and because most of the parents have gone to work, we really hope that we will succeed. that most of us children will somehow be able to stay on the island. it is very gifted. this is andriy degtyarenko. the public channel is the first. if possible, the first question will be what personal thing you remember. how did you meet on the morning of february 24 how did you find out about the full-scale invasion and how did your life change after that? i remember i even talked about it already and i don't really like this memory. i think none of us had a more unhappy morning in our lives. i woke up from strange explosions that could be heard around kyiv, probably everywhere and my husband was no longer around. i went to the next room and saw that he was already dressed. and by the way, that was the last time i saw him in a suit and a shirt. well and i

mean, you don't even understand what to ask, you automatically ask what happened, he said it started and left, and from that moment we almost didn't see each other. to be honest, i mean, you were like everyone, it seems to me that you don't understand what at all what to do with children, what to stay in, what will happen to stay, what to do well, the first days were filled with despair, i guess, like everyone else, hmm, but at the same time, i remember even writing a post on social networks, like when i saw our people, what they do, how they behave, it was so filling me with pride that we are like that i was immediately sure that we would win with such people. i

think we just shouldn't have attacked it in the first place, but i'm sure that we 'll just survive. to continue to function in a normal state. i know that you had an idea, you said about it, to create a national service of psychological help. and how do you see how it should function, what resources are needed for this, well, huge resources, first of all , because it should be a national system and it is clear that it is very timely. and we should have carried out this work even before the war a long time ago and separately since the 14th year, this issue was already timely, but now it is finally... joined forces . by the way, this week we will have an interdepartmental meeting

working group on this issue. i also want to hear from our representatives of the ministries what opportunities they have and what we will do in the first steps , because the problem is really huge that we are reclaiming our territories, this will not mean our complete victory if this territory will be inhabited by people who not healthy, who have psychological problems, we have now turned to the world health organization, which will help with their protocols and, er, will retrain and train our er specialists, er. the lady of israel to the first lady of the united states, also because these are the two countries that have the deepest experience and treatment of traffic accidents, including the united states, there is a program that has been operating for many years about not

only the psychological rehabilitation of military personnel , but also about working with them families, that is, people need to be returned to a peaceful life not only physically, but also psychologically. unfortunately, starting this week, i want to hear from our representatives of the ministries exactly the sequence of actions that we will take, and they will also give me a task for me to work with our partners abroad, for us to receive all these treatment protocols. it is very important to get a timely diagnosis, because, for example, in the netherlands, there is a system where every military serviceman who returns from military operations must undergo testing and screening for a - and psychological problems in israel psychologists work with the military simply even on the battlefield , that is, after every military encounter with them they

work with them also in israel there is a very powerful program for working with children, stress resistance eh how children constantly live in such tension. by the way, we already have problems with children, even children who live in kyiv are now complaining to their parents that the children are already used to air alarms, they no longer flinch, they are not afraid of anything, but there it would seem that the child is sleeping normally it's fun, and then enuresis starts, something like that. that is, we will have big problems if we don't fix this big job now. i know that we have public organizations for psychological help and volunteer organizations. but we have c- all these things. individual e-e such directions should be combined into one national

program. because if we do this now, to be honest, in 10 or 15 years, we will have an echo of how you communicate with various other first ladies. i wanted to ask, it's not a secret. it is a secret that relations with some countries of ukraine are not the best now, even during and what kind of relations are you trying to somehow influence this situation through this communication channel of the first ladies and do you think it is really effective ? fortunately, i have a lot of positive experiences communication with those countries that support us, there are many of them, it’s almost all the countries of the world, and that’s why i used my opportunities 100%, those who first called you and offered help in the first days, it was just hmm, you all know

who we are now he is actively helping, everyone called and wrote and recorded a video, i.e. 24-25 26, there was just a whole series of words of support, anything and everything, and they offered to come to them with children. we had no such plans, so i politely refused, but it was really very nice and even with some of me i started a video conversation only there a couple of weeks ago, there was no opportunity and i will not name this first lady, but when we saw each other there were tears and they really felt that these people sincerely help, so i will continue to communicate with such partners of ours and i think that our communication will bear fruit, who exactly proposed to come to the donetsk region, oleksandr

