you know, there is such an element as an informational sensation, where is it, roughly speaking, what is the patient's temperature, how to find it now, one of the options is to actually hear what the temperature is, let's assume that the patient is so-and-so, so-and-so, so-and-so irrigation . language, if i understood correctly, i would formulate you metaphorically as the one who communicates not so much with putin as with his madness, conditionally speaking, checking, measuring his degree at the given, for today, uh, it is best to measure the degrees, actually, and the temperature in the kremlin

it seems to me that the american chi-mars are so uh and the harpoons are provided to us by denmark, great britain and other partners. well, actually , there is no such connection between us and volodymyr volya, and we wanted to talk to you, andriy, with our experts about the nato parliamentary assembly and actually, we know about what is happening on its fields, that the ukrainian delegation , in an incomplete composition, to put it mildly, went and started work at the spring session of the nato parliamentary assembly in vilnius, we know that they did not give us the opportunity to take the meeting of the fifth president and the leader of european solidarity, petro poroshenko well, the representatives of the authorities are present at the meetings and he did not write about it in his blog, eh, yes, this is a

telegram message from the verkhovna rada about the fact that the session has actually started and we know about it kornienko is present there. yes, i want to say that in our country, when we talk about the european union or the european union, as well as about ukraine's membership in nato, there are several important moments happening here that must be commented on with an expert. actually mr. volodymyr if allow me to ask you this question, do you believe that it is possible to join, for example, the european union without, at the same time, membership in nato? about the fact that it is possible to create some kind of alternative to ukraine with britain and other countries to the european union, for example, it was enthusiastically discussed in our country on all channels and on the national television, while it is interesting that besides in russia, it was almost never discussed anywhere else, the fact that it simultaneously aroused enthusiasm, and in the

west, in fact, this statement went completely unnoticed. what is your opinion, can ukraine jump over it, conditionally speaking, and suddenly find itself in some incredible future where there is not even a european union nato country yet? you can't jump over anything, in fact, if you talk about the probability of joining nato to the european union, then the path to joining nato is much easier if you remove all the geopolitical objections all these risks that dominated the position of many member states of the alliance before the start of a full-scale war between russia and ukraine, now these risks no longer exist, now there are already too many obligations to place their e-e weapons in the eastern part of the alliance, that is, russia has destroyed all the agreements of the agreement and years are too loose,

ukraine is now speedily implementing those moments that would be part of the so-called action plan for the membership of the pdc, so here we can say that the path to can be much faster and shorter for ukraine nor the path to the european union, because the european union is still a quasi-state, that is, similar to a state in an entity that has a significant part of common legislation, and ukraine will have to do some legislative work in order for it to be in ukraine as well . there was this part of the legislation that should to be in a member state of the european union, this is what we call standards in a different way, yes, legal standards, etc., this is all implemented, that is, implemented through the legislative process, therefore the path to nato may turn out to be much faster than before

of the european union because the number of changes needed by the legislators needed for joining the european union is much more than for joining nato, for joining nato there is no joint legislation with the member states of the alliance. i am very, very skeptical. you are alarming me that this initiative. and at the same time, we learned about the initiative from the italian newspaper courier delasser . nowhere more true, the second moment is about johnson's secret plan, the thesis of the publication in the career of de larassery, and in general, this is the title presented. well, and thirdly, this is how

this initiative is presented as johnson's attempt to organize some kind of alternative commonwealth to the european union, a commonwealth of those who have problems or are dissatisfied by brussels or germany . it all looks like, you know, some kind of russian informational provocation in order to split the western coalition that exists in support of ukraine, to dissolve it, roughly speaking, so i do not believe in any parallel alliances in any format, and in fact, if we talk about all the three quadrics and tens and various other groups, we saw that even poland was building a bunch of formats and three seas and five seas, and the visegrad four where is all this, you just know

