their resources are limited, because they have already sent them to the military in the countryside, from whomever they could, and peter touches moscow there in a large town. because they don't have any ideological motivation , they only have brown motivation and fear. and at some point, fear of the enemy, that is, in this case, of an operative, of ukrainians, can be stronger than fear of one's own homeland. they just run away, this is the first and second - this resource is limited physically, because there are not so many of these people who can be used as the kidney meat of muscovites . and he puts stuff in his head, it's not young people, that is, it 's not the ones who should be fucked, it's not the ones who are taken into the same army. yes, these are first of all the people, the most soldiers

in russia. he literally jumps off the couch for and now here is a grenade launcher and it will rain, and well, they physically cannot fight, that is, they are already old, sick, and who, besides, yours, that is, youth, that is, except for those who are willing to sell their lives for a discotheque, that is it is not at all considered to be from the hinterlands , except for them, they absolutely do not want to fight and are not ready, this can be seen even from sociological questions, and of course all their inferiority in russia, and they actually are not suitable for putin ’s cannon fodder, they did not contract, they can only be driven away physically brute force and violence, and this will lead to the destabilization of the regime, or they ask what putin is trying to do now, ask for all the reserves of this region, all the reserves of people who are ready to sell themselves for what is called a small price , to sell their lives, and such people end up with him, it can be seen from the negotiations that they treat between the ukrainian side and the russian

servicemen, it can be seen against the information that comes to us as an emigrant, including that it is different from different sources from the russian army. it ended quite quickly чем есть оны лет thank you very much and he says thank you from the russian oppositionist from germany thank you mr. igor thank you for explaining to us a lot of things that i , for example, could not have misunderstood, and we also have questions. i want to tell you mykola before you answer the questions what this is an important topic. by the way, what you and i were talking about, let us understand that when you talked about the image of putin. it was really the external image of putin that you told putin about some european options. and the image of 95. and this image was outside of russia, in russia itself, this was not the case. i specially found the text that i printed in 99 to

you. just to explain my position on this. it is important that the viewers of our hotel understand in november 99 . it's called caudili. i wrote there what kind of state putin's state will be , he was still the prime minister, there were still two months left to resign, i wrote that it will be a state in which the government will not rely on the enthusiasm of the active part society a on special services, the top of the army on people who played an important role in the processes of the last decade, but tired of the revolutionary uncertainty, they decided to replace it with restoration stability, and in this state there will be a strong elite and a political, economic, united opposition will welcome the government's decision, the rights of the owners will be ensured by the state's refusal to review the results of privatization and in the leading role of the authorities and close businessmen and e in the economic percentages of the regional authorities of the federal authorities in the information only how many powers will be necessary and will be

retained by the heads of the regions in this responsibility for the station on the ground in this state, there will be no freedom of speech, there will be no independent editions of tv channels . uninteresting, the majority will be sure that russia is building strongly, which is ready to end terrorism, corruption, the economic crisis , or the pre - construction. russia well, i'll tell you that i'm not only from russia, i ca n't quote myself like you do. because i'm me, but i was in moscow on the day of the presidential election. the russian president was invited to the bbc to explain something there, as if from abroad, from kyiv. look i said such a phrase i still remember that russia will become more russian it was a russian service and a visitation russia will become more russian and when i was asked what it means i say well it means traditionally the king elite boyars er spitting around i

mean these e-e regions of autonomy and so on and so on therefore, a similar reproduction of great russia , a reproduction of this nostalgia for the war, a reproduction of imperial ambitions, the creation of a tsar from the president, and actually speaking, that’s what i had an explanation for, actually what you just read was the question of the 25th anniversary of the agreement extended from the russian federation, there they recognized crimea from sevastopol is ukrainian there, they recognized everything as ukrainian , our border was officially recognized, although in 1993 there were statements by the verkhovna rada of russia about the russian status of sevastopol, but all the years of his master came to sevastopol with speeches that this is their city, but in 1997 we gave in and could have achieved the departure of the black sea fleet from the ukrainian city, as they did only in vain, the russians simply sunk their ships in the latin port to complicate the future of the

city. well, this is an interesting topic. we also witnessed this of history, but i was in the hall when this great contract was signed. and it was in the mariinsky palace . i was there, and there, right there. i think you can correct me if i'm wrong. because it seems to me that this phrase was forgotten, and i woke up in the morning. you did for ukraine yes what did he do for ukraine yeltsin he helped leonid kuchma come to power right second he did not come to kyiv for three years this will be the first visit do you remember yes yes yes kuchma was very dependent on what he came to show his pro-russian electorate to he is also in favor of friendship with russia. although he already tried to distance himself, but the language, as they say, wants to become more friendly, sorry. yeltsin will not come, and they are pressuring us all this time. the contract there was constantly hysterical, it would be necessary to sign large ones, then they do not agree on the

