i tried to do with the children, i told them what it means to grow up, so that they will become adults, what will they do, hmm, it didn't work out, when they were crying, and so on. children of the earth are such questions. they will kill everyone and why are they doing this, that we don't know how to answer him, and that you know it, my son, you keep it, everything will be fine, he said that no one will kill us, that he is with me, that they are all with me , that i will protect them, that i know that we we do why the strong should just hold back before the war we went to the cave optimistically and everyone there was also a little scared, but later everyone liked this kind of test. and i often said that it was the same

as going to the cave alone. it was also difficult at first, but after that we came out as a completely different family, and it is difficult here too, but we will be able to do this with my family even when it was absolutely dangerous, er, the territory was not yet deoccupied, how did you manage to make this decision, consider all the risks and still take the risk because you had two children with you, oh, we had four children with us and us was a big company and all my family and friends joined, you know, a lot of text messages started coming because there was no connection, there was no internet, only text messages came and everyone wrote either today or it will be very difficult or never my friend zsu wrote that today you have 50% well, it will be possible to get out, and tomorrow there will be a 70-30 chance that it will not

be possible, that is, today is difficult, but tomorrow will be even more difficult, and this was the trigger to start moving to make this decision. we arrived in three russian cities and somewhere around 12:00 at night. i think we arrived in kyiv already. it was the best feeling when in kyiv they give you sandwiches, fresh bread, dumplings, hot tea, eh, because it 's such a feeling of happiness, you know that you're living, that you are eh that you somehow got out of this property, yes, that you survived, your second colleague ptushkin was very worried about you, he met you in kyiv, please check

the sound settings, because i want to hear the answer, it seems to be working for me, yes, everything is fine, everything is fine, i say anton was not the only one a person who is on march 9. we already called him and talked about how what happened. because when we were here for two weeks, we didn't get along, there was no communication at all, and no one understood anything, didn't know how we live here , eh, the first first for a couple of hours it must have been a phone phone phone phone phone phone calling everyone it's clear and now about the achievements , that's what i meant that this war changed us

all to different degrees, but you felt like a different person when you got out of it hell and what has changed in you personally oh well, you know it has changed the most important thing has changed is the feeling of life, the values ​​of life, the feeling of a yacht and something else, you know, to be planted as some important things now you understand something at all, it's not important, what's important is life, family, children , er, some kind of support for each other er, this is probably the most important thing that has changed because in fact , a lot has changed in business, in life, and in work . and i made an offer, er, that is, i already have a lot of

writing that literally made this offer when you were not sure what would happen to you tomorrow, but then you mentioned about i want to say that this is a tv show which you did, and the tail was very popular not only in ukraine, in many countries, e.e., in russia, kazakhstan, in poland, of course, i understand that such expensive products as a television set are very difficult to make, counting only on the domestic market. tell me, have you somehow revised your plans in the future, what projects will you do and is there room for russian buyers? listen, we will now do a lot of new projects on the youtube project . elevated condition, i.e. let everything be over, and then

we will think about who it will be. don't we have problems with communication again, but we heard that there will be plans, and in particular, regarding your popular project, we were with us . then we will continue in a few minutes 100 days of indomitability and here more than once 100 days of courage the next ones are closer to victory unconquered cities of ukraine zaporizhzhia, the city of strict metallurgists , glorious engine builders and a powerful hydroelectric power plant on the dnieper and this is also the cradle of the cossack family of ukraine

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news the most important thing is the game of ukraine and with ukraine together about the main question this is where all the conclusions and brings another day of heroic confrontation together we will win the marathon united news every night at 8:00 p.m. news, together we are strong, then during the war, they forced us to look at many things differently, in particular, the question of spirituality, whether the church can now stay out of politics, and what is the role of the church in these processes in general. are happening now, we are talking about it with the ambassador of ukraine to the holy see, andriy yura sham, we are adding him to our broadcast to welcome you to the broadcast of the telethon

, let's start with general things, how do you see the role of the church during these 100 days of full-scale russian aggression against ukraine? i congratulate you too direct and respected audience, it is obvious that the issue of the church and spirituality , in principle, has always been important and relevant for ukraine, and in the present times, when we have to think about some internal motives every day, which help to resist the aggressor and these moments become very, very powerful, we see not only, so to speak, some spiritual dimensions of this problem, but we are witnesses of how the religious space of our state is reformatted, we know that very serious events are taking place inside ukraine. i mean many communities in the first place in turn, we are talking about orthodox communities, they are defined, they interpret their jurisdiction in a different way

