and stories are actually what people say about how they change, how they begin to perceive themselves differently and how, in particular, among other things, they switch from the russian language of communication to ukrainian in everyday life. from mariupol when people leave thank you thank you very much we have to say goodbye see you all tomorrow at 21:00 take care glory to ukraine this is a verdi program my name is serhiy rudenko everyone have a good day and good health today is the 91st day of the great resistance of the ukrainian people against the russian

occupation during the past day in ukraine. according to the ukrainian general staff, 150 russian occupiers and 9 tanks were eliminated since the beginning of the war, the russians have already lost 29,450 personnel in ukraine, tanks and 1,305 units of armored combat vehicles 3,213 units of artillery systems or for six rocket salvo systems , 201 air defense systems, 93 aircraft, 206 helicopters, 170 vehicles 2-217 qatari ships 13 cruise missiles 112 drones 491 special equipment 44 units about three months and he of the great war of russia against ukraine we are talking today with a politician, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019-2021 dmytro razumkov p dmytro slava

ukraine is glad to welcome you in our studio. so, the 91st day of the great war, 3 months of heroic resistance of the people and the unity of all political forces, when we talk about unity, i cannot forgive you not to ask you whether you have any relations with zelenskyi's team because when the war started, all the politicians said that we are now burying the hatchets and then we will talk about it. do you somehow communicate with zelenskyi and his team, eh? factions and groups, including me, was present in the president's office, there was a meeting, that is, at the beginning of the war, and after that i had several telephone conversations with the president, yes, on a regular basis. probably not, but today everyone was talking about politics. well

we are so precisely because today we need to consolidate our efforts to fight the russian federation, perhaps the only politician in ukraine who knows about zelenskyi as a politician everything or almost everything because in 2018-2019 you worked with zelenskyi, well, actually you were the voice and face of the presidential campaign of volodymyr zelenskyi in 2019, but starting from february 24, 2022, have you seen another zelenskyi, because there is a lot of talk in the western press and in ukraine that the president has become less artistic he has very little eye, very little in this artistry, and all theatricality has gone away from him, do you see another zelensky, you know , er, er, i think that the war changed everyone, er, it changed

the attitude, if we are talking about some artistic approaches. well today is no joke, because every day uh, at the front, and not only at the front , our fellow citizens are dying, uh, on the 24th, a lot has changed, a lot has changed in people, not only around them, but also inside. i think it is so it happened with the president and with many politicians and with all of us and you citizens who respond adequately to the war, who remain patriots of our country, did not run away, like some of my colleagues from the parliament abroad, but work from the first day for our victory, which i am sure will not happen. i understand that it may not happen tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, as you and i would like but it will definitely be and will be ours throughout the past year. well, at least until october 8, 2021,

you were the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine and obviously you had all the information as the state leadership, including intelligence data, or were you waiting did you expect that such a big, bloody and large-scale war would start in ukraine? and to be honest, until october 7th, when i was the chairman of the verkhovna rada, there was no such information, unfortunately, when the time approached for the 24th, i predicted that there will be a big war, i talked about it publicly and that we need to prepare for it. they won't let me lie, as they say, not my ancient colleagues. -e hmm information from intelligence from international

partners and from the internal perception of what is happening that the war will begin on the 24th, i also told my colleagues about this on the 23rd, the only thing that i was wrong about was that they would start the offensive on thursday at four o'clock, since at one time the offensive began in fascist germany and began to bomb, er, the bombing of kyiv, i thought that according to the same logic, because the russian federation professes the same nazi ideologies today, they will start on the fourth morning, i even expected it, but they did not start, i went to bed, but at five hours it already became clear that internal er convictions they played a true role then and we saw the true face of russia, so er at the beginning i understood that it would happen and it

was only a matter of time and on october 7 such information was not really available was ukraine carefully preparing for this now without unnecessary criticism because criticism during war can play into the enemy's hand, but still you witnessed the formation of the budgets for 2020 and 2021, or did the authorities pay enough attention because was happening in the army to provide for the army, because it is clear that now there are a lot of questions about whether there are enough bulletproof vests or enough helmets, well, it seemed elementary what should be at the front, what will be, what should be in the armed forces of ukraine well, if i still formed the budget . the chairman of the verkhovna rada does not form the budget uh, uh, before that, it’s more uh, it’s more influenced by the cabinet

