it is a peaceful life as they see it, people will simply be forced to look for a place where they can survive and given that they will most likely open only one corridor in which it will be possible to find it, it will be the russian federation and people will leave the city en masse and again to settle there in these economically depressed regions of russia in the far east and still something else, that is, for example, certification, so i wanted to ask about education there, they continued with you. well, not with you. and in occupied mariupol, during the academic year until on september 1 and there by 9 to 10 schools, 9 or 10 are planning to open for what purpose it is being done there that they will study the russian language at an increased pace until september or what exactly is it for? yes, this is sofia, adaptation to russian, let's say, the educational program is the biggest problem because er, if russian was there and probably still remains

the main language of everyday communication, communication within the family, but as for education, we had almost no russian-language education in mariupol, even before the war, mathematics was relied upon ukrainian for the most part, well, the history of ukraine, of course, is the ukrainian language, ukrainian literature and, in principle, ukrainian ukrainian-language education, it was really dominant, and the occupiers were constrained by the fact that our children we simply do not understand russian narratives, i don’t know this yes, what are they carrying there along with propaganda, but they they don't even understand mathematics, these terms they use are in russian, that's why it's actually a part of such an adaptation of the washing out of ukrainian from mariupol, adaptation, well, that's part of it too denusification, how is it? thank you, petro andrushchenko, adviser to the mayor of mariupol, about the situation in the occupied, effectively blocked

city, further on, and about mariupol, too, but let's talk with alyona lunyova, she is the director of advocacy at the human rights center, change, this center is called alyona congratulations, congratulations the general prosecutor's office has opened two cases regarding the deportation of adults and children from mariupol to russians. we just talked about this. according to the prosecutor general irina venediktova, crimes in mariupol are possible to qualify as genocide er as what is happening now in mariupol in the language of law this is how they are qualified in- in this in- in the de jure world we can talk about the commission of at least war crimes and the documentation belonging to the qualification it will certainly be possible to talk about other types of crimes in that including crimes against humanity and the crime that mrs. venediktova spoke about is a

crime of genocide because actually we are now seeing many manifestations of all the possible qualifications that appear in the roman state, we are talking about indiscriminate shelling, we are talking about forced deportation, extrajudicial executions, we talk about a lot of different aspects, but what is important here is what the prosecutor general's office is doing in order to carefully document. i hope that everything is possible, so that in the future it will be possible to bring the perpetrators to national and international responsibility. well, for your information, how exactly crimes are being recorded right now, and is it only the prosecutor general's office that deals with this, is it possible to have such a case center or funds, international funds, we know that the french have come to us, it seems the investigators yes. well, who is currently recording all this? is there some kind of hub, a centralized database so that it is not dispersed, that each one is separate? i don’t know if there is

any database where all this happens, but the prosecutor general’s office conducts such investigative actions and documents them. in fact, they even have them for a long time. launched a website e-e that is designed to collect information about those violations that occur during the armed aggression of the russian federation, what you say is that international investigators from foreign countries come to us as investigators. this also happens in the mind of the prosecutor's office. this is what we call jeep, a joint group of investigators who are also involved in the recording and investigation of future crimes that were committed in the context of armed conflict by the russian army, as well as public organizations, human rights centers, they are engaged in documenting more from open sources or from the testimonies of those people who are victims or those people who are witnesses of war crimes that are taking place now, of course, it is very difficult to record all this because people are leaving, they are being deported, someone is leaving trying to

save themselves, they must be searched for and collected testimony, it is obvious that it is very difficult to collect the testimony of persons who ended up in the territory of the russian federation or left the territory of third countries of safe european countries, but all this must happen without fail in order to ensure a reliable investigation, but it is also really worth saying that it is very difficult, because there is no access to the actual places where all this is happening because mariupol is blocked and occupied by the russian army and let's hope that all can at least still be collected from open sources and from testimonies will be collected a-a mrs. alyona please tell me what burials are being found now are people who simply died under the rubble, well, maybe not even all of them there had some kind of injury , but they were simply stuck there, blocked by them this crime, how can it

be called, well, people suffered from indiscriminate shelling and from shelling of civilian infrastructure, the fact that as a result of this, hundreds, possibly thousands, of mariupol residents died, and certainly such that would allow this crime to be qualified as crimes against humanity, because this is actually a large-scale practice used by the russian military, such a practice of scorched earth, when if a city is a populated place, if it resists, it is simply erased from the face of the earth, and all possible infrastructural civilian objects are simply destroyed in it. this is exactly what happened in mariupol. in the east, we see this practice as broad and as systematic as the approach demonstrated by the russian army on the territory of ukraine. what does your human rights center do? your work, the organization represented by the human rights center zamani deals with a wide range of issues and before the start of large-scale aggression,