vasyshchenko, tv channel inter, mrs. olena, and the program books without borders is a wonderful program, i am telling you this not as a journalist, but as a father, because a-ah, unfortunately my children are now abroad and somehow still have to be closer to ukraine. my wife asked me to send them books there, but unfortunately not everyone has such an opportunity. so, where can people go to get these books for free, and in which in which countries does this program work and which countries do i know that join this program, we want to buy these programs, well, all the countries in which our children are vereseleni because we really want them not to be separated from ukraine. many of them went like your family and did not have time to take anything with her and books as well. that is why we really want them to receive these ukrainian books and our

ukrainian institute of books and our book publishers and also copyright holders removed for this project free of charge with their color layouts so that these books can be printed in any countries of the world, now our embassies in these countries are finding donor funds in order to make this print, now 40,000 copies have already been printed in poland, they are distributed in hubs for immigrants, they will all be distributed free of charge, we will use our volunteer we have a lot of people who are able to do this in our network. and, in general, there are already 70 thousand such books. these are our best authors and books for children from 3 to 9 years old. that is, even children who can already read may not read it and it is for reading. parents and

children, we will increase the pace because, well, here a lot depends on the activity of our embassies , on how people will join and help, but in principle, the work is going quite quickly, already for free, but already we will somehow find people and i really want to convey then these books returned with them to ukraine, and then they remembered that it was such a period of their lives and i would like them to support them there, when you answered andriy's question about february 24. unfortunately, we did not will we be able to erase all these memories from our lives, and especially the atrocities that the russian army has committed and continues to commit on our territory, and in buch and mariupol, and now in the occupied territories, how are you

emotionally experiencing and enduring that's all, that's all these news that come from the front and from the occupied territories and how volodymyr oleksandrovich is also going through this, it seems to me that here i am excluded from uh all our people, we are also alive with this and in the regime everyone was in shock in shock, remember the faces when he left for buchi, then for irpen, all uh and for i feel anger and only anger, i don't have any uh sentiments towards those people who did it well, to be honest, i don't even want to imagine if this happened to my family with my children, i reject these thoughts so that it is not bad at all, but at the same time, it is very difficult not to remember these

people of ours who, uh, received such severe wounds, in which someone died, someone lost their actions. well, it’s just that, i don’t even want to talk about it . maybe it's his anger somehow , er, someone leans away from such bad people, or it only pushes him on, i know, it's his character, he's on aggression, he can run much longer and more efficiently than in a calm state and i'm just trying to endure this whole period of er and separation our family is separated and we see volodymyr m.m. from time to time here in the office, i can visit him if he does not have a meeting today, i will say hello to him, the

children somehow understand that hmm when will this period end, but the constant questions well, when already they always exist in our family, that's why i, well, i once set an example for him, he really likes the way you hold yourself like a locker with because you somehow hold on, we try not to lose heart , trimalovska . war and i wanted to ask about the children, the children ask yes, when and how much more how do you explain to them what is happening in the country in general and what are the opportunities for ukrainian parents in general? any advice on how to talk to children about the war?

it's easy to do with the eldest daughter, she's already an adult, she reads everything, sees everything, uh, and you know what, what victories we have to win in order to end the war with our son, uh, in a different way, he's like uh, he's still growing up again he is a political scientist he knows everything, he gives advice to the military, what do we need to buy for my father, including what do we need to buy, tanks, planes, helicopters, we don’t have enough, which countries are we not helping there, which ones are good, he is a military expert, you can talk about it with him for a month luckily, we don't encourage these conversations, but we don't stop them because he needs to express himself and he talks about it all the time, that is, they all understand that until the war has been won on the battlefield, we have to

