about the conversation or about the characters after a conversation after which i wanted to just forget about it, i don’t know everything, slap 200 g there and just do n’t think about it at all, what kind of story are these stories with mostly so-called fighters of the so-called ldnh, you understand. if the russians can behave completely cold-blooded, you can even consider that it is simple. well, you adjusted a bit, a person there from another world, and all that she carries is from that world, yes, and about the inhabitants of hordlo. when we will to return these territories, we will return them with these people, and when i cannot reach them on elementary issues, so when they start telling me russian propaganda, this

is really very unpleasant and very such . as an element of each of your interviews with relatives, so in particular those people who are now in captivity in ukraine, i am very often surprised even there, hmm, the perpetrators of these crimes are not officers or private members of the armed forces there of the russian federation, namely their strong rear, so to speak. yes, these are wives, mothers, and so on, and what is your attitude to all this, what you see there, what you hear there, well, here is the maximum . on their own and have already understood a lot of things, yes, those are the people with whom we

communicate. they are usually everything that is under the direct line of russian propaganda, and what we hear from them is the result of this influence . by a pilot, we must understand that the pilot usually works according to certain coordinates. yes, but you cannot say this about the hail operator, and so on. you spoke with the gunners of such a plan and how they explained what they fell on residential areas. well, for example, there were two of them who personally took part in the shelling of ukraine on the night of february 23-24 , and they fired an incredible number of these missiles, but that’s all. we

they thought it was a training exercise, a combat soldier was shooting, and you ca n't help but know what you were shooting at, well, what kind of training, how were they rotating, they said, they said yes, we have training and combat training, and we thought that we would play on the training ground, thank you, thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr , volodymyr xovtin, blogger, journalist, coordinator of the ministry of internal affairs project look for yours worked live on the espresso tv channel, on behalf of our tv viewers, we would like to thank volodymyrova for this not too honorable but very difficult and necessary work, this is serious journalism. well, on the tv channel espresso continues the information and analytical marathon 9:33 minutes khrystyna yatskiv borkovsky and the british flower that informs us today that russian british intelligence russian ground forces continue to try to surround

severodonetsk lysychansk here the message is synchronous with the message of our general staff recently capturing several villages to the northwest of the pastoral russia is also trying to surround severodonetsk, but ukraine controls several protected sectors, preventing the enemy from completely capturing donbas, the task of the southern group russian troops continue to occupy the south of ukraine, and in recent days, russia has probably moved 50-year-old t-62 tanks, serhiy zgurets said about this from a deep storage area to the area of ​​responsibility of the southern group of troops, the 62 will almost certainly be particularly vulnerable to anti-tank weapons, and their presence on the battlefield emphasizes the shortage of modern military equipment in russia was emphasized by the ministry of defense . which are deconserved means that the crisis is armed with equipment. although they are taking artillery, e.e., our

capabilities, when there is a contour offensive, it will also very much even agree. information came from dnipropetrovsk region under the rubble and in the future they are looking for people. they are looking for people, circumstances and localization, mr. reznichenko did not inform us, we are talking about the dnipro, what exactly is the dnipropetrovsk region, do you understand, is it the regional center? it's about the region. well, we're in touch now. boris zakhara is the director of the human and rights charitable foundation. we congratulate you, mr. boris. glory

to ukraine. yes, and accordingly, the issue of captivity here is pro-russia - this is a separate song, we are interested in our guys. so, in your opinion, what other tools are possible, possibly international, perhaps some practical ones, we are talking about some kind of closer communication between our security forces and security forces enemy yes, we understand that people need to be extracted from the other side, we don't even know how terrible the circumstances in which they are now are not about formal captivity , it's about torture, abuse, nutrition level, access to doctors, and so on and so on, of course well, we have to appeal to international organizations that must take this under their control, that is, it is necessary that

representatives of international organizations of the red cross and other doctors without borders can visit our prisoners. and so more well, they show some readiness , initiative, we understand what is necessary. of course , there is a big, big difference between what is necessary and what is real. it depends on us, then nothing will happen, so we have to knock on all the doors of international organizations, as well as our western partners and not only western partners, because on humanitarian issues we can appeal, for example and to the authorities of china and to other organizations and countries

