and how to save the situation, they don't think or they didn't even think about it, please. i think they didn't think . i want to add to you. the listeners don't know yet, i, as a local, know that the current is a big poison and gets into the soil. and these groundwaters go to the sea down to the lowlands , we'll figure it all out. and now you understand that mariupol mariupol district is not only city metal and donbas is not only where coal is. and there is also azov fashion and the holiday season should start on the first of june, and the current goes from the city of mariupol, melekina, yalta, but in yudyvka it goes in the direction of

berdyansk, we have to understand that all this will go and the people who will bathe 100% there will be people swimming there and diseases will start, so it is necessary to agree with you to attack and do something. it is possible for an international organization that has environmental organizations, the red cross or someone else, to help the local residents. first of all, not this father, but the local residents, to save the city of mariupol, which we have to rebuild after the liberation. by the way, i suggest radhetny pardogan in zelenskyi to meet with putin through the mediation of the un. perhaps this topic was raised there, well , if such a meeting were held, because there it is unlikely to talk about any agreements it is necessary to acquire them in the battle for an out about decussation. you could say the organization of the united nations. maybe they somehow got involved. well, tell me one more thing, please, is there any information, well, more or less something

it has been confirmed how many of our ukrainians were killed and innocently killed in mariupol as a result of these hostile actions. maybe i understand that people have lost communication with us, unfortunately, i think that people will continue to die in mariupol, we are fine we understand that people who have experienced terrible stress, terrible terrible blows, er, they continue to die even after, well, already in the occupation . unfortunately, it was dmytro chernytsia, as the head of the mongoose district state administration, just the threat of er, cadaverous poison falling into the sea, that's what it's the truth. it's something you can't run away from and can't be stopped by the russians with roadblocks. it is with great pleasure that we join oleksiy granya in the conversation. he is the scientific director of the yak kucherev foundation and a professor of the department of political science at the kyiv-mohyla academy. oleksiy. greetings . good afternoon. i'm with you today. not empty -handed with the results today we are surveying you today we will

talk with you as a sociologist well as with a person who deals with these things are very important and i call my morning just thought that it's been a long time since i heard the opinions of the citizens on many issues. and you did it very well. come on, i know there are several points that are important in principle. let's start with what you wanted to start with, and i then it is possible to integrate into the european union well , this is the 96th day of the war. how did the mood of the people change and did it affect the preferences of the population of ukrainian citizens ? to be conducted, and the rating was joined, the township joined, that is, surveys are being conducted. but in this survey of ours, this is the first, because for the first time during the war, a survey was conducted face-to-

face, that is, face-to-face, and the other survey was conducted in telephone mode with a random telephone sample, and that is why it was interesting to see if it coincides or not coincides in general coincided and on individual results i will stop immediately and make a caveat that we conducted surveys only in 11 regions of the west and center and this is due to the fact that we actually decided to conduct it among people who permanently live in this territory, yes. that is, we did not take into account displaced persons. because here it is quite difficult to make a sample and so on. that is, it is limited to the measure from the center, but the results are quite revealing because we compared compared them from the survey about these same regions that were done before the war and what we see means it is not surprising that support for european integration is growing, 74%

of the population of the western and central regions of ukraine is in favor of joining nato, but here what it is important that we gave an alternative, we said that and what will happen if you are offered a non-bloc status with security guarantees. that is, this is exactly what we, ah, well , here you show the choice between the eu and the eurasian economic union, everything is clear, z is growing with e-e with russia all this collapsed almost to zero. but if you show further, then there will be further support for joining nato and non-bloc status. turning later, we will show the second bloc, which already showed a status with security guarantees for ukraine of only 13%. only 13%. 74% still say that

no, we need to join nato and i think that the population here understands very well that even if they give us these security guarantees that are being discussed now and they are obviously not the security guarantees that are recorded in the fifth article of washington and the washington treaty, well, besides we hear that there will be security grants, in particular, well , except for the usa, great britain, china , israel, turkey, well, to put it mildly, there is no special help from them, yes. even turkey, we are proud self-supporters, but turkey is even up to sanctions did not join so here it is very important to understand that the real help reaches us, after all, it is the countries of nato and the european union