wait for news about the family and the stepmother as well which i mean, everyone wears a wart hat. to be honest , it distracts from studying, because while there is studying, there is some part of the time when he doesn't think about the war, and then again in the last interviews, we said that the ukrainian emigration now has a female face , yes, there are millions of ukrainian women ukrainian women go abroad to save children, this is clear. and it seems to me that even in this war, this war is not for independence, and there is also a woman’s face. we saw these photos, the doctors from azov are incredible, katya. and we saw a photo of love, the crybaby is a ukrainian woman an officer who was the first to lead an artillery unit and is now fighting in the donbass, we know the story of yulia and payinskaya, better known as taira, she is a volunteer who was captured by the russians in

mariupol, and it seems to me that there can be a lot of such stories, because as far as we know before the war, we had in there are more than 20,000 women in the armed forces, tell me if it is enough. in your opinion, we are talking about women's participation in the war in the eternal space, and were there any stories of this war that struck you before the investigation of this story? they may not move me to tears, what always moves me to tears is when i see how our best people die, it's not only women, it's just when you see these most conscious, kindest people who have put their lives together, it's just such despair. well, honestly , the best die - it's the worst thing that can happen in war and i always during all my conversations with

foreign media talk about our women and by the way . refugees, they are active, they want to work, they even when it is difficult for them, they are volunteers, they start . how did it happen? i say because all ukrainian women are like that in our country. it seems to me that our society is quite tolerant and democratic. we can not say that a woman in our country in many directions , it stands behind the man, you said correctly about the number of women, uh, military personnel, now a third of the composition is women, that’s a lot, and uh, these individual cases really need to be highlighted

, talk more about them, but i would not separate them from cases of the same about men, that is democracy and equality that we are not different , a woman or a man. i am sure that ukrainian women can do a lot and we understand that here they are waging their own war on the medical front and teachers, they are volunteers and just save their children and it seems to me that we should not forget about this respect that we feel now and after the war and still finish the legislation so that there is no twenty percent difference between wages for men and women and women, that is why i hereby domains also dealt with the issue and we continue to deal with it even after and it seems to me that the place of the ukrainian woman is already reliably

covered by us and we are not going to give up on our positions. do you continue to search for yourself the answer to the question why is it so? is it possible that you found the answer to this question because the majority probably found it after seeing the face of racism after what they saw in buch ah but hmm surely there is the nuances of these in the nuances, this face is revealed more and more, for example, the same destroyed objects of culture, cultural heritage, museums, well, literally a few days ago, museum day should have been celebrated, but the paintings of priymachenko's dreams, the museum of hryhoriya savych skovorody why do you think

they act like that why do they destroy our culture have separate consciousness so many of them believe that we are some part of their society and we just invented something for ourselves and our museums our er objects of art and culture our songs our literature prove that this is not so, and that is why they want to destroy it first of all, to destroy our national consciousness, they do not have pryimachenko they do not have skovoroda and there never was, and they want us to think the same way that we also never had them such a thing will not happen, i am very happy . by the way, i was very angry in the first days

when ivanka's museum was destroyed literally in the second week. and yes, i am. well, i was very sorry that the painting disappeared. they do not need to be shown to anyone it is necessary to show because it is really us, they just destroyed our fairy tale, you know that pryymachenko - this is just a ukrainian soul, naive and bright with a frying pan, they are just a story, i don't know how i can do it on the 300th anniversary of grigory savych, they are such a gift in quotes they did to us. i don't know why this was heard at all. it seems to me that the whole process

began in this country many decades ago. then he does whatever he wants with them hmm, it seems to me that these reasons are very far in the past and it is impossible for them to accept the fact that someone can live in a different way, live and breathe freely and not carry the power of their leaders behind them all the time, that's why they do this to me in general, it seems to me that the world needs to think about how to prevent the growth of a totalitarian dictator, a person cannot rule for more than a certain period of time, which is determined by the legislation, it is not allowed to change the country with its own legislation so that a person one was in power for 20 years, people lose their minds, there is even a simple reason, i am not saying that this

happened this time, but it can happen to anyone, even a seemingly normal person, if she is in power for 20 years, maybe later. well, we see the same things there in african countries, they have their own local ones. in your opinion, it is the most optimal to be in power. it seems to me that maksim has one more term. everything will start after that. it seems to me that these questions are starting now on the phone. we don’t get to that in our conversations. what did you eat for breakfast? it seems to me that everything is like children. i would like one more personal question with your permission. and about emotions, you talked about how february 24 changed us all, but well, the war actually changed everyone, in fact, we discover for ourselves for sure every day