that are not, so to speak, clear allies of ukraine, namely on humanitarian issues, in order to achieve a normal attitude towards our prisoners, so that it would be possible to control it, so that it could be created. and where are our prisoners, this is about penitentiary institutions. that is, they are thrown into the zones or they are in some camps for prisoners of war, this is a very important story. and yes, this is a sad story. many of them are imprisoned in prisons in captured territories allocated prisons for our prisoners in detention centers, and we can also talk not only about our prisoners, but also about civilians who pass through filtration camps, a ready horde of

many are taken to the territory of russia, the prisoners are mostly in the occupied territory or previously in the occupied territory, for example, or on the territory the kherson region of the occupied donetsk and zaporizhzhia regions is fighting. please tell me , we have already received several court sentences for committing war crimes in ukraine, some of them relate to the former. of the ukrainian military who in the 14th year went over to the side of the russian federation. and in 8 years they already entered the territory of their homeland with completely different flags, in fact yes, but in the end, many people are surprised, some are surprised with pleasure, ukrainian courts such well-wishers begin to issue sentences so quickly for it's absolutely obvious. crimes on the

other side, are all procedures followed, given the pace we've taken now? well, first of all, there's no certainty about it. but it's hard for me to say because i have n't looked at the criminal proceedings yet with my own eyes or one of the lawyers with whom i cooperate will not look and tell me about it, i am not ready to comment again. i am surprised by the speed with which the investigation was carried out. and i cannot say how effective it was. also, i would say that the verdict is i will say an unpopular thing, the sentence is too long, life imprisonment for the perpetrator of the crime, and i will remind the interveners, please, tell boris , for example, the perpetrator of the crime receives life imprisonment, what does the person who organized the

crime, for example, vladimir putin or the one who gave order usually they should receive a higher punishment in the form of life imprisonment. well , here we agree with you. well, i think that each of our tv viewers can individually fantasize about what kind of sentence was not fair in the case, so to speak, of the detention of citizen vladimir putin . the question of our citizens of azov who are in captivity, we understand that the information is secret, confidential and so on, but it is possible that there is some information unofficially , in particular, it is about the attitude towards our boys and the possible involvement of additional tools such as of the united nations because this story is serious, this is a violation of the geneva convention - this is a violation of agreements and this is a violation of the basic principle of lawmaking and legislation when they

try to convict them under a nanofabricated law, definitely this violation of the geneva conventions is also a war crime in fact and eh i want to say that there are only rumors and they are allowed to call their relatives. it is not known whether they can talk on the phone, obviously no, but what the wives of our prisoners say, what do they say? they seem to be kept in normal conditions, they are not tortured and they are fed normally, they are fed normally what is actually going on there is unknown boris, a little more about uh, obviously, the citizens of ukraine who entered under the russian flags and these are definitely servicemen of the russian federation, ukrainian traitors, and it is obvious that it is unlikely that uh, they can

to exchange in the future so i am talking now about the crimeans in particular, well, the sum to say er here is part of the legality so to speak from the point of view of the law from the point of view of the constitution of ukraine to exchange them er not they can, unless they leave their citizenship, they still can’t exchange retrospectively, if they can of their own accord, leave their citizenship, start the procedure if they are very interested in the exchange , exchange, etc. the case of medvedchuk for example, if the russians agree to the exchange of medvedchuk, citizen medvedchuk will not want to change and so on, especially since

the procedure for removing citizenship in our country is somehow extremely murky. unequivocally, i believe that there can be no, there are no legal norms regarding this. aa should have prepared for this a long time ago. in other words, we have long been the last walls and you, we have long since crossed, as it were, absolutely illegal a-a exchanges, illegal extraditions , but uh, we have to talk about the life of our er military about the life of our civilian prisoners about the military and it is so valuable that we can violate some er in my opinion and the norms of laws and norms of european law are the most painful in view of

humanitarian issues, so i think that these are correct solution thank you, useful director of the charity fund, and for your work. well, we are taking a step further: a doctor, a social worker, a lawyer, and a psychologist. half a hundred mobile groups consisting of such specialists are currently working all over ukraine with displaced persons. teams go to places where there are many displaced persons and advise those who need help. and with the preparation of documents to provide psychological medical assistance to others today, the ukrainian public health foundation, which works with the support of the international organization unicef provided more than 40,000 services, how do such multidisciplinary teams work, in particular in lviv, in the story of iryna ostrovska tetiana denischenko lives in one of the modular towns in lviv, the woman came from lysychansk, but at the moment she cannot receive state assistance as a forced migrant

