it's just that we have a very strong seasonality and if we assume that the early vegetables were extremely expensive, then now as soon as the vegetables from the open ground come here to our market, and what we usually collect, the prices will drop quickly enough. well, simply because it will the offer is large, and mr. mykhailo is absolutely right. we already have enough people, well, take into account that about seven million people have left the territory of ukraine, and we must understand that the total volume of consumption, the total demand, has definitely decreased by that amount, so the prices for seasonal products will go down, bread prices will definitely rise a little depending on the logistics and the places where the grain will need to be planted, one more moment, where there are war zones, where there is danger , logistics will definitely be even more expensive because because of the danger, people will need only ours, no one will go

at the same time, so in this situation, you and i are living in a war, but at least days in two days three times , according to our estimates, there will be no food for plants. well, a maximum of 35-40% by the end of the year and the average inflation - 20-22. well, 35-40%, i will tell you this is a sufficient number, despite the fact that people's incomes have decreased catastrophically, and according to the forecasts of the world bank, the level of poverty in ukraine due to the war there by the end of the year they predict up to 70% compared to the pre-war 18- i'm the only one in terms of percentages. i just don't know if it applies to all ukrainians. are those who stayed and those who left, poverty will not be 70%. this is what it brings i didn't quite understand i understood , mr. mykhailo, all the same, will there be enough money to buy all this at the new prices, please the forecast is an ungrateful thing, once i was with the minister of economy when i worked in the 90s, i loved the cossacks as well as the flavnovites, guys, the fairy tale was never

dust, so because they predict one thing, but in practice it turns out to be another. with pricing although i would not make it a tragedy and would not aggravate the situation because the media likes to talk more about the bad than the good in reality. i went out and spoke with my colleagues in the odesa mykolaiv oblast. this year, farmers have significantly increased the planting of early and late vegetables. you know, as they say, they reacted to the economic situation, so now, for example, there is less fuel. of lubricants where there is less gas where there is less gasoline there they will be at the same level not exclusively, do the blue ones go if we are talking about bread, it is social in our country and

bakeries receive it, it goes on a separate tariff, so if it grows, then it will not be significant or we will endure, well, we have no choice as it will not be easy to endure, and they urge you to take a garden, plant a garden, what will be a bucket of potatoes, carrots, beets , as my grandmother used to say, when she went to the market, she gathered everything and cooked borscht, so it will not be easy, but we will endure here there is simply no other way to survive, plus i have hope for international aid because ukrainian business is now in a better position with it and the discussions that are going on about the tax payment model , how to do business, what taxes should be what should be the payments? i think that here we are waiting for completely new radical revolutionary approaches. i think that after all there will be more of the government, letters of negotiations with international partners, international donors about targeted support of

some vulnerable sections of the population, especially those who are near the zone of military operations because if we talk about the price of security, the closer it is to the border, the lower it is and the better it is. i’m the only one who will simply remind you of one figure that we have a minimum pension for ukrainians from july 1 will amount to as much as 2027 million at the current moment in our country is 1934 hryvnias and at the current prices for products, well, these are simply measly amounts. we cannot expect that prices will fall because we do not export grain and oil and from well, it is more than necessary, but the prices are not why can't the state, for example, buy it back? that's not the way we understand it. it's in private hands and form some sort of strategic reserve, because donor money is already coming in and already helping the oligarchs. four media groups were given 165 million. why can't it? in food, it is a strategic reserve,

because people are already saying that, look, this reserve is strategic, someone is refueling for 2,000, and a person for 2,000 has to survive, for example, in the same territories, uah 134 is presented to pensioners , or answer your questions according to the data of the ministry of finance, each a month in ukraine , the deficit is 5 billion dollars every month, that is, every month, our expenses with you, social wages , expenses for security, defense, payments to our soldiers, e.e., exceed our incomes by 5 billion today there will definitely not be a question about seriously investing some funds to buy food, state reserves, donors are already every month, that's right, they pretend to be clean and the equipment is clean, one more thing. and one more thing, so that you understand, donors, they are donors. that is, there

