the russian people who will be freed from the occupiers, but i insist on that. well, that's your business. of course, this is the lublin triangle - it can become a basis for recognizing such a broad government of the belarusian future, and if indeed ukraine will consider it necessary to support the belarusian position in exile in this way it will be very cool thank you for joining frank belarusian oppositionist adviser to svitlana tikhanovskaya worked live on the ber program together let's go moldabaev bera ber now zaidemovych let's you we work let's involve artem or him in our conversation as a people's deputy of ukraine deputy head of the crimean tatar people's medical council right away

i want to say right away let's start with what is happening on the territory of the genichesky district of the kherson region , which well, as the head wrote between sulfate or the enemy, the newly captured territories of ukraine are temporary, but they are fascinated by the fact now and er today literally started as yes yes i understood the cleansing of the local population from among the representatives of the leading people of ukraine, the crimeans. they are trying to create, can deport people from there, can they create a filtration camp or something? well, i think

finally, everyone understands that this is a terrorist state, it will do what it essentially does with and with the consent of that terrorist. yes, it has identified enemies for itself and the first enemy in the occupied territories of the temporary ones in the crimea is the crimean tatars, the ukrainians, er, on the mainland of ukraine - these are the crimean tatars and the banderites, that is, the ukrainians, and therefore hope that this state is a terrorist. who else can think like that? it's there in the morning and it will be every morning until now, until we liberate this territory , that's what's been going on lately, what kind of rhetoric has been going on in our

society here, and it's that we need to look for good russians there. it's here. you know who they are uh, they managed to leave, actually escape from these territories, they are different people, and among them there are those who, uh, poke there for them, this is such a way to survive, yes, but what are we doing now, we give such a message, which ones were in crimea, yes, on the beginning of the occupation. this is what cannot be allowed. well, what is this? i am not talking about these lyuses. i am talking about the official, about the official representatives of the government, it is impossible. yes, we know, we

said from the first day that it would be such a long, protracted war, but this is such a war . and she will exhaust russia and give it to us the possibility of victory and here i am there every morning and at night more often at night because there is such an opportunity for some of our people of our citizens to appear there on the air. yes , they have so much on facebook. that is the pain and the hope that is for us, for uh, from crimea, who was forced to leave for them and for those in crimea, is very close, yes, they understand that they we will all live this hope, this nation, this hope, it uh, dies the last, as they say in crimea 8 years and she did not die and there is confidence on the contrary, she is a russian woman who is now facing the crimea, yes

who came for free and became an accomplice to this putin crime, she is now kaya from the wings and there is water further on or whatever, all this nonsense so that the employee must say them because well, no, it will not in any way affect the moral, physical , psychological situation that is currently happening in territories of crimea so what do we need to do now and this is for kherson and er for zaporozhye and for other territories that we must be in this long war wars we will win there is no need to er lie that we will be there in two days in we don't need to beat everyone now the information field sucks with this er russian- language content for which

we spend millions and millions of money. you know that i was killed by the aider. this is honest about the heads, how on the day of mourning, may 18 , we interview me in this freedom, yes, which they created and not so that he was not persuaded to broadcast in russian, they started it in december of last year and continued at the beginning of this year, they are reprimanding them. i said the same to them at the committee. who ran away of the russian world on the mainland of ukraine and then push this russian language and the russian world and that 's really... do you understand what it's for in order to have some aspects of influence in the next

elections there or today's failures yes , what has the government done in recent years, because it is not necessary to do it now, it is necessary to systematically give information in this way , and our societies have a different society, we have a private russia. we understand everything . over- how, as they say, drops yes информационных who are we going to win in two days? well, we are there , in this bad situation. we know, tell us, we have

been attacked by someone for a long time, and we need to systematically, for a long time now, calculate our strength, the car . in russian because we have otbu- we have to put psychological pressure on russian society, in principle, it should be done not outwards, the internal media market, but outwardly, i emphasize outwardly, because as long as there is the internet, we have to show them their dead, show them what is happening here, and it somehow still affects, but i absolutely agree that we need and on the speech and on the speech angelu speech and taloma franco speech uh there in german well then what is very necessary i don't know why i what movements are there in this direction i just don't see them maybe i missed something in any case it is so desirable all do not even with state funds during the war, we understand that we do not have a comprehensive information policy

