journalist, writer, historian, laureate of many international prizes. and the place of poltava itself. it is a pleasure to meet you. i will start with a question related to the formulas in davos, which ended recently. regarding ukraine, namely his proposal to give up part of our territory in exchange for peace, they say that the opposition is a sycophant as a politician, paying too much attention to him because he is just an old man a man from the distant, distant past, but what if he voiced something that others simply do not dare

to say out loud? washington, london, berlin, paris and brussels, and these contradictions concern the questions of how the war should end and where we should go, in fact we observe a great unity that i could not imagine even to imagine there is a general position that ukraine should remain an independent state and kyiv - the capital, that ukraine will exist and become an increasingly integrated part of the west, this is what we hear from a wide range of people, excluding those who have never been interested in ukraine before. how long can the war last, how

can the ukrainian economy hold out, how long is the usa ready to continue supporting the ukrainian army , so i think that this is nothing more than a natural difference of opinion means some people think that we able to do more than others are convinced of this i would not accept every such statement from every western leader if it is truly significant because it is a constant argument in current discussions, it is also important that a lot of people government officials journalists academics criticized kissinger's statements kissinger in no way voiced something secret , he just is a participant in this large-scale discussion of how we should support ukraine and how the war should end. now there is a deep understanding that ukraine should not under any circumstances to cede the territories occupied since

february 24, considering the atrocities committed there , the behavior of the russian troops in the territories they entered, purges, mass murders , rapes and the like, we are well aware of this, because the information came to us from influential western media over the past two months therefore, i believe that no one will put pressure on zelenskyi in order to end the war faster, come on. there are fears about the duration of the war and about what it will take to sustain hostilities . this is what we hear when such voices break through and calls for an end to the war, and yet we saw an article in the new york times. and by the way, it was an editorial. i hope you also saw

an article in the washington post in which a completely opposite opinion was expressed. i also wrote an article that is a clear opposition to such government officials also disagree with the statements. and high-ranking officials, as i have already said, the contradictions continue and are focused mainly on the scale of support, on how long we can continue to provide it, such a narrative has certain legal components, but i would not perceived them as some kind of secret plan to end the war, in my opinion, this will not happen ugh and papillor with how popular the idea is in general to save putin's reputation, to find a way for him to get out of this war so that he saves his face we sometimes hear similar thoughts from the fool from macron yaka your opinion wants such concessions and he

is really looking for ways that would somehow help to end the war. although i do not see any evidence of this, if russia does not start a new war again in a couple of months, all efforts must be directed to ensure that it is completely defeated they are suffering great losses, and not only in the kremlin, but also throughout the country, they understand that the old policy of imperialist aggression is definitely not in their favor, that's why i cheer for putin's defeat, not for some relief for him, not for the preservation of his reputation, etc., then the idea that the longer the longer the war continues, the worse the situation becomes for ukraine and the more difficult it is for everyone else, therefore there will always be those who will campaign for a faster end to the

war , of course. trade with russia, but i am convinced that it is impossible and still waiting for someone who has legitimate concerns about ukraine, the discussion continues, i emphasize that putin cannot be indulged in any way, save him, invent some kind of favorable agreement for him, as far as i know, the biden administration shares my point of view someone expresses himself in a different way does not mean that everyone will suddenly rush to quickly end the war, he may be wrong but sometimes it seems that ukraine is important for the west because we

have a lot in common with russia, and therefore we we can in some way positively influence them and be an example although if you say about me, for example, i just want to see ukraine as an ordinary european state that would be let it be just some romania or even bulgaria on the border of europe and just a little bigger, although even in my dreams such as poland you by the way, do you know a lot about poland? do you think this is even possible? or are we, on the contrary, doomed forever to be in the shadow of russia of russia ? they want russia to turn into an uninteresting

ordinary country, do you understand switzerland, for example , a country where everything is always calm, no one ever writes anything bad about it, this is an ideal scenario to turn into the most boring and uninteresting country, because usually people live there happier, i wish for ukraine to become like finland sweden, iceland is convinced that this is a good goal for ukraine and it is quite realistic. first, we need to wait for the end of the war and change russia in this sense. i think that some people are right that by changing ukraine, it will be possible to change russia as well. ukraine with real democracy can become not only an example to follow, but definitely a source

of inspiration for individual russians, and this path for ukraine to become ordinary and boring also implies that russia, or at least some russians, will become ordinary and boring because of your geopolitical position. people will never stop talking about relations between ukraine and russia, but i agree that a change in ukraine would inspire others. because, as i already said, life in boring countries is usually happier for us when we see that our president zelenskyi is a very popular politician at the moment , he is a great leader of a brave country that fights for the freedom of the free world fight, but we have the opinion of the

