it's nice in any blitzkrieg, of course, nato can not and will not be the main goal of nato, i prevent the conflict of nuclear states, even the use of tactical nuclear weapons is already considered a crime from the point of view of nato member countries - this must also be remembered and this is an absolutely impossible development of events , so there will be no accounting and this is absolutely reasonable because no one is going to destroy humanity by surprise, no one can hit anyone because satellites fly above the earth everyone can see so all the possibilities that exist in nato are to try to undermine the economic military potential of russia, this is first and second, i cannot understand why our compatriots do not see what it is . everything is fine, this is an effective defense union , its members are under the nuclear umbrella of the united states, france, great britain, we can repeat the country to the members at will

nato, what are they next in line, but until that moment, until russia really dares to strike at one of the nato member countries, this is absolutely a political fantasy, and in countries not yet gnat, everyone knows this very well, even these politicians who say that they will be next, the reality is that the countries that wanted real security used the time of geopolitical weakening of russia in order to become nato members, and these countries that at this time, uh, did not use that time in at the right moment, sonata has close cooperation and is now joining the alliance, it is sweden, finland, which drew conclusions from the war against ukraine, but they needed such consequences, and the countries that were in the orbit of the soviet union had such the consequences were unnecessary. they knew everything about the soviet union before that. they all concluded that poland, the czech republic,

slovakia, hungary, bulgaria, romania, latvia, lithuania , estonia, all the countries of the former warsaw pact and the three former soviet republics that were occupied by the soviet union, concluded that what ukraine was doing at that time was developing like this included the so-called multi-vector foreign policy in its doctrine of cooperation with nato excluded included excluded declared itself a country that wants to join nato declared itself a country that has a non-aligned status, all this happened not as a result of some coup d'état, but as a result of the free voting of ukrainian citizens in the presidential and parliamentary elections , including the majority of those citizens who are now directly suffering from the war, we all our

territories call now for nato to do some blitz everywhere to correct the political mistakes of ukrainians it seems rather infantile to me that ukrainians should correct their political mistakes themselves and thank the country's members too much from the military help that makes it possible to correct these mistakes and create a chance to create, and not just be absolutely from a logical political point of view, occupied by the russian federation, because a country that behaved this way from the point of view of state security, national interests, and so on, miraculously survived on the political map of the world for decades to come you understand, such incredible national state irresponsibility can only lead to the collapse of statehood. it is happiness that our people were able to go to the field twice. it is happiness that the ukrainian armed forces are now they are defending the country but this is happening contrary to the political logic, contrary to the electoral logic

of voting for ukrainians who have always voted to destroy this state oh, it didn't work now, well , we are definitely destroying it now, let's destroy it now this is a blitzkrieg mrs. olya oles poletenyuk, you once talked about how stalin laid slow-acting mines when drawing the borders of the soviet republics, karabakh is the most famous example of why in 1945 stalin did not repeat this practice in the western direction, it is very good for us of course, but it is interesting. are there any historical reasons for this, not ukrainian on the polish border, on the contrary , there were deportations, but not the creation of a ukrainian karabakh in the vicinity of przemyśl or a polish karabakh in the mostysk region, because the presence of such a karabakh would not allow the good polish-ukrainian relations that are now too slow the development of poland, which was similar to that of yugoslavia, even more so in ukraine, which was surrounded by remoteness and isolated from the western world, it is easy to imagine how easy it would be for putin the task of conquering ukraine and maybe other countries

, such mines were not laid on the polish-german czech-german borders , instead, the german population was deported. in 1645, stalin was guided by the logic of the second world war, which for the first time provided for the deportation of the german population from those territories that stalin considered his own zone of influence at the time of the deportation of the german population, it was not at all clear that stalin would manage to bring the territory of east germany under his control, it was absolutely real that germany would become somewhat neutral state in its territorial fullness, which will be which was decided at the yalta conference, and stalin absolutely did not want a german population on the territory of the territories that were in his zone of influence and these territories belonged to ordinary poland, he thought that it was better for this

population to move in this neutral germany , i will not create any revanchist sentiments in the eastern bloc. they left the territories where the soviet troops were, because they were in the territory of a complete crime, this must also be understood now, the level of abuse of the civilian population exceeded all limits, of course, now they will say that it was revenge for the crimes of the german troops in the territory occupied by the wehrmacht, and this is also absolutely obvious that the crimes there were terrible, but this does not mean that the civilian population did not suffer from the crimes of the soviet troops, plus deportation, of course, plus another important point, that when there are territories were handed over to poland to the polish communists, they also demanded the relocation of the population so that because they were their own poles, they were deported from