. it is er it understands so and if we talk about er we asked the question of who is responsible for this war in the first place er it is clear that it is the leadership of russia that is 96%. it is clear that 54% believe that the responsible citizens of russia are correct, and here i have it an interesting surprise for western ukraine and what about lviv residents and lviv residents they told us, that is, the residents of the region they said now i will give you a number they said that your screen is covering me they are only 23 residents of the lviv region they said that the

fault lies with citizens of russia well in ternopil 22 and in khmelnytskyi 21, that is, the average 54% of the massif believe that the responsibility lies with the citizens of russia 23% of lviv residents think only 23% of lviv residents for some reason this is a mystery and there is one more question i think it is possible thank god thank you the armed forces of ukraine and those regions that received the main blow and simply these citizens of russia, thank god, did not reach here, although among the local residents of western ukraine, many families lost their husbands , sons, parents in the war, so the question is where, once again, western ukraine got out for some reason. well, now for a second. we asked the question, the reason for the war means 80% say that the war is a consequence

of russia's foreign policy, and only seven percent say that it is ukraine's desire to join nato, and for some reason. the figure turned out to be larger. now i can't find it now uh now now now one second one second ah but when i need it i can't find it and for some reason in lviv oblast a larger number of people think that it is precisely because of uh because of the aspirations of ukraine to join nato arose , this war began again, the majority in lviv oblast, of course, believe that this is connected with russia's policy, but 17% of the population of lviv oblast

believe that the russian-ukrainian war became possible precisely because of ukraine's desire to join i am asking you . in that you say that the war did not reach western ukraine directly, thank god, and the blow was taken by the east , south, and the center, and therefore it is possible. there really are these sentiments, they are more than the north, they did not name me it is still north and our heroic one. i would like us to look at this slide now. well, it shows how the

attitude of ukrainians has changed towards certain countries that are actively helping us in this war. it is also very interesting that there is great trust in the composition of great britain. well, perhaps here the most johnson's visit was also publicized, and we talk about it a lot, but let's say to estonia, which in terms of aid to the country's gdp gave the most in general, that is, if you have 100 hryvnias, you gave out 90 hryvnias, you gave more than those who had a million dollars and he gave a thousand dollars, yes, if you can comment here. yes, i see that you are showing this slide and you see that estonia also increased. we are on this with the help of these republics, this is the baltic countries, and because we offered to choose the three most - three answer options, i.e. the largest allies, and it is clear that the usa,

great britain, and er, and poland, yes. therefore, it is simply connected with the i wonder what's interesting about it estonia also increased. yes, from four percent to seven percent, this is the number of ukrainians who consider this small country one of the biggest allies of ukraine and very important . concessions, we know that some people are starting to talk about these concessions in the west. there, kisin fats are whitewashed with a small letter , that is, in the plural. let's say that russia stops its aggression. are you

ready to recognize crimea as part of russia for this 2%. i say, are you ready to restore the water supply to the occupied crimea, 2% say, do you want to withdraw the export, do you want to give it up for the sake of this retreat to nato, only 7%. 78% of ukrainians say that he does not support any concessions, yes, and i think that this is the one time we asked ukrainians. and what do you consider a victory in general, or are you ready for negotiations with russia for the sake of it, that means 44%, it is important that we will not have time, look, i will finish and then i will tell you about your topic, because it can be your second topic comment many people no, only you can see i will say and that is what it means let me finish, that is, 44% of ukrainians who say that

negotiations with russia are only on humanitarian issues, only another 34% say that there will be no negotiations until the withdrawal of russian troops from ukraine, that is, ukrainians remain very radical and not attuned to any concessions from russia, and i would like your comment, i will tell you very briefly why i turned it off, lost t2, espresso channel, direct and fifth, we could not understand for a long time, and finally councilor su of the president of ukraine mykhailo podolyak gave an interview to oleh bazar for lb and liv about the fact that the channels from the so-called floor of petro poroshenko, although from the press it does not belong to petro poroshenko. they are causing harm due to the narcissism of the ex-president, we have a comment now, we will hear mr. podolyak and then i will continue, let

's go back a little bit, a little bit, to the information policy. what was the reason for turning it off from the air, three channels are loyal to petro poroshenko, this is a question of the security council, this is a question of the unified information policy of the state, during the war, they broadcast partly a marathon, partly yes, and partly broadcast a person who is very much in love with us, there are many narcissists, i understand that in our country, politics is built on narcissism as such, we we often sell daffodils by the way, this is again a question of the professional quality of the information space of ukraine. let's put it this way, the owner, the indirect owner of the channels, and i don't really understand why, during the war, this narcissism, all of their narratives are sold in this form within the framework of a single information packet, now start talking about

