in white and black clothes and at the same time i also saw , literally before my eyes, the security of the film festival actually forbade but to drive or restricted people who walked with ukrainian flags came to the premiere and asked not to unfurl them at the premiere although of course they didn't listen, thank you very much, we have to finish the program and for all the news for today , look for more stories on our website bbc.ua and on our page in social networks. see us again tomorrow, we have the first ones, glory to ukraine, this is a program, verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 92nd day of ukrainian resistance

russian occupation in the eastern regions of russia invaders are trying to advance to shell villages and launch rocket-bombing in the places of the sick prevails in equipment and the number of soldiers at the same time the russian federation continues to lose manpower and equipment since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 29,600 personnel, tanks, 1,315 units of armored combat vehicles, 3,232 units of artillery systems, 617 jet salvo fire systems 201 anti- aircraft defenses 93 airplanes 206 helicopters 170 automotive equipment 2,225 units of boats boats 13 cruise missiles 114 drones two units of special equipment 47 units about putin's attempt to russify ukraine about poroshenko's case

summoning yatsenyuk turchynov and avakov to the sbu today we will talk in the next session hours with people's deputy of ukraine for european solidarity mykola knyazhytskyi p. mykolai good health congratulations so may 23 security service of ukraine released a video of the testimony of viktor medvedchuk, a people's deputy from the people's republic of ukraine, who stated that the illegal takeover of a section of the state oil pipeline by prikarpattia-zakhidtrans and the illegal coal trading scheme took place directly with the participation of the former president of ukraine, the fifth president of ukraine and former high-ranking officials poroshenko's lawyer ihor golovan stated that the words of putin's viktor medvedchuk about poroshenko's involvement in the illegal scheme of coal trading and the sale of the pipeline are not answered in reality, from the beginning of the war, poroshenko himself spoke

about the fact that we all need to unite to bury the hatchet of war. and finally , put aside all the misunderstandings that existed before the war. points of view - this is a story that compromises zelenskyi himself, because fighting against political opponents in wartime when political opponents are not fighting against you looks at least unreasonable, what should a strong president do, he should to call everyone in the conditions of war, the representatives of the government and the opposition, everyone and say let 's unite, let's go. you have in your factions , among your supporters there are people who have different views, but these are people who, just like me, love ukraine and want to defend it, let's we will all fight together, who is on the front, who is in the military headquarters, who

is in the information defense headquarters, we will distribute responsibilities and unite all the best people from all political forces, and if zelensky did this, then his leadership, which he still has, is quite high the rating would have become simple without doubt, instead, someone decided to drop zelensky, that is, to show zelensky turning into such a petty brawler who pulls medvedchuk out of the closet, who once attacked stus, whom no one trusts and who, uh, and who is being asked to quarrel with poroshenko, and medvedchuk is such a person who always works for the government, he once worked for the soviet government when he destroyed stus, then he worked for kuchma, then he worked for yanukovych, i think he tried to adapt to poroshenko and somehow came in. and now he has completely adapted to zelenskyi and in principle speaks about what zelenskyi wants. well, of course, we can say that his tv channels were indeed closed. well, and that his business

is flourishing, not all tv channels closed channel 1+1 , he continues to be its shareholder, that is yes, of course he is in prison, because he is in prison, well, he probably wants to have good conditions there , he probably wants to be released from there and the authorities tell him, but now poroshenko has quarreled , write the text with pleasure and here he reads from the prompter this text that was written to him, in which there is no trust er and vlada thinks that she is happy, the problem is that when the large-scale invasion began er, at first vlada went through different stages, at first there was fear, then there was confidence because they saw that all ukrainians must defend their country, the west supports us, and this is a very positive confidence, and not those positive confidences were an illusion that the elections will be held here already in june, they wanted to announce the elections today on ukrainian pravda, this is a big the article was closed for this reason, the television

channels decided to do one marathon and thought that we would win now. unfortunately, the situation on the front is now unfortunately difficult, and the spokesman of the government, arestovych, says it, and everyone can see it. it is not an easy situation in donbas , ukrainians are dying. - the russian aggressor and the nazis are a superpower. sanctions may weaken them a little someday, but everything they saved, and the west still buys oil from them, and they spend these funds on a war with us. therefore, it is now clear that the war is protracted, but probably the scenario was developed. when they thought of holding elections and released this medvedchuk with his accusations against poroshenko, it will obviously have no legal consequences because well, if poroshenko, like any other citizen, is guilty, then the court and the person must prove it if he is guilty , if he is innocent, then the obvious must be justified. but someone wanted to turn zelensky from a national leader into a caricature, someone wanted to return him to the past, and the initiator of this case was released.