, but instead we have very unpleasant cases, well , this is an order, it is from a certain, certain kind of crimes , in particular, it is about the disconnection of three tv channels , so they took them and unlocked them from the t2 network, and here considering what akhtema aga just said fits into the concept of informational juggling, so to speak, because we heard during the last few weeks here or there at the beginning of the war that the elk is here soon, soon, at once, at once, that's all the matter will be finished, russia will retreat, fall apart, and so on, but now we have heard a completely different story . i want to clarify, anton, this is exactly the topic, ah, i wanted to ask such a question, that ah, such waves cannot exist, when everything is good, then everything is bad everything is good, everything is bad, it is necessary. well, we are sober. people, we understand what is happening. we don't go there with rose-colored glasses, but this is how that

car, uh, explains this situation. yes, on the one hand, there is information and statements and intelligence and probably some politicians that uh, well war type it will end in the winter, at the same time they say that in the winter the ukrainian army can be in crimea with the help of american weapons, etc. at the same time the messages are coming from the kherson region and at least the zaporizhzhia region, probably also that the third line of fortifications is already being built by the occupiers and i i know they are working there, everything is just going there, that is, powerful engineering, military, military engineering works . during these months until the beginning of the year, and if we know what to expect or how to communicate with

society, what to prepare people for. because really, everyone has a mind - you understand, we go in, we understand for sure that this is the third, that is, now the residents of the kherson region are living what they have already experienced twice crimean tatars and cinema just over these years when the crimea then as deja vu occupation, here are the kherson regions of the heniche district, where the crimean tatars live, that is, for us, it’s all very similar, so very sorry for the donetsk occupation of parts luhansk oblasts well, regularly we are also news and for us this is life and such a terrible deja vu, in fact, there is no need to be hysterical here, there is no need for them to be neither super optimistic nor pessimistic, but what does reality look like and how should we tell people this so as not to lie, to be sober but if you are sure that crimea will be liberated anyway and kherson, then you understand first what lies started about the fact that it is not a lie, but let's say that it is the efforts of

society that the war will not be the same as it is now and that there is some kind of secret nsdc spent there the streets are different, but for now, somehow these monkeys, who are not military, do you understand, the problem is that they talk and give zinc in these general marathons, they are not military, but they are given by monkeys who, to be honest, bear this on themselves the grill is about what, so that society is constantly taxed, up-down, up-down, moved by emotions, it is not necessary to do this, it is dangerous. yes, and as for the state of the state, well, how can i say it again , the battle for kherson is the battle for crimea because in crimea this demoralization of russians is also in these panaekhavshikhs it began with the fact that the first and stage of the war

were won, in my opinion, the whole of ukraine entered the war, yes . frightened yes, they are afraid of this too, because i fear it more than anything, when there in crimea, at first, several people were captured there, put in prisons, and they showed how they hold their husbands for this, and now, too, because it is more demoralizing. but now, well, no you can, well, i don't know what kind of idiot you have to be not to understand what these are large borders that they are trying to strengthen on the mainland parts of crimea, it is impossible to control ukraine, yes, there

were no such forces in russia before, and now they will not be able to, therefore, they are quickly starting on the occupied kherson oblast, zaporizhzhia, such a manipulative demoralizing, influencing somewhere psychological on the population, as in crimea, it was done quickly there to hand out passports. yes, there are queues for the doctor, he is a bandit , but not in this question, what are the queues there? i said before, remember that we cannot 2 million people to blame the fact that they are trying to use in these occupied territories the fact that they give passports the fact that they intimidate there that this is their natural essence this is a terrorist state but they are close to our citizens they understand that there, for example, between kherson and melitopol is a few hundred

kilometers away, and it is impossible to control it there, and that is why i say that it is necessary for the military to talk. no , these are talking monkeys, so i am sure that the exhaustion of the russian state in these and these occupation troops is needed time and here we need to clearly tell our ukrainian people that we clearly know what we are doing, not to the politicians who practically gave up everything yesterday . only because they are so brave there, they are working out