of ministers of ukraine, the ministry of finance of the president . the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, let's say so, i wanted to see a slightly different budget, er, a little differently formed and er, hmm, it is possible, today it would enable us to more effectively, er, drive the enemy away from our villages, cities and drive them out of the territory of our state, but we proceed from what we have today. if we talk about the provision of the army today, the army is provided. it is not a big secret. there is a need for weapons because our defenders definitely have enough courage, as

they say with their heads, they can still use it. to share er and with other countries of the world, and in fact today we need the support of our international partners so that we can expel the enemy and put up really serious resistance not only through heroism but also using the latest weapons , we are grateful as a state to our partners which today also provide heavy weapons, but it is not as sufficient as it needs, needs, not only wanted, but as needed by the ukrainian army in order to really destroy the onslaught of the enemy that is advancing on ukraine, dmitry oleksandrovich, see putin when he was going to ukraine. he calculated that the government would fall very quickly in 3-4 days and only after that it would be possible to calmly seize the entire territory of ukraine. three

months have passed since then, from february 24. excellent analyst, you understand that if a person makes a decision, then he makes it based on some analytical data, not on intelligence data, the whole world is here, there are several components, the whole world lived in the regime of the perception that the russian army is the second army in the world, but in fact it happened otherwise, ukraine has demonstrated that it is not an army, but a gathering place of marauders who do not know how to fight, of which there are many. yes, they are often compared to orcs, there are many of them, but there are no brains, there are no uh, a big role is also played by absolutely demoralization within the army and the weapons that were well demonstrated at the

parades, but in fact, those high-precision, accurate , effective, modern weapons, which were talked about so much, are not also, and many of them today deconserve weapons from the days of the 50s, you know how they say that they remove tanks from pedestals in order to somehow send them to the front , but here, too, there is no need to engage in hat-throwing , saying that everything is bad there, there are a lot of them, our main problem is that there are simply a lot of them, they have a lot of weapons from the time of the soviet army, and there are many warehouses over baikal, etc., what are they will be used against us and not only against the army, you see that they have absolutely no moral barriers that would not allow them to shoot civilians, civilian cities, villages, etc., so if we talk to you about uh, about calculations, this is the first

self-confidence. they thought that they would be met here with flags and flowers, telling how we were waiting for russian peace, and what happened was a completely different society, even one that had a normal attitude towards the russians. after seeing what russia is doing, it completely changed its attitude and today it is not on the territory of ukraine. i think that it can there is somewhere some percentage of those who somehow relate to russia normally, everyone else saw the real faces, and the faces not only of putin and his entourage, but the faces of all of russia because what there were many of you in the background, videos and photos from those cities and towns of the kyiv region, chernihiv, poltava, sumy, kharkiv regions, what the so-called russian army

was doing - it's not an army, it's animals, it's not olivier that's why it's not putin as one person, it's all of them, that is, today it is no longer possible to separate them, and ukrainian society and the whole world perceives and understands this well, if we continue to talk about mistakes, then 100% - these are miscalculations or the eyes of intelligence on the part of intelligence i'm sure i told putin about the fact that they are waiting for him here, they love him here, they respect him, and only when he comes will they greet him with flowers on khreshchatyk, another big moment that played one of the important roles is the occupation of crimea, which is not surprising because they perceived it because from the perspective of crimea, when they entered, everything was fine, a large part of the population sincerely welcomed them and

wanted to see russia, and they thought that it would be the same in other cities and villages of ukraine, but it happened as it happened, on the contrary, they consolidated the society that today is e stands against russia against those beasts from this crime that the russian federation commits on the territory of our state, that's why there are many components here. i think that russian corruption also played a big role. yes, well, of course in the world, because billions of budgets were spent on weapons spent billions of budgets and where did they sit in what shops? today we also see that because international sanctions block the yachts and houses of russian millionaires. i think that the russian military is the same. do you agree with the statement that the russian peace is dead