, there is such a political advisory, i don't know what kind of platforms that do not really affect politics , only those associations in which the state members of these associations have clear legal obligations, er, one in relation to the european union and nato alone, and there are no alternatives to these associations. none of the member states will create either in relation to the european union or in relation to nato, so i think that we need to focus on speeding up legislative reforms and try to join the nato after the end of this war. thank you, mr. volodymyr, he is coming back to us, he is already in touch with us. igor kharchenko again, mr. igor. well, we interrupted you when you were talking about the fact that western leaders can call putin to measure the temperature of his madness, yes, and here we are, in

continuation, when the connection was broken, they said that the best way to measure the temperature of putin's madness is the american chimars, the french caesars, the harpoons from denmark, the british anvavs, so what news for ukraine from the fields of the nato parliamentary assembly, what is happening these days, what is the outlook of ukraine's accession to the alliance before we join the european union, in your opinion. and also about the substitute of the european union for ukraine, an idea that we heard earlier from european leaders and now we also heard from boris johnson of the british lee, how can we comment on what exactly are the strengths and weaknesses of this idea? i am asking mr. igor, the main problem is ours now, it is the problem of not only our world, how to destroy putin's regime, but we need to come out of this and know whether without nato or

with the eu whether without the eu or ukraine itself, countries and nato members are currently helping, helping the member states of the european union, helping to solve the main issue, which is to bring the putin regime to the level where it will no longer exist to represent a threat not only to ukraine but also to the world , this policy was formulated by washington, it was formulated by london, under this policy, the rammstein group of friends, or as they say, the anti-putin coalition in support of ukraine, was created precisely for this purpose, and this issue is the main issue of nato, however paradoxical it may sound from me because in 1997 i was the ukrainian diplomat who , almost 25 years ago, actually made kharkiv a special partnership with ukraine in 2008 in bucharest, nato already made a decision already ukraine

will be members now, the question is about that, i heard a comment from a colleague of the expert that the path to nato is easier, the political decision has already been made in the terms in which the international bureaucracy operates, it is a matter of time, when will it do it today, tomorrow, you know, i will say a paradoxical thing, now it is not important, because today the armed forces of ukraine they fulfill the role of the security council and over, that is, they bear the burden of ensuring the security of the world, which today converged on the territory of ukraine, and they show themselves very well , so the question now is not that er, can it be some kind of substitution. will it be difficult or not difficult? will it be a political decision regarding ukraine's membership in nato? today, the word "pedition" was mentioned.

ukraine does not need an action plan regarding membership . this is a decision. well, let's say that first of all political eyes, all the plans are there, i don't know, they just perform the function of measuring the temperature, whether this client is ready to become a member of the club. it seems to me that during the last for eight years, ukraine has more than proven that it does not need plans, it is currently implementing an action plan

for nato membership, and it is carrying out. our situation on the er battlefield, roughly speaking, the situation with the liberation of all ukrainian territories that are currently occupied by the russian federation regarding the issue of this idea about er, about which the part writes of the european press, which is allegedly moving away from boris johnson, you know very often in recent weeks, they especially compare the situation that we have with russian aggression with the situation that practically all of europe and half the world went through 75-80 years ago, these are the years of the second world war, so i will tell you that the british are the only country that

went through this war from the first to the last day on one side, that is, in one camp, and in fact it is the main winner of this second world war, so it is one of the key areas of the work britain then, during the second world war, had what they call information support today, and here they are. in this regard, i consider this , uh, personally, my point of view to be the best in the world, so everything that is aired in one way or another during the war years must be considered, let's see the answer to your first question from the point of view of how it may or may not help, first of all, our military efforts to eliminate the military potential of the aggressor, it is from this point of view

that the question must be looked at and answered well in fact, i would like to remind you that during his speech in zurich in 1946, it was winston churchill who uttered those words that european europe should unite and create something like the united states of europe, and today it is interpreted as this is the first message to the creation of the european union or the european union. here in sambor with johnson will he be a big supporter of his own education, let me remind you that he is the author of even such a biographical book, i really hope that after all he is also despite brexit, everything else also understands the importance of the european union, and in fact, if we have a little bit, there is still time. so, the only thing i wanted to clarify is if the decision on nato has been made, but in

nato there are also those political points and economic points, that is, it means that ukraine must also meet these criteria. and this is precisely to meet the criteria of democracy, to meet the criteria of the free market, democracy in ukraine remains fragile and from time to time we see signals even during the war that are not strong for us we still discuss them a little, understanding the need for consolidation in society. but once again , we will remind you that even this channel has suffered unsubstantiated and unspoken persecutions, let's say this, regarding the freedom of broadcasting and again and again this economic point of economic freedom remains a much more difficult question , from what we see, we do not see, no, no , there is no line and people who would now proclaim this line.