they thought that they would harm poroshenko. and they hit him well, in addition to poroshenko, the security service of ukraine summons arsen avakov, oleksandr turchynov, arseniy and yatsenyuk as witnesses, although the same yatsenyuk says that he has already been to the sbu three times. turchynov, who is at the front, says come to me in the trenches and i will give you a testimony hmm, about this case, about the coal case, including what does the sbu want in this case from avakov, from yatsenyuk, from turchynov, or do we understand that for zelensky, for zelensky’s team, e.e., petro poroshenko is a sparring partner in politics, e.g. if er, zelensky will be himself without some kind of partner, well, maybe he won’t look like he, er, could look, so it’s clear why they need poroshenko and why they constantly hang him up in order to have someone to point to,

he said oh poroshenko but he was doing something else there and avakov yatsenyuk and oh turchynova avakova was in fact the minister of internal affairs for 2.5 years during zelensky's presidency, now suddenly he has some questions and some complaints, well avakov just had a conflict with poroshenko and supported zelensky, he thinks that this there was an error arsen borisovych at that time, but he did it, but now he is perceived by zelensky as an enemy because it was his entourage who fought him, they survived him , and it is obvious that there is another very important aspect, and the countries are ruled by certain elites who are united in the political faction group, we once had yanukovych's elite. the so-called donetsk elite. we remember that there was an elite that always supported yushchenko's national-democratic forces. once upon a time, and before that, the people's movement of chornovol and poroshenko belonged to this elite, in each of these elites there were different people, some are more positive and more negative , more professional or not, but one way or another, it is an elite that

relied on certain social strata. and here is zelensky, he essentially created a new elite, a party, a servant of the people, his entourage, yarmak tymoshenko, all these people - this is the new elite that represented and represents such an intermediate version of ukrainian society. neither yours nor ours. what is the difference? you can call them differently, you can support them or be against them, but this is the new elite. and now, this donetsk elite actually does not exist. someone fled to moscow. the russian invasion is completely in any pro-russian mood for a certain time, i believe that for a long time it destroyed ukraine, and we have two elites left, the national-democratic elite and the elite, there is such a difference, and here, er, i would er, or this s- the middle elite if it is not insulting to call them that, and this struggle of one against the other, and these are the middle ones, they decided to destroy them, because turchynov and yatsenyuk, and how is it not surprising that avakov belongs to the

national democratic elite, these are people who have always been or originally with yushchenko, with tymoshenko, with poroshenko, they supported the ukrainian forces about ukrainian laws about the european movement, all this is this part of how they can quarrel with each other, which poroshenko is vacating, but they belong to the same managerial elite, and those who are now in power want to destroy their only competitor, compromise, destroy, again, from my point of view, this a big mistake, because in a place of power, i would hug them all and support them and show them in a place of power what a strong manager is, but then you have to win in friendly competition, it is very difficult. well, what the same avakov couldn't do carry out leadership there by some part responsible for internal security, yatsenyuk cannot go to the west and negotiate help for ukraine with his connections and capabilities. he said

, come to me in the trenches, take evidence , but that’s normal. well, this is zelenskyi’s big mistake, because i don’t think that zelenskyi is an enemy of ukrainian statehood or ukrainian authorities, and such steps show him as an enemy of the ukrainian state and weaken it instead of strengthening it. well, it is not really clear why at this time, why poroshenko, why avakov, why yatsenyuk, why the turk, and why. actually, they are not on one side of the barricade that zelensky built for himself, because he is them on one side of the barricade with the people, since there is a people's war, but it turns out that zelensky still says that we are the same barricades, but your barricade is here on the right, mine is here on the left. well, for example, if they really think about premature parliamentary elections are possible before honest presidential elections, do you think it is expedient for the president to fulfill his promise to not go for a second presidential term

because the period we are now observing zelenskyi, these three months, they show that well, zelenskyy becomes the leader and leader not only of ukraine, but also of europe and the world leader, and maybe this status would be enough. well, what is the purpose of a person who served one presidential term and fights with the russian federation? think about a second term or early parliamentary elections if it is not clear that after our victory there will be a period of assimilation of western money, obviously there will be some questions about the feasibility of using the efficiency of using m-m, do you think that zelensky should have stopped the noise of the term and actually give the country the opportunity to develop next well, first of all, look at me, as i see it now, after all, they are not thinking about early elections, on the contrary, about making this parliament work for the longest time.