we dealt with issues related to the protection of the rights of the victims of the armed aggression of the russian federation, these were the protection of internally displaced persons from those who remained in the occupied territories and went missing. we also dealt with issues of combating discrimination, i.e. a fairly wide range of human rights issues at the end of february 24, the greatest focus of our activity concerns e consequences of the large-scale armed aggression of the russian federation and, together with other colleagues , from the very beginning, almost from the first days of the large-scale aggression, we launched the initiative ukraine at five in the morning, which is such a coalition , which now includes more than 27 27, in fact , partner organizations and individual experts and we, together with our colleagues, are engaged in the documentation of war crimes committed in the context of weapons of conflict, we are engaged in the legal qualification of these acts, acts, e.e. advocacy at the national level

at the international level, issues related to bringing to justice the senior military leadership of the russian federation and ordinary perpetrators of war crimes, and we are also talking about such information companies, clarification of what war crimes are, what responsibility can be for culpable crimes in general, what concerns, in principle, responsibility for the commission of war crimes on the territory of ukraine thank you mrs. alyona alyona lunyova director of the human rights center delegation change further about education we have already touched on this topic a little in mariupol liliya hrynevych is with us the vice-rector of the borys grinchenko kyiv university and ex-minister of education and science of ukraine liliya we greet you good day greetings to everyone in mariupol let's start with other occupied territories the school year e-e is ending in some territories of ukraine, unfortunately , already under russian occupation, which on your the opinion will be the fate of those children and their certificates and their

diplomas who studied in schools and universities who now unexpectedly found themselves in the occupied territories of donetsk zaporizhzhia, kherson and i am asking the luhansk oblasts. children will actually be able to get their education documents, because we have had an electronic education database for a long time. the occupiers, the invaders , are trying to consider the school as a place of such ideological bombing, and already in the occupied territories they are trying to force teachers to improve their qualifications, even to extend the school year in order to teach children as well.

of course, to teach in the russian ideological framework , therefore the occupiers well understand that education is a way to form an identity, and of course in the occupied territories there is a huge threat to the education system itself. just good , always blamed the fact that i myself lead and provide from people, i do not give the opportunity to ask questions , let's talk about our all-ukrainian last call , then we'll talk, it took place online on social networks, the academic year 20-22 has ended ended in schools in different periods from may 27 to june 12. well, the national multi- subject test will take place in july and will last 10 days. schoolchildren receive certificates earlier instead of the traditional entrance examinations of the external examination. in the 22nd year, it

is planned to introduce personal tests how do you evaluate the work of the ministry of education and science regarding the latest calls regarding the issuance of certificates and regarding the admission campaign this year, what are the problems. for you to do otherwise, please, first of all of course, this school year is different from all the rest and we can of course criticize this national multi-subject test and the fact that some of our children who are abroad, and there are almost 700,000 children there, did not begin normal education at all, some of them did not socialize because not all countries have been able to organize normal education for our children in cooperation with the ukrainian authorities, but the times are difficult and there are corresponding challenges , and now we have to think about the fact that children still

were able, if they wish to return to ukraine and , er, to enter ukrainian universities, pass this national multi-subject test, so this national multi-subject test, for example, for children who are abroad, will agree to the relevant points and this list of these points is precisely agreed by the ministry of education with other countries of course, questions about, for example, enrollment in higher educational institutions, for example , the children were all in different conditions and children who are especially affected areas that were located, for example under the bombings, they did not have the opportunity to study , unfortunately, with this admission formula, they have practically no support, that is, the admission formula does not foresee any coefficients for them, but again, these are nuances now. it is important that all children,

regardless of where they are in the occupied territories on the territory of ukraine under the control of ukraine in western ukraine, where now there are most of our ukrainian children, and the education system also has a certain e-e burden and overload with the organization of education and those who are abroad so that all of them can to register and pass this national multi-subject test, please start this multi-test - it is an alternative to the external examination for which classes for everyone. my child is in the fourth grade and graduation is also coming to an end. when we talk about the national multi-subject test, it is exclusively for graduates who want to enter ukrainian higher educational institutions, that is, only graduates. by

