it's like the russians are destroying the sights there and, well, ukrainian culture in general. instead, he chose to protect the russian culture, well, not very beautifully, of course, to put it mildly, but this position has been with him for a long time, but in march, he gave an interview by e- to the french media radio france international in russian, let's listen » categorically against what is happening condemns this war and reskuvye очем то е-е сейчас already probably своей жизнью натасс та-а и обекотировать их это просто предрат их натвенце they are in the same position as all of us are victims of aggression, and the thesis that the boycott of russian culture is barbarism and that

russians are also victims is promoted by many russians who are popular in the ukrainian audience and often give comments to various ukrainian media with viktor shenderovych in particular, he supported iloznitsa and ah in and serebrennikov, by the way, if we now look at this post of his on facebook, they very often these good russians are liberals, they even sign their posts on facebook. this message was created and distributed by a foreign mass media, that is, they even sign themselves on facebook and mark themselves as foreign agents, and of course, very brave actions , he wrote in his post what well, for example , he is already fed up with people who are ukrainians who pass by him in the comments of something they are demanding there . of course, he says that he respects all the sufferings and

feats of the ukrainian people. but he says that all the same, these theses of a sample of russian culture somehow bore him and he claims that i it seems that the ukrainian people should be grateful to me. i did a lot of work for the benefit of ukraine, ah, and he thinks that people who, well, from his point of view, are too aggressive, yes, ukrainians, why would it make us feel that way, they say that they are harming ukraine itself because hmmm, you can't act aggressively at all, and he is also critical of the thesis that it is not the time to criticize ukraine. moreover, he says to the russians that no, he will continue to criticize ukraine, because he is on the side of justice and against nazism of the unsurpassed this person continues to speak on ukrainian media and i will repeat myself and collects a lot

of views of ukrainians still, well, they really like to look at some russian experts and trust them in relation to boris okunin, too, the story of writing, he is a russian writer and he lives in london and also has a certain influence there, not only on the russian audience. here he communicates there with various publishers and so on. he also actively promotes the thesis that it is not possible to boycott not only russian culture, but also ordinary russians. because they say that they are also victims and that it is only putin's fault and his closest entourage, people who, of course, somehow cooperate with the russian authorities, people who are silent are also morally somehow because eh well , eh, hmmm, morally not very clean people but everyone who opposes them are all good and they should be supported, not on the contrary humiliated. i want to say that there is a whole list of truly russian

artists that almost no one talks about, these are people who are currently in prisons, in pre -trial detention centers or in general, well, it is not really expressed anywhere because in they don't have the physical ability to do that, they are killed , that's why, you know, i know a fairly popular phrase about the fact that , of course, they are good russians, but they sit in all kinds of prisons, and it's quite strange to look at people who leave russia absolutely freely and work for various foreign audiences also say that they are in some kind of danger, well, i want to say one more thing, but in different countries, of course, there are different and local experts . at the call of the soul or for money, i don’t know, there are also some theses of the promotion of the russian federation, there is a very funny

video of a quarrel between two italian music critics, they quarreled over the conductor gerdiev, who is georgiev, who was not allowed to enter italy ? what is this, let's finally listen to what the director of the orchestra said when a russian singer can't come to italy, it's a form of fascism, if a conductor can't come only because he's russian, it's one of western forms of fascism are unacceptable, tennis player , athlete, conductor, ballerina, dancer, they are not putin, these are people who have dignity and love for art, if you really love art, you do not punish music, well, the support of the audience, of course, if you look a little bit, italian mass media, italian television, in principle, the story is somewhere less expressive, of course, but

it goes somewhere in approximately the same direction well, of course , we also have people who support us and speak for us and against all these theses of course this is a book by holland the polish director is one of the most famous and wonderful . she created, in particular, the house of cards tv series, and here she is, first of all, the president of the european film academy, and not just a popular director , she is an authoritative director, she said at cannes that if it depended on her, she would certainly not have entered the competition program at all russian films by the way, my colleagues said that hmm, this year there was a ban on the application of accreditation of russian journalists at the cannes film festival, but they still leaked somewhere, it was ours the ukrainians were very indignant because you know it's such insolence, they don't let you in there anyway, and mrs. jaknezhka in particular said that