support of the former psg because psg split into two groups, one is boyko and lyovochkin, and the other is a group from dollar and medvedchuk, because they were partners, both of these groups cooperate with the authorities, and i think that medvedchuk's testimony was a testimony of this cooperation, both of these groups now against them, they are the most offended group. as i understand ihor kolomoisky for the future, because everything always depended on their votes for her to have a majority in the service of the people, and now also the former psg, which will definitely be on the hook completely to vote with the word of the people, that is, they have no problems with the majority, and now i think they would like to hold out longer, because they see that the war is dragging on. unfortunately for all of us, that is why i do not tell the truth. fair elections. zelensky, a populist, when he talked about the fact that he was once, obviously no - he could not guarantee that he was telling the truth and society will now see it. at the same time, it is his right to run for office a second time, which is legal under the constitution and limit him in this. i would not become

every person should have the right to see even we are with you so clean, he is a real leader , look, he became the leader for the event, he performed his function very well, these appeals to the parliament, to create an image. well, he is an actor, and as an actor, he worked in the role of the president, he worked brilliantly, good. that we have an army that is fighting and uh, well, they talk about zelensky, well, there is such a joke about him that they call him or he didn't run away, so he wouldn't be a hero, he wouldn't run away, but it's actually very good that he stayed in the country that he stayed in kyiv that he started continued to lead the country it is absolutely positive for the result he now has the opportunity to really become a leader, but a leader, you know , a good king is a merciful king, a leader is someone who knows how to unite around him, that is why he is a leader, and he who divides and creates his own gang is not leaders and that's why he will be and then he will be doomed

to defeat. that's why it's zelensky's choice whether he or he or he or he will remove himself from politics at all . and he's ambitiously thinking, they're not going to do it or he'll lose, but the way he's being led now it the path to defeat, will he be able to become the one who will unite society? right now, he has to decide for himself, you have already mentioned how opzzh plays along, because the former psg plays along with zelenskyi 's team. the fact that people who worked under yanukovych's regimes cannot hold positions, and this was a very important decision, in fact, it was not possible until the end, and it was used incorrectly, but, well, this rule worked. now we see how the opposition faction is renamed to the next one for a lifetime, but these people really worked for putin two two opzzh and these pro-russian columns that they were always

pro-russian i do not believe that the war can radically change or, let's say, nullify the experience that people had in this party and in medvedchuk's team, these people are again micro and again some kind of for life or for what, for the future or for something else, is there a need? after the war, after our victory, some kind of solution is needed. now the ban is about pro-russian forces. do we need some kind of solution that would give the opportunity to sift, well, at least the politicians, i don’t know the journalists, also, er, on the subject of where they were, how they worked or cooperated with pro-russian forces, or whether they contributed to putin coming to ukraine, because this is actually quite a serious decision, because we constantly discuss about of our colleagues who are in the only telethon who worked for medvedchuk should they be in this telethon or shouldn't they say well the law allows us to do oleksandr

tkachenko says about what we have every journalist on you are not on the special account, that's why you are not there, it is not obvious that everyone who is ready is on the account, the sovereigns will fulfill their will, and the problem with those journalists, i don't think that they were particularly pro-russian, they fulfilled the will of whoever told them paid, but the government is always satisfied because it pays the government, now they do their will, this is much more convenient than working with independent people who need to be convinced of something. if we talk about lustration, you know. i think that lustration came to us in the wrong way i was talking about it then, because what does lustration mean ? lustration means removing from making state decisions and participating in politics those people who betray the ukrainian people in our form. lustration came in such a way that we banned the deputy head of some district

administration from working there as a minor official, he did not betray anyone, he signed the budget and papers. and he cannot work, but a deputy who was yanukovych's right-hand man can be a deputy and influence politics. therefore, this is an imitation of lustration to a large extent a real lustration would be if these people who politically supported anti-ukrainian forces and brought ukraine to the situation it is in did not have the right to engage in politics, this would be a real illustration. we forbade them to engage in pro-russian politics, we forbade them to be called opzzh, the difference is that they will be called something else and will do the same thing, this means imitation, how can it be prohibited, well, constitutionally, it must be difficult to do it, because everyone a citizen has the right to vote and be elected, but if the government really wanted to distance itself from

