well, this is a people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the verkhovna rada committee on law enforcement, and a co-author of the draft law 5708, which proposes to give ukrainians the right to own weapons for personal self-defense, at least we are definitely taking a step further. in the conditions of the war and i wanted to believe that we are actually in the same field with our colleagues, in particular, in the single marathon , in general, in the information policy of our state but we cannot ignore the points that are already being thrown at us by the representatives of the espresso tv channel, some kind of repressive actions. we are talking about disconnecting us from t2 by the rrt concern, and that is why part of our viewers do not have

access to our content. in the end, we are glad that those who is watching us now, everyone who remains with us , and we are with you, dear viewers. at the same time, for a long time, we tried to get from the representatives of the president's office some kind of interpretation that the decision of the artek concern correlates with the decision of the nsdc, i don't know or by the decree of the president or in any other way, there is nothing indicated about the fact that it is necessary to exclude, uh, some specific tv channels from some specific sites and sites and literally yesterday, we finally received an answer to our question, this answer was given to us by mykhailo podolyak , adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine let's listen to him, let's go back a little bit, a little bit, to the information policy, ah, what was the purpose of disconnecting three channels from the marshmallow, eh, loyal to petro poroshenko, this is a matter of the security council, this is a question of the unified information policy of the state during the

war, they broadcast partly a marathon, partly yes, and partly broadcast a person who is very much in love with us, there are many narcissists, i understand that in our country, politics is built on narcissism as such, we often sell narcissists. by the way, this is again a question of the professional quality of the information space of ukraine. if you are selling narcissus, who is empty inside yes, and there, well, the meaning is that this person is in love and she is in love with herself, let's say so, the owner is the indirect owner of the channels and i don't really understand why during the war this narcissism, all of their narratives are sold in this form within the framework of a single information packaging, now we can talk about narcissists who are parasites on the air of a national telethon, which can lie, but the damage caused to the subject petro oleksiyovych is much greater than that that he is no reason in another narcissist when you just sell yourself because you

want to monetize there well somewhere at a certain level yes it is one thing yes it is not professional but it is a small pity and another matter when you are everything cannot come to terms with the fact that you lost, and in order to somehow compensate subconsciously for this, you can go on any destroyer because he violated this neutrality pact that was supposedly at the beginning of the war, by the way, i spent too much time on him because i believe that this is a missing unit, it’s just that he has a resource, including a media one. well, that’s the information from mykhailo podolyan. but the main thing is that he honestly stated that these excuses from some ukrainian officials were personally broken by the adviser to the head of the office, mr. podolyan. he said so through daffodils well, what kind of narcissist is here, why is poroshenko here? well, in any case , let's talk about this and other things with natalia ligachova

, media expert, head of detector media , editor-in-chief of the website detector media, glory to ukraine, mrs. nataliya, well, i just wanted to remind you today we had him on the air today imagine and together with him the deputy from the voice of solomiya bobrovska we just turned on the deputy from the servant of the people well directly i don't know from the race of daffodils for god's sake so what do you think lies behind that strange decision and why podolyak finally voiced the official for unofficial reasons, yes, it is meant podolyak voiced what were the people in the president's office guided by throwing out three tv channels from the t2 network although if the pro forma of ownership, well, the espresso tv channel does not belong to poroshenko well, why now and why, exactly, podolyak, uh, said well, really, what is uh, is not in the sense that there is narcissism, a narcissist, it's let the

psychotherapists decide who is a narcissist and who is not a narcissist , but he said well, he practically said about uh, well political reasons for turning off tv channels, and it is interesting that he talked for a long time there, reflecting on petro poroshenko, as if forgetting that, at least for this reason, there is no such rule that it is possible to turn off three tv channels. it is difficult for me to understand why the authorities did not communicate for so long, well , they communicated in such a way that it was unclear who exactly turned it off, and now we do not understand who exactly turned it off, but the reason was announced, well, on the other hand, it was a gift to everyone that mr. podolyak did not even know. he did not sneeze or cough when he tried to apologize to people who, until recently,

served the interests of the information bear and not only who are now the faces, so to speak , of the unified information policy, such a strange story, we are really on facebook, there is such a good response to this that when he said that we should give tv presenters a chance medvedchuk's former tv presenter, because now they have sided with ukraine, and someone wrote, and there are presenters and journalists, the tv channel of the switched-off tv channels, that is, you don't have to give it to others, although they didn't have to side with ukraine, they were always there i am not pro-ukrainian in any way, i say that the tv channels were perfect and we criticized a lot, and we, first of all, because there was a peeing in the real government before but really, during the war,