, unfortunately, her bad feelings were confirmed eh well, these eh are really the activation of these good russians who hmm they are promoting certain theses that protect the russians, even the oligarchs and part of the russian government, and she said that, well , russian culture and classics need to be revised now, because she gave these consequences of russian imperialist aggression so now it became obvious. well, if you look at the people who support us abroad, celebrities are very often public . well, they support us not with words, for example , with clothes. at the american film festival, there were many yellow and blue dresses. sharon stone was also wearing dresses, of course, it's always nice . it's er always er differ these photos the red carpet is one of the most important such moments of any

film festival and that's why when people see just a visual picture constantly there yellow and blue, some kind of dresses or some accessories , of course, it helps us a lot, but still , first of all, we have to hmm, somehow promote our theses, because in order not to be subjective, so because um, well, that would be very good that we are supported abroad by some of the world's celebrities, but we should certainly be the first to be interested in our own protection. well, of course, the words of some really bold statements from celebrities are also quite important, but in particular, well, most often we see such a visual manifestation of support, i would like something more a-a actually speaking, now we will talk much more deeply about this topic with a person who investigates the situation not only of course a-a as

regards the promotion of the test about e-e so that there is no need to bully russian culture and in general e-e investigates information politics this is yevhen felchenko, the director of the mogilian school of journalism and co-founder of the stopfake project, mr. yevhen. i congratulate you. good day, mr. yevhen. well, the first thing i wanted to ask you is when we move on to some external situation about our internal because according to my observations, at least, i may be wrong, but the russian experts are what we call good russians in the ukrainian media in various they still have weight, they are colleagues are still very happy when they can agree on an interview there with the coppers bykov or with the same shenderov and uh, i’m watching now, television ratings are not measured, but before the full-scale invasion, these experts were quite popular, and they gave a higher rating on television than ukrainian experts, well, relatively speaking, again, dmitriy

abikova was better watched than oksana zabuzhko and now the situation continues on youtube, there are a lot of views, can you explain this situation, why do ukrainians still love these good russians? well, actually, from the first day of the invasion, i said something like this that this war is going on two fronts, uh, and these both fronts, one of them is informational, it is just as important as the things that are happening in our country in the military plane. well, we cannot win one part of this war and ignore the other, and one of the ways to win this particular one the information war is absolutely necessary to cut off access to everything russian, and by the way, ukraine was able to refuse russian tv channels, some russian sites and russian social networks, and this

created a very powerful support for us now there was no catastrophe with russian informational influences during this war, but we cannot stop there, we must go further and understand that everything that is in the russian information field carries an ideological load, it somehow participates in information war against us. regardless of whether we are dealing with good russians or bad russians or very bad russians, this is of no fundamental importance for ukraine, because when we hear about good russians , it is all measured according to of the russian spectrum of politics, where there are very bad russians, then there is putin, and then there are some people who left somewhere and position themselves as such antipathies for ukraine, this is absolutely irrelevant, the nuances have absolutely no meaning.

i remember how in the first days and maybe even weeks after february 24, we tried, well, all of us, not only those who are engaged in information warfare, tried to get into this russian information bubble, to reach out, because we thought that there was a problem , because maybe not all russians understand that is happening, and that is why they cannot resist, stop the war, what is the way, and so on. and then it became obvious to all of us that this is not the case, the russians are not going to resist in this war, moreover, it became clear how much they are take an active part in supporting these actions, and then we began to receive additional testimonies, and the next day it became clear that it was very naive on our part to understand. well, we always understood that this was not the case, but a lot of people in ukraine thought that this was a war putin or the war of the

russian government there against ukraine, but the russians, if they are on the sidelines, they are outside of this end, they certainly do not support all of this and as soon as the slightest opportunity appears when they are explained to them how much this war is an unjust aggressor, a genocide, who is doing this on behalf of the russian people. they will immediately go out into the streets and overthrow putin. of course, this is not so, because russians are products of their culture , and any russian, and they are products, absolutely so many people already think so. but nevertheless, returning to my question, i still continue to observe this large number of these good russians who are still considered good russians despite everything you said and as if it should be clear and they continue to be authorities for a large number of ukrainians, why why is this so? well, because it is, again, we