assistant svoboda, this also seems to be an important point, if we have the opportunity literally for a minute to exchange thoughts on this issue igor then let's start right away with you, you know i will not recover from a single word that i said hmm as i already said uh no 90% of everything that they say about medi and whether that member country responds or does not respond is a string or look at the history of it. i was probably the first ukrainian diplomat who went through nato in the early 90s. from large missions under nato of the great western country for 10 days. i worked as an employee of this mission together with a couple of diplomats from central-eastern europe who are already members of nato. nato is a

bureaucratic structure, but a fairly simple decision , like all international organizations, is made in the capital as a state. security decisions, they are easier to make because they are hidden deeper , there is no need to discuss much because the question is whether it is in the interest of national security or not in the interest of national security adopted at the highest political level, i repeat once again, always in 2008, the nato decision formalized the consensus that has already been formed, the decision is all in the period look at the history look at the member above who are the members now i as a diplomat we have a saying no names but look nato members there are a lot of countries that historically have,

let's say, historical issues with each other, nevertheless , they are all members of the defense alliance, and the defense of the nato alliance is primarily an attack on everyone . on anyone is an attack on everyone, this is what is called collective security, this is salt - this is the key moment of the alliance of the modern defense alliance. what is nato and no other effective structure in the world today is more effective, no matter how much we criticize nato . answers decisions are made in nato capitals, they have heard them, the political decision has already been made, they heard pl, volodymyr, what is your short reply, very short, if possible, the first thing is that ukraine is fast approaching everything that

it could be in the pdch then of all nato standards, especially it is moving with cosmic steps in the part of military command integration , and military-technical as regards the issues of freedom of speech, democracy, which economies, then yes, these issues will be important, but the situation will develop in this way, eh, in the event of the defeat of russia, it opens for nato and for the whole of europe, a window in order to uh, due to uh, acceptance of ukraine to the european to nato even despite the shortcomings of ukraine, according to some standards, ukraine can be quickly accepted by the results of the defeat of russia in this war, who can

resist hungary can resist turkey , germany is no longer an obstacle because germany opposed it when they thought that russia would play by the rules, russia did not plays by the rules in germany there are no such considerations, but whether erdoğan of ukraine will trade with sweden and finland is the question. thank you to our guests , we will remind you that we spoke with volodymyr experts in international politics and ihor kharchenko, a diplomat extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, and now we are moving on to the next part of our conversation today, in the morning marathon, and volodymyr aryev, the people's deputy of ukraine, is in touch with us. congratulations, mr. volodymyr. good day. we are talking about the european euro-atlantic integration of

ukraine and in parallel with our conversations, the fifth president of ukraine, petro poroshenko, is trying to cross the border for the third time to get to the summit of the european people's party and poroshenko turned to the current head of state volodymyr zelenskyi to assure that the opposition is working together with the authorities not to strengthen ukraine. secondly, how can obstacles affect the participation of the leader of the opposition on the results of the eu on june 23-24 regarding granting us the status of a candidate for membership in the european union and also how do you think those processes are viewed at the parliamentary assembly nato, which continues, emphasizes the swedish economist anders aslont that there are no unnoticed processes taking place inside ukraine, we actually

know that a lot of people in the west are very annoyed by such an agreement, we are here for the position and not only with the opposition with journalists, the history of yuri butusov and the conditional ban on visiting military units at ground zero in the area where the biggest fear is now of donetsk, lysychansk , and all this is recorded and monitored by our partners and it only gives uh, mm for opponents of ukraine's quick accession to the european union or nato, additional bodies to say, look, they are not ready yet, and here are just all such events that are arranged by the authorities, they are playing against ukraine and in the hands of our enemies, i really spoke with some people there e colleagues from the past and with

parlementarians from other countries are quite influential and they are simply very surprised at least some of the pettiness that is arranged with regard to poroshenko at the moment poroshenko, meanwhile, is demonstrating just the e question no he doesn't start the answer is to attack zelenskyi, he now addressed the president with respect and with a list of questions, informed him about the list of issues that he is ready to raise publicly at the summit of the european people's party, and this is the largest, i emphasize, party association in the european union, the european solidarity party is also an associate member of the european people's party, therefore, in this case, all these