ukrainian philosopher yevgeny bystrytskyi he says that in our country there are two versions of president zelenskyi at the same time, one version for foreigners and the other for ukrainians and the problem is because these versions are very different what i'm trying to say is our democracy is still very fragile very freale we need your support also to change our economy because it is still very far from freedom, real freedom, we often hear it accused that we have problems with corruption , but this is not the only problem of ukraine, what do you say about this regarding the question about zelensky, i am

sure that the ukrainian version of it is quite difficult with its nuances compared to the version which we see in the west, i believe that ukrainians should understand that he did a great job of improving the image of ukraine by inserting arguments in its favor into the current discussion in the capitals of western countries, from the very beginning he had an understanding that he was not he is simply asking for military support, he is also restoring the perception of ukraine as a strong, independent and interesting country. he succeeded in this. i will come to ukraine fly. a year ago, writing about life in ukraine, i would never have believed that ukrainian flags would fly not only in poland, but also in london , washington, everywhere. people will come out in support

of ukraine, this is really incredible from this point of view, he is doing a great job with his duties regarding the future economic reforms in ukraine, i hope the war will give us an answer to the question which the economy ukraine wants to have, it would be unreasonable for ukraine to hope that the main part of the profit would continue to come from the transit of gas through russian gas pipelines. this segment of the economy has exhausted itself or it needs to be significantly changed . it must be a competitive economy that is fair to small businesses and ordinary people so that they had the opportunity to create their own business and sought to change themselves and society as quickly as possible

, thinking about what scenarios would be the reconstruction of the ukrainian economy after the war that it is necessary to fundamentally change, i think that right now it is right to start talking about it because one of the main mistakes of ukraine in the last 30 years was the non-acceptance of economic reforms. the perception of ukraine as a weak and corrupt state pushed putin to invade because he predicted an easy victory, ukraine and western countries saw the same, that is why they refused to help ukraine militarily even before the war zelensky ukrainians and zelensky's efforts made them change their minds so it is important for ukrainians

to use the moment after the war to build an honest and dynamic economy for the benefit of all did you mention the importance of the security issue or is this not the reason why ukraine needs to join in the first place to nato and only after that talk about joining the eu, there are many conversations about what security guarantees could be for ukraine after the war and it really should be something real, not memoranda like the one in budapest in 1994, so i would push for ukraine to join nato, i would direct efforts to ensure that even nato troops were stationed on the territory of ukraine in order to avoid a second invasion, maybe not everyone is ready to share my position but i hope that if the structures security

will be in place, then there will be no repetition of such a situation in the future, we had 2014, now it is 2022, and we do not need another war in 2025 or 27 during the peace settlement, whenever it is it is impossible to do without careful consideration of this aspect, i do not see any reason why ukraine will not be able to carry out economic , political and military reforms in a timely manner, the security of ukraine will be ensured by the presence of a strong economy, european integration, as well as its perception as a country where it is profitable to introduce business, where the legal system works perfectly where there are many dynamic and energetic people and interesting companies and so on, all this will also help ukraine acquire the image of a stable and safe state, whatever other were ready to defend, i put forward such a statement

in relation to poland, which is also important to become part of the western alliance of poland, it is also necessary to preserve democracy, be open to european integration and be part of the great whole in poland. there are also people who prefer a kind of isolation and want to rule the country from both sides the european union and i keep stressing that this is a bad idea. if you want to be part of the western security alliance, you also need to join the western political alliance. the political community and the western economic community, therefore, in ukraine, it is necessary to move in all these directions at the same time, you are the author of the book red hunger, stalin's war against ukraine, books about the famine in 32-33 years today we see how putin is trying to provoke a world food

crisis, can we compare these two dictators and clear parallels because putin with his propaganda is somewhat different, he has not yet resorted to mass murders and arrests because his propaganda works much more effectively than stalin’s propaganda used to. but in they have certain points of contact. following the bolsheviks and stalin, putin also understands that food can be turned into a weapon for the purpose of destroying and manipulating people, probably at the beginning of the war. putin was well aware that if he managed to stop the export of ukrainian grain , even if he resorted to stealing it, it would hit the

ukrainian economy and will become an important trump card for him, now it seems that he is trying to use the functioning of the ports in exchange for the lifting of sanctions, and i think that in the next few months it will be about this. i support and i hope for the support of the leaders regarding the creation of a humanitarian corridor in the black sea, which would be provided by foreign vessels, turkish, french , possibly american, and others that would protect the port of odessa and the export of grain in general, since the crisis is only gaining momentum, i hope that this option of the development of events will be seriously taken into account by me and others influential persons support such a decision , the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania recently

expressed his support in writing, i hope that this will soon become a reality, i am convinced that putin imitates stalin in using food as a lever of influence, he does not pay attention to human casualties, he does not care that people are starving either in north africa or in ukraine, and he is ready to press this lever so that you start a war and achieve some set goals, your colleague timite snyder calls russian actions russians on the territory of ukraine by acts of genocide, do you agree with him on russian propaganda on television, this is the classic language of genocide, which describes ukraine as a country that is not real, that does not exist,

