well, he says that he is sure that when the ukrainian armed forces go to the line on february 24, 2022, they will liberate all our territories that are now under the enemy as a result of the latest invasion. then russia itself will want victory. well , i honestly don't have such a thing. optimistic assessment and if and if he doesn't want to do what to do well, we left, we left and they don't want negotiations, they are shooting at us with all their weapons, what are you going to do? and vitalik, look, we will have it when we go to the line with our armed forces on february 23 we will have a somewhat interesting situation, it will be very difficult for us, if at all, to stop our soldiers in order to release and in the future all the territories that will leave, that will remain under the occupation of the russian federation, we will not hold them for a day. by the way, what will it hold for? we will not hold

back, and our troops will go to the legally defined borders on february 23, 1991, the answer is also accepted, but in 1992, sir, tell me what is going on in your faction, and why is it asking me, it was always interesting because you know i very often i encountered a situation when deputies from the majority, so the faction that forms the government, had completely different worldview positions, i always said that people came to me on the air of my program, i would simply say that they were more national democrats than representatives of those national democratic forces who also came to me simply, simply. it is possible, i don’t know , to build such a special party, a patriotic , national-democratic party, such a tough party. other people whom i have never seen on my broadcasts,

but i have seen on the broadcasts of my colleagues, to whom the fish themselves have never come on the air . it was a diffusion. it took place a little earlier because i will remind several deputies from the servant of the people faction who had or were confirmed by the united states to have ties with the russian federation, this is dubinsky, who are under sanctions for being pro-russian agent, and also there, shevchenko and others were excluded, was in uh, what is it, vitaly, sir, everything is fine, everything is fine. continue this. consider this a reaction to the surname of this yevgeny shevchenko, and shevchenko. well, uh, and they were excluded even before the start of the war, of course. during the war, more of the deputies who, er, maybe did not think ideologically for themselves, made the appropriate choice

that they are first and foremost deputies, there were none elected by the ukrainian people, ukrainians should protect only them, accordingly, one cannot say that the servant of the people was about the contradictions about patriotic, with some exceptions, which were excluded even before the war began. do you feel that there is now such a unity of political forces in the parliament, there is national unity, which is so necessary for every society during the war, on the one hand, vitalik, see a difficult question, and an even more difficult answer, on the one hand, yes but on the other hand, i understand that some of the pro-russian forces that supported calls for surrender before the start of the war actually changed their colors, waiting for the right moment. it is surprising that we cannot call them collaborators otherwise, they cannot be expelled from the verkhovna rada hall. well , when i talk to the french for them, uh, and

you ask them, how would they react to the fact that , for example, in 1946, they had a former prime minister the ministers of the vichy government would go to the parliament of the factions, they say, well, that would be very strange and it is impossible and we still have such repainted deputies who have a mandate from the ukrainian people and who they represent during the war for our lives and freedom eventually let's go let's take the kivush who, if he had not resigned his mandate voluntarily by this time, would have been considered a deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine and a representative of the ukrainian people, and why do we get rid of such deputies as there is? a lot, and this is the majority of degrees, i am worried about why we have not managed to solve this

issue politically until now, tell me, the position of the oligarchic groups is fine , i have the oligarchs themselves it is important because before the war the president held a dialogue with these people, invited them to meetings, called for the support of the state, do you remember how many such calls there were? now we see that some people are talking quite loudly about the support of others, they are saying that they are helping with money. i'll be honest. i think that people who received billions of dollars as a result of their and certain activities are now donating millions and are considered great philanthropists. this, to put it mildly, is something that i consider philanthropy, even for the benefit of the armed forces. but there are people who are generally silent, but ihor kolomoiskyi cannot be seen or heard. well, look , ms. vitaly, you are pushing us to review a part of our history of the 90s and force those who became billionaires during that time without exception to pay the real value of their assets, which one way or another it

receives at the expense of either privatization or influence on the political system and it must start with akhmetova and finish poroshenko one way or another they all got a profit from it and maybe it is appropriate to present them with such a bill thank you mr. oleg also an important remark. let's see what our economic picture will look like after the war, but by the way, many of them are now getting rid of their property, how will it look, they are transferring it to the wife, daughter, no, when there are not several enterprises, yes, he did not get rid of it, they bombed it, it was not for his own e- e proposal or non -charitable activity got rid of this in this case is a normal tool. it is through reparations after victory to receive compensation, including private compensation, and with this private compensation, most likely, he must share to pay the state as for property to be acquired during the 90s