are 5-6 percent of grants . all the latter are loans , well, that is, we have to understand that they pour in. but let them be preferential, let them be at low interest rates, let them be long-term, but these loans will all have to be given to a functioning economy, that is again, today we finance social expenses with loans, we stupidly eat up loans, there is no other option. we are at war. the national bank of ukraine printed 120 billion uah today. well, that is, it bought back war bonds for such an amount that it imitated the ministry of finance in essence this is also a hidden mission. the national bank threw away uah 120 billion, and in general, the total amount of military bonds that the ministry of finance plans to issue is 400 billion. well, that is, we have to do what i ask. there will be consequences later. so this will be the failure to target the hernia, when we

talk about raising prices, we understand that actually this money mass will go to the market, but it will not go anywhere and this is actually the first basis of why prices will rise and why there will be inflation well, this war has another option. there are no countries that dramatically increase their industrial production during the war, especially if the war is going on in your territory, so the only way to survive is then to restore the economy. to use it more effectively well, to somehow cycle this money into a business that will later pay taxes, you know, you know, we had such a discussion with danylo hetmantsev at the ukrainian business council, where we raised the issue of vat not being returned to exporters, and he gave us the following answer: 125 billion hryvnias, where to spend them , return the vat exporter or pay for weapons, pay the wages that were promised to those on the

front lines, or pensions to retirees. that is, we colleagues must understand that we live in a state of war the state of the military economy may be a drawback of the fact that the government and the authorities are not talking about it. colleagues , let's still honestly say that we have a mobilization economy. or we will win the war and then we will make business programs, and if we do not win, it is necessary, then all this will be completely irrelevant and uninteresting . information naftogaz subsidiary naftogaz bezpeka is called on april 11 of this year, they agreed on the purchase of seven toyota land cruiser 200 armored suvs with a total cost of 950,000 euros in the company, why, well, for security, of course, this is what the editorial office says about it ukrainian pravda simply printed on

april 11, naftogazbezpeka and swiss rain the naftogaz company naftogaz trading - the europeans concluded an agreement on the purchase of armored suvs according to the terms of the contract, they must to be delivered to ukraine by april 17. congratulations on the safety of the heads of naftogaz of ukraine, and what about olezhe? naftogaz ukraine, well, 10 million dollars. well, they just paid the head of a state institution during the war. i don’t know where in private business. could such a story be repeated somewhere abroad? 100%, er, corporate rights of naftogaz of ukraine it belongs to the state. yes, there is a supervisory board, but we are in a period of war. and i understand that it is quite

possible to make sufficiently strict decisions regarding the limitation of the powers of the supervisory boards and the taking over of the main functions of the cabinet of ministers . that is, all those things must be regulated by the cabinet of ministers unequivocally, including and as for such strange purchases, well, it is possible that mr. vitrenko is going to give those lem cruisers to the guys for an overdose of ukraine. to enlist in the armed forces and go with those cruisers, uh, a small unit, a small battalion, no, just, well, i understand the sto battalion, one car, two cars, well, but seven armored land cruiser 200 cars. well, why ? are not clear from the point of view of moral and ethical e-e, let's say the indicators of

the management of naftogaz, and it is not clear from the point of view of the passive e-e attitude to all those things and the cabinet of ministers we talk all the time about the need to economize on the lack of money in the state budget, because there are problems with social expenditures and similar things. they are not going anywhere, so i think that the cabinet of ministers must respond to those things, and i have great hope that in the near future we will not see war now. that is all issues are related to corporate governance, compliance with the law, the powers of supervisory boards, the possibility of changing the terms of contracts for the first managers of e-e state enterprises, all this should remain in peacetime, war please, mr. mykhailo was just talking about the mobilization economy, actually, this is exactly the issue that the cabinet of ministers should decide today. well, naftogaz security explained the purchase of seven of these armored land cruisers, a quote during russia's military aggression, a significant number of our

