and in fact he will proceed further to the reorganization of the new part of his program and the new phases of the war and the return to the zone of the russian empire and all countries in eastern europe . and i see the dangers that no one else sees . i think that these dangers are the most important for nato, andrey europe, the three united states, and i think that people who believe that this conflict can be frozen within the borders of ukraine, yes, and done he is such a quiet afghan the option when the whole world of russia will fight in ukraine and there will be disgrace, they are ukrainians, the americans will only supply weapons. i

don't think that this option is possible. well, it is possible. let's close our eyes and imagine that this is exactly what will happen, of course , according to such logic it is possible not to enter into this war a-a and observe there nekhy nekhyuy a-a you certain level will settle according to a certain and certain level of aid to ukraine yes we see one weapon do not give them another weapon here in the hope that then putin will not go beyond within ukraine, the front of this war will be expanded by putin himself, he will do it because in what sense he does not have a second way out. he has already promised too much to everyone in the world because, let's say so on a philosophical level, a-a it's like a conflict a- and russia with its entire world civilization arose because russia wants to be a great power, and i don’t have enough

territory for a great power, an imperial great power, that’s why we see that putin constantly strives to seize territories , this is what is indicated, this is what is declared this is what will happen until russia is dealt a crushing military blow and until it suffers a defeat, comparing it with the expression of germany . yes, in an area where russian troops are surrounded, of course, but i don't really believe in it. i think that belarus will return under a preemptive strike by nato. even give donbass if russia starts

to transfer tactical nuclear weapons there , and i think that if nata will enter this war after all, then of course the russian black sea fleet in the black sea and crimea will be under attack and all parts are very russian somewhere the army, because otherwise the war will not be won, this is what they will tell you. i think any general historian would say that it is impossible to win a war, as it were, on one's own territory . ukrainian territory, how can it not be? yes, that is, russia can , uh, not defeat ukraine, but ukraine cannot defeat russia and fight on its own territory. how much do you think western leaders are

ready for such a level of escalation ? it is clear that they, as i have already said , would dream that the war did not go beyond ukraine. the plans somehow changed yes, because, well, in the end, the war is not going so well as planned well, everything the warriors are not going so well as absolutely everything was planned the warriors were always thought of as ice cubes and led to long-term wars, and even very often the wrong side won the party that initially started it, therefore, the fact that this war will not turn out the way it was originally planned, this in itself does not indicate that the russian leadership is ready to change the

external political course of russia, but it simply indicates that they are changing a little the tactics of the war, as i have already said, and we absolutely do not care how many soldiers have died. well, now they have already passed a law allowing people under the age of 60 to be hired on a contract. that is why putin is absolutely old even probably yes, yes, yes, 65, that is, the older 65, mr. yuri, 2019, well , it doesn’t matter, that’s all, the fact is that we are dealing with cannibals, uh, who absolutely don’t care

how many they are, uh, as they say, let ’s put other people’s people in, and besides, how many that's why they are raised, but unfortunately here all for the point of view, they can enter this war for sure and forever, but they cannot enter it forever politically because this is not the version of the war that exists in putin 's head. in this war, there is a nuclear war. and this is the most dangerous moment . grandmothers and grandfathers, i believe that the situation

is exactly the opposite, that around this button there are only those people who are ready to press it, and there will be a queue of those who want to press it first, and yes, i believe that putin wants to go down in history as a man who was not afraid to start with the event of a thermonuclear war , that's all putin wants to go down in history, and who can't do it because now they 're not yet ready to start, not psychologically ready, they can't from a military point of view are not sufficiently ready for a war with the territory of the russian federation. i think that he will start a thermonuclear war with the territory of the donbass and minsk so that the retaliatory strikes are aimed at minsk and the west has thought 10 times. minsk you hear me a big country for this and too deeply

embedded in europe there are risks of course yes that radiation can spread beyond minsk yes so it is not very easy to respond to the situation in russia in oninskaya in what sense do they respond it's more complicated and i repeat, i think that these threats and dangers are absolutely clear, and the moment they arise, the suspicion that putin is starting to actually transfer nuclear weapons to the donbass and to minsk, there will be no second way out in the institutions as he inflicts will start a pre-emptive strike and, accordingly, enter the war with ukraine completely as an institution yes, as it were, yes , be in touch with us on skype, we will

analyze everything said by mr. felshtynskyi, after a short pause, we will return to communication with vitaly portnikov and we will talk about this and other important topics, in particular, we will talk about our internal topics, in particular about what actually happened today with the second attempt of the fifth president of ukraine and the leader of european solidarity to visit the parliamentary assembly we will remind nato for the second time in two days that poroshenko was not released abroad, we will also talk about what actually happened at the cathedral of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate , does the decision of the cathedral mean that the church really now it is independent from russia and to whom it is now subject, let's talk about it, let's talk about the threats from transnistria from

