so simple. because we

are not just faced with a crisis and an energy crisis, as well as problems with food shortages, and it is indeed a political reality, the debate in the parliaments is taking place. i spend a lot of time addressing the national parliaments on this topic. in the end, our question should be whether democracy and freedom really have a price or not. and if we say that freedom and democracy are priceless, then our goal should be to separate ourselves from buying what we need. for our families to live, and we need to separate enemies from enemies from children and how many meetings we held, how many we told

countries that it is impossible to 100% rely on russian gas, how many countries felt comfortable because they relied on russian gas because it was cheaper or it was difficult to discuss with other countries and neighbors because they had other priorities and i think that this is not the same for us. that is, we need to solve this in the next days literally so that all those countries that worked or their possible parents worked for those general principles of common principles and values ​​that were talked about but at the end of the meeting we have to understand that our ultimate goal is zero dependence on russia and this of

course means that we have to invest more in renewable sources we need to do it faster our green program it catapulted , so to speak. that is, this is a catalyst that did not exist a few months ago, because in our case, it continues to be so, energy, political, gas, political, because our goals are related to the environment, these goals are related to security , and if our ultimate goal is zero dependence on russia, then the implementation of the package of sanctions and indignation, deputy steps, eh, we need to continue and we must be united here, continue to be united, i also want to ask you in the president's left, russia talked about certain

uh, such uh, retaliation, you are talking about nuclear weapons , and uh, well, what can russia do, uh, what can she do, uh, considering what she is, i think that what is wrongly perceived here, in what way russia operates because we think very often that if we think logically, we think that russia has the same logic, as we have coded , but it is not so. they see that the other side is weak due to various reasons, then russia goes further and then it is that the

west is the west of europe over europe, nato, the european union must be strong and must clearly show russia that we will use our power and this is actually such a political deterrence of russia and this means peace policy and because the weakness of the west provokes war and this is a reality, a sad reality, because you have seen more russian activity in latvia because russia has intervened in different ways in the past three months in the baltic countries, and we can actually see it in the name russian propaganda

for the last 30 years. this is not new happiness, we know it, and this is the influence of russia in latvia, perhaps the same as in germany, belgium, in other countries because russia and putin very clearly stated that russia is at war with the west at home with the west form of democracy and i think of course we are part of the west , that is why we suffer from russian propaganda, but i cannot say that there is anything extraordinary about latvians and i want to invite several people from the audience to talk about these issues because it seems to me that some people here have both experience and knowledge and especially if we talk about russia hybrid warfare especially when we talk about cyber space and i

want to ask jared when he is one of the big technologists he is at dixo and what can we say about cyber warfare the last month thank you it is a great honor to be here. and i have believed in what ukraine stands for for a long time, and it is really a great honor for me. explanation explanation that over the past 10 years before this one tried to do just any beret against ukraine, but the country is now more normatively more stable than any other country in some countries in the world there is also intelligence in ukraine russia

uses uh different er tactics that should have a destructive effect not just on ukraine, but on the entire western european infrastructure. and the ukrainians found out, they shared this information, who in fact did not allow this to happen, and also if you talk about it, he is trying to target certain groups and uh, from managing is also already against the attack, against about this other country, against the implementation of members of the organization who live in ukraine and in russia, and ukrainians choose uh, ukraine and uh. if we talk about uh, surveillance, then the big story about cybercrime as far as operational security of russia the flood is very frequent that uh, they have documents that come out,

open access connections are also sold by the ukrainian people to talk about the fact that we have to be careful. we should not say that at this time ukraine can close itself against war and heat. also, we understand that it also protects itself on cybersimply the kind of what and if we talk about the side in this we help helps and we do a lot of this in the future and we do everything so that ukraine can protect itself very well thank you and i am very pleased to present our

the next speaker directly from ukraine, from somewhere in ukraine, i would say i hope we have contact with president zelenskyi, we sincerely congratulate you on the ukrainian breakfast, mr. president, i was very pleased to speak with you again using headsets to listen to the translation for a few minutes or seconds, we will even provide them with

such headphones and me too, because we are not as good at ukrainian as mr. snyder, to ask you such a question. in 1942, churchill said that this is not the end. and this is not even the beginning of the end, it could be at the end of the beginning and that is he would like to emphasize that the war will be long and it turned out that he was right in the current war at which stage we are in this war between russia and ukraine actually between russia and the world thank you for the question first of all i would like to express today condolences to all the relatives