, the problem is that she says that from her apartment to she was registered in her hometown, but she did not have time to register in another before the great war, so she cannot confirm that she is a forcibly displaced person. where did she go? i didn't get my question, but the woman was helped by a lawyer from the mobile team of the ukrainian public health foundation, which works with the support of the international organization unicef. thank you very much. it helps me with the date. well, now she explained to me where i would go and where they would be so that they would not give verbally but in writing what they they don't want to give me there or they can't. yes, i will apply to the witness court. in general, there are 50 such teams in ukraine in 11 regions of the lviv region, but soon three more will work. each group consists of from a medical social worker, a lawyer, and a psychologist, mobile teams themselves come to the

displaced people and help solve their urgent issues . that is before - this is help to people who, e. she is oriented and she does not understand that chain , logical what to do to solve a certain er issue, let's say such a professional redirection of a person and maybe even in certain cases escort to the final point to solve er issues, the team constantly goes to those places where there is a need for internally displaced persons, it can be schools, it can be places of compact living, such as modular towns. they already work with the needs of those er residents who displaced persons also live there, and one

of the tasks of the multidisciplinary team is to learn about the needs of internally displaced persons in order to better provide them with humanitarian aid in the vicinity of this, we also opened a children's point together for a fun and meaningful leisure time for children. today there are few small immigrants here, but usually in the palace and nearby, the workers of the children's project are very noisy. - 70 children can be calm in a day, because we have a park here not only from the mobile town, but also those who just walk with their parents also come to us, play outside, play volleyball, football, try a little distract entertain despite the fact that many displaced persons have already left lviv due to the liberation of their hometowns and villages by the ukrainian army, the

work of the specialists of the mobile groups has not decreased because people from the combat zone continue to break through to lviv every day, so unicef, together with partners from the ukrainian public health foundation, plans to continue its mission to ease the conditions of those who suffered from russian aggression. an extremely important topic for our fellow citizens who were forced to leave their homes. you are on the air of the espresso tv channel. there is an informational and analytical marathon going on, and now we will talk about it with pavlo rozenko, minister of social policy of ukraine in 14-16 , vice president of the red cross of ukraine . the international red cross is the red cross of ukraine - this is the ukrainian red cross. glory to ukraine, mr. pavly, glory to the heroes , glory to the glorious ukrainian, among the ukrainian red crosses, everything let's talk about

ukrainian money for internally displaced persons , that is, i use it in general, for me these are people who were simply forced to leave their homes because a large part of their homes were destroyed or there is shelling, well, the situation is tragic, but the money is not too much, so to speak, well, that's right , the state is on its own i made a commitment and here is the question , i watched your story and unfortunately there is a question that the state body cannot fully help or explain to internally displaced people how to act in one or another situation, it is possible and you can understand it because the load today is large and thank god they require internally displaced persons how from the point of view of legal support it is so how so

including how we are red cars we also help by providing humanitarian aid and plus we have already realized to lose to financial support that is monetary support for the internal displacement of uteruses, and today we have a separate program, each person can receive a displacement through the portal, the cost is uah 2,500. yes, i felt right, but we understand that it is actually a pittance yes. as for the so-called shelters where refugees are forced to stay, well, very often that shelter is set aside for a very specific limited time of work, there are no people, they are simply trapped, they are in a social trap, this is not an insult to you, this is not an insult to the authorities, but still we understand well, what a tragic fate human and people are sometimes forced to simply return to their ransacked houses or there are destroyed houses