these three tv channels were not only you and even direct well, they decided to give up such a mochilov and even this event, er, hmm, and regarding the turning off of tv channels, and when right now there, er, medvedchuk, er, the accuser of the accusations, er, some poroshenko, well, they presented it rather discreetly, so we compared well but if you analyze it toolkit in order to protect the interests of both ukrainian tv viewers and journalists, we understand that at one time any restriction of freedom of speech was perceived in the european union as extremely active and critical, now we understand that the war is at the top of all the news, but on the other hand, no one has canceled

reactions from the european union to the ukrainian state's adherence to the principles of a normal pro-european state that claims membership in the european union unconditionally and tasks television channels, i spoke with quite a lot of them and they do not accept the refusal of the authorities and certainly do not accept yesterday's statements of mykhailo podolyak , that is, this is really a departure from the principle of freedom of speech, this is a blow to these journalists tv channels, that is, uh, well, it doesn’t lend itself to logic. why do it during a war, and even more so, it’s not clear. well, we understand why, but it’s not

. how would you rate natalya in general? the only information policy that currently exists in our country and is based on, in particular, i would like to believe in it. this is how the world understands what is happening in ukraine, because very often, it is not so. commenting here, yes, there are ours, in particular, the works of ukrainian journalists, that is what is relied on, in particular, in the western world when it comes to our war, and when we look there, i don’t know the marathon, if there is a speck of criticism now will it be considered something destructive in the conditions of war? i don’t even know personally, from time to time i have some questions for my colleagues about the environment of documents in the national marathon

. prizes that gave birth to ukrainian journalists as a whole, although there was a problem with defining what for, but nevertheless, our military correspondents work heroically and very professionally, but definitely before the marathon. butusov said in an interview with ukrainska pravda yesterday that uh, and those who are fighting now at the front, uh, very heavy battles are taking place and they would hope for more such relevant information about military events, at least definitely, well, during the war, we really understand that there should be military censorship and restrictions and censorship itself because of war, and most journalists there, for example, support the decision that we do not report the number of

our dead and so on, but uh, these are rose-colored glasses. there was once a discussion among such top emotionalists, we already said that if our propaganda, er, what they are engaged in, of course, is a national marathon, in particular, propaganda, it informs a lot, but also propaganda, elements of propaganda are er, it er, will be very large-scale and will distort reality very someday it will hit the beavers in the society, there may be a big disappointment from the reality that will not meet the inflated expectations, that is, as i said about the fact that the national marathon would like to have more of such a balanced approach to everything that is happening well , at one time i was touched, so to speak, by the days of brezhnev , and there was always glory of the cpsu

. this virtual reality is real, and when the encounter with harsh reality came, i don't know, they were extremely surprised, and there was a fear that this, i don't know, weak glorified fanfare and so on, so that they would not darken or overshadow the real the situation in reality consists not only of the situation on the fronts, which should be commented on by leading experts and military active military retired military, but it also applies to issues of domestic policy. of these or other legislative initiatives, if there is no deterrent to them, well

, accordingly, then we may be unpleasantly surprised. well, we really have to understand that the national marathon should be well, in general, the information policy eh the power of the state eh should be such that it should be such that there is a provision of this e balance and representation of political forces and e balanced information about political events because it e already appears politics in us if the first weeks there are even months of war. well, everything was prohibited during the war. and now, some laws are already being adopted. today, the ombudsman was removed, and i think that there will be spears already, and the procedures are already involved. and the reasons for dismissal, that is, little by little

eh, we are already definitely returning to the information society and to domestic politics, therefore we will definitely demand more and more from society, civil society, that uh, we also mentioned the general generally accepted democratic principles of journalism ms. natalya, another interesting event should happen literally tomorrow in the first a summer day at 4:30 p.m. the press center of the interfax-ukraine news agency should start a briefing . it would be a press conference. how exactly does russian propaganda work, actually, with the participation of ovsyannikova herself, who was fired from the first channel for protesting on live air, and how do you feel about such trips to ukraine by such very ambiguous personalities? well