employees and facilities found themselves in the zone where hostilities are taking place and or there is a real threat of shelling to preserve the life and health of employees, as well as to ensure the stable operation of the oil and gas system, the implementation of direct statutory tasks and there was a need to purchase special equipment. end of quote p mykhailo, see your comment, i don’t know that there were such options, we were approached about things otherwise naftogaz and transgaz and the operator when it was necessary to go to the combat areas and repair the same gas distribution stations and other objects are critical and had to be done, it is possible for this as well. but it is possible that they will leave and leave. in the 1945s or the second world war, as we now say, stalin prizes were awarded. it was such a significant sum that was awarded there to writers

, artists, poets, depending on their services. tolstoy oleksiy tolstoy yes, is it from the artist a-a tank column that is, i understand the situation, so kobolev sued because he considered what was done to him unfairly, okay , you won the trial, they told you that you have to return the money from from my point of view, if he is a patriot of ukraine, if he is a person who is morally virtuous, i must say that i got to join the vaksiyu, i enjoyed it, but the money that should be paid to me, i give it to the needs of the front. i buy a plane. i buy, to put it bluntly, tanks. from my point of view, it was correct, he would then show an example of really high moral qualities that a leader of this level should have, and the war

is just a latvortsev piece of paper or quietly in his pocket and where he will dump it or go out to say that i am i was treated wrongly. i proved that i was treated unfairly, but given the critical situation in the country, i gave the money to the needs of the war. from my point of view, it was right. will he do it or not? well, as they say, we will see if he has these moral qualities or not. they have no moral qualities. you are looking at them. he definitely has a mother in the united states, we know for sure, and i will say that the stalin prize was 100,000 rubles. well, the truth is, those roads were such money, static forms of the year 1961, 100,000 rubles stalinsky and oleg penzin. we thank you very much for a meaningful discussion. let's move on. agia zagrebelskaya. oleksandra kramarenko should join in a few

minutes . means for strengthening his defense ability all the days of immediate danger when there was danger of taking kyiv today is kyiv day let's listen short 30 seconds he wrote to himself in a telegram hung up please we don't hear, but the people hear. i don't know if the people heard. well, vitaliy said. i mean, you can read. kyiv is ancient and modern, our city has stood on the hills of the dnipro for 1540 years. the hills are unconquered and beautiful. happy kyiv day, dear kyivans. glory to ukraine glory to kyiv vitaliy klitschko glory to the heroes and thank you

to vitaly, the nickname is already with us. i am from zagreb and oleksandr kramarenko. we congratulate you and have a good day. yes , agia zagreb is a lawyer with us, a state representative of the antimonopoly committee of ukraine. we will remind 15-19 years old and oleksandr kramarenko is our colleague, editor-in-chief of the деньги.ua magazine, we actually continue to talk about money. i don’t know if you heard our previous discussion, about naftogaz of ukraine, we talked about these million -euro armored land cruiser 200s, on which naftogaz repair crews will now go for repairs there are some, well, gas hounds, and about the severance mr. kobolev received there for terminating his contract of 10 million dollars about whether this is some kind of planned attack on the management of naftogaz in order to somehow influence yuriy there

windmill to tell that he spends too much money of the management of naftogaz on himself, and in fact there are some behind-the-scenes desires to simply lead these uh gas-gas flows in the country, please , to whom is the question oleksandr to you yes, let's go with you and about armored cars, in principle, i i don't see anything terrible in this, provided that they are used for the declared purpose, well, there are no problems with people's lives, the conditions in which they work are terrible in the east and in the south, too. by the way, why not i wonder why there are only four cars. it is possible. seven, seven. sorry, seven. it is even possible . it would be too few. the regions on whose territory there is currently an active phase of hostilities. in principle