black sea fleet, in fact, kuchma, in the end, he did so often with yeltsin, he conceded, by the way, he conceded this agreement on the borders in the sea of ​​azov yes yes yes yes yes yes yes exactly there is a question, why did it happen like that, and i want to ask those who watch us, uh, on the air of people. let's say yes, well, the older one. and you voted for kuchma. well, that's your choice. well, what can we do? you voted for kuchma, not kuchma. uh, how about that said he did not hide his intentions, he had such a program to restore relations with russia, although it was not zelenskyi's election, there were literally 51 to 49 votes, yes, they believed on the second day when they said that kuchma had won, martynenko and i sat and counted, we did not believe it it didn't work out, of course, i also remember that uh, according to the

results of the first round, kuchma could not win, but he won, he won. it was a choice, i didn't manipulate it, it's real, they say that this laid the foundations of ukrainian democracy, the change of power well, i apologize when the first real change of power took place, people had to go to the maidan, otherwise nothing would have been laid down, the ukrainian people laid down a change of power in the fourth year, and in 1994, but what was laid down in 1994 is the pro-russian development of the state, there are really many vectors, all that we are spitting out now with blood and i don't believe that it could have been otherwise, i 'll tell you by the way that i agree with my words, but when you move back, such were the public moods . well, you're sure, he adds that half of the country voted for kravchuk, so it's not exactly the same nuff well, i don't know, almost half, almost half, but it's better or i agreed on the black based on the black sea floricosis, i'm not convinced kravchuk would

sign a big contract like that, the editorials that are missing, kravchuk needed an egg to come at him, i'm not convinced, well, you see, that means it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that we were doomed to all this means that to imagine ukraine in 1991 or 1992. since estonia or lithuania would ultimately be the majority, it would mean there would be a civil war. chornovil of 1991 told me a lot about this. he i said i want to win the election, and in the 96th number they say and i sometimes think that i won't, god forbid, i won , so it begins in the soviet war was already, well, he , my dear, did not win, won kravchuk at all played kravchuk, there was no civil war, there was no there were supporters of kravchuk they didn't fight with a supporter i'm just saying that it was such a moment when the ukrainian ship went like this and by the way, another great example if we continue in this black sea fleet i'll ask you too and reset it to 2010 when this scoundrel won

viktor fyodorovych would have won alone yulia tymoshenko there was also a little bit a little bit a little bit a little bit yes she signed the kharkiv agreement i don't believe you don't believe it means all the time ukrainians elected presidents who were not all the time but several times strategically important times voted for presidents who actually steered the ship towards russia, and when they themselves began to recover, like kuchma and, by the way, like yanukovych, who tried to sign an association agreement with the european union, it would have been too late because you already know that you have already become a whole nation on this escalator he is going he is going this escalator will come to this station and what should we call this station that we even got to in 1994? they are beginning to reevaluate their positions. leonid danylovych kuchma is now writing such texts. wow, the

last time i read him was when he commented on the death of leonid makarovich kravchuk, when he spoke about the anniversary of ukraine, these texts should have been written by stepan bandera 100%, because who would simply sign who is this wrote who is this politician, stepan bandery, everyone believed but we are not talking about that, but we are reading danylovych's texts with such joy today . you have such a version. my version is very simple, that there is a natural-historical process and you can hope for a change in the vector and for a victory in kravchuk for the second time, but just as natural as you can hope for it, you can also preserve and understand the reasons for the to the authorities kuchma, i insist because there was an option, but this

is how it turned out, we can say that we lost, we lost to russia, that this is not just an objective option for the development of our neighbor. and about and it is also clear that people were so disposed not always always the specification of the elections was work for summers russia did all this they were engaged in it they gave us cheap gas they did not just sit and talk this is you and the mood i know it all was television mykola by the way television social mood what kind of television did you watch in moscow in 1994 maybe the bbc bolt service in which place what kind of your own no what kind of what was your own television in 1994 what is it called in kyiv no well it’s all a russian word and what it was on russian television that they were talking about our elections. well, what is needed to check kuchma? i came to