western ukraine, who had to be settled somewhere, why did stalin deport poles from the western lands of ukraine, because again he did not consider them a reliable population and considered that they can create a crisis situation in those territories that he was going to include in the composition of the soviet union, in addition to officially how do you know the inclusion of part of the territory of pre-war poland in the composition the soviet union had in mind the liberation of the ukrainian-belarusian peoples from polish oppression, and in a situation when poland was a socialist ukraine, soviet ukraine simply needed to demarcate these peoples. moreover, an important point was that the soviet forces were not forced to reckon with the logic of the communist governments themselves. e new ones which, on the one hand , were of course pro-soviet, but on the other hand, had certain opportunities for independent actions, and that is why operation vistula could take place there, which

destroyed the ukrainian population in the area przemyśljak you say in the east of poland in general, that is why president chekhov of slovakia bennezh expelled the german population from the odesa region with his decrees . period, i simply think that stalin's big mistake was not at all the preservation of the polish, not the preservation or non-preservation of the polish population on the territory of galicia. i think that stalin's big mistake was it is the joining of the territory of western ukraine to the territory of central-eastern ukraine, because in fact the diffusion of people who did not experience the famine, who did not experience the national exhaustion experienced by the population of central-eastern ukraine, from the point of view of bringing in more

intact national and human to take into account the experience of the austro-hungarian empire , values ​​that did not exist either in the russian empire or in the soviet union, this is what i said is the main mistake of stalin from the point of view of the ukrainian issue if the annexation of the eastern regions to ukraine, which was insisted on by stalin and lenin, also under the pretext that it was necessary to dilute the peasant population of ukraine with the proletariat, was absolutely exactly the solution from the point of view of creating traps for the future, which worked in 2014, then the annexation of the western ukrainian regions was an irreparable mistake in fact, it was such a slow-acting change under the soviet union as the accession of latvia, lithuania and estonia

. please explain why nato and the eu do not want to see us in their structures, and russia is treated like a lost bag. first of all, i do not think that anyone is treated like a lost bag with russia. there has been a strategy of political energy cooperation with russia since the 90s, obviously. that more western politicians did not count on the fact that russia would turn into such a monster that they turned into, the idea was that it would be possible to draw russia into mutually beneficial energy economic cooperation from the west, first of all with european countries, which will determine the economic growth of russia and the economic growth of western countries, and this is absolutely obvious, if you mean the worn-out turbo and the reluctance of the west to fight a nuclear state, strategic nuclear weapons that can destroy the west, do we like it or not, then again it seems to me that this is

an absolutely infantile view of oneself, but i absolutely convince you, i hope that no one before us will live to see that, for the first time, the moment of the use of tactical nuclear weapons by any side on any territory i'm not talking about strategically because we simply won't see the consequences will immediately force us to abandon such an infantile view of our you don't need to go to the concentration camp in the gas chamber, you just need to have a developed imagination, i sincerely encourage you to be in politics, people with a developed imagination, it is not necessary to bring the case to war in order to understand for the war to be there, let's say, if the russian-ukrainian war was not avoided, and it was talked about since 2014 and in 2019, ukrainian citizens were explained that there would be no meeting with putin, and that there is no chance to come to

an agreement with the dictators and so on you just had to have a good political imagination to understand it, and not to prove the case, to check with your own life experience those people who will survive during this war, because they will remain unharmed or will remain with their housing, this will not be so much as it seems. so i again urge you to have a developed imagination about why they don't want to see us in nato is because in order to be in nato, the eu needs to meet certain criteria . the european union will take place in the next decade, i would like it to happen sooner, but for this we need to carry out all the necessary reforms . it will happen, but i sincerely want it and i hope that ukraine will not survive 20-25 years with this status, because you did not tell us, and the status of a candidate for eu membership simply opens the way to the possibility of making a decision on negotiations that can

continue for years and years they can precisely because at this time it is necessary to carry out reforms regarding the accession to nato, the accession of the donor is possible only when the country, first of all, meets certain standards, i hope that ukraine will meet these standards, secondly, when the majority the population of ukraine wants the country to join by 2014. the majority of the population of ukraine was against joining nato. this number began to change only after 2014. go to a very decisive third. when ukraine is ready for reform, this applies not only to the military sphere, but also to the legal, political, economic, etc. etc. to ukraine, there are huge questions in this regard, we can say whatever we want that we protect the entire civilization, the entire western world from russia, but this does not mean that he is a corporation of a country that does not meet the criteria of the civilized world, does not destroy the western world from the inside, and the fact that this can

