you see, i remember when we were still young journalists with oleksandr tkachenko and we met with him and khrystyna frila. antika was also a young journalist working in kyiv , we talked about freedom of the press and ideals. they scolded someone there and didn't mention someone, here we mention the arrestee because he got bored, here we scold poroshenko. this is absurd, it has nothing to do with the information struggle, the information struggle is serious work. when people unite, when a method is really created , there is no way for broadcasting. this russian-language site does not spread our position in different languages, neither in europe, nor in the world, nor in ukraine , nor russia is affected in any way by this throwing away

of three budget funds, we can say that we really won the information war at the first stage thanks to the support of the west, because when western publications began to write about a possible invasion and our authorities talked about barbecues, they began to read them. they began to explain all this and they won this information war for us. what is happening now, now russia is starting to influence the european elites very seriously financially on their agents , the question begins: does ukraine need to be a candidate? does ukraine need to be in the european union? does it need to help ukraine at all, and someone should influence the society of these european countries, for them to support us, there are no mechanisms at all. you we did not even think about their creation, so to say that we professionally conduct information policy well, it would be wrong, although in the information war thanks to the allies we will win and we will stand thanks to the courage of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian army in the war on the battlefield, the tv channel dom was already mentioned here. i

understand that it is a former broadcasting channel that has turned into broadcasting to the occupied regions of donetsk and luhansk regions. well, according to the version was interpreted by the authorities, but they really come out in russian, that is, despite the fact that we are currently fighting russification, and people are already fighting this russification themselves, because this is all the people who lived in the east and south of the country. i see them coming to western ukraine and how are they starting to try to speak ukrainian because when ballistic and russian missiles fall on your head well, it's not the russian language , people are just trying to somehow distance themselves from russia, somehow they want to demonstrate that the russian language is a language the enemy, they still communicate with it, but they already understand what the russian world is, why is there an information policy, and in particular with regard to the dom tv channel, why was it not worked out in such

a way that we use this tv channel and this broadcasting channel for distribution, including information about ukraine to western countries in english, in german, in french, in spanish, in portuguese, in those languages ​​spoken by the world, well, look at the tv channel dom, they did it in order to have russian-language propaganda inside the country. and why russian-language because russian citizens were in charge there, russian was easier for the representatives of the authorities, many of us speak russian, for them ukrainian is something foreign, although for the majority of the population of ukrainians it has been their native language for a long time, i understand why it was before the war, but after the war it had to be reformatted because uh we really do n't have information about ukraine of high quality and in english . there is little good information that would not go to speakers by original broadcasters, for example, where would the americans, englishmen, who support ukraine, this could be a volunteer movement, they could talk about what is happening

in our countries from our point of view, not from the point of view that today may be on our side and tomorrow it may change, but there was, for example, well, you know, quite a polemical audience in a traditional article in the university times and even journalists from ukrainian publications there answered them, the newspaper that always supported president biden's ukraine for the fact that he supported ukraine and now skepticism and lack of confidence appear in them answer to no one in the same english language and by the same experienced people because ukraine has not created the appropriate tools. federation, but then it is necessary for them to position it for them, to convey how effective it will be, there is a question, but i assume that there is a channel nastoyashe vremya that supports radio svoboda free europe is, uh, the russian service of the bbc, the russian

services of other publications. that is, it can be, but then it should be completely aimed at them, and not at the ukrainian audience, because this is a completely different mentality , we see ukrainians. it's just another people, but those who kill and rape should be a guide - it's proven in a language that is understandable for them, but we don't do it, and that's why all our counter -propaganda and our promotion in the world is stopped and destroyed and it doesn't exist, and it's especially now for i consider this to be a huge tragedy for us. well, until literally the last period, we all had to protect the ukrainian language and somehow master those who believed that there should be quotas for russian tv programs for tv series for movies for someone broadcasting. i remember very well that during three in the past years, the representatives of the servant of the people faction submitted various draft laws that were supposed to change the law on the state language, which were supposed to somehow allow the largest tv channels

