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a verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to everyone, today is the 97th day of heroic ukrainian resistance against the russian occupation. during the day, the occupiers destroyed at least 26 houses in the luhansk region, the proletariat factory was attacked and the russians launched a rocket attack on the nitrogen association. also in slavic, more than half of severodonetsk is currently occupied by russians in the city, fighting has intensified , british intelligence reports, as noted by the institute of war research ukraine is not throwing all its forces into the defense of severodonetsk for the sake of a counteroffensive in the kherson region, meanwhile, the enemy continues to lose manpower and equipment as of the morning of the first in june, russian losses in ukraine already amounted to 30,000,700 personnel, tanks, 1,361

units of armored combat vehicles, 3 and 343 artillery systems, 659 jet systems volley fire 207 air defense equipment 94 airplanes 208 helicopters 175 automotive equipment 2,290 ships boats 13 cruise missiles 120 drones 519 special equipment 49 units as president zelensky says in the east every day unfortunately, from 60 to 100 ukrainian soldiers are killed and about 500 more are injured on the sixth package of european union sanctions against russia , putin's lawyers in europe and ukraine's position in the world, today we will talk with a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 by mr. volodymyr ogrizko mr. volodymyr glory to ukraine glory to the heroes i congratulate you

mr. serhiy good health to all our viewers to see you thank you for agreeing to participate in our program let's start with the sixth package of european union sanctions against russia so the leaders of the european union countries of the european union agreed the sixth package of sanctions against russia, which provide for a partial embargo on the import of russian oil and the disconnection of sberbank of russia from the swift system, so we are talking about the fact that by the end of the current year the countries of the european union will reduce the import of russian oil to 90%, now up to 75%, there is still the possibility of exporting russian oil to europe by pipeline and other

ways of delivering oil, in particular by tankers. in this case, we, as citizens of ukraine, are satisfied with the fact that the european union is strengthening sanctions against the russian federation, what does this mean for the countries of the european union, yes, serhii, this is another and very i think it is the right step what did the european union do? although i agree with the assessments of our high-ranking officials, it is not what we expected, it is not as effective as we would like it to be. well, unfortunately, we have to talk about what we have . this is the result, as we have seen, of very tough political debates and the result of a compromise between those countries that want to really punish

the russian federation and those that want to not see the obvious things. others sources of oil supply are not easy, but many european countries demonstrate this, but there is a repeat of such a country as hungary, which simply does not want to look for alternative sources of oil supply and actually blackmails the european union by imposing a veto well, glory god managed to find a compromise, but you know, i will mention, so to speak, in parallel , the situation with those boycotts that hungary was talking about at the official level. if before it was only the opinions of experts and political scientists, now

already at the official level, they are talking about the fact that we must finally abandon unanimity in decision -making. that is, what we have today is power and uh, what uh, uh, that means uh, in the social parliament, uh, very countries that have weight and between that is why they make decisions that are often actually made by european allies, so now i think we are on the verge of the fact that soon the european union will move from talk to action and decisions will be made by a qualified river, and then all the knowledge of hungary will be left to itself in frames on the wall and we will look in them and remember what it is, she herself provoked this process

because she was irrepressible, so the situation in europe is clear, er, they are moving forward, although not as fast as we would like, but at the same time, it is er, it is everything is going in favor of ukraine in relation to the russian federation, you know i won't explain anything here for a long time i'll just mention it i think that our dear viewers have already heard about the nervous reaction of the former head of the kremlin who is there sat and er bruce table place for his patron for a few years, so he was just spitting and talking about the meanness of the west, which, you see, does not hit the oligarchs because they say it will be enough for the next generations, but it hits the poor russians who, well, actually well, they

have nothing to do with this, that is, what is happening is not of the will of those russians, it is because of those russians that they support putin and his aggression, and some others, so they say that these sanctions will hurt the russians and that is very bad and so on so the result is as follows: sergius is sanctioned, albeit slowly but they work, their effect will be felt somewhere around the end of summer, the beginning of autumn, and then what is called well, if not a riot, then a very serious discontent in the russian hinterland will begin , because, well, you want to eat, but there will be not enough food. so when we we say, mr. volodymyr, there is always a proposal from hungary or greece or germany regarding any sanctions or assistance to the ukrainian state. the same phrase always goes through my head. these are putin's lawyers in europe. these are people who are trying in some way.