, there is no more before that. well, i personally have no questions. maybe the brand is too expensive . but the question to the experts regarding the situation from here with the renegades. i would say that i agree with mr. mykhailo, if i am not mistaken, he had the idea that in the current conditions it would be ethical to receive morally er sadisfaction but er give these funds in full or mostly to some things that are related to defense in any way humanitarian in the armed forces of the armed forces. anything. it would be fair. was it right, given that we all pay money to naftogaz and its tariffs, in principle? well, for us, we must just like taxes. the agent has a question for you about these gas prices

for teplokomunenergo. well, for several days now , this letter from naftogaz of ukraine has been circulating on the internet, and the price increases by more than three times from the current one to uah 29, 39 kopecks per e-e 1 000 for one cube, i.e. uah 29,000,392 for 1,000 cubes for teplokomunenergo enterprises along with this well, naftogaz says that the price for the population will not change and they say that we will cover all the difference three times. well, the state will pay at the expense of the state. is there some kind of corruption element here and your assessment of the situation please? on the one hand, let 's speak objectively, today the population of ukraine is not able to pay the market price for gas, that is, the majority of the population clearly will not be able to pay it, and here the first question is whether we

set preferential prices for gas for everyone or we we still distribute the larger part that cannot pay, it will receive gas or heat at discounted prices, and the part that still continues to be able to pay . market prices, secondly, to whom will it be transferred, because today if naftogaz will supply gas to teplokomunenergo at market prices and then the state will somehow compensate , then again the big question is who do we have on i mean the state. will it be transferred to local budgets again, as has happened many times already, and we understand that local budgets simply will not be able to cover this difference, or will it take over the state budget further, if it will take over the state budget, then at the expense of what funds again, this state budget will cover it. that is

, where will this money come from? and you are absolutely correct in mentioning the corruption component that may be there, because every time we are dealing with direct financial subsidies to a person who can't pay or a business that ca n't pay but with these schemes, when someone pays something, then it is somehow covered from somewhere, we have several intermediaries in the chain, and at each of these intermediaries we can essentially have a story in which someone something not so much and, accordingly, it is once again a corruption feeder. therefore, it is not yet clear how it will be repaid, but of course there are risks. well, it is interesting here, mr. oleksandr, and at what price will the business buy gas here, there are many positions about the fact that 6-7 million people have left, that gas consumption must be significantly reduced and that supposedly ukraine has enough gas from its own livestock, but at the same time, even gas is sold at its own cost, or are we selling it at the market price

correctly, that is, business will buy this gas at what price in war conditions there is a problem, in my opinion, it is that a significant number of gas wells are located in the combat zone or near it, for example, uh, well, i was born in kharkiv region, he knows quite well where and what is from uh, shebelinsk uh there in this square gas-bearing there to the line of collision there are actually several kilometers, well, maybe 20-30 km there, definitely no more, so we can face a decrease in production due to these reasons, and not only a decrease in a-a consumption, this is firstly a-and secondly in me there is a very big question about the market price, our so -called market price includes quite a lot of investment costs, the so-called

increase in gas production, but this increase does not happen, and for many years, for some reason, private companies are able to invest money to increase production, and for some reason, ukrainian production no, there is no question of how these funds are used. for some reason, this question is not voiced or investigated, and besides, you are absolutely right. now, businesses should consume less, and above all , enterprises that stopped on the left bank of ukraine consume less. there are more such large consumers than in the west of ukraine, there is such a structure of industry, what are you going to do about it? by the way, both mariupol plants, which are now destroyed, do not work at all, so we have a lot of problems with them

it is necessary to approach it very carefully and i am absolutely sure that teplokomuninergo and the population cannot have a so-called market price, i say so-called because it is not a market price, it is set administratively based on the principle of the so -called import priority, there is a lot to it questions by the way, and about gasoline, about gasoline naftogaz will create a network of gas stations in order to prevent high prices, yuriy vitrenko said about this in one of the interviews, he says that the state does not want to monopolize the market in any way, but the market has to appear a powerful state player who would have complete trust both on the part of the state and on the part of the people a-a ahiya please tell me yes yes a direct quote from the very windmill, diplomatically speaking , there is a certain mistrust of private large gas station chains that are certain conspiracies that prices are sometimes