in ukraine, it is more likely that vladimir putin himself killed him 100%. even pro-russian parties or parties that will profess russian peace or politicians do not even have a future because there are no people who supported these ideas that will be in the ukrainian language, more than 80% 82 if i'm not mistaken believe that only the return to the borders of the 13th year i er 100% share this position 8% are hesitant and 10%, well um think that it is necessary to er look for some other algorithm, but even in the east, where hostilities are taking place,

where these population centers are under constant fire from the occupiers, 60-2% believe that the victory of ukraine can only be a return to the borders of the 13th year, only 19% of people are ready to look for some other options, that is, i understand that 19 - it is also not small, but 62 in the east, which was very often considered such a patrimony, eh hmm, and where the russian world had the right to exist today, the language was supported, where people thought that if there were flowers, in fact, because everyone was beating all the events and in the language, too, but all the questions what stood until the fourth number and which split ukrainian society. putin completely removed it today, the only question for the ukrainian people is

the question and not even only the people, but the ukrainian nation, because it is precisely today that it is being born. eh removed everything else , including within the framework of politics, there is a question of when we will win, not how, but when, and uh, for this today, everyone must work so that when will come as soon as possible. well, regarding the victory because there are a lot of questions about this, when we will win, we see different statements for three months about when the turning point will come, when we will start a counterattack, when we will reach the border , meanwhile, the minister of defense oleksiy reznikov is already talking about the fact that it will be a protracted war for russia

in ukraine, rather pessimistic forecasts are heard from representatives of western special services. and what does ukraine need besides heavy weapons, besides the weapons we expect from the united states of america and the countries that are united in this group rammstein eh 40 ministers of defense eh of different countries what needs to be done inside ukraine because we talk a lot we have a lot of hopes that the west will help us with weapons maybe there are some things that the ukrainian government should do and what it is now it is not doing it, because including the verkhovna rada. well, if we are talking to you about the war, i think that unfortunately it will drag on, and i predicted it earlier, i don't quite understand the colleagues who said that we would be able to win in a week or two unfortunately, it is the enemy

violent, unfortunately, this enemy, as we said today, has a large biomass, which he is ready to throw at the front, regardless of losses, unlike us, we are also very different from russia, but hmm, victory will be ours, the question is when, in order for it to come faster, there must be several key things, we have already talked about one with you - this is heavy and not only heavy weapons, because this is ammunition, this is small arms , this is ammunition, well, this is provision, this is uh hmm, the howitzers, which have already been talked about a lot, are tanks because there are no tanks it will be very difficult to carry out offensive operations, and they will be 100% in our country in order to return to the borders of the 13th year, if we are talking about the

second component - the economy and just hoping for the support of our international partners is not entirely logical and wrong because we need to restore our economy, we already had to switch to the rails of the wartime economy, we need to temporarily restore the economy in those territories that were temporarily under russian control by occupation, i was talking primarily about chernihiv oblast, kyiv oblast, poltava sumy, zhytomyr oblast, to a lesser extent, kharkiv oblast and those areas from which we have already expelled the occupier . arguments

to return there and not to leave for lviv at all, or even worse, to seek a better fate abroad , ah, there are several options, eh. such programs can also be, eh, common programs with ours as international partners, today they give us money in order for the economy to provide people with minimum needs, but if you look at the structure of our economy, the structure of our economy has changed a lot today, we have lost a large part of our production complex hmm, we lost the opportunity to export metallurgy, today we lost the opportunity to export ukrainian agricultural crops because the ports are blocked by russia and all this volume of production is to be sent via railway to countries of europe or to european ports, well

, it is practically impossible for now, we have to look for other mechanisms. therefore, we need to restore e-e domestic production for this, one of the options is that we have already offered e-e for those enterprises, for example, that are moving or are ready to return to restore or in general to invest e-e in the regions from which the occupiers were expelled. it would be possible to make credit programs at a preferential interest rate, which we will also receive from e-e partners of two to three percent , and with a guarantee that if these enterprises affected by the war, the businessman will not be responsible, for example, it can be 90%. plus preferential lending conditions, that is, to create such a base that will be attractive for risky business because, well, i'm sorry to return to baradyanka, to return to makarov, irpin bucha, it is also