belarus and about when ukraine will be accepted into the european union or at least whether we will receive the status of a candidate already in june, much more about this after a short pauses when your task is to lead the country to victory. this is my life's work. you do everything in your power for this. we approach this issue very, very specifically. we congratulate general valery . the hardworking life of our ukrainian citizens is the highest value under his wise command did everything possible to make it possible for a person to consume the armed forces of

ukraine are destroying the second army of the world. in the course of what is happening, we tell news and help to understand the events, however, the war can make its corrections in the event that the broadcast signal is lost, see espresso on the satellite now espresso has become available on two satellites at once if you don't have a satellite dish and the broadcast signal never appeared search for espresso on the internet our youtube channel espresso ukrainian view thank you for watching what's up we continue the saturday political club and vitaly, well, i would like you to summarize everything said by the russian-american by historian yury falshtynsky, er, falshtynsky says that putin is ready to launch a

nuclear attack if he starts to lose and does not achieve his goals in ukraine, we can obviously see that it is already the fourth month of the war and he is not achieving these goals and predicts that the war in ukraine may spill over the territory of ukraine, in particular, capture and cover moldova and a wider range of countries. how do you assess such prospects in italy? well, it seems to me that the russians have never hidden that they, in principle, want to revive the soviet union, this is a question even on the territory, this is a question of what putin believes that historical russia is the soviet union because nothing will change from the territory, you understand that russia's capabilities will not increase much, which is cynical to say and that it will take over moldova even in ukraine belarus is now not the time when the size is interestingly measured by territories, measured by its economic potential and the ability to realize this potential, the truth is that russia could, with all the territory it now has, if it were not corrupt, not authoritarian

, modern, be almost an empire, and by the way, this is a serious challenge to that that if russia really loses this war and a different leadership comes to power in russia, then with these i would say the possibilities that exist with the bowels of these are the same as russian and russia will definitely become one of the leading states in the future. this is exactly how the federal republic of germany and japan became one of the leading states of the future after the victory of the allies and in the second world war after its defeat, therefore the defeat of russia is the way to what russia can occupy . it is not at all the place that we foresee for it in the future. but now we are talking about that russia that is and that russia that is that it spreads to ukraine to belarus to kazakhstan it remains here as a poor, unhappy russia, there will be more poor and unhappy people, that’s it, everything ends in one moment the second point, i admit that putin can blackmail with nuclear weapons from this point of view,

that for russia, the use of tactical nuclear weapons is, according to its doctrines, the way to de-escalation through escalation, they say so we will use tactical nuclear weapons in the mountains will be frightened and stop responding at the current stage of the war - this is absolutely not serious, because it will only strengthen the resistance, it should have been done immediately and not four months after the start of the war, and besides, the allies of ukraine claim that a symmetrical response is a crime, so the kremlin can 3,000 times to think about whether to do it, we really do not see signs of this, signs of preparation for this, we see that the situation is not developing as it seems to us, of course, i am not very sure that the russian government will remain as it is after the departure , not because i think that they have different political views and because they may otherwise be materially interested, you always understand that stalin and, relatively speaking, his

heirs had different material interests, they were all bolsheviks, fanatics, ideological idiots, but stalin everything was exactly the same as what would happen after him, and they wanted to live peacefully in their state dachas, that is why the idea of ​​peaceful coexistence of countries with different social systems arose here, too. it may certainly arise at some stage, i will not predict it now, because i believe that in general all these during the war they are absolutely unnecessary and yuriy is absolutely right that everyone sees what vinnytsia sees and hears what putin says is that they are trying to remind about their nuclear weapons and these are absolutely obvious things, but also we do not know how the situation will develop, how the russian leadership will behave in this or that case. also, because putin's anger can be mistaken for any defeat, you understand, because in russia, victory is not what victory is, it is what you call victory, we well, we see that the ruble

is getting stronger and we are winning, he says later, now nothing has been done with our economy, says putin well, if he were a realist, he would say that the west is a significant economic blow to russia, we will fight against it no, no, they don't say that they say that they have already won in everything. so here i am absolutely not sure. by the way, what about this increase in the age of tsetzu for military personnel ? now the age limit will actually increase to 65, how will the russians themselves perceive it or are they ready to die for putin already at an older age? i think that you, if they want, can be the same question about the contract army, and it kind of tells about one important thing that we do not we notice that they do not want to carry out mobilization, the easiest way out of this