interview sultan nazarbayev, the president of kazakhstan, half a year before the elections, he tells me, give leonid kuchva into the microphone that he will win elections so that he will win that we want him to win these elections well, i can tell you how it came about how is it 70 years of soviet power and the ussr and that and that we don't have power see all the presidents from nazarbayev and ikarimov the price was so so they shouldn't have wished for the defeat of the current president, the former center was the least communist than them, and kuchma was more communist. that's how it seemed to them, well, despite everything, that's why i just think that it's listen, i always can't, an example on khreshchatyk in the city of kyiv, five people 91 second third years ago, four foreign diaspora journalists and mykola veresen, who speaks in surzhik, spoke in ukrainian, so you just have to understand

that i don't believe in ease, this is not estonia, where people still remember and mothers definitely remembered. and grandmothers, i 100% remember independent estonia and they were europeans internally. and we had europeans living in kyiv and in galicia in three regions who immediately said let's remove the monuments to lenin , let's still teach the ukrainian language, let's start a new state from a new page istanbul race, and the rest of ukraine was absolutely not interested in this. so here it is amazing that kravchuk and kuchma had such a small difference to amazing. by the way, france, germany writes there, they don't really want ukraine's victories, because the vector of european flight will change, and not only after the victory with the subject will appear, not an obscure country, a semi-soviet country , no one, what is your opinion? what

is your opinion ? win, but let's not let ukraine win, let's leave such and such a specific zone because nagasla is rising again and now there are nuclear weapons and what if russia disintegrates, will there be 15 nuclear states or 12 or all yes and there will be a strong ukraine factor well it's not worth it, but by the way, i wanted to return the provocation of ukraine itself. i don't understand why france and germany don't really want the victory of ukraine . by but already this is starting to cause problems because in germany there are even different circles, it's true, but i don't really understand why people think that after a victory a subject will appear,

let's imagine a perfect victory, we won completely i don't know what a train means, well that's what i think but because it is absolutely obvious that victory is without liberating our territory, they did not allow other countries to occupy us, this victory is also our entire territory and and this country even recognized that it is our entire territory yes, and three years later it came again well, maybe it didn’t come, it didn’t even come well, we have a country and a completely degraded economy where it is industrialized we have we have we have we have ukraine from which millions of people left who will return who will not return i don’t know i don’t know we have an economy which even before the war was basically agricultural, which is not a sign of a civilized country in europe has such a percentage of agricultural products. and now additional industrialization has taken place, we will be able to be proud of the fact that we live there in europe, but in european countries, rural areas are very effective

economy without so many resources and space we don't need them so simple they don't do it because they have something else well good all this means er, the first thing we do is appeal to them to give us money money that they invested in our economy, that they helped us, that they helped us get our people, that they could get a social level . if we continue to fight for some time until the final victory, then it is definitely a complete social decline, otherwise, you simply cannot win, you cannot win by god those weapons, too, someone has to serve people there, then people will start returning from the front and there are no jobs, and then she has what kind of you, what will this wonderful subject look like, but i want to know if we will really have a chance to build a state that in 25-30 years will become an important subject of european politics at the level of romania or poland, not at the level of germany, france, i

explain it all the time wrongly . offshol thinks that you can't let them win because 2,000 in the forties no no no it will be an economic tiger , those mountains are gypsies, who knows what the world will look like in 2040 , well, he doesn't know something for sure and he doesn't. i urge you all the time not to live in illusions at all in a ukrainian-centric world. the ukrainian armed forces have really shown in this world how to fight an aggressor, this will be included in the textbooks of european history, but this does not automatically mean building of an economically efficient country, this does not automatically mean that our citizens will responsibly vote for professional political forces,

patriotic, this automatically means victory against corruption, this does not mean anything ahead of ukrainians in a decade of hard work in a deinstrumentalized , depopulated, non-populist from the point of view of populism and from the point of view of the population - a smaller population but many supporters of populist forces in the country, you have to adjust to this. listen, on the other hand, the chances are the same. well, it is up to the ukrainians to depend on them. we can use we can use but well, if not , then no, that means there is no subject, only the object, and everything is our 7th anniversary, well, my 70th, yours is also 70, you will be 70th, the 70th anniversary will be soon. i hope, i hope, our 70th anniversary can take place in a classic european a country that may no longer receive subsidies from other european union countries, but you are producing something yourself, help someone, hungary, do you want to help hungary, but

you will have to. for years on years and and what do you think that i am very happy no i hoped when i was 25 years old and he hoped even earlier because it is because it is more optimistic that when he will be 40 and i will live very well and everyone will be around everyone look i will explain to you why we are like this i was like that yes, but the main idea why we love ukraine and worry is because we depend on advertising, and advertising depends on how much money the average ukrainian earns. america in in holland, in france, vitaly and i would be two millionaires, if not billionaires. no, they