be so is shown by the example of turkey, which is currently blocking the entry of finland or sweden, and hungary, which is currently blocking the oil amber. i believe that the civilized world should not repeat this mistake, and on the other hand i really want ukraine to enter 1199, it is hoped that this will happen in my lifetime, that is, in the next decade, i want us, first, to vote for responsible professional authorities, secondly, not to live in illusions, and thirdly, that we were not against the implementation of such serious economic and political reforms, which could cause doubts, certainly already in the first period, on the standard of living without the rather poor population, which will become even poorer as a result of this war, and there are definitely russian factors. i am not going to drop him from e -e scales and to say that it is not there, it is there, and the western countries will also count with it, let's hope that at the time when ukraine

matures before joining the eu, this factor will not influence the decisions of our western partners. we just have hopes, we have a difficult fate, i will tell you right away that ukraine will not have a simple fate for the next ten years. and this is absolutely clear. how do you see the possibility of counteracting certain absurd and illegal decisions of our authorities in modern realities, because they have a negative impact on our support for the world of connecting channels, let's say there and etc., let's put medvedchuk on display, i think we need to talk about it we are there we invite you to sign a petition that should call on the authorities to abandon illegal actions regarding tv channels i think it should be talked about at the international level, i think that aid to ukraine , i mean military aid, should be provided exclusively in exchange for reforms in the conditions of compliance by the government with norms of behavior in a civilized time. i hope that it will be easier because already

now the money from the ukrainian state budget is running out, ukraine is already running out quite quickly will live at the expense of western aid. i really hope that the people who will help us will clearly say that they want to help a democratic state, and we have to say that democracy is the priority of law because the fight against authoritarian arbitrariness, the fight against populism, all this should be the task of ukrainian society if we want to survive at all. dear mr. vitaly . of our military, i sincerely thank you for your answer because i can't sleep peacefully with only one thought where are we going for now we are going to wait for the end of the war dear probably not natalya this war can end any way yes that i would not sleep peacefully in your place, first of all, thinking about what will happen to the ukrainian state itself as a result of this war, because even victory in this war, a complete victory, will leave us in

a deindustrialized state with a destroyed economy and a huge population that will never again will return to ukraine with such civilizational tasks that few states have failed to deal with, and of course such a state should have a professional and competent government, but this is a question for the voters, i remind you that dear madam, about whom you you say you got to the verkhovna rada of ukraine because that is what the voters decided. if the voters will make such decisions in the coming years, ukraine will not have a bright future even after winning the elections. it was always said that as a result of one or another decision of the ukrainian people, the collapse of the country is inevitable. if someone thought that we were joking , now it seems to me that no one here understands that we are not joking, and that these events that are happening seemed like the worst thing you remember is the famous phrase, our compatriots, it won't be worse yet, it won't be anymore. it could be worse than now if you fool around. it could be

worse than now, yes, ms. olena pakhomova . war i already told you, it seems to me when i spoke here that i do not have a forecast for the end of the war, i already said that there could be two options. the first option is that ukraine will not be able to liberate all its territories from russia will strengthen in the regions it occupies and will gather forces for further occupation, this will be one option for the end of the war and the second option for the end of the war, this is russia, the choice from all territories

, it will gather on the border with ukraine, it will accumulate forces for a new attack, this is also the second option for the end of the war, or i see peace. i do not see peace in the eyes of vladimir putin. i have never seen it. i have always been sure that vladimir putin has the political task of restoring the former historical russia. in his opinion, within the borders of the former soviet union is sure that he will fight for this goal until the end of his term as president of the russian federation, whenever it ends , real peace can happen from one point of view only if ukraine fully restores its territorial integrity and is accepted into nato then there will be no peace agreement with russia either, i assure you but russia will not simply attack us in order not to provoke a nuclear conflict in all other situations ukraine is an arena for military actions of the russian federation in the

coming years and everyone who lives on ukrainian territory should realize this, everyone really liked to compare ukraine with israel, i always said not to compare, but now it is possible now it is possible israel lived in a situation of danger for its own existence for about 20 years and certain problems with security is not so, not so global exist today, once and for all, everyone always says, well, with the stigmas, we endured it, we will endure it. i always reveal such a big secret to those who say this, that in israel jews live in general. but not all of them, but those who decided to live that way, who decided that they needed shelter as a national state, who decided that it was in israel that they could realize themselves, that the payment for a national state in the form of terrorist

danger, before constant wars, the death of children on the front of their own first of all, bomb shelters are a normal salary when it comes to the fate of the people, 6 million of whom died during the second world war in holocausts in various european countries, this is a shock , of course, after that you can fight and to suffer, but the majority of the jewish population of the world still did not decide that way. a huge jewish community lives in israel, but no less practically a jewish community lives in the united states of america. a large jewish community lives in european countries. there is nothing to talk about here. the friendship of the world war was squeezed out through anti-semitism and various repressions in poland, in the countries of the former soviet