and such a scheme can be worked out was a desire i don't even know if you are such a romantic, sir, but you know that now there are television channels that belong to all these people which you mentioned because his channels do not participate in the marathon, they take they receive money with help from the budget, these oligarchs themselves now receive money from the state budget for their information resources, who participate in the marathon, and they do not pay him any reparations for illegal privatization or the law on everything on its own time, i am not a roman. so i see how trends are moving, which can be predicted about a year or two ago, for example, i can say with complete certainty that the times of the russian empire, for example, are coming to an end and there already at the time of creation on the basis of its new national sovereign states according to national symbols, just as the times of our oligarchs are coming to an end, let's see what else they will be after the victory. by the way, i will mention quite a

lot of examples, for example, even those empires that won after the world wars, they fell apart in the same way, and the oligarchs who allegedly profited during the war, most likely after the war, they will no longer exist . ether we will continue this important meaningful discussion and now we have a non-factional people's deputy of ukraine lyudmila buynistar congratulations mr. lyudmila glory to ukraine glory to the heroes to see, so we have finished from the point of view of oligarchic responsibility in general and your colleague oleg dunda expressed the hope that the oligarchs will be able to bear some responsibility, let's say so , for the years of abuse of the state budget of ukraine and, in general, for their role in the ukrainian economic and political infrastructure, you also hope for this. i hope that everyone who was involved

in the fact that the country is 30 years old looted and er corruption has developed on such a scale in our state that our international partners cannot comprehend it and they constantly point us to it er it will be stopped and we will never return to the conversations that there may be some manifestations of corruption in ukraine, whether this corruption is oligarchic or not oligarchic, it doesn’t matter at all because the destructive effect on statehood and national security from this is simply insane, but only you see it as an economic tool in general, if we talk about western aid and i i think that many of those western government officials who are now thinking about this aid are thinking at the same time about control, how real can control be, so that those who will give to ukraine for its revival do not

went into the sand, as it often happens with the resources we were counting on, received loans from international financial organizations, etc., i worked a lot and for a long time in my civilian life with international financial institutions, i know for sure that such tools exist from the creation of special funds that control this and which undergo strict monitoring even there by audit companies before the principle of receiving this funding is structured and what should be confirmed by the intended use international funding provided to our country by

e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. a lot of attention is currently being paid to the military-industrial complex, which, unfortunately, today, well, it has a huge potential, but this potential is not used, and we ourselves have to produce ammunition for ourselves in order not to wait for the delivery of ammunition from our international partners master the new technologies that our partners will be ready to transfer to us and start with the military-industrial complex as, in principle, the driver of the recovery of ukraine's economy in wartime and finally put eco at our place . the wartime economy

and all the nuts in the russian federation have already been tightened, but today in ukraine we need to reduce the regulatory burden on businesses that continue to work in the country, in particular, and make it easier all permit documentation, certification, the issue of moving business from hot spots, more peaceful areas of our country and focus on the military-industrial complex, because war requires tough decisions, it requires determination, what do you see now, what does territorial defense look like, what does the armed forces look like, what do you think of these people who are now pass through these terrible trials and defend the country, a new ukrainian political elite will be formed. cohesion absolutely cannot be lost, because this is

precisely the guarantee of the fact that we have already repelled the enemy who thought that in three days the ukrainian government and ukraine would fall, they were counting on very quick results and their calculations thanks to the unity and strength of the spirit of the ukrainian people, in which the the defense of the volunteer state, territorial defense, everyone who was able to get their hands on a weapon defended our country from the first day of the escalation of the war with the russian federation. that is why we cannot lose this unity, this unity must remain. we will engage in politics after the victory, now is not the time for political games, and now is not the time

to think about politics in principle. - by rebuilding already political life well, i don't even mean politics, i do n't mean political struggle, i mean just people who would otherwise perceive the state to speak as a value, because it seems to me that now for many of you see, mr. lyudmila, what we talked about even before the war, that for many of those for whom the state was a value, it became a non-value because they realized that they were losing. this is how it always happens in life, if you are with someone, then you it seems that it is absolutely normal with parents yes yes someday you lose someone you understand what it was and this seems to me to be the case with ukraine today and with ukrainians unfortunately often people value only what they lose but we did not lose our state, we defended it and i i am proud of our people. i am proud of everyone who stood up for the defense of the state. i am proud of my brothers who

did not doubt their actions for a single second and went to defend the motherland, and after seeing this today , the entire ukrainian society saw how strong we are when we are united, how much we can even resist the second e it is the largest army in the world when we are united, when we are united and when we move towards a single goal, so i believe that this unification of our society will help us build a new the ukrainian state with those values ​​that we actually historically carried through all the trials that faced us for many, many years with very difficult neighbors with a difficult geographical position uh, but we preserved our culture and our