are dealing not only with today's events, it is the result of some previous historical processes . relations with this culture, they do not see themselves outside this context, they see greatness in the fact that they invite these people, but in fact these people play an absolutely anti-ukrainian role, it is also necessary to understand that this is not just some kind of naive flirtation with our colonial past. and these are those people. now i see you are showing the fescue. it will play an absolutely specific role in this war against ukraine, because for many people in the west, it creates a similar alternative to an alternative russia that is abroad what they say is that there is a bad putin, and as soon as we deal with him, another one will immediately appear, and we

can see that there is already harry kasparov, there is sobchak, there is the whole never, these are the people who are the real russia. that is the myth with which we you have to fight again because he cuts off support from us, he puts us in confrontation uh-uh, again the west has to choose between russia uh-uh or between ukraine so, again, we have to understand that there are not so many people in the west who are so in in the ukrainian context, that they will always support us in the west. i am very different people in the west, there are many russophiles who are also under the charm of russian culture, music, literature, ballet, about which they talk a lot, but they share absolutely the same that this is a great russian nation and culture, and that putin is a criminal, so maybe he is doing something wrong there, but that means nothing, russia has nothing to do with it, and from an environmental point of view, when

we invite such people to our air, we play along with this position we we really say that we distinguish between the criminal putin and then there is the good beautiful russia, as soon as positive conditions are created for it, it will immediately be able to show itself in everything there to be positive to the world. yes, but we must understand that there is a certain geopolitical vision for russia because in the west, there are many people who are really afraid of russia's money because they will not know in which world they will end up. there are many people who have always chosen between russia and ukraine in favor of russia. since i represent the academy, there are many people in western academic circles. who built their entire careers on the fact that they researched russia, studied russia and promoted russia. and a lot of russian money was invested in order to support it. by the way, this money is not going anywhere, that is, these people they are also not going anywhere, there are whole segments of the western art of the western academy that cannot

do without russian money and that is why they are just now trying to distance themselves somewhat from putin, but they are not distancing themselves from russia because it simply deprives them of the meaning of existence and we must make this very clear to understand for yourself, yevgeny, but i just wanted to ask how in your opinion to resist this, of course, let's not immediately take into account these people who are financed there and depend on russia, because dependence and dependence are already there you won't help with any theses, but it is applied to people who are russophiles, there are many such people in france, many of them admire dostoyevsky, chekhov, everything there is not understood, the mysterious soul of russia at least one thing, if we already understood it absolutely yes and no no no not in a better age it's mysterious, but in the end, from your point of view, what can we contrast with all these theses? when we are told that's the way it is, you want to boycott

russian culture, why do they say pushkin, that's completely different. it's putin, what do they say? it's very good. question, and there is no quick answer to it, because it is russophilism and a political and cultural thing that has been developing for very long years, for centuries, and russia has invested its efforts in maintaining and developing this sophistry, and therefore we cannot get rid of it very quickly will be able to do what we can do we can change the direction of these conversations but for this we need to participate in these conversations so that these conversations do not happen without us we must be present everywhere we must convince that ukraine has subjectivity not only because it is now necessary to talk about it, because it is a victim, but because it simply has subjectivity and it is not some dependent variable from russia, we

need to explain these things and build our nara- we need to use all the available tools of the so-called soft powering of what power in order for us to project our power to the world and show our power, and ukraine is a power today and we prove it in absolutely all areas and we need this idea in every way advancing is not only a military power, we are a cultural power, and from a historical point of view we understand that the truth is on our side. but we should not relax and assume that the whole world also immediately began to believe, i.e. that this fascination with the ukrainian victories of the first weeks is happening now. is leaving and already on the back burner the euphoria is over and today we already hear the question and when ukraine is going to make concessions in order to end it, you understand that ukraine is to blame for the fact that this war continues because you don't want to simply give away part of the territory

or sovereignty there, or to stop it, why should people suffer because of ukraine? these questions will already be very specific, and here we will need to be even more actively involved in this, i call it the second stage of the information war, because now it is happening under completely different conditions, now russia is starting to become more active again , all the pro-russian, russophyte voices that were silent at first are now raising their heads again, becoming active, and they are sowing doubts in this is the power of russian propaganda and disinfection in that it sows doubts and tries to shift responsibility from russia to ukraine, if we remember the last episode where the moderator asked dmytro a-ah kuleby why should everyone suffer because of ukraine and dmytro and he answered that only political perverts can now blame ukraine for the fact that this is happening,