obstacles are here, they just look very, very ugly, because if surkisu or shufrichi they even give the opportunity to go outside of ukraine, and the star, who was a partner of medvedchuk for decades, to perform at the only marathon, and at the same time, patriotically, the fifth president of ukraine is not allowed to go abroad in order for him to participate in the parliamentary assembly nato will promote the interests of ukraine on his personal or on european people's parties congresses where he will also promote the interests of ukraine and not his personal, having in his hands an official business trip and all documents and all permits, it is clear that it arbitrariness will be interpreted against ukraine and i am absolutely sure that with such pettiness the authorities act, who is trying, who

gives the orders to act harshly against the interests of ukraine, because the war was not always only uh, it was a battle on the fronts, but it is also diplomacy and uh, the economic component, and in particular, the diplomatic component where poroshenko is very strong and can uh, just cause additional uh, big uh, positive uh, steps for ukraine, er, he can really, er, about reasonedly rotate on it is the benefit of ukraine, even those who doubt it, to interfere with it so brazenly without law, well, only the enemy of ukraine, mr. volodymyr,

i will only give a short retort that it is not fair on your part to film against the background of a bookcase because it is impossible to fully concentrate on because you speak in small letters, it is impossible to read the names but i see that on your left shoulder you have europe, the norm for 9, this is also the history of america, bodies, this is a hint for the viewers who studied with me, what do you read there in your free time andriyu aha okay p volodymyr, i will try it, as you can ask such a knowledgeable, historical interlocutor such a difficult question, as it seems to me, that we have such a story as bulgakov, an interesting story happened, er, it is johnson's alleged statement that there is an allegedly alternative idea accession to the european union or how i will discuss the union, i like to talk like that, if you

allow me. published it with a reference to some secret, uh, it seems, johnson's plans, yes, that's how it is, in principle, that's right, fellow journalists also note that , in principle, no one in the west noticed it, except for this courier-desa publication, but here it is , in principle it is discussed with great enthusiasm, in particular, on various oligarchic channels, but i just have a question whether it might not be beneficial for one of the owners of these channels for ukraine to join the european union or its candidacy for what reasons, otherwise i simply cannot understand this look at the persistence of this discussion, let's go by the names a-a that kolomoisky categorically, well, it is beneficial to join the european union, that firtash firtar is currently in austria, and

criminal cases against him have not yet been closed, and the issue of traditions to the united states of america has not yet been finally closed and kolomoisky, who is also suspected by the american justice system of money laundering and embezzlement in simply fantastic record volumes for the world, he also does not want to be in the european union and in general, the oligarchs don't really want to be in the european union because there they have to live by the laws, i don't dictate the laws of society, so you can say that the european union is regulated , but it avoids, at least, well, it doesn't completely avoid the possibility of creating such quasi oligarchic influences, but significant limitations, well, hungary, unfortunately, there is history in the czech republic as well. and

they showed that especially in eastern europe, there are simply two for social political culture if a-a people with an oligarchic e- is like that this is a component, they can stop uh in power and uh, the only thing here is that the question is that they cannot fully control this power, being uh, controlled by legislation, therefore, the european system, in particular, justice, it does not allow this, ukrainian justice does not allow on the other hand , it has been working for many years on games in the interests of the oligarchs, and it will be very, very difficult for anyone to reform it in such a joint effort when they have a common interest in preserving this system. extremely we still have any news, but i still want to

ask ukraine's application for candidacy in the european union, which was filled out by ukraine, you tried to get this document as a people's deputy of ukraine, analyze its text , this document, but did not succeed, well, how does the situation look now, i know what you planned to contact the law enforcement agencies now, in this case, we are preparing documents because this issue is now a question of refusal to respond to the law at the request of a people's deputy of ukraine, and it is simply necessary legally to prepare it correctly, now my assistants are dealing with the preparation of the documents, we will definitely contact you. because in this case, i honestly just want to start a series when, even if now they will let us get to know this document, in particular, the questionnaire. i don't want to because in this case