independence and our independent spirit and will continue to do so in the future. this is a very good moment now so that all the people who united today continue to work for our state. do you have the feeling that this unity is really preserved after 90 there are 5 years where are the days of god 95 days of war the unity is preserved, especially of the combat units , the morale is very high, our army is ready to continue to defend the state, so the main thing is that we and the politicians, including the political elites , contribute so much to preserving this fighting spirit and the spirit of unity, thank you mrs. ludmila, i wish you victory, take care, for the sake of the council, i was seeing you. long time no see, but we will

definitely see each other more than once. ludmila, because the city was in the people's deputy of ukraine, oh, oh, we are in touch, serhiy sobolev , people's deputy of ukraine, deputy head of the faction the homeland of the all-ukrainian union is the homeland of the council to see mr. serhiy spent the whole hour talking to people who, one might say, recently entered politics into the parliament. you and i have been watching the verkhovna rada of ukraine for how many years . i want to ask you about this atmosphere, where i am, understanding in the parliament, the days of war. you feel such a qualitative change. look, if it concerns an external enemy, without a doubt. nothing unites ukrainians like an external enemy, and i think what is happening during this dear during the russian-ukrainian war, such unity really did not exist for a long time, as far as the further

confrontations related to the program principles and things that remained before the war, well, no one removed it, that is, anyway, yes. we agreed that for this period of the war, we forgot about all confrontations, but unfortunately well we see that as soon as the war is forgotten, even for a moment, internal things immediately arise that prevented ukraine from developing for these 30 years, unfortunately, this confrontation remains, if it was, you know, such a normal, healthy overcoming each other unfortunately, we have problems 20 and 30 and 15 and 10 years ago, the key was who will imprison whom and this is unfortunately, the worst thing that contributes to the atmosphere of unity that exists around uniting the country against the common enemy of rasych what do you

think how much power is the opposition? i mean the democratic position because i am asking your colleague from the servant of the people faction, but he spoke first of all about the fact that he does not understand the presence of forces in the parliament that were openly pro-russian. but i mean the government and the democratic opposition of this political forces, which have always advocated the preservation of statehood against russian aggression, can work together. well, no one has listened to me so far. but i think that they will listen, i hope, at least i do not lose hope in the conditions of war, without a doubt, this is the only option and since the 14th year, when we were involved in a direct confrontation with russia during the first russian-ukrainian war, without a doubt, this would have been a way out of the situation, unfortunately, neither then nor now. i think this is underestimated, because unity does not only happen in the parliament when they vote for this or that draft law. and this unity

should be felt everywhere, including in military administrations and in the government. i think that it helped the joint struggle. as for the organization of work itself, you know the best, without a doubt , this organization is happening now in international arenas. well, i think that the parliamentary organization can be an example the assembly of the council of europe, unfortunately, is still the only international organization that excluded russia and its members, and not just from a political body or a parliamentary body, but actually excluded from everywhere. now lavrov has no right to be in the committee of ministers together with other foreign ministers, just like not a single member of parliament who currently exists and could represent the russian federation is not admitted today, only now not because they left but because they were excluded and expelled from everyone, the only thing

they left a transition period for six months so that russian citizens have the right to apply to the european court of human rights. i think this arena is very demonstrative, just like all the other arenas are demonstrative. well, it was successful, for example. look how united everyone acted as a united team, regardless of whether it was from here or the government the same thing can be seen in assessments, for example, the completely inappropriate position of the french leader or the german leader in the last days, when they are trying to find peace there where it is impossible to find it, and the situation, for example in the same year 2008 in georgia, the situation of 14-15 years in ukraine did not teach them anything, so it seems to me that this is the best demonstration moment in the parliament, it was organized for some time, how not to pass bills that do not have the total support of the entire parliament, we are quite

good worked in this mode, but then we began to slip, well, the most uh, brighter moment is when they try again under the guise of war, under the guise of martial law, to delay things that, well, in my opinion, smack of corruption, that's why the mechanisms that acted further were the objection of any faction to issues that carry a threat. i think it worked, although, for example, the lack of broadcasting of the verkhovna rada is, in my opinion, completely unfounded, just as, for example, before it was unfounded, the impossibility of discussing issues , now we discuss them, but no one sees the same story, for example, on the broadcast of a number of tv channels. well, for example, your channel. i can only watch it via satellite, well, this is wrong. it seems to me that if we already understand that there is a common enemy, well, it was necessary to really do