necessary to have courage, patriotism and confidence , because everything will be fine in this state ok , but the state should also support the businessman, why am i talking about the return of the enterprise or the creation of enterprises in these territories because today there are ideas coming up. let's restore a-a-a, build new cities, for example, near borodyanka , or something for the resettled people . - the first is infrastructure, and secondly, you cannot take people and transfer them there and just leave them, they must work somewhere. these must be enterprises, if we are talking about the kyiv region, such a bridgehead for the economy can be the city of kyiv, but also borodyanka, for example it's a little far away, so you need a complex, yes, it's

not a javelin, another system, but it shows itself well on the front, and the russian executioner or russian tanks are a direct confirmation of that. but if we increase the power, we can also provide the ukrainian army and use it in the quality of these products in the international markets and i say once again that no one has misrepresented that, first of all, we must provide our armed forces, but also have the capacity to export these products. when you say all this, i i understand that this is generally the sphere of responsibility of the cabinet of ministers, i.e. the minister or the crown of the prime minister . the third year has passed, and frankly speaking, i have

a constant feeling that we have two cabinets of ministers and, or at least there is a group of people who duplicate government decisions regarding reconstruction, construction, regarding certain decisions of hetmantsev, says a lot about that which has be a tax system, but what does the government and the prime minister think, sometimes i just don't understand because well, it seems that they work as one of the divisions of the office of the president of ukraine. what is the political responsibility of one team, i understand all this, but still, who should deal with this program of recovery and renewal of the economy in ukraine, according to the constitution, it should be the government, but really, who is responsible for this according to the constitution, it should be the government, really it there must be joint work between the government, the verkhovna

rada, and the president's office, because objectively, without any of the above-mentioned elements, this structure will not work, the government will not be able to write programs that will not be subject to crypto-reinforcement , reinforced by laws, and laws are adopted in the verkhovna rada ukraine, on the other hand, the president is responsible for you, first of all, he is the commander-in-chief, secondly, he is responsible for international politics, well, he is key in this direction, if we are talking about recovery, then recovery, and what we are talking about now, let's say this the current recovery, what will we talk about with you about the strategic recovery after the victory, it will be very difficult to do without the help of our international partners, that is why there is a large area of ​​responsibility for the president, on the other hand, the president signs all the laws that are adopted by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but he cannot be with you here do not agree that first of all there should

be one responsible for each direction, it cannot be 2 3 5 because then you will not find the extremes and the point of decision making which responsibility should be on to one person, it can be, for example, in the office of the president in the cabinet of ministers of ukraine in the verkhovna rada, but one because then the transfer of hot potatoes from one hand to another will begin, there must be a strategic vision and planning of what we will do. well, for example, we we talked a little with you about what needs to be done today, this is only a small piece, because if we go deep and talk in every direction, i also have my own vision. will be delayed until the evening, but if we are talking with you about the future of ukraine, then today, or rather yesterday, we should have sat down and written a parallel plan for the

recovery of ukraine after the victory, because today ukraine has a lot of attention, many countries are ready to help us, and we often hear statements that this or that country is ready to rebuild this or that city, to help this or that region a-a but hmm, for now, this is within the framework of the statements eh, you should not waste time already sit down today and specifically prescribe how they see this restoration and what will be needed to ukraine well, i understand that we cannot now talk about luhansk donetsk region, but nothing prevents us from talking about kyiv region , about chernihiv region well, for example, there is a country a that says i am ready to help chernihiv region, let's sit down today and write a memo on paper as part of a memorandum that they are ready to rebuild so many schools in such and such

communities, that is so many kilometers of roads, to help with infrastructure projects, to attract investments so that this is our joint plan the plan of this state was already on the table, and when the time came, i spent time trying to prescribe it somehow, plus, we must understand that everything is equal, and there are other problems that can reduce the weight of the war in ukraine in the international e therefore, international politics should work today as much as possible, working out and developing our joint plans, strategic plans. what will we do after the victory? don't waste time. it's true that you are advocating the need to return the death penalty for corrupt people who can embezzle . international everyone likes help even after the victory, but i think that there is a violation of international law and i

know, i know, i will explain to you why i am talking about this, in my opinion, corruption today is the same as looting, remember according to the laws of wartime , if you are a looter, hmm you steal, you know, in my opinion, looters are worse than russians because they steal toilets and tvs from other people.