, including 1+1 there and inter. in what way use this language and circumvent, let's say, or legally circumvent the norms that were voted in 2019, when the law on the state language was adopted. can we say that after the war, these discussions will no longer exist ? we had a meeting of our committee where such discussions are still taking place in our country. i don't want to blame anyone, but the discussions are taking place, that is, there is still no definite feeling, i'm sure you mentioned these channels , by the way, these channels also suffered from that censorship which ones are there because it seems to us that you were not accepted into the marathon well, i think that of course it is not very good but there is a plus in this because you can talk all the time and those channels that were accepted there the same minister is sitting over them. for the first time, they have only five hours left and they have to say only what the government tells them. what influence do they have at all? where should their people work, what

should they do? it's difficult for them because there is no advertising market as such. advertising has disappeared, it will gradually appear, but all this will happen somehow, the state should think about how to support, including private mass media that take a patriotic position, but taking a patriotic position and fulfilling the whims of the government is not always the same thing , being in favor of unification in wartime, so supporting the government when she expresses harsh things against the aggressor. of course, i support it, i do it publicly, but to turn a blind eye to mistakes or to deliberately humiliate any position is absolutely humiliating, and these the oligarchs are huge, terrible, who ruled the country here, they bent their heads and they all do it together with the journalists who work for them, so they also have problems. by the way, you asked about the oligarchs in may. the norms

of the law on deliarchization should have been applied. with one of the norms , there should have been a register of oligarchs , this did not happen, no one remembers it at all, i do not remember, although we remember very well how in september-october there were discussions during the adoption of this law, as zelensky said that we are now let's put an end to the oligarchs. this is the only telethon and four tv channels that belong to pinchuk akhmetov. the air is what with levochkin and kolomoisky . now it is in the hands of zelenskyi, what is his own dream? well, you can simply say that putin led us to an oligarchy because by destroying these largest enterprises, he of course significantly destroyed the fortunes of these people, but he did not lead politically

because it is precisely these people who influence the that's it with this by telegraph, the government showed who specifically influences the information to whom the government delegates its entire information policy to kolomoisky akhmetov firtav what about levochkin eh and pinchuk eh as always as any other government and war is a you understand this is a very serious challenge because war the war will destroy, rebuild the country completely, unfortunately for us, because it will destroy our enterprises, our economic potential, this means that these oligarchs have always blocked western investments. they themselves stole all the property. and now western investments they will have to go, they will go, they will go after the war, after our victory, then when we will have the supremacy of the right to freedom of speech, including this means that it will no longer work like this, because putin and the ukrainian people who are at war with putin and protects ukraine from putin and, of course, this nation must then be the builder of this new country. there are

many opinions that people are not ready for this, society itself, that ukrainian society always fights well and fights when it is necessary to build a state succumbs to the new deception, is paternalistic because i am post-genocide, post- colonial, believes again in some kind of good king who will come and feed everyone. i remember volodymyr zelenskyi's speech today, i literally watched him, where he said that everyone said that when i come, the dollar will be 45 and it will be the war, you see, nothing happened, that’s exactly what zelensky said, all this is happening now, that’s why, don’t make fun of god, don’t make predictions, but we will change. meanwhile, the russian occupiers in mariupol announced extension of the school year until september 1. that is, children in mariupol will study in the destroyed mariupol until september 1. this was reported by the city mayor's advisor petro andryushchenko. he says that the occupiers plan to open nine schools in mariupol and managed to find only 53 teachers,

six teachers per school vivid illustration of russian education in mariupol during the occupation. but why are the russians in a hurry to open schools is clear, and not so that somehow this period does not replace education or online education with offline education in therefore, to start teaching the russian language, russian history, and russian culture there, and to destroy everything ukrainian, well, we have already observed something similar in some areas of the donetsk and luhansk regions, because, well, 8 years have passed, and a whole generation of people has already grown up there, imprisoned under russia, who , literally, a few years later, will to pick up weapons and go kill ukrainians, because i understand that the system is trained to educate just such children. this is how ukraine should fight against this attempt to immediately take over and master this entire educational system in