everything possible so that the channels that actually carried russian propaganda were as limited as possible, they did it, why go further? well, it’s already in the groin, i will try to deal with the opposition in some way. what do you think, in principle, from the point of view of our of cooperation with the international financial aid organization of ukraine, we talked about it also during this broadcast, you see some effective control mechanisms for the distribution of those funds that will be issued for the revival of ukrainian of the economy so that it does not become a part of the corruption mechanism, you know, many people can now sleep and see how they will give us money that will again be scattered somewhere. well, it seems to me that this time has not yet come, now, after all, these are funds that really go to military needs, what about today can be conditionally called such money. these are the approximately five and a half

billion dollars that we are asking for now, at least for the next 8-9 months, to ensure the funding gap of the budget, therefore, in this regard, yes without i doubt the control over budget money should be a priority today, including the opposition, what concerns the restoration. well, it seems to me that for now this is still a question of the liberated territory there: chernihiv oblast, sumy oblast, northern kyiv oblast, that is, there are opportunities here, without doubt, that such funds must be controlled. i don't even have any questions. how is it in general? look, when we talk about an international organization, about the cooperation of deputies of various parliamentary factions. how do you generally look at our ability to convince the west, because you see? today there will be a meeting of the european council on sunday and monday. and we can already see that the oil barge that we were so hoping for, if it is adopted, then in some such cut-down

compromise form, to what extent are we generally able to influence together? i mean there the politicians of various political forces, experts according to the public opinion of the west , there is no doubt that now, er, the expectations for it seem to me to be so high that in the best case we will receive a real embargo only for two-thirds one-third so what delivered through pipelines will remain and we understand that it will be impossible to limit it. it seems to me that although the first step is still the tanker fleet of russia, which actually delivers oil or oil products to the countries of the european union, i still have a feeling that it will die after this joint meeting of the european council, where this decision will most likely be adopted, how to

close this loophole in one third of the oil that is delivered directly through pipelines, it is clear that the question remains open. it seems to me that here, without compensation, which should be received by a number of countries that only live on this, i have no idea how the council of europe will get out of this situation, but here it seems to me that it is much more important, after all, now it is a joint action precisely on those key absolutely clear needs that the government puts forward the position of a key leader in relation to weapons seems to me to be right here and the answer to many questions is hidden, because we have all been closely following it for the last week. what is happening in the east in the donetsk luhansk direction on in the direction of severodonetsk, we understand very well if these promises to provide us with projective salvo fire systems were already in place. i am convinced that there would not

be such a difficult situation. likewise, it would not be so difficult in the kherson and zaporizhzhia directions, because what we have today, unfortunately, is all still only the elements of uh, i at least some kind of offensive weapons, but mostly almost 90% wanted these weapons that we can use exclusively for defense and here, without a doubt, unfortunately, the advantages of the russian federations and it seems to me that this is something that should be announced at every international site. it seems that the communication with serhiy von has been interrupted. maybe they will still have time to restore it. it is very important what he said about this situation, which is connected with by the fact that ukraine received weapons, high-tech weapons, weapons that will be able to fight the enemy at long

distances, here i wanted to ask him a question that, at the same time, still remains an important topic , we may still have time to ask him. situation, mr. sergey, i still wanted to ask this question. and why do you think that now the west understands the situation so slowly, this is the key, that is, the fear that we will provide everything for defense as soon as it concerns already offensive weapons or the same missile systems that can actually to interrupt any possible russian missile technology or artillery, this is exactly where, well, in my opinion, completely unfounded fears are manifested. moreover, when i hear that the ukrainians can use this to strike deep into the territory of russia well, it seems to me that it just looks frivolous, everyone

absolutely clearly understands how serious the situation is now in the key areas and without offensive weapons, let's tell the truth, we can actually find ourselves further and further in a very difficult situation, especially in the east, where we see that the key task of the russian fascists - this is to close the cauldron, in fact, along the administrative line of donetsk, luhansk, and our task is to reject them as much as possible in the key directions, which are, therefore, i think that everyone understands everything perfectly simply let's continue the games under no circumstances. no, it's not there to provoke the russian federation, these are the worst possible games. thank you, mr. serhiy. the situation

is not simple, which is created in connection with the delay in the supply of heavy weapons to ukraine, we have to talk about it on every broadcast, at every meeting with politicians, the international media, the sooner we get it, the sooner we we will win, now i will pass the floor to my colleague iryna koval, who will introduce you to the news of this hour , and you and i will watch after the news broadcast, for now stay with us on the espresso tv channel shoot the border territories of ukraine 18th in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval congratulations, the occupiers fired 10 times today on the border towns of chernihiv