and friends of the children who were killed in a terrible school, breathe in the crime of the united states at this time, as far as i know, 20 one person died with her 19 children, and this is usually in peacetime, they pour water on absolutely innocent children, so if you want in my opinion, war is everywhere, it is in society as a whole, it is in the world, as far as our war is concerned, it is a large-scale invasion of the russian federation and what you say and you know. i think that ukraine is fighting and fighting for its independence and freedom for long, long years, decades, centuries even

more and i believe that today it is a war across borders for the independence and freedom of a united ukraine and therefore i believe that this victory where we are going is only the beginning but the beginning peaceful unification of ukraine regarding when this war can end i think that it depends on some specific things, and above all it is the desire of the various parties and the desire, first of all, the desire of a joint effort to strengthen and arm the financial strength of ukraine and the desire of a military effort not to be afraid to fight with the russian federation

to water in this hybrid war in different ways, not by its people, first of all, and it also depends, i think, on the desire of the russian federation, because this war will end in any case, and we understand with you that there is a military part of the war in we are still so tense at the moment, there is a lot of blood of innocent people - this is free people, there is a lot of loss of the army and after the military part of any case, i am sure there will be a peace process and there will be a negotiating table and it will definitely be the question of who ukraine will negotiate with, the question of which president of russia will negotiate with and it also depends on the desire in the

life of the president of russia, you said, you said earlier, mr. president, at this stage, is it really impossible to negotiate with president putin regarding the end of the war, for today i it seems that the current president of the russian federation does not realize what is happening to the end. it seems to me that he lives in the information world and not understanding that ukraine is not going anywhere, it will not make concessions, we are fighting on our land and we are not against it. once again this war in ukraine is emphasized against someone and ukraine's war is for this we are for our

land and on our land for our freedom and definitely for our future we have nowhere to go from this land we are not going to do it and there is no possibility and no desires and because of this its unification what kind of our people happened and that is why he must live in me, it seems in reality, i must help him to get out of his informational unreality that they themselves built along for many years, decades, they should have built this informational field in which they are now in and therefore it is possible to speak today only the president of the russian federation is a low level mediator, there is no sense, they are nobody, even in all the closets .

there is only one person, the president of the russian federation, when he will be ready to come to reality . and when he will come to reality, he will understand that there are many people in the war and people are dying for no fault of his. if he is capable of something, then he will definitely understand then that it is necessary to speak and end this war they started under the russian federation which are smaller and then it will probably be possible to try if it is not too late to try or go and diplomatically i emphasize once again these are the current authorities and whether it is late or not it depends from many things the opportunity and desire

of ukrainian society is already a lot. a lot depends on this, it depends on ordinary people, because after everyone saw that the russian military ate in ukraine and continue. because of the blockade, i think desire desire it will be included where every day you talk about ukraine, which will fight until its territories are liberated, then it is about those territories that were lost this year or ukraine will fight until it regains all its territories that were partially lost in the 14th year, you know when

ukraine says that it will fight, it will not restore all its territories, it means only one thing, or ukraine will fight until it returns all its territories, it means nothing, it is about independence and about sovereignty. i say that this is the stage of a bloody war. it can turn into the format of diplomatic negotiations in one form or another, with the participation of the presidents of russia, ukraine, two or more of our strategic partners in this camp. well, it can go when we understand that at least 100 times the side of the russian federation shows the possibility and desire to move from a bloody war to diplomacy, it is possible if the russian federation demonstrates at least something,

at least something. step on the part of the russian federation, would it be fair to say, mr. president, and i think that you mean it, at least from the fact that you said that so far the russians are not serious about negotiations on any of these issues that you tell me, i don't see anything, i don't see very concrete things, at first i had a feeling that it was possible to start saying that there was no result yet, i haven't heard a single positive point,

if you can say that this position is ... they started talking about unblocking and the growth and recognition of people from mariupol, civilians were first of all proven, and then already from the factory, whatever from the last section, people are injured, heavy e 200 to 200 different people, i’m sorry that out of habit we already call people by numbers, but i think you you understand what state our country is in, so here i think it was a positive thing that these negotiations gave people the opportunity to bring out the humanitarian mission, but here again the organization of the united nations and international organizations of the international international cross and