, that is, what even before the war seemed to be secondary, unimportant or not of such colors as it is now in wartime, it is absolutely accelerating. within the framework of this fateful, unfortunately very tragic, uh, situation that we have in our country, about half a thousand communities have changed their subordination in 100 days, on the one hand, on the other hand, we absolutely understand how much and in the external context in ukraine's relations with various states, this issue is on the agenda, for example, today i will discuss it. this is a new package of european union sanctions against ukraine, and here again the question arises, well, formally, of personnel patriarch kirill of moscow, but in fact this issue is very deeply connected with the religious

dimension. we know that hungary is trying to block the introduction of personal sanctions against the head of the russian orthodox church. therefore, these are only a few moments that show the importance, depth and multidimensionality of spiritual and religious issues for ukraine as a whole and for this of the military period, in particular, if we have already talked about everything, to talk about sanctions, in particular, regarding kirill gundyaev, with your permission, i will call him that er, er, here are the church leaders, in particular, and the representatives of this orthodox church, which is under the control of the moscow patriarchate. they initiated this church tribunal regarding him. what do you think, will this process end and what awaits at the end ? -e political contextual when we

can put all the war criminals and those who inspired them on the dock, it is obvious that the political leadership of russia and the spiritual leaders of russia must sit on this dock and it will be political court, but on the other hand, there is a lot of talk about this in the church environment, it is also about certain church-canonical dimensions of the punishment of the same hierarchs who did nothing to establish christian ideals and values ​​in the period of the escalation of the military campaign for many western theologians, not to mention the spiritual leadership in ukraine and the ukrainian hierarchs, there is a question: why did the leaders of the russian church do nothing to

fulfill their inherent christian role? vocation to be those who establish and bring peace in the souls of people and in relations between people between states and in this context the awareness that these persons do not act within the framework of the spiritual field which they formally represent it, but deep down they do not act like that and in this context, ecclesiastical condemnation is absolutely possible. by the way, on this occasion, the synod of the orthodox church of ukraine appealed to the entire orthodox community to the christian world and called on them to condemn the actions of the leadership of the russian church or to introduce appropriate canonical sanctions, including the initiation of it , the deprivation of the highest ecclesiastics, and you yourself understand that this is possible, given that some orthodox churches,

even now in the world, they still support, well, it is enough to call friendly ties with the russian orthodox church, i will call it that. - i think that everything is possible and it is obvious that a similar process will be initiated, it will take place on what scale it is already another question, unfortunately , we are now dealing with many things that we could not even imagine before the war, and the war itself in in principle, this is something that few people could have thought would happen on such a scale, in such dimensions , with such colors, and we can talk about the consequences, and we can absolutely in those categories that are now possible for us to the end and realized, but obviously which we will strive for and what will we be? i mean, we and ukraine and the whole world, which understands the depth of this tragedy, which is

aware of all the dramatic moments associated with this period, and together we will try to punish those who or did not try to do anything to stop this barbaric war as pope francis has said many times or even worked hard to inspire it we all understand very well that patriarch kirill is the person who systematically for almost two decades since the time when he was not a patriarch but was only the head of the foreign affairs department of church communications of the moscow patriarchate systematically worked to approve and implement this powerful idea of ​​the russian world, which was now realized in these terrible, inhuman , barbaric, devilish forms, that is, he is

because he headed the so-called all-dimensional russian council every year he was present at these gatherings every year he gave large-scale addresses in which he justified the possibility of the need and the parliaments of this russian world and now that putin, his spiritual child, conventionally speaking, speaking of church terminology, began to embody these ideas in practice, he carries such the same responsibility as the direct leader of the russian federation for these soldiers who go to kill when there was already an understanding of what they were doing here and well, for me, for example, as in a believer does not put this in his head, and not only you, it raises questions for many church leaders and theologians all over the world

. in other parts of the world they are here very often we are guests who constantly hear the question how could this happen as in the head in the value system of a religious community that considers itself one of the most, so to speak, profound manifestations of modern morality and spirituality as a defender of certain so-called traditional values, these values ​​are transformed into the values ​​of blessing, murder , violence, rape, and everything else. therefore, this is a problem not only for you personally, it is a problem for the entire christian world, and when you combine it now, so to speak, spiritually is the worldview dimension of the problem with what you said about the tribunal, then the christian world itself should realize its surprise and question in the

form of a formalized church condemnation and, accordingly, an effort to take appropriate sanctions against the leadership of the russian orthodox church and in general the condemnation of the imperialist and ideological ideology implemented by russia throughout all these stages and until now we are still talking about the higher spiritual leadership if we talk about priests - these are the people who communicate directly with the inheritance and these are the people who have a direct their influence is listened to, they work on the ground, how to be with priests, well , i call priests collaborators. well, i am preparing for the broadcast, one of the last in the estuary, the order of the minister of the st. lawrence church of ksenia st. petersburg is under the control of the moscow patriarchate, she is with a glade