mariupol, melitopol, kherson, eh. how to resist this, because it’s the same occupation, only a humanitarian occupation. well, the first thing they started doing was destroying ukrainian books, removing their books from the history of ukraine, and in general, all ukrainian literature . genocide is people who want to destroy ukrainians and retrain them to give them other passports and say that such a nation did not exist. this is an ordinary fascist regime. there is nothing strange about it. the fascist regime must be defeated. you know how to fight the fascist regime. you must defeat it. defeat, destroy and carry out the de-nazification of the russian federation, denazification is not so that the russians forget that they are russians, on the contrary, they need to be reminded of this, denazification means to rid them of nazism, from the nazi ideology that putin planted and which they are planting here now. i don't see another way . in addition to the return of all ukrainian territories and the destruction of the enemy, this could somehow be prevented, but the fact that these people do not

need to stay there, you know, i understand the crimean tatars who remained in crimea during the occupation because for them, this is their land - the only place where they can be, and all their land is occupied, well, thank you, because they are all of ukraine is occupied, so it is very difficult to move, and ukraine as a state must help every ukrainian who left his own home and moved to an unoccupied territory, but he has to live in the occupation, when there is an unoccupied ukraine, it is wrong and wrong, because it is to allow oneself to be destroyed, to submit oneself and one's future, even from the point of view of one's own future, it is already true that no one will issue all these passports that they collected there admit these people will not be able to go anywhere their children will not have any prospects they will live in a closed dictatorial country until we manage to overthrow this dictator and defeat them or until the russian people themselves wake up i will not overthrow this dictator and change their life in e -e of the russian federation, that's why

it's difficult for me to comment on this pseudo-education. it's an element of genocide in order to actually force ukrainians from childhood to forget their own language, their own values. who are they? in fact, he said that when we talked about the return of donbas, we talked about how to return not only the physical territory but also the people who are there, if children have been raised for 8 years, then is there a chance that after 8 years of occupation, and is there a chance after five three years of occupation. i don't know how long the occupation of the kherson region will last. is it possible to return these people and say that you are ukrainians, you are citizens of our state, this also applies to crimea, because eight years of occupation of crimea, annexation of crimea is also a great tragedy for those people but the biggest tragedy for our country, because they already speak ukrainian, they are probably generations younger there . it doesn’t say that for sure. well, what is russia doing? it brings people from other regions of russia to these lands

and engages in mass resettlement by deportation of ukrainians. they created camps for ukrainians. as we know even in siberia, which they are taken there, and it is obvious that when we occupy these territories , first of all, we must remember that a huge number of ukrainians in these territories left, and the initial part of them is fighting for their land from with weapons in their hands, all these people will return, they will give this bilat, they will build it in principle. well, they will rebuild normal cities, uh, they will integrate these occupied territories into the ukrainian state very quickly, because it is behind it now, they are shedding a step for it, i did not worry about it. i think that with with this, everything will be fine, there will be no problems in us. the main thing is to return these territories and to return to their native land those people who were deported from there. i think that no nation has experienced so many deportations as ukrainians in the last centuries and probably the only country that in 80 years was subjected to

such brutalization by the nazis and the germans and russians in europe, it is also ukraine, because there is no other country like it, that's the truth, so we will return and everything will be fine there, there are a lot of discussions going on in the european union about that will ukraine be in the european union or not, when will it be, will it meet all the standards, will it be? the french minister of foreign affairs says that 15-20 of them are necessary for this, although the victory and courage with which ukrainians fight for their land and the desire to be a european state and not an asian or russian one would be enough probably convince the europeans that ukraine is already a country that is a european country, only

there is no such status. say but it definitely does not depend on the minister of foreign affairs of france, with all due respect to him and to the whole of france, there are two difficult questions that we need to answer first - the modernity of the west, because obviously we can be members, we have the right to apply for membership in the european union no less than for example, hungary, because i believe that we are no less a democratic country today than hungary and no less meet many standards. but at the same time, we are a much less democratic country than, i don't know, the czech republic or the netherlands, or some other a country that is a member of europe in the european championship france or even germany when we