, many people reacted positively to those steps what did she do on the live broadcast, many people were skeptical about whether this is not the work of the russian special services at all, in particular to create the image of good russians who are against all bad things , thank god eh, in any case, in interfax there will be no oat flour tomorrow. i personally, by the way, contacted oleksandr martynenko, and he confirmed this to me. i wrote that oleksandr is a pure provocation. and i am very sorry that western journalists and the west in general are subject to such things as the situation well, i call it a case of oatmeal. who am i? well, i don’t want to. we don’t know the full information. it was sincere remorse or it was a special operation of the russian special services. i don’t know. it

could be both, but well. i’m sorry, let a russian journalist travel to kyiv now. even there he announced that someone should cry something there against the war in ukraine and tell how russian propaganda works. well, kamon, we know how russian propaganda works no better than the russians. let them tell russia how russian propaganda works . that would be really good. i think that the only thing we need to do here is to er ignore such things and events. but regarding the problem of good russians, good russians, well, this problem will become more and more noisy because er, well, very large amounts of money are being spent on this, i think. including me not me i am sure that crimea is also directly involved in this. well, history has been affected, so to

speak, with the bearers of russian narratives, not only, so to speak, not immigration to the blessed europe, but the same applies to ukraine. well, accordingly, the issue here is procedural . to prove with documentary evidence that certain characters were involved in the distribution of the kremlin’s secretaries, well, under the auspices, of course, of ukrainian journalists, tv channel employees, who in particular belonged to medvedchuk, because petitions are petitions. but maybe there is some mechanism who could concretely prove that what was voiced by this or that propagandist medvedchukivskyi was in fact a purposeful action and not just one or the other i don't know is a false false story we remember all those stories about involvement i don't know where i don't want to list this is a series, well, now there are quite a lot of specialists who, as far as i know, collect,

first of all, e.e. video evidence, text evidence and will definitely be submitted to e.e. courts, cases will be opened and we are talking about international courts, that is uh, i won't get ahead of myself, but uh, i want to assure you that uh, many people are working on it right now, and it certainly cannot be that there are only some petitions and statements, but we really have to work to make sure that it is not enough in the end, it is extremely important to reach the judges and have the sentences handed down. thank you, ms. natalia. well, let's hope that the werewolves will be removed from our ukrainian information broadcasting, so to speak.

on the air of the espresso tv channel, before proceeding to the conversation with our next guest, there are some important news that the security services of ukraine please us with, or rather, let's say that they are pleased with the effectiveness of their work, and not with the presence of such a phenomenon in our country. on the other hand, before the war, he did not use the formula e about the suitcase, the station and the final destination, so to speak, the security service of ukraine is gradually publishing the testimony of the russian occupiers that their mantra is really changing from the one that was before, we did not know where we are going we were deceived by all the training and in general we were very wrong, ask us now, the russian invaders are telling us that they are going to war by signing consent to the killing of civilians, the new captured invaders no longer tell the sbu investigators that they came to ukraine for training, these stories were at the beginning, now they already understand that they will be given, will be given orders to kill ukrainian civilians, and we received the

order right away. excuse me in the original language, and write . i agree that we are going to kill peaceful citizens of ukraine. i wrote a report on the 29th, some they wrote the refusal with a knife, polit said, sign the airport again, if you don’t go, they will send you to the lip or just fire you, says this prisoner . chopotova came to ukraine for a visit and visited irpin and borodyanka, which were destroyed by russian troops, because in borodyanka and irpen, she saw with her own eyes the traces of the destruction brought in russian soldiers hundreds of kilometers to the east and south of ukraine, thousands of other civilians of ukraine, women , men and children, are still facing such devastation, but the most important thing is that the city of poltava she did not come empty-handed. slovakia provides zuza howitzers of the same name. turkey will not change its position regarding the blockade

of nato's new expansion if sweden and finland do not meet its demands, turkish president tayre gepp erdogan said. he published a column in the magazine for icons explaining the position of turkey and also criticizes a number of nato countries for the geopolitical short-sightedness of recent years. i hope he means the rejection of our country in the ranks of the alliance. guest, we have already had time to talk about journalism during the war, in particular, about information policy in general, and here it must be said that the eyes of this war are also photojournalists and photocorrespondents who let the world understand what crimes the russian federation is capable of and what exactly it is carrying out on the territory of our country simply here and now efren lukatsky photojournalist of the correspondent of the usa and tedpress and honored journalist of ukraine is now with us on the connection efremov we congratulate you thank you for joining

glory to ukraine glory to the heroes what a great thing you have quite extensive experience of working in many, so to speak, hot spots. the first thing i would like to ask you about is, after all, what is the current situation in ukraine that perhaps surprises you in some sense, why is it different from the one you through e- have you seen your lens in other hot places, you know war, wars, they are similar, they are everywhere in all countries, they are cruel, peaceful people die, so it is especially different because this is my motherland, when i worked there in afghanistan or in the mountains, because there are chechens, what is there in other countries it's always me i knew that everything is fine in my country. i can come home to rest, no one is shot, no one is killed. and now it is happening in our territories of our country