some new qualities of your character personally, what you found in yourself, what you opened up, you became more courageous, more determined, maybe you sleep peacefully under the sounds of sirens, maybe on the contrary, you sleep for three hours a day . well, i don't even know. i think i can only say about how i have changed. people who knew me to and they know now uh, i do n't really notice any differences in myself, but i can say about my other friends, acquaintances, about my people, i'm happy that i uh, it turns out, i know how to choose people, because war highlights not only bad things, but also she shines a good light. she just makes our features brighter and most of my people who said that they just didn't get involved enough in

volunteer work and on their fronts, everyone works and just to bring our victory closer. i am so happy that i have such people around me that in the majority of them i was not mistaken about how i'm sleeping, you know i'm like everyone has an app er air grass and i'm almost used to it well everyone's used to it but still i'm lying every time she starts to scream yes you can turn the volume down yes but then i won't hear i turn it down er that is, when there are no air leaks at night, we somehow fix it , but we need to talk to my son in the evening so that he calms down, because he does not

know as quickly as before. there is no single question when it is will happen. but during this period, while we will fight for our future, the fascists are engaged in killing and destruction. i have educational questions for you. if you look at these three months of war, and you have already mentioned that during this period 16 were destroyed . it is important for the state to have a thinking, critical thinking generation and russia purposefully destroys those institutions where we can raise and provide education to our children and we understand that after the war there will be a lot of challenges and one of them is precisely the educational direction of our western partners are talking about the recovery of our state, economic recovery, they offer us their own economic marshall plan. please tell me. have you thought about creating the same marshall plan, but for the educational sector? are you already working on it in order to return our children to school after victories well , as a mother, we are thinking about this, and i asked

specific questions to those people who deal with this in the ministry of education. as far as i know , there is some kind of plan, these are 12 points about returning children to school and they are better able to talk about it and about the restoration of the school fund i am also working on this issue again i go back to my meetings and phone conversations with the first ladies i invited several of them to take part in the construction of new or restoration uh destroyed schools, so that it would be, for example, a ukrainian school, they will take care of it after the war, it will be a good sign of our friendship, and this is the first question, and the second is now unicef, by the way, for which we are working a lot, they have offered

i should take part in the beektoskul project there, not only about the restoration of physical schools, they are also taking on the reconstruction of several of them, i know that they are interested in one with the skin and the project is already being developed, as well as the adaptation of children again for before returning to school there are also psychological practices it seems to me that now we can also support the normal return of our children to school by not letting them forget, first of all, the ukrainian language, literature, history. i also with uh during my communication uh with our partners abroad, i ask them to include in their educational programs, because many of our children are now integrated in schools, for example, in poland, france, germany, so that the children still receive lessons in the ukrainian language, literature, history , for example, in conversation with germany. suggested

that our uh temporary immigrants also participate as teachers, there are many teachers, that is, many women have gone who can teach our children , we also need to uh hmm strengthen our work of ukrainian saturday schools in many countries, there are many of them but they work only on saturdays and could work in the summer more hours and maybe even days a day so that our children, in addition to visiting german, french and other schools, also went and studied those subjects that they do not currently study in schools a-a, that is, from their side i am promoting such work. i really hope that they will help me and the appropriate processes will take place. i agree that the return will be difficult, but this pandemic, which was two

years before that, has already hardened us to the point that most of the children already know how to work remotely for them it doesn't cause any problems, it doesn't add to them, but still, i know that it will be difficult. finally, we already mentioned that now the vast majority of ukrainian families are separated, women, children are abroad, unfortunately. among my acquaintances there are those who will stay there for a certain period, and maybe forever , have they thought about how to return their loved ones home so that they would want to go here after our victory, after all, we want everyone to return, so we don’t want them to get used to it there and i see that in many countries they are given such loyal conditions to return