. cooperation with the occupier is obvious , documented in many ways, cooperation with the aggressor . of course, from the point of view of the church - this is the ukrainian church, it should be a living measure, and actually how far is the orthodox church in ukraine, which until recently declared that it is in unity with the moscow patriarchate, how it will react to these cases, this will be a kind of litmus test of how far it independently in its actions as far as it is ready and to protect

the values ​​of the ukrainian identity, the cornerstone of which is independence itself, if this is what the future of the church of the ukrainian orthodox church is taking into account that part of the parish has moved there, but still significantly more parishes remain that belong to the ukrainian orthodox church than to the orthodox church of ukraine, and at the same time we see this cathedral where they seem to be severing ties with the russian orthodox church, but i personally, after reading several articles, it is so unclear that it happened because everyone gives their own explanation of what will happen next, but in your opinion, in fact, this is a rather difficult question, because not only experts can predict absolutely all scenarios of the development of the situation and the actual church hierarchies that convened this council was absolutely clear that it was being convened, or was there an attempt to testify on the one hand that there was a

complete separation from the moscow patriarchate, and on the other hand, a large part of and perhaps even the dominant part of the clergy had a desire not to uh, do nothing significant that would change the canonical status of this structure, but it is impossible to sit, so to speak, on two chairs ago, objectively, the process of deepening uh, so to speak, of moments that testify to uh, the initiation of a new level began of independence, even the head of the church this sunday commemorated the heads of other orthodox churches, not only the russian one, as he had done until now , and this is evidence that the church is acquiring more and more new elements of independence, but on the other hand, we understand that in no document that has yet we saw which was published, it

is not about a conscious desire and obtaining complete canonical autocephaly, even this word is not used, and the entire ideology of the meeting is based on the document on the patriarch oleksiy ii, which he gave to the orthodox ukraine in the 90th year, there is no mention of any independence , so if we only remain conditionally speaking in the legal canonical field of this document, then we cannot talk about full independence if we want to see this independence if the church hierarchs are eager to embody this in real life by their actions within the framework of their dioceses within the framework of the whole church, then they will simply be forced to take the next steps, so to speak, to outgrow the level of this 90-year letter and go to the following elements that testify

to their independence and the basic point is that it is absolutely clear that it is necessary to abandon the ideology of hatred, which was very often embodied in the practical actions of this very church, with all their statements and all their actions, they denied the spirit of christian eh between orthodox understanding, they stood on absolutely exclusive exclusivist positions, only we are correct and all others are outside the boundaries of the truth. if the same philosophy and ideology continue to be embodied, then it it will not bring what is necessary. so now the society of unity, in principle, why should this council take place, it is clear that ukraine has a local orthodox church that received a tomos in

the year 2018, there cannot be another tomos according to canonical rules, and therefore if this church wants and aspires to act in the field of ecclesiastical independence, then she is doomed to communication and to finding models of unity from the ukrainian orthodox church of the holy see in those events that are happening in us, there are also a lot of people in us there are some who profess the greek-catholic faith, the greek-catholic church in us is in communion with the pope , and accordingly among these people there was a lot of indignation personally, even among my acquaintances regarding the peacekeeping mission that the vatican now professes, this is an example that happened during the procession when a ukrainian woman and a russian woman carried this cross hmm , how has the position of the vatican changed now, was there a

reaction to this indignation of ukrainians, and what are the current relations of the vatican of the holy see with the russian orthodox church. thank you very much for the question, but it is complex that i will try very lightly with certain factual points, be on the pope and confirmed at all levels the refusal of the meeting that was planned for june 14 in jerusalem with patriarch kirill. that is, this testimony is unequivocal, at least the holy see is putting relations with the russian orthodox church on pause. a lot of formal and informal things, appeals not only from the pope to putin, he said about it that it was his four attempts to negotiate with the leader of the terrorist state in order to stop his war in russia. he putin refused any contacts with the pope, he tried to influence through the

patriarch and understood that this is also clearly discussed and the pope speaks about it in all private meetings that he is aware that putin refuses the mediating role and the mission that he would like to implement and to represent the vatican with him , and patriarch ryl is absolutely unable to influence the position of the russian leader, and even the term that has already fallen in his controversial interview about patriarch kirill, he called it by putin's altar boy this was actually a direct insult to the head of the russian church and the following day such a rather sharp position of the russian church was published as a reaction to this statement by the pope that in fact with this uh-uh this phrase the pope crosses out the achieved level of relations and makes it impossible for the future therefore it is about relations

between the vatican and russia and russia and the russian orthodox church, of course, there is no question of a complete stop, it is about the fact that the vatican is trying to force russian orthodoxy and the leader of the russian churches to think about their politics, about their messengers that they give to society regarding the first part is also very important, if possible briefly, because unfortunately there was a very dramatic situation about the borders and ukraine very clearly showed that it does not accept, so to speak, the formal approaches and ideology of combining with the aggressor when there are no conditions at the moment, it is necessary to remember that few people in ukraine know that the way of the cross before easter friday was changed due to a very

sharp reaction among ukrainians living in rome and directly in ukraine, absolutely all readings regarding this concept of fraternal nations, which were supposed to be talked about on the way of the cross, were removed, and the day before yesterday, again on the last day of may, the pope prayed in front of the statue of the blessed virgin mary, queen of peace, and there he invited several hundred ukrainians who were all dressed in appropriate such special pieces with ukrainian symbols. vision and a new approach and the pope himself, who led this prayer from the holy see, the realization that moral support for ukraine -

this is now the heart of the holy see's position and policy regarding the war in ukraine. thank you