the way, on the website of the ukrainian assessment center quality of education, i have all the information, i encourage the viewers who are related to the graduates to remind that now is the time to complete this registration, the determination of the testing point for participation in the national multi-subject test. that is, it will be real, we have already gotten used to it , but it will be computer-based the child must be present in person physically at the computer and solve this test, it will be performed, please, in the premises of the testing points that will be determined . and then why couldn't the external examination be taken in the same way the external examination involves several subjects and this means that it would be necessary to come to the children several times, and here

is such a replacement so that there is still some transparent tool with which it is possible to compare the educational achievements of children, er, this multi-subject test where the child enters alone was recognized times e-e for testing, but at the same time it is the ukrainian language, the history of ukraine and mathematics , there may be complaints, of course, about the validity of this measurement, but it is better than the complete absence of any e-e testing ms. liliya what are your predictions about graduates, what percentage and how much will it increase, who will want to enter foreign higher educational institutions of our children, and i think that the ukrainian education system will usually lose its applicants and students because, first of all, very many students , even those who are already students, have moved to study in foreign higher educational institutions. this is the

first. the second is those children who are in the territory of other countries. educational institutions, and here it seems to me that we should have a policy of returning ukrainian children and students to ukraine to study, because it is important for us not to lose this young generation, and it seems to me that the ministry of education and science should work more with by the governments of other countries, as well as to encourage partner universities to create joint programs with ukrainian universities e.e. to create joint curricula so that when children study in schools abroad, they have a mandatory ukrainian studies component there so that we do not lost these children who will not return to

the education system of ukraine. look at us, according to different estimates, from 1.5 to 2 million children went abroad, well, they became refugees if you take 10 classes there. well, if we are a tenth of the graduates, then it is somewhere up to 200,000 people, how to physically put 200,000 people behind computers outside the country so that they come and pass this multimedia test who will do this in general, who will finance it and where will it physically take place eh no, there are fewer of them now eh for such approximate estimates about what the local self-government bodies report is that there are approximately 700,000 schoolchildren abroad, i.e. children who study in school of school age. it is clear that among them there are also graduates and now it is happening in such a way that the ministry of

those countries in which our children are located clearly determine the city in which they will be such a testing center is organized for most of our children, of course, in poland and, for example, in poland approximately five such testing centers should be opened in five cities in poland, and it is clear that part of the graduates after how they will register. they have to choose the city closest to them and then go to that city if they don't live in this place, yes, there will be certain complications, but in principle, if the child is motivated to enter a ukrainian higher education institution, he will have the opportunity to do this and for the next academic year, what do you have to ask about ukrainian schools? as you said , 700,000 schoolchildren in our country, e.e., are studying

e.e. remotely would like to teach for free, would you correct me now, is there an opportunity next year for ukrainian children who study in different schools of different forms of ownership to switch to the state public online school. what would be the free education for these people, please? i think you are actually right . the ministry of education should work harder. over the programs of this kind of training, because distance learning is when the child is included in the entire schedule of lessons. and it should be taken into account that part of the schools will also work face-to-face, we are all on we hope this is also very important for ukrainian children, because they will be studying remotely for the third year in a row, we had two more

years of training before that, related to covid, which was also remotely, this leads to large gaps in children's knowledge and also hinders their success socialization, therefore, of course, we all strive that from september 1, in ukrainian schools, in those territories where it is possible, face-to-face education can begin, and this means that schools will have to work remotely with their students who are a certain format should be developed across the border and in the classroom, which will allow children who are abroad to participate in ukrainian schools, but at the same time have the opportunity to socialize in the country in which they are, to learn the language, and to study some other educational courses. and that's it bota, which should be conducted by the ministry of education and science together with the governments and ministries of those countries where the

largest number of our children are located, a single online public school for emigrants, children who have gone abroad for free and does not exist i understand correctly, there is an international ukrainian school, this international school is an international ukrainian school , rather, it works as an external school that evaluates the achievements of children. there is also an online ukrainian school, and at this all-ukrainian online school, a child can receive knowledge, but receive grades if the certification of what he has already learned. has through the international ukrainian school or through the school to which she er-er hm communion of students thank you p liliya well obviously in this topic we will figure it out and somehow try er-er to have the opportunity to study in

under the conditions that will be, we hope that in september we will be able to go to school, our children liliya hrynevych e explained all these points in the projector of kyiv university named after borys grinchenko we will remind the ex-minister of education of ukraine more about e-e about books writing tamara nuta zernya is already with us a writer and volunteer. yesterday in warsaw , a book fair was opened. the fair is now for us. tamara, a nut, will tell us. how do we greet you, tamara? yes. good day, i got confused. the fair is correct in ukrainian. yes, masculine. uh, there in our zabuzhko they have already been awarded there, i am reading your document, they are buying there, you are signing and please tell me how the fair in warsaw is going, do you know if i can, i would like to show you now near the ukrainian stand look, oh, so far we can’t