situation is not to invite 60-year-old men to the army, but to carry out a general mobilization . by the way, for this you do not even need to declare war and declare martial law, this is all within the competence of the president of russia. if putin does not want to do this so he still believes that his population does not perceive participation in the war as such will bring the population closer to the government and therefore invents various ersatz in order to increase the number of military personnel in the war with ukraine, let's say it is possible to increase the number of contract workers by age, then there may be more older people who will go to serve, that's all, you understand that with a turbo contract in russia, this is an important social thing that many of us underestimate in such regions of russia as the siberian autonomous districts, the former part of the siberian regions. this my regions are siberia, far east of the east. there is literally no work there,

people who live there have nothing to do, they actually choose between poverty and a contract, and by the way, there are young people, why do we say that there are many young people from different national republics, what do they do, the russian army, they earn money on a military mortgage. well, if you are, you live in a poor village in some buryat district of aginsk in the composition there. i don't remember how quickly or what other region in in principle, there is no work for you there in your village, you cannot. it is elementary for you to get married so that you have a place to live with your wife. well, and the departure of the troops . contract they will save for their old age, there are also such voluntary and industrial moments, that is, with this issue, we also read that practically conscripts are you, a person at the age of 50 will not make you a conscript, you can force a person who is a conscript to a contract, but their number is also limited, we are talking about everything

other population, when a person is no longer a temporary worker , how to force him to join the army, there is no way except to lure him with these contracts and these social benefits, well, so we will see how it works now, but at least i am happy that all this is happening against the background of significant activation with the allocation in ukraine of these weapons, which we actually need for defense, and the news that we have heard these days about our acquisition of harpoons and the acquisition of khimars long-range volley fire systems - this is really important, so we hope that any what are the goals that putin is looking for in increasing the number of the quantitative composition of the russian army, they will not work and that they are late, so let's distract ourselves from military topics on our internal topics, because they are no less

important, especially when it comes to about our democracy, on saturday, may 28, the border guards did not release the leader of european solidarity for the second time in two days, ex-president poroshenko was not released abroad, where he was supposed to participate in the nato parliamentary assembly in vilnius, and the reason for the first time was the problem with confirming the validity of the permission document, i.e. the letter about on a business trip, some qr-code did not work, but today the qr-code was read, but according to the border guards, the fifth president did not provide all the documents for going abroad, which documents were not there for the testimony of the people's deputies from european solidarity did not specify how to understand who and why italy did not release poroshenko to vilnius for the meeting of the nato parliamentary assembly, this can only be described as idiocy because we do not have any official explanations how did it

even happen the chairman of the verkhovna rada signs the order on the creation of the ukrainian delegation at the nato parliamentary assembly ukraine needs the help of the north atlantic union we are talking about this we are talking about what is constitutional in our country we we want to join nato, it is obvious that joining nato is possible only if there is nationwide solidarity on this matter, you know that when the majority of the population of this or that country does not show such a desire for nato and does not accept such a country as a member, that is, it is also a necessary condition for euro tactical solidarity in this situation, we see how conventionally speaking it was, if you remember with the disconnection of the channel from digital, they that there is no one who would take responsibility for this for this act i say the chairman of the verkhovna rada signs order, of course, you remember the meeting of the humanitarian committee, it can be called simply some kind of theater of the absurd that tried to figure it out and never figured it out who made such a decision, the national security council well , the criminal council for television and radio broadcasting did not make such decisions,

the ministry of culture did not make such decisions, the regional at the mrt concert, they say that they decided it but why they decided it , they won't say here, too, this is where it turns out to be some sort of scrounger, because once again there is a decision of the verkhovna rada, the delegation is going to the official ukrainian delegation, if someone does not allow the members of the official ukrainian delegation to pass, it means to you that this is essentially a violation of this state subordination at a high level, it is a slap in the face to the president of ukraine, the chairman of the verkhovna rada, in fact, the people who do this are fighting against ukraine, this is necessary , i say honestly i don't mean the border guards, but those who from some cabinet gave them orders demonstrating all over the world because it is now on the front pages of these world newspapers that ukraine is a state without real governance, who will help a state without real management, because today the border guard did not let the deputies of the verkhovna rada to the session of the nato parliamentary assembly, and tomorrow he will not let the weapons that will go from ukraine to ukraine because someone will call, some russian agent , let's say who is there somewhere in the

ukrainian leadership and has not yet - it was discovered that there may also be border guards who pick up the phone and carry out such orders. theoretically, if this is exactly what happened, there is also a significant number of questions about the degradation of the state management system in a country that is in a state of war. and this is very dangerous. i once again believe that this is just an ordinary indo-ukrainian act directed simply against the ukrainian authorities. because during the war, the position of the authorities is one and the same . you know that during the war, we mention churchill, realistically speaking, if do you remember cherche, because the prime minister is held by his successor to the position. the prime minister who then won the election was clementatly, he was the deputy prime minister, the leader of the opposition was the deputy of the armenian. i think that it should have been the same here, so zelensky should have been there the president, and the leader of the position there poroshenko the head of the government or the secretary of the national security council, this is the norm because if the war ends, the leader of the positions