to amortize and sanctions and in what way to save or give putin the opportunity to save face, representatives of italy talked about this, what do you think should happen so that europe finally understands who putin is, what russia is doing on the territory of the ukrainian state, money doesn't smell , is it russian the lobby is a strong russian lobby that was bought, this is a lobby that will always defend the interests of the kremlin in europe and this is a lobby that will always be a partner in well, for example, in the oil business or in the gas business, as in the case of hungary, you right, mr. sergey, for decades, putin has gradually but relentlessly brought almost all of europe under his energy resources, and he

succeeded . russia's gas needle, so that now it cannot really get off it, and if we say that even on oil , it was somehow possible to reach a compromise, but this compromise is actually very, very powerful, because by the end of the year, after all, the vast majority the countries of the european union will forget what russian oil is, and this is a colossal blow to russian interests and to the russian economy, the situation with gas is really much more complicated. well, because ukraine cannot switch from one source to another in a few months, but the question in the problem is why did germany raise the level of its dependence on russian gas to 40 or

even a little more than 40 percent, this directly contradicts the european directive, but the positive thing happened. well, i'm not talking about such things like stimulating the financial dependence of certain politicians, in other words, corruption well, we have more than one example of corruption at the highest level, former chancellors, prime ministers, ministers are signing up to work at gazprom ros-neftem and so on and so on. doesn’t this mean that they also influence the political system of their countries? well, let’s not forget the interests of business. do you understand the russian market? which western m-m e-e seller of his goods, this product e-e is eaten

there without any conditions without any comments and so on. that is, this is the market where you can supply everything from washing powder to elements of space technology and everything will be accepted. this is a unique opportunity for the western economic lobby . well, put pressure on your government so that this doesn't happen in any way, because it's lost money, it's lost profits, it's lost jobs, and every leader of his country thinks about people having a job, so that this salary is not small, so that it is positively influenced the social the situation and such and such and such and such, that is , a certain mutual dependence emerges here. but again, uh, at some point, the question arises uh. so, then it is possible to sell to the devil and the devil uh

, after all, there are certain principles that should eh, well , stand guard eh of some or other even economic interests, and thank god. it seems to me that this is really the beginning of a revolution of consciousness in eh for western politicians, that they finally understood that trade cannot replace the principles of morality eh humanity, uh, well, empathy, helping others, and so on, that is otherwise, the world will return to the jungle, where you will really win. whoever has a tamagav or an ax or something is bigger is bigger. so this is an important moment and i think that this bloody war of the putin regime in ukraine has become a very serious catalyst for the return of western leaders to those values ​​that sound so beautiful from the time of the

french bourgeois revolution, well, by the way, mr. volodymyr, this story with the supply of weapons to ukraine is also indicative, there are a lot of different discussions, including in germany, because according to the western media, since march 25, heavy weapons have not arrived in ukraine, and germany is somehow trying to amortize this. the united states of america, on the contrary, has opened a longlist for ukraine, and , as the american mass media have already reported, the administration of the president of the united states of america plans to provide ukraine with salvo missile systems able to hit targets at a distance of more than 64 km and well, of course, in addition to other assistance, in ukraine, the same president zelenskyi talks about unlocking the seizure of russian troops territories in the east and south of ukraine, as well as

ports, the country needs weapons with a range of 120,140 km . russia, in the course of these discussions about what weapons should come to ukraine, what range of missiles should be, says that any supplies of weapons to ukraine, even if washington in their arguments increase the risks of a direct collision between the russian federation and the united states, well, in particular, this was stated today by the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, ryabkov, and russia is constantly blackmailing russia, constantly saying that in the event if the united states of america sends missiles, eh, further a long-term impression, then we will take some appropriate step and say that through the mouth of dmitry medvedev, they say that we will hit decision-making centers, and these centers are not always in kyiv. the world should respond to these threats, to the threats of the

russian goblin, because it looks like russia is now trying to dictate the conditions of the entire world, including the united states of america, in particular, regarding the supply of weapons to ukraine, well, this is mr. serhiy, er, desensitization is a tradition of the russian so-called foreign policy to blackmail the whole world and brandish er. what kind of weapon now, since all other conventional weapons have shown that there is really nothing to brandish, because er, i think that these in kyiv, on mykhailivska square, they are a testimony to the fact that the russian armed forces are powerful only

when they fight against women, children and the elderly, and when they cannot fight back. and when they fight back, all weapons turn into scrap metal because it is far from being modern, far from being the kind that can actually be sold as super-powerful and so on, but there remains a truly nuclear component. and here is where putin probably has the most important but together with those, the last argument because uh- threats to destroy humanity with nuclear weapons are really scary, it's a terrible blackmail and today putin is trying to talk like that, but you know what the difference is between today's

situation and the situation that was happy a year ago back when the west was really afraid of russia today after the ukrainian heroic ukrainian armed forces are very actively engaged in the demilitarization of the russian federation and the numbers you mentioned today at the beginning of our conversation about the losses of the occupiers are a clear confirmation of that after the west finally understood that even ukraine, which does not have even a part of the capabilities that the allies have, and if it beats and destroys this horde, then fear it. apparently , nuclear weapons should not be applied in the same way, because, well, you can to blackmail, but uh and uh, this half-crazy führer uh, russian still understands that this is uh, the end for him personally and his state uh, if uh,

such a weapon, i mean, there will be no nuclear weapons applied , so it seems to me that the answer to what they say in moscow is that these are all fungi and so on was today's article, let's get universal yes , he clearly and clearly wrote that we will give ukraine the weapons that will help it to expel the russian invaders from the ukrainian land so we will not provide weapons that will get er red area, but from the other side well, recently a colleague of mine, i think it's very apt, he wrote, he says, well, you can drive up to the ukrainian -russian border, take a slingshot from a slingshot, eh, get into russian territory, then if the rocket takes 60 and according to the latest data, 80 km, i’m sorry

