a year ago, putin declared that and continues to declare that no ukraine ever existed and that it was once invented by volodymyr ilyich lenin there, and in a word, all these stories about pototsky, who invented count pototsky, who invented ukrainians , general volodymyr shamanov - this is a deputy of the state duma of the russian federation of the war noted that they do not need ukraine as part of russia, let's listen to mr. shamanov, we don't know the population in the store, we don't know how our relations with neighboring states will be who seem to be trying to influence their presence. i mean, first of all, poland to some degree, the baltic states to some degree,

romania, therefore, a very long, uh, period of time is appropriate, then only we will be present, because we need to demolish ukraine to the end and this is not a simple question that will take from 5 to 10 years, and secondly, this is where nassification, which will go on in parallel, and the formation of power , which did not dirty itself with these neo-nazis, and it will be very difficult to do, if not прозойдей техой spirit is manifested, yes, then, uh, we don't need her, because we have, uh, the donetsk and

luhansk republics and krym. this is the position of general shamanov and volodymyr. nothing new. actually, he didn’t say anything. he repeated the narratives that are always used by volodymyr putin. well, maybe putin is not so frank about the fact that we will destroy ukraine for 5-10 years and destroy the whole infrastructure to kill residents to terrorize the whole of europe with ukrainian migrants and yet, when we talk about the future trial of the racists and started with putin, can you imagine the scale of those people who have to sit on the bench, the number of those people who have to sit on the dock and answer for the war they unleashed on our territory, you

first asked the question, what is the ultimate goal, is donetsk there or something else , luhansk? well, let's remember what our soldiers found when bombarded these columns that crawled towards kyiv from the north there inside others found a parade uniform in order to go through er with drums and fanfare to the baptismal font, that is, the idea was definitely er, at least at that stage er, that all ukraine was er bought, that all ukraine was captured so that here to install a puppet government that will carry out everything that will be written in moscow, has this topic gone off the top of my head, i think that this

whole putin's camellia, all of them are semi-insane , the leaders of today's russia, they are they dream about this greatness, they don't need logic, they do we just need another er conquest without actually any meaning because they don’t bring anything positive for others, but their positive is to simply occupy another part of the er globe and establish this terrible russian order there, that’s why nothing has changed ideologically but it actually changed because the ukrainian armed forces showed the place of this second so-called army of the world and showed that it will be beaten to destroy

it, certain prerequisites are needed for this, these prerequisites appear today and that we with you talked about in the first part of our conversation, and the americans and the anti-russian anti-putin coalition formed in rammstein, which has already held its second meeting, confirm that ukraine receives all the necessary support to deter the enemy, and i think that not only to restrain but also to beat him so that he finally leaves the territory of our state eh so eh it's a matter of time and exactly eh after eh russia eh loses and there is no doubt about that eh no can the russian federation itself e being under crazy sanctions and confronting

the rest of the civilized world, you understand, she has no allies, even china, on which she relied heavily , waved her pen and said yes. yes, you and i will ideologically vote for you in the un, but practically we will not help you because of this country in fact, there is no perspective, serhii, and this is what this general is talking about five or seven years or so. while they will kill us and nazify us. i am afraid that during this time it will not happen that this structure on the map the world wouldn't be left so it would be better for them to think about what is happening in their own country and not to consider fantastic plans for the identification or demilitarization of the ukrainian army or the ukrainian people. so i he

was quite calm about this, how about those theses that were imposed on them and which they cannot but repeat, but regarding the number of those who will sit on the dock well, i think that this there will be hundreds of people, it will not be limited to putin and his narrow politburo, the so-called on which they are they decide everything that will happen in the country. i think those who helped him in financial and economic terms will also sit here, the propagandists will definitely sit, those who are noticed in the fact that they helped wage this aggressive war against ukraine, well, in a different way it cannot be because evil must ultimately be punished

by the way about propagandists kremlin propagandists are talking about the fact that they are now dispersing the thesis that the special operation in ukraine is over and the third world war is starting, let's see how they are dispersing this thesis now, the time has come to admit that it is possible that russia's special operation in ukraine ended there, in the sense that the most real war began , and the third world war, we are forced to engage in demilitarization not just of ukraine, but of the entire severansk, why well, they are already starting to engage in demilitarization. as askorieva says, everything of the north atlantic alliance, we know that finland and sweden have already submitted applications to join nato, and i understand that their decision is a matter of one year at most and