talk about democracy about the rule of law and we still have a lot to learn so there must be justice from the european side and there must be understanding honesty and perseverance from our side that we want to be members of the european union, because er, er, the fact is that we really do not meet some standards, well, a country in the european union cannot exclude television channels just like that, no explanation well, no it happens. well, a country in the european union can’t the head of the special service of such a country release some suspect to uh and ask him to politically destroy his political opponent. there is no such thing. well, some court can’t be guided by a call from the president’s office, that’s not european standards. and if we want to have and full-fledged candidacy and membership, many people are against this. russia is doing everything to prevent this from happening. so the one who closes the channels is the

one who calls the court, the one who pursues the position plays into the hands of russia and helps russia so that we are not in to the european union. when the authorities understand this, i believe that we will be there very quickly. we will be there much faster than all the other forecasts give us. zelenskyi's team has different interpretations of how it should end in ukraine. oleksiy danilov , secretary of the national security and defense council says that only the capitulation of russia zelenskyi says that we will win the battle, that it will be a bloody massacre, but as a result, we will still come to some kind of diplomatic negotiations and to some kind of agreement, well, peaceful and not peaceful, but to some kind agreement between ukraine and the russian federation, what do you think, is it possible to conclude an agreement with putin on conditional peace or on peace, or should it be an agreement, as the same roman bezsmertny says, between rammstein and

this group of 40 countries that have now joined the anti -putin coalition support us and russia, should it still be a bilateral agreement between ukraine and russia? well, whoever wins should dictate the rules to whoever started the war, if we say that putin started a war not only against ukraine, but against the european values ​​of the entire european union, but they are waging this war precisely ukrainians and the future lives of ukrainians are being paid for this, obviously we have to understand that the european union must help ukraine to win and then negotiate with whoever comes after putin, it will be necessary in ukraine and the european union and each of the countries of the european union, they separately imposed sanctions on e- and we from the european union are not members of the european union, so it must be a multilateral, so to speak, capitulation, if it can be called a capitulation, and definitely an exit from the war with ukraine after our

victory, but i do not guarantee that it will be in our country, the war may continue, as it actually continues between russia and japan, for example , it has been going on for so many years, that is, let’s see , we will see that it will all end. obviously, it should end with our actual victory on the field, of course, but no one said that russia will not want to start a second or third war, so our task is to become strong enough to become members of the european court and nato, without this we will not protect our territory. i do not see an alternative here and protect ourselves from this neighboring the territory that once troubled the ukrainian name rus, eh. and what will happen in this territory is difficult for me to say. i think it is very difficult to predict, but i can predict what will happen to us, i believe that we are able to protect ourselves from it. it is obvious that what is happening now is not only the finale of this great eight-year war that is going on in our country. this is probably

the finale of the entire war that exists between russia and ukraine and has lasted there for 200 or 300 years, and obviously we are witnesses of this final part and we hope that in this final part we we will win, how do you want the future of ukraine after the victory? i want us to be an ordinary country that will be a member of nato and the european union will be protected, where the rights of every ukrainian will always be protected, no matter where a ukrainian lives, if he is not well human attitude towards oneself and respect for one's own dignity, that's how ukraine should be from my point of view, obviously the current war will radically change the world and not only in the security system, because it is clear that no one will tolerate it anymore, and maybe there will be a russian federation in the form in which it is or is there a chance for russia to remain in the form in which it is and maintain its dominant position and influence on the

world. they have many resources, this is a big country , they always have a chance. therefore, to say that in they have no chance to maintain their influence on the world, i cannot. it depends on the solidarity of the world, because russia is not today. this is the russian leadership of the russians. this is absolutely evil , evil that behaves inhumanly or tolerates such human behavior. of course, individual russians who protest against this are just their voice. it is not audible enough and too little for such a large nation, in general, it is a nation that creates sound and uh, i believe that good always wins, i believe that good defeats evil, even excitingly, that is why i do not believe that they have any perspective, but everything after all, black and white always continue to exist in the world, they do not disappear anywhere in this balance of the world. the main thing is that we are on the white side and that wherever we are, there will always be victory on this

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