, well, the feeling is a little different, you know, it hurts the heart, we understand that there are certain professional limitations for the work of journalists reporters and photographers during the war in ukraine, there are restrictions on the work of journalists, you know, no one wants to show when he kills, he does not want to show it when a person is suffering, then she agrees to show it and says take it, watch it for example, in the case of the sector and gas, when i was filming there , they have it going on all the time, you know, the political war, uh, the first impression was the strongest. when the rocket hit the car with one and i was not far away, i was there with a camera, the car was on fire, people were taking out the cars, more wagons of the wounded and they

are not looking for an ambulance they are looking for a person with a camera and here when they saw that i was with a camera they grabbed this parallel and ran to me and ran straight into the camera shoot him shoot shoot this is what they did curses there the israelis and so on know this very well when they tried to use you essentially as a weapon in the opposition of their people, the truth, well, accordingly, the question of the limits of censorship, just now natalya oligachova and i analyzed the very strange behavior of our president's administration, which was admitted by the mouth of mr. podolyak so three tv channels were thrown out of the t2 network because of the narcissism of certain ukrainian politicians, probably referring to petro poroshenko in particular. and what are the limits of censorship in general possible under

time of war, censorship during war, you know that wars are primarily caused by the press, it is the press. well, as you know, it is difficult to separate where information war and where the objective press works, you know, it is almost impossible to separate, for example , the relationship to the war in ukraine russians, you know, yes, 80%, they are for this war, and why are they for what they watch, read their press, watch television, they are under the influence of their mills, that's why the press is a weapon, you know, it 's terrible and it's like a nuclear weapon, maybe even stronger than nuclear weapons. it is she who incites people to kill each other, you know, so, well , in any case, the espresso tv channel does not incite any i do not know, god forbid, of course, but war crimes and so on. we call only

to defend our state, our ukraine and our people, i think that this is an absolutely normal position, the truth of christianity. please tell me if this has ever happened, did you feel like a target, especially here in ukraine, is there an understanding that the occupiers , the interventionists, are just trying to turn a blind eye to photojournalists journalists who work in the field directly no they want to show what they want to use you in their own way tries at least you know i many times more who even during her you have not seen such moments when one word and she completely changes the essence of this events of ugu, for example, i saw conversations among foreign correspondents during

the exhumation in bucha. and here one of the foreign correspondents says that not only russia but ukraine also fired, maybe this is a victim of shelling from the ukrainian side, i look at the faces of foreign correspondents, they have this opinion , you have to study it already, you understand one word and it completely changes absolutely everything, that's why you can even under a photo, you can sign, you can sign that it's a war or that you know what it's called in russia for an operation, so yevgena, i i cannot but ask you about your colleagues in this war, and one of them is dmytro kozatsky with the call sign orest, who was the head of the press service of the azov regiment before he left azovstal and went to my after such

wanted to consider the evacuation, he er sent er some of his photos in good quality so that , perhaps, er his colleagues could use them in some contests and competitions for journalism and photojournalism in the world er, what do you know about orest, in particular, about his works and is there a chance to earn some kind of prize for him in particular with his works i really want it you know i take off my hat to his work as they say and i really respect everything he did you know photography is every photo especially in documentary of course this history, it tells a lot, you know, there is one photograph about which a book can be written. and here are the photographs of dmytro dmytro kozatskyi , they are absolutely about this, especially since these are events about which a

lot will be said and written in the future, it is about the defense of the azov regiments of mariupol, we have very little we have very little information very little, but the photos are just what we have, they can tell a lot, i think you will show them. have you come across such cases when russian intervenors deliberately hunted down workers mass media well of course but of course but not the way you say it is wrong what are they hunting with a rifle no they are hunting for the skill of these journalists thank you it is definitely enough mr yefremova thank you for this inclusion efren lukatsky photojournalist of the us correspondent and here the press honored journalist of ukraine

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