that ukrainians are not people, and therefore they can be killed if they are not people, then they have no rights, the right to food, skillful life, this is exactly the same language that stalin once used in relation to the ukrainian peasants, kulags, they are not people, they must be wiped off the face of the earth, they are parasites, insects, we must exterminate them in order to pave the way to the great revolution this is how it is expressed inside russia and we see the result, especially in the behavior of russian soldiers, in the behavior of the fsb in the occupied ukrainian territories , as well as in the way the war is being waged, this war is aimed at the civilian population for destruction and destruction of ukrainian infrastructure, stopping exports , it is not about conquering the territory, it is about the

destruction of ukraine as such, therefore i emphasize that this is the language of genocide, i am sincerely grateful to you for your thoughts , thank you and i appreciate the opportunity to speak to ukrainians, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, handsome guys, i would like to show you only here, during the war, the country is divided into the front and the rear, and the important thing is that there was a strong rear, only then is

a strong front possible. today there is a war and it is victorious. it can be not only thanks to the armed forces, but if our chemistry here will also be strong, the most important thing right now is that there are still yakomolinka working in ukraine. now i want to address the new compatriots who are in the rear and who are doing no less important work than the ones like you who are holding this country now because we need dragonflies at the front to fight the armed formations is only whiskey that is stronger than the enemy, so i want to thank him, thank all ukrainians who work to support and develop our economy and our army. i want to thank for our country time continues to work. in particular, i want to thank mr to bohdan, he gave the front end yes ms. oksana to

you personally viktoria personal company sofia also to you ms. lidia computer science teacher vasyl he continued to work or children and we are getting closer to our victory for your work we need you in the store personally rima for keeping your cool store in lviv grateful for what you are doing work plan of a family doctor is extremely great for your work in it i have a modern people called the economy of the country to rise and stop i am raising a glass for now i am tea for you and we will come to visit and beer vacuum glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, but i am very grateful to you thank you, it's a little strange, but

the day before yesterday, different competitions took another room, so it's so nice to understand that it concerns me, together we will win unbreakable, the golden rose synagogue is located in the center of the dnipro , it was built in the 19th century, it is a modern cultural and a jewish business institution, the menorah center opened 10 years ago, it houses

almost everything from conference halls to midwifery restaurants, banks, travel agencies and holocaust museums from the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine the synagogue became a shelter for immigrants, this man came here from kharkiv , we belong to the jewish people, they welcome us to work because we belong to the jewish community, while we will live here and think about the future, we will probably go to our historical homeland in israel, millions of women and children left ukraine from at the beginning of the russian invasion menachem sent his wife and daughter to france 80% of men sent their families abroad kangoo we pass here every day we try to spend time here and help each other because our houses are empty, a man who has been praying for 90

years for his life, he has already known war and exile, this is the second war that i am going through at my age, i don’t want to go anywhere anymore, but i think that ukraine will win despite the numerous victims and destruction, we will rebuild everything, putin will not get nothing to be desired the exact number of the jewish community in ukraine is unknown according to estimates from 50 to 400 thousand people a large part of them live in the dnipro the city has 10 synagogues ukrainian jews have experienced anti-semitism and many who of them mocks putin and his main goal to destroy the nazis i am the main nazi let them say what

they want they have nothing more to say that is why putin talks about nazis and fascists ukraine has always accepted jews and jewish customs it has always been like that there are no nazis here six hours west of the dnipro lies the small town of uman. it is here that the grave of fish nachman from bratslav, a man who breathed new life into the hasidic movement, tens and thousands of jews annually make a pilgrimage to this place, even the war did not force them to violate this tradition this man from new york came to uman through turkey and moldova here is buried nachman from bratslav who died about 200 eleven years ago we are hasidic followers - this is our place of strength we came here to visit his grave to pray and study here hotels and shops in hebrew the quarters of uman are mostly empty , many of those who lived here went to israel after

the start of the war, the synagogue was opened for refugees and all residents of the city as a shelter, it is one of the largest synagogues in europe, with a hall that accommodates about 500 people, but now she plays a different role, only between ukrainians and hasidim have become much closer than before. but the war changed everything, now she cooks food for people from the east of the country, i cook everything myself,

there is something special in every dish, we put our soul into them, there are people who come here, but too much confused what to ask for help and the war has made everyone equal regardless of nationality or religion everyone gets help here or should i stay in uman she was planning to go to germany or israel they were even packing things but changed my mind we have the holy land of israel but it is our duty to be here some are left because age no longer allows working and others want to help as much as they can, a large part of the jewish community left the city because of the war, but the war also confirmed that religion is not an obstacle of patriotism and that humanity can exist amidst

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