pro-russian forces, it would have said that we will never form coalitions with any of those who were pro-russian parties in our lives, and then they will be in the minority all the time, and then they will not that they will not influence, but the government says no, we need them. they should not support putin now. let them change the flag and support zelensky and we will continue to do everything together with them, that is, no responsibility for what these people did whether they are politicians or journalists well, journalists are a little different story of politics, first of all, in general, they do not bear the most important thing, they bear moral responsibility, what is moral responsibility , if these people said, you know, we were wrong , we were wrong, now we see how high the price of our we are ready to atone for our mistakes and will never do what we did again, well, people are capable of making mistakes, i think that some people could forgive these people for their behavior, society, but

they don't do that, even though we have nothing to repent of ok well, we were forbidden to be called newsone , whose name is zik or opzzh, now we will be called by other names, which now we will keep quiet and then we will do the same thing because the government allows us to do it , unfortunately, how does it look? well, i remember, for example, yuri boyko or nestor shufrich or vadim novinsky, or even oleksandr vilkul. although he is now there heroically defending kryvyi rih, but at least these people contributed to the fact that putin came to ukraine. i always feel some kind of internal dissonance. because when i listen to yuriy boyk who began to say something about what should be done during the war or something else after the war. i always remember this photo, how they flew to dmitry kozak in the administration of the president of the russian federation, took pictures there in the reception room, how they went to them for peace and, let's say, talked about

the fact that ukraine does not want to make certain concessions there. i don't understand why these people are still in svoboda in the first place. i don't understand why they sit in the verkhovna rada, and even more so, i don't understand why. vote or what they initiate, this is the biggest dissonance that exists. well, look, i agree with you , vilkul is a slightly different story, because vilkul is really defending kryvyi rih now and has already repented so many times , repented and cursed the enemy. he was always a good manager, somewhat adaptable, because he worked with yanukovych, but he was a good manager, and now he is from the white side publicly, because all the others whom you named, they are sorry, they are not at the front, well, they cannot be a deputy at the front but you can go to the soldiers to provide humanitarian aid, support them , speak out, condemn, so putin, whom you went

to, they don't do that, and vilkul does, so vilkul can be an example for others, i had a very interesting story with the wolf, so private i remember i remember that i was returning from a business trip, and before that we had a terrible argument with him on some broadcast, we discussed on may 9, we were obviously in opposite positions, i didn't even recognize him, he approached me at the vienna airport, we said hello and he said you know, i want to tell you that in fact i am much bigger and yours is of the same mind than you think. well, i just have a different electorate and we had a debate with him there , but it really is a slightly different story in relation to other people. well, i didn't see them. i saw how they left for border and returned heroically, but i don't see that they went to the front, uh, you understand, just to support, even even, i'm talking about bringing something, and just supporting the soldiers, staying with them, understanding what the problems are, trying to help these people with something, that's what i'm talking about unfortunately, i didn’t see it, and that’s why these people are ordinary, they ’re just ordinary people who adapt, but by and large they’re traitors. let’s talk about what

putin is already doing in the occupied territories, in particular in kherson oblast and partly in luhansk oblast and donetsk oblast, partly in zaporizhzhia. hmm, what’s happening with issuing these passports with, as they say, these dead two-headed chickens, but uh, about one million such passports were issued to the horde, of course. this gave putin a reason, then he said that the citizens of the russian federation are in ukraine, that we we are protecting them, their rights are somehow being violated, we will now protect them from yesterday, then he ordered to distribute passports to the residents of kherson region, and this means that kherson region and an obvious part of zaporizhzhya region putin also wants to privatize or privatize in the same way as part of luhansk region and donetsk region, what do russian passports mean for the

kherson region, this means that they will go the way of the so-called lpr and dpr, or are they preparing this part for joining or joining the russian federation, or do they need it exclusively in order to later manipulate and say, well, you see, we are there because there are our citizens and we have to protect them. no, they understand that crimea will not survive without kherson oblast. that is why they need to annex kherson oblast to crimea . it is obvious that they would like to build this bridge all the way to transnistria to moldova, and it is not for nothing that the west says that it is not necessary to help young guns. it is obvious that they would like to carry out their plan and destroy ukraine so that there are no ukrainians because it is genocide against ukrainians that they make it obvious how they can talk to ukrainians who don't exist, they can only talk to russians, they need to write that they are russian people, now they need to be told that this is part of the russian federation. therefore, this is a full-fledged big war of a huge country, and when even we