their directions, because they are not speculating on these topics, because they clearly say one performance, for example, yes, there is an alkaline coal opens a lot of people's eyes there and they know that well the war lasted so long, but we, er, are making a speech of a diligent person. we had another interview with general marchenko, yes. the reaction of the secretary of the nsdc, mr. danilov, was quite frank. well, let's hope that no one will wait until the end of the war, because how do you very rightly pointed out that it is impossible to demoralize people, that is, i think that the residents of the kherson region know very well the various circumstances of how it all happened

. in this case, they should be marked so that the society clearly knows who was responsible and for what. thank you very much for participating in the broadcast of the bera bera program of the joint project of the atp tv channel and espresso . we are adding to our broadcast the journalist alimalyev, the deputy general director of the ukrainian institute, the co-founder of crimea-sos, salyama alaikum , glory to ukraine, the ukrainian-speaking presenters here are already starting to speak a little crimean, that is, very your influence on the presenters is so good, let's do something

. although i myself am not very soft to say the least. you speak better. listen to the first question. well, let's start as usual with news from news from the cultural front, which is very important now, i see the so-called counteroffensive of russian culture, everywhere they can, they indoctrinate their people. well, for example, this director serebrynnikov, who was there for stealing, was sitting there, er, somewhere there, he was given a present under arrest, he was released to cannes, but there are also many other cases like this. do not touch the russian culture there, tchaikovsky is useless, we are useless, we are all useless, and although the main character , for example, this director, i forgot his last name, which i planned to shoot, he supported the aggression, the letter vz , etc. that is, dirt is sitting on dirt, in principle, but they they don't close their mouths and continue. it's not this russian culture, but it's a shame that some people whom

we considered or consider or consider to be representatives of ukraine at events are singing along to them. the ukrainian institute as an institution that represents the humanitarian front of ukraine at the international level. how do you react to this, what do you think about it, and about his speech, about his e-e person separately, and about what to do with it, how to counter it calmly, but it is not aimed at and i am asking you, in fact, did you mention zvyagintsev, uh, another director, director of livyafan, director of other russian directors , artists who today are under the sauce of good russians , and promote an allegedly alternative point of view of russia, although we see that all these toxic narratives which russia, through its policy, directs at

other countries, their cultural figures also do the same, and for me this is a very good example with the silversmith who went to the press conference. not only that, he talked about the lifting of sanctions from one of the oligarchs which is financed by this regime of putin abramovich, and he talked about the need to feel sorry for and think about the families of russian soldiers who died today, all of them are rotting on ukrainian soil, yes and this is actually about the fact that russian culture is an imperial culture, we see in different countries and classical russian culture is even more modern today and it forms the advice that there is something higher and that

something is meant exactly. this is the culture of great russia and there is something very urban, very rural , which is represented by the cultures of, for example, countries of the former soviet society, and here i would discuss that the boycott is one of the elements, but it is not a sufficient element, now the ukrainian institute has focused on providing an alternative to the void that existed for many years about ukraine that's why we we actively offer to communicate with our partners, offering modern people from about ukraine, modern modern ukrainian culture , academic projects, research projects,

communication projects, yes, to explain what ukraine is today, the main thing is our fairly quick task - this is explain ukraine, that is, to explain what what is ukraine, what is ukraine today, and why are ukrainians today fighting so massively for the land and not accepting everything, if we talk very briefly about directors or artists in general who are from the ukrainian side who are shouting about the friendship of the people and so on, this is for me first of all. it is probably in the ukrainian art that it is post-soviet in their firmware, so the actual e-e goes to the post-post-soviet platform . of lower cost. therefore, we obviously

have to provide a lot of good alternative content today, which, fortunately, in ukraine for the past 8 years, there really is and it is being created more and more. to analyze is in particular about the presence of people who served, that is, they did not just use russian narratives in the ukrainian public space, they introduced them and did not and they introduced it not because they are so stupid, but because they are so young that they received money for it from the environments directly related to the specific a pro-russian structure, the name of which i would say is the classic legion, because it is not alone, so to speak , in the tv sinks of medvedchuk, this whole thing came to life, so if we talk about the fact that we