union, such as russia or ukraine or belarus, there was almost no jewish population left there there were more or less normal conditions there, the jewish population remained and recovered and it does not live under bombs, it was suffering from terrorism somewhere . remember that what choice does she make for herself and for her children when i understand that this is the possibility of a new military conflict, i repeat again that ukraine will not become a member of the shelling is the death of children who will fight in the armed forces, this is the possibility of losing housing , business investments, real estate investments, the possibility of the collapse of the banking system as a result of one or another military attack, the possibility of starting life over every time . you are 70 or 60 or 80 years old and you do not have a

large property, all you have is an apartment in a high-rise building and pensions, how many people will be ready for such a life, i honestly do not know the prognosis i don’t have a war because there is no end to it . i won’t invent something to talk about fireworks , because we have only experienced difficult times ahead in the first stage. and by the way, i will tell you right away, even if this war ends in months, that you do not have much confidence in difficult years are very difficult, how to properly construct the country after the war and how many years will the reconstruction of ukraine last. well, here i just said that i think that from the point of view of the possibility of reconstruction, this is different. i hope that the reconstruction of ukraine will be take place in accordance with the implementation of real

economic and political reforms of ukraine. i believe that this is a very important moment for all of us, but for this we need to live until the end of the war. you understand . understand the level of security. you understand what territory will be controlled by the ukrainian state. what population will remain what population will return what population will leave again what will be the human potential what will be the economic potential what will be the level of connections ukraine with the civilized world with the european union, what will be the norms of behavior of the new ukrainian government in relation to the civilized world? so that all these components are not there, i can tell you a rainbow picture there . the transformation of ukraine into a hi-tech state in the xxi century, but we don't even know will there be a population here capable of making high-tech states, programs, we will get a day here implemented an agricultural state of elderly people, this is also absolutely possible, unfortunately, if our gross national product ends

will decrease by half in the next year, then you and i perfectly understand how difficult it will be to rebuild this state, where he is here, civilization has almost already taken place, and the third question is how to defeat the orcs about their invasions, well, first of all, i urge you not to call the russians who attack us orcs and so on we were attacked by the russian federation, these are not fairy-tale characters, these are citizens of the russian federation of various ethnic origins, united by the idea of ​​restoring the historical territory of russia from the point of view of the mythology of volodymyr putin's madness, marina, which divides the majority of the citizens of the russian federation, it is not the orcs, it is our neighbors who will remain our neighbors forever. this can only be won in one way, as i said, by restoring the territorial value of ukrainians, the integrity of ukraine, but it is very

difficult . in nature, because the russians are somehow sure that they have occupied russian territory, they will gather forces and attack us again and again until they win back the territory of historical russia, believe me if it would be a different nation, then russia would not have the far east, siberia, central asia in the empire, then the ukrainians would own these territories, the russians would own the territory of ukraine, finally understand the national consciousness of an imperial nation that is ready to suffer for the sake of the territory, this is not modern, this is archaic, what can we do with it give it millions of marks, but it is the forces of the imperial offensive, and we need to defeat these forces with the solidarity of the civilized world, with a strong army, with the accession to nato, with the readiness to live in a poor but

militarized country, we should spend crazy money on the military budget, forget the phrase we could of course double the army, but for this we don't have to, we couldn't rebuild roads, less roads, more military budget, more tanks, rockets, and when this influx from it disappears, then there will be more roads more social benefits, more than that. and for now, a poor state with a strong army, a poor state, a strong army, and those who do not want to live in a poor state, seminaries in israel, do not return here, do not live in these countries, we do not have what to do here? well, it is not clear here or how it needs to be explained, but i believe that this will lead to success and that we will live in a rich country with a strong army in nato. after putin's

regime, russia will abandon its aggressive nature. there will be propaganda in us, trying to conquer and not with tanks, rockets, etc. and we will overcome propaganda in russian. i am here ready to fight and i am sure that ukrainians will always consider themselves ukrainians, even in the face of any danger to their future. i sincerely thank you for that listen to me, remind me that you and i must fight for the restoration of legality in the case of ukrainian television channels that are completely illegally and arbitrarily excluded from digital broadcasting, sign the petition accordingly, remind the authorities about this, do not allow the creation of a new russia from ukraine, because then there will be no ukraine. thank you, friends, and i urge you provide new questions, be with us always in our informational struggle, good luck

, see you on february 24, the date that changed us, the date that changed the world and now. what interests us most our victory is when we defeat the enemy, so predict the course of the war, the saturday political club program returns to the espresso airwaves to help understand the events and predict the consequences that on saturdays vitaly portnikov and maria gurska will discuss the most relevant to draw appropriate conclusions, you want to know how what is happening today will affect our tomorrow watch subotnik that saturdays nespresso unconquered cities of ukraine zaporizhzhia is the city of strict metallurgists, famous engine builders and a powerful hydroelectric power station on the dnieper. and this

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