laughed for a very long time what is the second second army in the world ? we beat the second army so easily. the first one is not easy. the second one is really the second one in the world. unfortunately, the missiles that fly here, where we are talking to you, are also in this city and in other cities of ukraine. they exist. we are like that we don't have missiles, the war is protracted, it is difficult and difficult, simply because we are fighting to preserve ourselves , we will prove to be sincere much better than them, but they are a serious, very military power, you can't underestimate this, it really is a long-term war, well, in addition to the military component, there is a very important informational component that conducted by the russian federation on our territory, in particular in the same kherson region, because they turned off all ukrainian tv channels for the access of citizens and residents of this region, e-e internet providers have also been replaced by russian at the same time, we see a single telethon. well, we can evaluate it differently, of course, and talk about it, because someone will say that espresso is not in

a single telethon, so we somehow defend our right here. yes, we defend our right to participate in this telethon, but still... when we talk about the fact that the goal of russia is to make its lying propaganda without an alternative, then we must pay attention to what we are doing in these territories. of tv channels in the territory of the kherson region. can we talk and resist doing counter -propaganda in europe, because it is also very important, a lot of european journalists are starting to talk about it . that this is a consequence of russian propaganda in europe. how do you evaluate the information policy of the state? we are not talking about the authorities, even the state during the war

. zelenskyi well, here's what kissinger actually said , what zelenskyi didn't agree with. zelenskyi hunted until the 1938th year. they say that kissinger appeals to this old era, although in principle i don't think that kissinger was wrong for some reason because, well, he during the last 30-40 years all under the soviet union drew certain conclusions. well, i don’t know why zelensky didn’t like it. zelensky for some reason thought that someone had said that we should give up our territories and come to an agreement with the russians in this way, and i read that the speech of some injera kissinger actually said by and large that ukraine should be supported, but it cannot be turned into a war with russia because it is a great effort for european countries. it

can be argued that it is not and that ukraine should go to the border of the beginning of a large-scale front, zelenskyi says the same thing, but the russians presented it in such a way that kissinger said that we should make territorial concessions to russia, it was russian grass and even zelenskyi read it, not the ukrainian explanation of what he actually said you understand kiesinger and not even skincher's quote , that is, russian propaganda works even on zelensky himself. not to mention that it means that ukrainian information policy does not work for you and me. at first, when the full-scale invasion began, arestovych and several other spokesmen appeared there, and maybe it was necessary to unite people and give them hope eh, but then people need to speak with hope, present the truth and have the tools for this, the only telethermal telethon under the guise of war was not created in order to perform some functions for the defense of the country and in

order to quickly monopolize all information and prepare for the elections, which were planned to be announced in the fall already in june, and therefore it was necessary to throw out all political competitors, as the authorities believed, and under the pretext of war to make one channel, but this one channel is not determined to win in the information war, because if the minister of culture sits and instead of defending our achievements in the east, he personally reads well, he does not send a darkman as medvedchuk did, but does exactly the same and he personally reads the layouts and tells which channel what to show, and he still has a bunch of other tasks , some of which he does very well, and he spends his time on this, so it definitely won't help the information war. you see , i remember when we were young journalists with oleksandr tkachenko and met with him and khrystyna freelan , who was also a young journalist and worked in kyiv, they talked about freedom of the press and about ideals. and

now sasha sits and edits the layouts of various oligarchic channels so that they can piss someone off there and we didn't mention someone here, we don't mention restovych because he's bored, here we scold poroshenko and we don't mention the hard-working one here because he's good but may be too popular, well, that's absurd, it has nothing to do with the information struggle, the information struggle is serious work when ob people connect, when a method is really created, there is already no foreign language, we did something russian-language there, along with other channels in poland, using budget funds, there is inter ukraine , it seems they are making some kind of russian-language site this does not spread our position in different languages, neither in europe, nor in the world, nor in ukraine, and russia is not affected in any way by this throwing of budget funds into the air, we can say that we really won the information war at the first stage thanks to the support of the event, because when we started western publications write about a possible invasion