inflated when there is a state player and a significant part of the market 15-2030%. that is, not 100%, but not one, then there is more trust that the consumer has the opportunity to buy at a fair competitive price. of course not, you know, first of all i want to say that how are we going to join the eu with all this because the european union does not understand how it is possible to simultaneously perform so many functions and be a monopolist and engage in transportation , engage in gas distribution and engage in gas production, withdraw activity that scholz absolutely yes and secondly, i don’t understand at all where such negativity towards private business comes from, you know, it reminds me again of these soviet textbooks that businessmen are speculators if we talk about

today's history on the fuel market, we must be honest with each other, we imported four out of five liters of fuel, we imported fuel from russia, from belarus or through belarus, that is, we lost it all absolutely, we actually lost 100% of imports, if we are honest with each other and today our private business is doing the same heroic deeds. i'm sorry, as well as our military volunteers and so on, because to block such a volume of imported resources in such a short time. and this is fantastic because today i really have does private business, he is negotiating with european operators today to rebuild their routes, they are looking for some extra resource somewhere. they are trying to agree that they will send some part of the resource that you did not supply to other countries to your regular customers to ukraine, that is, private business today is making a titanic work and here is the

titanic work that they did all these two months in order to fill the market with a resource in return from the state, regardless of state regulation they are now hearing about the fact that you are unreliable here, and that is why we will now bring a state player to the market, which, having funding from the state, having an administrative resource, being present at all meetings in the government, opening the door to the bank , will compete with them, well, excuse me, and what we will now make naftogaz 8 an additional resource somewhere where it will not be taken, it cannot be simply now there will be an oil embargo and europe will begin to fill its storage in its reserves with fuel. that is, it will be even more difficult for us to find this resource in europe. and another option except that we don't have europe and we have a lot. by the way, we say that now poland will help us - it will help. of course, it's great. we thank poland very much, but poland itself imports 7 million tons, that is, in fact, poland itself is import-dependent and it will also

find somewhere to supply it to us that is, the problems that exist with the shortage of resources on the market naftogaz will not solve in any way. that is, it is not a solution to any problem at all, but it complicates the situation because it essentially reduces the motivation of private business to show heroism, and on the other hand, it significantly reduces the investment attractiveness of our fuel market in general, and foreign players enter our fuel market, because if the state is present here as such a big elephant, then what is the motivation of a private player to come here? as for the state-owned ones, i immediately remember gasoline for seven kopecks at 80 at the soviet gas stations, but i don’t know if i would like to go back to those times, please, look at the retail market, there is definitely no need to go to a state-owned company, because there is a crazy risk, what the hell

due to administrative leverage, alternative private networks will suffer for the sake of the well-being of the state network, what exactly can a state company do - this is, first of all, to introduce the use of the same oil product pipeline from hungary in the reverse direction in order to supply oil products in ukraine to ukraine through hungary a it is possible to invest money in border terminals so that , for example, a narrow gauge would come from poland and there is already somewhere on ukrainian territory, and our car tanks could be filled with e-e and so on so that they don't cross. well, to make it easier, and you are absolutely right that private oil tankers are just doing heroic things now, and each car

with 20 tons of fuel behind it is a goal, in fact, a goal and people risk everything. they buy new systems, new tractors, this is very big funds, they will somehow cope with this, uh, what could be done to stimulate, just don't jump at me with slippers to stimulate the work and creation of new, compact, small oil refineries, uh, factories, which, in principle, we had in our country were semi-legal but why not legalize them and start producing oil products on them, a small plant is unlikely to be too interesting a target for russians, as, for example, it was the kremenchug plant, large