but we must be prepared for the fact that these voices will become more and more, and here we again return to the role of good russians, about whom we already mentioned, they will strengthen these voices, and they have really become more active now, they are holding meetings, they are proactively creating their organizations abroad, that is, in fact, there are no more of them left. in russia itself, all their activities have now been transferred to european countries, and that is where ukraine is still little is present, but i am very active. now i will say that, for example, half of ukrainian male experts cannot go abroad and participate in some events, while russians can , they are already there, they have created a huge number of media organizations in various jellyfish novaya newspapers they receive nobel prizes oatmeal when she received the prize from eh from eh at the forum in oslo and these are all those symbolic things they are actively building

a symbolic captain, and ukraine is not able to build this symbolic capital because we are not we understand the value of this, we understand the value of javelins, we understand the value of our hard power , this is really very important, because it is decisive. reputation will be very actively welcomed in the west, because again, there is a part of the people there. they really want russia not to lose, because it is like believing in a fairy tale for someone who must always be bad and russian. that it is a good thing, it just needs to be pushed into it, now they are beginning to invest very actively uh, financial uh, resources through governmental, non-governmental, various funds to support

all this, and today we see how russian civil society has moved from of russia itself to the countries of europe and is actively growing this whole infrastructure there, again, this is an organization, it is academic circles, cultural circles, and we are already hearing stronger voices in the cultural sphere and in the academic sphere, not to mention the political sphere, where there are a lot of people who do not they simply do it out of a sense of innate sophistry, but they also do it because they are part of this russian system, well, again, russia actively invested funds. so we need to start investing in this resource. so, just like for example during the second world war, when the war had not yet ended, the americans were already thinking about who they would work with, for example, in germany, who would be the people who would create a new germany, they created and found people who,

for example, were looking for works of art in germany when the war that is not finished at all, that is, they were thinking about and what will be our next steps and after this war is over, we now need to start thinking about the next steps and what will we do to position ourselves when the war will end, but for that we still need to finish it, receive resource support, you and i have three minutes left, i would like to ask you when, who do you see as the brightest speakers from ukraine, because we see an example of stephen king there, who, from my point of view, speaks very correctly regarding russian culture because he wrote a lot of books about this evil, we see the same book holland, but from the ukrainian side of the ukrainians, who do you see as the most powerful people in all spheres who are engaged in the promotion of our point of view on foreign countries, the question is absolutely rightly raised here that the

promotion of ukraine should be done primarily by ukraine itself, and i will not name any names right now - i will say only one thing that in ukraine today there are a huge number of such people who can represent ukraine in any field in any language, speak in the terms that they want to hear in this or that country, but we need to make an appropriate decision that we are doing this, and because now we have such a feeling that we seem to have won the information war, we can stop, sit down, relax, and simply get the result. we will all a priori support. therefore, we need to mobilize such people and explain what our strategic concept is, what we want to achieve and use these people as speakers, as our ambassadors who everywhere in the world will present our position and provide one more thing to happen, which is happening now, is that ukraine disappears from the radar of the world, so we need a lot of e-content

many narratives about ukraine and actively promoting them, mr. yevgeny, thank you very much for explaining everything to us and in principle we finished optimistically. it seems to me that we have many people who speak different languages ​​and understand that we must think pragmatically and how to act in one way or another country, because every country needs its own approach to find, thank you very much, we had yevhen felchenko on the air, and the director of the mogilian school of journalism and also the co-founder of the stacks project, we talked about the activation of good russians how are they act on foreign audiences in different countries and how we must fight them because the problem is really big enough. i want to support the point of view that we often and still take this informational and cultural front lightly and believe that the only front can be a military one of course, he is the most important and we love and

support our military in every possible way, but we see what is happening in the sense of propagandizing some kind of information policy, to what extent russia threw all its forces into involving some people like completely different people who will travel to some foreign countries and promote these, first of all, a few theses about the fact that only putin is to blame, all other russians are victims, there is no need to boycott russian culture and in general you need to look for these good russians because, you know, you always want to look for something good even in something bad, but the problem with russia is of course that they still haven't condemned their past, they still haven't reviewed their literature, which in many ways is imperially unacceptable for the present times, so of course they have to start precisely because of this and not because they complain about how poor and unhappy they are and you are the same as the ukrainians, they

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