narcissists who are parasites on the air of national television, but uh, the damage it causes uh, the subject petro oleksiyovych is much bigger because he is not the reason for the other narcissism when you just sell yourself because you want to monetize there well, somewhere at a certain level yes it is one thing yes it is not professionally, but it's a small pity, but it's another matter when you can't come to terms with the fact that you lost, and in order to somehow compensate subconsciously for this, you can go to any information destroyer violated this neutrality pact that was supposedly at the beginning of the war by the way, they spent a lot of time on it, because i believe that it is already a missing unit, it's just that it has a resource, including a media one. not

do you want to talk about that time, there is no time, i would tell you the numbers about patriotism and ukrainians, and i would tell you very, very briefly, well, first of all, this is all very cynical, but uh, secondly, you know, it all really looks like a political massacre, it will be consumed, it is terribly small yazkova, do you understand what we saw twice: they don't allow a deputy to the un parliamentary assembly, and the second time they tell him that you don't have all the documents, that is, i mean the signature of the head of the parliament, and by the way, in case of incapacity, god forbid the president our function is performed by the speaker of the parliament, which means the signature of the speaker of the parliament on the business trip - this is insufficient documents, so we understand that the government is instructing the border guard because of the telephone

right not to release him, listen, and this is such pettiness, vindictiveness, and this is not something to comment on, you know, sometimes, okay i won't be here, yes, during the war, to use some means to say harsh words, but yes, this shows that, unfortunately, our government, in addition to what it will do now to win, and it is doing to win on everyone is working for victory, but some people in power solve their own problems, including the advisor of the head of the information policy office, mr. podalyak, well, i'm sorry, who is mr. podalyak, he simply means a political technologist, or a political technologist who develops certain bank messages . well, but i guess they took the party into their own hands and put the government in their hands. how can i use them? it occurred to me to use these theses, well, which simply cannot

withstand any criticism. and by the way, this person represents ukraine at the negotiations. in istanbul well, i think that it is not serious, to put it mildly, yes, and who also said that we will have better security guarantees than in the fifth article of nato, so i return to what ukrainians think, they understand the situation better and they understand that better than nato, no one will give us security guarantees 74% of our survey of the west and center of ukraine for joining nato thank you very much for your work in this sociological field and for your comment on podolyak's statements oleksiy haran, scientific director of the inika kucheva foundation, where he was with us professor of the department of political science of the kyiv-mohyla academy by the way, because of his narcissism, it reminds him of the 30s of the last century, as they say he was a japanese spy

or something, they say he did not commit any crime there, but he could have thrown a person behind bars because of that. he did not like her, or at one time you removed from kuchma the late already respected politician yevgeny krylovych marchuk from the post of prime minister of ukraine that in the old days there in the 90s because of what marchuk said kuchma began to form his own political image well, it's just a competitor, we're afraid to remove it, it's such an old story in ukrainian and in ukrainian politics it's just that, well, that is, there are channel owners, the owner of the espresso channel has nothing to do with petro poroshenko at all, it's his money, it's his interest, it's his work. well, that is, he, we work for ourselves and there, because someone thought something, you do not actually level the work of a whole team of people and the money of a person who invests money in express in this difficult time . we hope that all this will be corrected and once again you are creating support for president zelenskiy , it must be corrected yulia osmolovska is in touch with us

diplomat head of the board of the trans-atlantic dialogue center ms. yulia greetings good day we will only discuss the topics, but i would like to start for sure everything after all, from this sixth package of sanctions, many people read their comments about how the usa and britain stand against the old europe, some want victory over putin , others don’t want to or don’t understand how it will be at all look and that this sixth package of sanctions will not be approved, because there are many who disagree and are timid, tell us what is really happening inside the european union and why this consensus cannot be reached in certain directions, please , if we are already talking about the sixth package of sanctions, we know that its main bone of contention there precisely the question of maintaining an e-e embargo on energy carriers from russia, in particular on oil, and those proposals submitted to the european commission regarding the possibility of a gradual ban on e-e exports to

the import of russian oil until the end of this year and for the import during i apologize to the six-members and for the import of russian oil products until the end of 2020 , the issue is actually now formed because of the intransigent position of hungary in particular, which believes that due to its vulnerability and dependence on russian oil and the orientation of its refineries precisely under the technology of processing russian oil, the brand has no possibility now of russian oil there is no possibility now to quickly exit without economic losses for its economy in support of this oil from russia and, accordingly, hungary requires a special transition period and financial assistance from the european union, but it is precisely around these parameters of such