see that there is a boring little house for a minute, i really want you to look at it. this is our ukrainian president, you see how many people there are, what is going on here, it's great, what are people coming, what they say is not suitable during the time, there is a huge excitement, there is a lot of interest in the ukrainian book, we have a lot there are ukrainians and a lot of poles and they come from other stands from other countries to express their solidarity and support, in fact we have a holiday of ukrainian books in warsaw, we are very sorry these days there should be a book fair of arsenal in kyiv and we with everyone we talk to we agree and we hope that next year it will be and then we will invite from poland people from europe from all the countries that currently support us and sinuses and we will make books for ourselves already at home after our victory that people say that they ask what is in demand

your story is a book that was written earlier, so that it is about the war of the 14th, about that war , which began in the 14th year, so the story of the war is now in demand. if only with the new wave, we understand what people say when they come to our stand . my book has just been published in polish right now, well, they have been selling it in poland for literally a month. yesterday we had a presentation. people with great interest come up, buy it, are interested, ask questions, and everyone repeats, everyone says that we feel here, that we can be the first next, and that is why we help ukraine so much. and secondly, there is a feeling of regret about the fact that little has been intervened and little has been done to fight this enemy since the 14th year. they say that we have heard about donbas, but we did not know how much there is, everything is so much it happens, they say, after reading your book, we understand that we should

have already beaten the nabat and that we should have intervened then. people like me have such an effect on reading ah-what was oksana zabuzhko awarded with? let's all congratulate her and tell me something. what kind of award is this? i not yet i didn't manage to see her, we are here, there is such destruction, you understand, we are literally being torn to pieces, we just had a big event, a big presentation dedicated to the book market in ukraine , that is, the situation on the book market in ukraine, our people spoke, especially when people from kharkiv from the kharkiv publishing house told e- there were tears in my eyes. what's on the stage? what's in the hall and we're a little tense right now? oksana stepanivna . i'm sorry.

no they are some other holomuzs and the man is very similar to the ukrainian prime minister and a well-known european politician. here i cut the tape, we see this video. please tell me which other writers, writers, these writers were represented because i have many surnames here. and what exactly what exactly for literature or presented. that is , it is mostly children's books or poetry. is it fiction ? three months ago, perhaps some literature began, and about this historical period of time appeared, i ask for your word » uh, we are all gathered at his stand, the stands of a rather large country. and i would say that there is a very good and large representation of

the very modern literature of books about war, that is, here there is uh. practically all the novelties of the last two years are at least present here, here there are big ones, big ones are presented. central position for military prose of literature about war. they ask for stus there, they ask for zabudko there, they ask for the desired one, and then with them. all the employees who work here talk, try to attract, explain and offer and tell about books about the war . we have children's literature on the stand. but mostly here, modern ukrainian prose by modern authors yes , i don't know the statistics yet, i haven't looked, but more than 50 authors are presented, absolutely absolutely. i think up to a hundred. the organizers of the forum told us yesterday

that according to their calculations , about 10,000 people came through the ukrainian stand yesterday, which is a record. an indicator for this forum and in general for for we will see what the result will be at the end of the fourth age of the forum, but so far we have really record indicators here that the most popular is some book that leads the way in terms of requests, so well, children's literature in itself is taken with interest with their about the war, they are interested in modern ones and they are interested in untranslated authors, that is, the original ukrainian pillars, because the modern war is about the current situation . the classics and everything else have faded a little into the background , ah, poland, warsaw wants to know and hear about what is happening and what ukraine is living right now, a

few more names of the authors, you haven't named them yet, let's introduce the system. let me show you, if you don't mind. now one for a minute we come to our stand we see beautiful so here we have zhadan andruhovych playing archaean song pavlo matyusha on sebastyuk e-e fractionated seventh this is e-e modern novelty novelty next we have a stand with children's literature quite large for different ages different a-a little alphabets here is the central e fable of the type of squirrel and our format is actually the central stand here we have literature about the war here is it menu nagorna markind brestant given

in place tereshchenko olena kudrenko here we have urine balabov why did the music stick here we have call sign banderas so on eh here is my daughter there eh that we have congo donbas - this is a news story about heavy helicopters, that is. as you can see, we are going back, we are passing a little again, what will be children's literature and so on. here we have a beautiful stand going, what can you see chernobyl here we have zabuzhko. well, it is well presented, yes , and again, i am shepilsky here, and i will not go there again. continued.