it is clear that the north atlantic alliance is becoming much closer to russia than they imagined, and in particular in the baltic sea, but the propagandists still continue to talk about the fact that we are already fighting with the whole world, that this is the third world, but for three months we have seen how e- e special operation military special operation and assistance to the so-called lpr and dpr has already turned into the third world war, well, that is, if you look at all the e-e speeches of putin and his propagandists, then they went from helping the people's militia of the so-called the lpr and the dpr have already ended with the third world war . what do you think? it is clear that the consumer of russian is directed at the leaders of russia,

and the tribunal will of course deal with it. skabeeva and er and the like, well , it is impossible to accept. well, look, even if i say that the ukrainian army, which, unfortunately, does not have even a fraction of the capabilities that the allies have, beats and drives away the occupier, then believe me, only the united states the americans with their weapons behind here will really bring this nedo empire to its knees in a few days and that will be the end of it because there is almost nothing to fight back there and if skabeeva says that she will militarize nato

is just the highest level of idiocy well, there is no reason to be surprised here, but this is already a well -known diagnosis for a long time, but the fact is that the russian population is that it is, well, actually controlled by such people er propagandists and takes it at face value er well, and why actually the special operation, or whatever they called it, turned everything into the third world war, well, because in reality there are no results of the special operation, and if everyone says that it is not according to plan, then how come according to the plan , more than 30,000 of these people have already been destroyed eh bandits eh what about this plan eh total losses already amount to more than 120,000 maimed and wounded those who can no longer fight so what kind

of plan is it then and the answer is very simple well it's not russia, it's not with ukraine, in fact we have is fighting with the west, that is, it is actually fighting with nato, but by the hands of ukrainians and these insidious western scoundrels, they are precisely aiming to bring the world to the third world war, and we wonderful russians will defend ourselves and we will all go to heaven . which, meanwhile, is perceived by the population well, there is the truth of it p sergiyu points less there not 140 not 160 there with a stretch somewhere well according to various estimates somewhere 112 100 115 million because uh well, first of all, there is a complete demographic catastrophe in russia eh it’s been a long time a well-known fact and uh, even

the russian rulers themselves have been shouting for the last 10 years that we are falling into a demographic pit from which we will never get out, and here we have also left. according to various estimates, up to 10 million people are leaving, and now everyone who can leave is just leaving, that's why. there aren't that many people anymore. but that's that. the part that remains. she lives on these wild , completely inadequate narratives and, strangely enough, she gets along with them in principle quite well, and that's why i'll tell you frankly, the best. the biggest e-e threat and, in this regard, the most important task there will actually be a de-racialization of russian society , so these criminals will be sentenced for the time being. they

will receive their sentences, some for life, some for 15-20 years. well, i don’t know if we can call them people if we read in the intercepted sbu that a woman says that they need to cut out stars on the children’s backs and cut off their ears and fingers, well, these are really people if you can express yourself to the world with perception, this is not it people can't even be called people, so here's how to reeducate them and how to return them to human understanding of what is happening around, this will really be the most difficult task for specialized

humanity, and i think that it will not be solved even within one generation, because what today it is called the russian people, it is really a mixture of people of different nationalities of different ideologies of different faiths of different social status and who are united only by one desire to spoil everything around them and that's how to re-educate this nation, how to rebuild it to normal development? it seems to me that the problem is extraordinary and there are no recipes for such a quick enumeration. the germans probably spent more than one generation on this, maybe even two. what will happen to the russians? well, this is a question for the world community, because to leave such a horde to its own devices even after the e-e and e leaders

will be e-e a huge strategic mistake and it should be a very fully organized directed e-e multi- layered and multifunctional work on how to bring e-e this horde out of that state in which uh, this horde today is among those people who should sit on the dock together with vladimir putin, there is also the self-proclaimed president of belarus, alexander lukashenko. he spoke a lot and commented a lot. during the last three months, the territory of the republic of belarus was used for the entry of the russian army from the north to in general, kyiv is in ukraine, the planes that took off from baranovichi bombarded our cities, our villages were carrying out airstrikes now.

of ukraine says that the russians have rolled iskanders to the ukrainian-belarusian border and belarus may be hit by this super-powerful weapon at the same time what lukashenko says lukashenko says that the war in ukraine is a scenario that could be implemented in belarus, let's listen to the self-proclaimed president in belarus, i worked with them a lot in credit with a ball up my sleeve. recently, they have been working like a planter, look at it all. of course, it was not lukashenko, although he could also talk about dogs. if they prepare now we will listen to what lukashenka said, but the main message is clear that the war is a scenario that could be implemented in