, it can quite easily cover an airfield, for example, a military or a cluster of troops who are going to carry out another terrorist operation on the territory of ukraine, or let’s say a motor base in er or something similar. to be used for an offensive on ukrainian territory, that is why i think the promise of a collective event, but first of all, the usa is that they will not leave us alone, that we will have weapons in order to expel russian troops from the territory of ukraine. by the way, in today's in this article, we mentioned to you that biden says that the united states of america continues to strengthen the eastern flank of nato and that the united states of america is not looking for war with russia, despite what biden said, the

outrageous actions of putin, the united states will not help they will not demand his resignation and will not enter into a war with the russian federation or attack russian territory until the russians strike the united states of america or the allies, perhaps this is a story from an artificial discussion between washington and moscow and still has one goal the way putin is trying to start some kind of dialogue with biden again because we have been watching for the last three months how the turkish president rezhypta and erdogan are trying to act as a peacemaker and then it seems that he is conducting a dialogue with him, but he does not want erdoğan to be the leader of this process, relatively speaking, and it is getting the impression that putin and his team are constantly pushing the washingtonians

, including biden, in order to begin to agree on something with them. is this feeling deceptive or does it look like that? and you know, it seems to me that at this stage, uh, well, about any contacts at this level. well, in principle, there is no question of looking. war blinken uh, i didn't even talk to lavrov on the phone, uh , not to mention that hmm, you can think about some kind of meeting or some negotiations uh, with putin at the level of uh, the president of the united states of america, i think it's more of an uh, effort of russian propaganda well , so to speak, to raise the degrees to show that, after all, we remain a great state and we need to talk about it in this article about which you and mr.

sergiu just mentioned uh and that phrase that you just quoted about what -e usa is not going to remove his putin from office eh i think eh is a fundamentally strategic mistake, so definitely one cannot set as a goal the elimination of some government of a democratically elected government that behaves adequately in its relations with the rest of the world, which respects the norms of the international rights that follow these norms, but it is not possible to equate such governments with the governments of countries that commit crimes of military aggression. well, let's not forget about what ended the second world war, it ended with that

the goal was to destroy the nazi regime and with what today, racism is made up of nazism or other non-vysonian practices of the past. but today, if we look at what the archists are doing on the territory of ukraine, i think that in some cases they have surpassed the fascists, and this and that is perfect. a proven fact and how under such circumstances i simply cannot imagine how biden, who called putin a war criminal , how he can sit down with him at all, not even sit down at the table, but even pick up the phone and call him or receive a call from him i.e. e well, it doesn’t fit into the elements of just some kind of morality, which, after all, is important for biden and for the western civilized world, that’s why

i think that the fact that someone is launching the idea of ​​talking behind ukraine’s back, well, that’s it. those people from the russian propaganda machine who want to make wishful thinking come true, by the way, now we have all the articles, he said again very clearly and clearly, i will not force ukraine to make any concessions , either publicly or unofficially, and the slogan is nothing about ukraine without ukraine, there remains uh the meaning of my policy in this context, so i think that all these conversations about negotiations about uh, some contacts are conducted by those countries who uh, really want to quickly uh, well, so to speak, restore the status quo and their economic interests in russia and to

things turkey, with all due respect to what it has done and is doing with regard to ukraine, also in this series. it very much wants to be friends with russia and with ukraine. well, for example, i am surprised why turkey has not yet publicly and officially condemned the aggression of the russian federation. it takes the position of something like this, you know we don't directly condemn the aggressor, but we don't accept the results of what is happening. sorry, it doesn't happen here . we have to take a position. mediator is of course great, but here, after all, it is probably necessary to return to the principles, if they are there, then they are there, if they are not, then they are not, volodymyr, what

happened. affected the position and putin and the fact that they, well, in particular, in the black sea well, you know, it would definitely affect, well, look , if putin wins and pays polish and agricultural products to russia, then this is a matter of literally a few seconds, it will be done quickly and this will definitely cause serious economic damage to turkey, erdoğan definitely does not want this, he needs something else, he needs to demonstrate his high political involvement in world processes, and today the war in ukraine is just that is uh, the war of uh, totalitarianism against democracy, and just uh, well, the position of this or that political

leader in this regard only elevates him and gives him greater weight and popularity, that is, he wants to play here, it seems to me, both economically and politically eh- that is, the economy will lose its opportunities for the economy of turkey, and politically, well, find a role for yourself, well, who can reconcile, well, practically, two civilizations , democratic and authoritarian, and find some kind of compromise, actually for him this topic seems quite er hmm attractive to me and he would like to but again, not at the expense of ukraine. during the last three months, we are trying to understand what he really

wants