can win the presidential election absolutely for sure, he should already have experience of leading the country in such a crisis situation, he should not sit in the opposition, there should be a real government of national unity as it turns out now i will tell you in which zelensky and poroshenko will work together in high positions as it was in great britain as it was in other democratic countries it was in israel under wartime does not happen differently because after the current government loses, let's say, the elections. and this will definitely happen after the war with any real government that leads ukraine during the war, the opposition must be ready to govern. it must already be in the governance system, and this is also necessary to clearly state that the lack of such joint management of the country creates serious risks for the post-war period, well, it is so logical, i think that everyone who thinks at least one step forward should understand this. we talk about politics more often about war, we talk more often and there is no internal

politics during the war, we should have solidarity on pause for after the victory, but these things that are happening really do not give us a choice when the financial times writes about the fact that there are actually signs of what has been going on the enmity between the fifth president, petro poroshenko, and the sixth president, volodymyr zelensky, which was suspended during the invasion of russia in february, has been revived, this world edition, one of the first editions in the world, writes about the fact that putin's publicist testifies against the ex-president of ukraine and kyiv's decision to publicize these accusations is actually a bad signal. what do you think about italy? medvedchuk's affidavits were made public by the sbu, and can you believe who putin is? why do these testimonies really appear during the war, and we have to talk about it with you now. say viktor medvedchuk is really a person

who is connected with his interests to the russian political leadership, any of his testimony that he gives to the sbu can only be made in the interests of the russian political leadership because his connection with russia politically is much more than his connection with ukraine, if medvedchuk testifies against poroshenko, it means that the russian political leadership is still afraid of this union of zelensky and poroshenko or the return of poroshenko to power and is doing everything possible to take him out of the game either now or for the post-war period and because they think that zelensky they will definitely take out, it is necessary to take out poroshenko i think that they have to take out ani zelenskyi ani poroshenko what it should be absolutely a normal situation when there is zelenskyi and poroshenko, an employee or a subordinate during the war, they compete with each other after the war, one becomes the president, the other leads the opposition, they can change roles, for sure, the period, but it does not matter now . it is important not to fall into the moscow eye, and it is important that we clearly

understand in whose interests viktor medvedchuk and all these people who may be preparing him for the investigation are also absolutely obvious to me. there is nothing to talk about. we know exactly who is our enemy and who is protecting ukraine and i think that president volodymyr zelenskyi and the ukrainian leadership are aware of it no worse than us. well, how do you think all these news from ukraine are perceived in the west? well, here we quoted what the financial times and even matters. it is not about what impression the published testimony of medvedchuk makes in the west, the news that poroshenko was not allowed to go abroad, but in fact the main question is how this affects the decisions that are being made in the european union right now, in particular which will be accepted already in june regarding ukraine's application to the eu on our euro-atlantic path. how can the cases against the opposition, the telephone right,

affect the allocation of funds in the country for reconstruction ? that for people who do not want why they received candidate status, this will be an additional argument that it is necessary to wait with this, this is a very important thing that, in addition, i constantly remind even if we receive scientific candidate status for now i don't have such special reasons to believe that this will definitely happen, it will be a symbolic decision than, er, how many years do you think passes between candidate status and membership of the european union, in principle, how much time does it take between candidate status and membership of the european union ? well, we wanted to believe that these events that we are currently experiencing , and the resistance that ukraine is putting up voronyache , the value of the collective event is significantly

reduced by the way, but it is realistic, it can be as predicted by the leaders in the european we hear about the path, which can be close to ten years, ten years is a very good path, this is the path that countries like denmark took , there was no less than 8-10 years. because the path to the european union is the path of negotiations , the closing of a large number of packages. in legislation and coordination of various economic things, you understand, for example, that if ukraine enters to the european union, tell me it will be necessary to significantly reduce the costs of agricultural products, which we are so proud of in poland, because of this she went through 34 years of trying to defend her agricultural interests with subsidies there are few farmers who have won and so on for us it will happen even more often, i assure you that our agricultural negotiations will only take place for five years, because if we finish them in a year, the

destruction of our agricultural structure will be over, this is the reality, that is, turkey is in the status of the members of the e-e candidate of the scientist of the european union is 34 years. so we have a very long and did not become a member of the eu. we have a very long gap between the three or four years of turkey and the 80s and 8-10 years that such countries that joined to in the european union, like denmark, poland waited for its place for 15 years, which means, in principle, with a positive result. if we talk about the fact that after the war, ukraine will be significantly deindustrialized and will lose a huge part of its economy, all this will have to be restored, we can talk about the years 2035-37, which will end the accession of ukraine to the european union, but i will tell you simply that if we do not meet the democratic standard