do we represent there or do you represent ukraine in the world? this is how we see how ukraine and a certain information policy are represented by people who, what they did, worked in those structures, in which he is still in the pre-trial detention center. this is the paradox, alime, i absolutely agree with you, because today, of course a part of those who are in ukraine and in the public space are so-called influencers who for a long time appeared to be pro-russian and fed the audience with their pro-russian content, but today they continue to think about where to make money and it seems to me that this is primarily a question of money, because for such people, it is a priority, not

values, because we see a lot of people today on various fronts, cultural , volunteer, obviously, military or diplomatic, human rights defenders. these are the people who, these people are driven primarily by money, that's why they will definitely look for places to climb and where else to make money on the topic of war or on some other topics . unfortunately for olympia, you know here they are. yeah, i know very well the so-called wolf ticket wolf ticket for such people in their professional capacities, this is very important, it means anton that we are appealing to the authorities, and i, for example, am appealing to journalists for

the journalistic society. how can you cooperate with those who are just the day before yesterday, she was an enemy and this issue is such a rhetorical air. but let it be it is decided by the labor groups, as they say there, i want to know what to say. you noticed this minority. the cost is even less. the cost is even in the what. well, for example, the same silver cafe of zvyagintsev, they already supported them. abramovich all these years he gave them money and putin gave them money through the so-called russian state cinema . it was for these supposedly anti-russian films. there is nothing to be softened here, it is necessary to soften the people, here is nothing to do. and these ours, er, they were also kept by russian oligarchs, we know them there, er, projects

in which they took part, and for some money there they shot films about babin yar, for sure that is, absolutely here they are a copy of each other, they do not copy, they filmed about babin yar, they influenced the politics of ukrainian public commemoration, this is much more serious than influencing a film, they formed supervisory boards, they promoted certain peoples, i am not going to judge now, but this is due to the fact of the formation of public ukrainian space at the expense of of russian oligarchs , one of them, for example, is currently in london, the signature after the search is what i understand by the domestic method, and this is not just a ukrainian space, but a space with certain russian narratives useful, but the war destroyed a lot of it in this sense and we have to move on and my question to you is 3 minutes, we have even less, what should we all do if we can help, you say what can you do specifically so that there is no so -called fatigue from war that is already visible somewhere,

please tell me, please, yes, absolutely. that's why we need to fool around and build systemic ties with our foreign partners if we're talking about the external dimension of the war, but literally this monday and we premiered a german-language the premiere of crimea flash ukraine at five in the morning is a theatrical performance in berlin, and the best german actors were involved - this is the deutsche theater, this is von violia, and various other foundations. in this way, the germans themselves promoted ukrainian narratives that are deeper than those and narratives about ukraine, about ukrainian culture, about ukrainian resistance. that is why we need to do such projects and such partnerships around the world. we still need to do a lot and a lot more. we are not really aiming at this. we understand that

the further on, the more people will say that they are tired of the war, as we noticed it in 14-15 years, that is why we definitely have no right today to lose the information and narrative company in the world, we must definitely win it as soon as possible and to a large extent from you, from people from the ukrainian institute and from many other structures which are tied, for example, to cooperation with the west now depends extremely much is extremely much because this is the construction of bridges - this is the formation of a certain certain feedback from the side of ukraine, we understand how many people in the world people with world names supported ukraine clearly, specifically, without compromise, and i would very much like our government to demonstrate that it felt it, that it is grateful to them for it, and we

understand this issue of coordination of the so-called turkic -speaking world. to the director of the ukrainian institute, co-founder krym sous worked, worked live on the bera program , by zayder, we are not saying goodbye, although for today it seems that everything is ready for new meetings thank you for looking at us, look at espresso and atp, we are a nation of inventive people, rainmakers, quite versatile people, they can be anything, we invent such a borscht that does not need to be cooked, we create highly maneuverable high-speed bugs that can go anywhere, we make it work