belarus on e. volodymyr lukashenko manages to play a role and play a fool. let's put it this way, on the international stage, i have nothing to say here at all, but i, together with putin, he has already played this role of a fool. in my opinion, serhiy really wanted to be like that. himself as a mediator, remember all these minsk processes, remember all these invitations of western leaders, how happy he was when mrs. merkel flew to see him in minsk, when he arranged these four-way meetings, it raised him in his eyes to heaven, and he already saw himself a little bit not as mediators as today he sees

some other leaders, including those we mentioned today, but this period has passed and it is not by chance that the west announces sanctions not only against russia he declares it the same against belarus, clearly understanding that the belarusian regime is just as totalitarian, just as undemocratic and just as aggressive, because in fact it is an accomplice in what the russian federation is doing if belarus gives its territory to the armed forces of another state that attack er, independent er ukraine, believe me , even a er schoolboy will say well, he is an accomplice in a crime, and an accomplice in a crime should also be responsible for such actions, so i think that er, with him er well, so to speak, they learned this word to panic

there will be uh, in principle, uh, very little. and i think that he will try, uh, by day x for himself, to urgently leave his native belarus somewhere to hide somewhere in the area of ​​the uh, warm indian ocean, i think that suitable villas have already been prepared there, and they will be furnished soon for everything under the fortress so that they could not be taken by an attack and there, if he manages to escape, he will shorten his last days, or else he will fall into the hands of justice and then he will be allocated a small room somewhere in a prison in the netherlands well, they say that, in principle, humane is european justice is fed normally, there is a tv, so i think he will watch the latest news, if of course he will learn at least some foreign language. well, by the

way, the director tells me that lukashenka is in sync. please look at it. and we understand the level of active people who just mixed into the territory of a neighboring country. damn, this is ukraine. volodymyr. do you think that the self-proclaimed will dare whether the president of belarus will have belarusian troops on the territory of ukraine or not. no one will ask mr. sergey about this. they gave an answer to their question. he is in the wrong situation when he can influence the adoption of some serious decisions and putin will not ask him. is it possible or not for him to do these or other things, he will simply give him

the command that such and such a unit of such and such a regiment or brigade must enter the territory of ukraine tomorrow there, there, there, without, as they say, without announcements and without overtaking and without er any chance of that it can be disputed in any way, except that lukashenko will find some other excuses, promising something a little later when something will be better, saying that the belarusian partisans killed 3 km and the railway there, that's why it's not unrealistic, in one word, i will come up with another fairy tale in which putin, due to his inadequacy , can even believe, but in fact, there is no independent lukashenko and no independent belarusian state today, and we must state this

with great, great regret. and finally, our conversations, mr. volodymyr, let's try to predict how the world will be. the other world is not the one that has already intervened for us, the western world, hmm, how is he? and in what perspective will he finally understand that putin threatens not only nato, putin threatens not only the united states of america and ukraine, if already didn't happen, it's happening and everything is happening in more heads of western leaders, and today's article by biden seems to me to be significant. in this regard, because he clearly and clearly talks about the fact that russia is becoming a global threat, that is, a threat to everyone i will repeat but i will say once again that i am sad about the fact that the western

world does not want to hold back this russia, asking the question in a different way: does the world need such a russia and should we probably do something with it, so that it either returns to common sense? what am i i personally do not believe that she should be punished in such a way that she would not be able to do anything, just to feed her half-savage population, but unfortunately, the west does not want to ask the question. actually because he is not understands what russia is like. he doesn't want to study its history. he doesn't want to study the psychology of this population. he doesn't want to understand that democracy has never slept there and there will never be a liberal russia, because i said one, by the way, a russian political scientist . you can't go back to where

you are wrong, so there won't be a liberal russia because it never existed in russia. so if we look at the history of the russian federation, we have never seen a liberal regime in russia during all 500 years of its existence. well, isn't that the answer on the question of what to do with such a country. well, i think you know that it is a matter of time and we will gradually and relentlessly prove to our western partners that they look at russia through rose-colored glasses even today and wear such that will allow it to better see what kind of country it is. thank you, mr. volodymyr , for i will remind you of the conversation that volodymyr hrysko, a diplomat and politician , minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, was our guest on our broadcast. i say goodbye to you, friends. until tomorrow , turn on the espresso channel until 1:00 p.m., then the background continues.

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the button to sign the petition, an inscription will appear your signature is confirmed and taken into account let's return together to the digital air ukrainian patriotic channels we will not allow the freedom of speech to be destroyed in ukraine, therefore we are today we present our conversation with n apple bount - she is an american journalist , writer, historian, laureate of many international awards. regarding the formulas in davos that ended recently, we heard the statements of famous speakers such as henry

sanger and george soros. generally paying too much attention because he is just an old man from the distant distant past, but what if he voiced something that others simply do not dare to say out loud