, this is such a stalemate situation, see this is really a very complex issue, it is an internal issue of displaced persons, because it is really in the first place the issue today is already the question of employment, and here i think that no one can replace the role of the state and local bodies, we can do it as a service and auxiliary function, both internally moving individuals and the state, and when we say 2.5 thousand, then of course it is from one on the one hand, it is not enough, but on the other hand, it is not an alternative or a replacement for state social assistance, where people receive 3,000 or 2,000 depending on the status of the family. that is, it is, on the contrary, assistance for excess amounts, that is, we do not collect from such sources this package, which in some way at least can

help internally displaced persons at this time. plus, don't forget that we provide such humanitarian aid in the form of food, clothing, medicines , etc., which also helps to relieve some burdens etc., therefore, we understand that the state does not have a huge amount of money there , therefore, with the help of the red cross of ukraine with the help of international partners, we accumulate the necessary supplies and still try to help people er, we have already heard several testimonies that there are even precedents of the return of people who previously left for severodonetsk to pokrovsk. and this is donetsk region, too, people are supposedly returning, and this was heard on our air today, and i would really

like to understand and what is the problem what people decide for themselves and to go under fire and return to immediate danger than to stay is possible and not in luxury conditions so definitely possible and not in the best er-er condition but nevertheless more or less safe ot you have an understanding of why people are coming back to us, maybe it's really so bad. yes, it's impossible to live in the shelters. well, i think that there are definitely facts that people are returning, but today and whether we are engaged in the letter. basically, people still continue to evacuate from the zones . the same in severodonetsk there is a shepherd from other cities and towns of the luhansk donetsk zaporizhzhia regions, therefore, a panotok on the contrary, i want to draw attention to the fact that it is

small , but it is quite serious. people have the same questions that were evacuated there 2-3 months ago that there really is not enough, it is possible that there is not enough financial resources, first of all, there is probably still employment and jobs and therefore, obviously, the skin series of the authorities in your money, in turn, together with people should pay attention not only to the issue of social protection, but also to the issue of adaptation and employment, and it is possible to think about how to open a business, rent premises, and for sure, i think that from the task and appeal to the immigrants to consider the issue not only in western ukraine, but also in central

ukraine, where there are more opportunities for settlement and possible employment. therefore, it is obvious that such problems exist for the church and for all of us. an unconditional solution, mr. minister , would undoubtedly require some kind of integrated concept that would be presented. therefore that when i see this or that information about the creation of houses for three hundred and two hundred families, we understand that this is a drop in the ocean. with normal funding with the good managers of his time, when mykhailo saakashvili found himself in a similar situation, of course the number of internally displaced persons was an order of magnitude smaller

. a completely new social reality , that is, it is not a question of well, they left, they moved. in order to employ those people, so that they do not end up on the front line, which, moreover, has certain prospects for movement. that unfortunately, including our international partners, well, they are not always ready to finance this particular activity because they believe that these are temporary, some kind of conditions, that's why they did 7, 8, 10 years already after the beginning of the aggression, when

everyone saw that this is a long story only because of this time already from the state budget of russia, the allocation really lived for the representatives already as a standard because the foreign one now says that it should be transformed from the ghetto of settlers and receive in a temporary reading and so on and so on and so on, yes, but it will be possible, it must be really state aid, i see today and i hear from officials of different levels that there is an effort to say what to say that there will be a question of what the state will guarantee housing for displaced persons, what will rebuild the frequency of part of the housing that was not yet completed for a minute time, that is, there are such different forms, but i agree with you. what is this kind of holistic concept that could possibly be

presented to people? well, unfortunately, today we have that's why we are still trying to somehow help people in a specific way in relation to competition. of course, i think that this just today is lacking, we finally have two minutes, we emphasize once again that the international committee of the red cross is one story - the ukrainian red cross is a completely different story, they are united only by the plus-minus icons, as far as i understand it but nevertheless, i would like to understand if there is any communication because the goals are actually very close, and we know that the latest decisions of the international committee of the red cross looked quite dubious until the opening or plans to open some kind of office in rostov-on-don and cooperation with the russian the ministry of foreign affairs on the russian side is generally and definitely a direct communicator with the international committee of the red cross, these are still governments and

authorities and they have direct contact with them and dialogue, but from our side we are definitely with them we are trying to convince them of something there, too. well , we have the opportunity to communicate and do joint projects, and in particular what i said about the payment of the displaced persons to your fulfillment is our joint project of the international committee of the red cross, the red cross of ukraine and the authorities, but of course they are working on their own they have parades. the history of their organization counts more than 160 years of their activity there, and they certainly have their own logic, and therefore we should follow that logic and they worked for 160 years so that it was for the benefit of our state and that they today do today for particularly e-e negotiation process regarding the exchange