assistance and the peculiarities of the transition period and now at the point in italy, in principle, if you are guided by the public rhetoric of mr. orban, then you cannot to say that it is completely devoid of economic sense from his position and in principle and he is already saying that in principle he is not against the position of hungary regarding the previous five packages of sanctions and hungary's position on supporting the european council's versailles declaration in march of this year is evidence that hungary does not actually take a separate position against russian aggression and the introduction of sanctions to punish russia for its invasion of ukraine, but there is a question of economic balance directly for hungary, and if it will be resolved, because it will be resolved in the near future, not within 48 hours, unfortunately, and this to the meeting of the european council, since we already have a statement from the

head of the european commission, the whole background deryanin that such a decision will not be made within 40-8 hours, but it will be in the near future and let's hope that such a decision will be reached. that the european commission did not hold preliminary negotiations with individual countries in preparation for such a decision and immediately made a proposal to introduce this oil park on russian oil and did not need to know what the economic consequences could be for individual countries and that's why the hunchbacks say that it was necessary to hold such negotiations first and then come up with an appropriate solution, so i analyze this situation from the point of view that there is an opportunity for an agreement , there is a field of agreements and the statement of the federal chancellor of the federal republic of germany sun that such a compromise is, in principle , possible to achieve it is simply because it will not be

tomorrow as we would like to get it well, i just read this analysis today about what is actually an oil barge on the part of the european union, it will not significantly affect russia's income from trade they will buy more oil from it than they bought in the european union, and the prices were cheaper in larger volumes, but here the question is again important whether it will possibly cause a certain blow to russia there, some image, some other, but the question is whether it will cause a financial blow, because we understand it's great that the biggest problem now is money in russia that it can spend on war . his situation is a kind of geopolitical paradox when the european union unanimously condemns russia for auto registration in ukraine and tries to put this responsibility on russia and,

accordingly, with coercive measures, to force it to change its behavior at the same time, receiving profits by paying off russia for its energy carriers, it actually supports its own existence to the russian budget, which then goes to cover the costs of these military adventures. that is, there is this understanding , but unfortunately, so far there are no effective mechanisms as to get rid of such dependence on russia in the near few months ago. the situation regarding the diversification of energy supply sources and supplies to the european union is not new, and 15 years ago, germany undertook to diversify its energy supply sources. actually, analysts claim that in 15 years, practical measures have not been achieved with overnight progress on this issue. now, in a few months, we want to solve the problem that

has existed for the european union for years, well, now zelensky can talk about putin, and now there should also be i understand the head of the secretary general of the united nations, but about erdogan , people who know more about this topic, more about the fact that erdogan is in a very difficult situation right now, because there is no good option for him, the best option for him is if everything it will end very quickly and, in principle, the situation will stabilize, perhaps in some way, because russia is also interesting to him, and ukraine is interesting to him, and the tourist season is interesting to him. win if not is somehow in control of the situation, that's why he's trying, probably even more than macron, and he's trying to bring zelensky to the negotiating table with putin in order to at least agree on something and put this war on hold. will he be able to do it ? zelensky to go to these talks and if to go to these talks in the format

of the united nations, zelensky and putin, what to talk about the environmental disaster in mariupol and let's save the whole world because it could be a problem about the exchange of prisoners, what can we talk about speak now, please, well, this is exactly the configuration of the possible participants in these negotiations , and it makes us assume that it is actually about the problems around mariupol, the release of the conditions for the release of the ukrainian fighters of azov, who were, who left azovstal, and participation in these processes as a mediator of the united nations organization and the turkish side, because we know that he was also involved in this and there was information in several sources that gan actually and his personal e-e in his personal reputation as he put the guarantees of the fulfillment of these agreements with the russian side on the table because of broader issues we have not yet seen there a

global context for the entire agenda we have not seen exactly such a configuration of players that turkey and the un would be both at the same time and therefore considering this conversation which has already taken place today between mr. murdogan and mr. putin, and the rhetoric of the tech centers that publish the relevant offices of the president and the roofing service, what was it about, talks about what is just possible. eh, previous decisions regarding mariupol and the ukrainian prisoners of war already on the russian side, eh, because the turkish side refers to the fact that eh, erdoğan is ready to discuss already specific parameters and mechanisms if both sides are ready in principle, if we are talking about a broad general maturation of contributions for of negotiations to date, it does not exist, because for

this, both sides must understand, and russia , first of all, that its interests are not satisfied, because there is a special way in this way because of its military incursions into ukraine and it has to resolve the issue, there is an opportunity to resolve the issue through opillia through the joint search for problems well, this is a classic of negotiations er, that is, there is a question er between us . we spoke with yulia , a diplomat from smolov, head of the board of the center of the trans-atlantic department. and there is a connection, yes. yuri, please, you just didn't hear. i thought that you had already lost connection. solving all your questions through