were not billionaires. you don’t need a lot. you would have been free. you would have chosen her. there was no billionaire . of ukrainian , because if the ukrainian union would earn thousands of dollars a month, then everyone has already calculated, well , how much specific people would earn as journalists and tv presenters would earn huge money, but there is no way to earn huge money then russia, then again russia, then again russia and again russia are ready to earn less just so that you earn more i am ready to tell you the truth so that you understand you are ready ready ready yes yes yes we have another question, of course, there is a question, is it possible to have a quick introduction ukraine to us i don't see i don't believe i don't i always understand that there will be someone there who will be against or greece or cyprus or

the same hungary in the first place i think eh i don't know what turkey will say shorter it may be there may be many eh i don't believe in fast in general, fast movements from europeans should not be trusted because there are no fast movements and collectively yes, and in principle, europeans think for a very long time why america is developing faster because they have one language there and they are faster simply americans make decisions much faster one political area not only political because a pole needs to talk to a swede, an american in any state speaks english to each other, well, not everyone, anyway, there are such and such obstacles, but you just need to understand that they will always take a long time to make a decision, well, and i was surprised. by the way, what happened to finland and sweden? well, yes, we talked to you briefly. yes,

if the swedes are finns and you are not even er, they will somehow reduce the influence of the kurds. questions look well, i, well, listen to this, well, i don't know, well, apparently, when we were talking before the broadcast, and i said, he expressed such an assumption that apparently someone laughs hard at his jokes in the administration of the ukrainian president and it's really a joke he very often has such witty ones and that's why when decided, well decided the problem is that someone suggested and said come on, we'll give you a passport, i think that a ukrainian passport should not be a reward, but i'm honest, i want ukraine to be a refuge for ukrainians first of all, well, it's simple, but i know for sure passport-passport i know for sure that if i fly

to ben-gurion airport in jerusalem, i am in 30 minutes. well, if of course i issue a rehearsal exit accordingly, i received the citizenship of the state of israel not because i have merit, i don’t have your merit, not because i am famous there or unknown, but simply because the state of israel was created to protect jews if they want to live on this land, we do not have this attitude towards ukrainians. i would like every ukrainian to know that a passport of ukraine is not an award , but protection, protection. i will not even say what it should be ethnically, and i was born in ukraine, let's say you have ukrainian roots, you can be an ethnic russian there, a jew, an armenian, i don't know who you are, you have a connection with this country and you get ukrainian citizenship, you know it was it's been a long time since we're old people, we do farting

from time to time because we're really not very young, but once there was some kind of anti-semitic demonstration there in the 90s and many, many ukrainians under the two flags of the jewish jewish state and the yellow-blue flag above on the maidan and protested against this anti-semitism, which was expressed by some odesa communist uncle there, and then ivan drach spoke, as i remember now, and he told you, sir, our goal is to make the jews in ukraine live better than the poles in israel than in poland, a russian is better than in russia. i don't know, do you think that a passport is an asylum, a passport is an asylum, yes, and a paralogist for those who want to live in ukraine and have a connection with ukraine, who wants to build ukraine, who ultimately has eyes ukrainian values ​​well, where else do we speak

the ukrainian language now, he will say beautifully, i just want to live in a free country, i want to help there as much as i want there, i want nothing, he said a simple thing that he is ukraine, he is a victim, he is on the side of the victim, yes, he said that in general. well, what? god forbid even 3% more the russians said so, they may or may not say it, but it is definitely related to citizenship . the pen is a passport of ukraine, a passport is not needed , now we can just give good russians ukrainian passports and solve their problems, e.e. credit cards, trips on their territory, maybe there are some other possibilities to solve the problem, how, how, how do people do in germany

? germany gives long-term visas to russian public figures, journalists, many people there have a lot to do with it, and everyone will say, "what's the point of this to someone, it's here or not, but they don't give them german citizenship so that this a person received a soviet german for 6 years. yes, you must live there permanently, pass a language test, history. yes, yes, yes, support citizenship not as a gift, but because you became part of this country . the president or someone wants to help all the people who oppose the war. they have to create this long-term program of the ukrainian troops, and i , for example, can't understand it at all, but also what criteria does a russian have to do to get under such a program? i don't know what criteria the germans

have, what is necessary to do and they have absolutely clear criteria mykola there er-er that's why okay are you a journalist and who were you fired from your job for anti- war articles show the articles you are an employee of a public organization associated with germany which they closed it and announced her as an agent for that and that's all you er, there are er, absolutely criteria, they found this . look, you can't invent these criteria, you understand. you can come to the german embassy and say er, you know i was insulted. i was insulted. did they choose the journalist? do they listen to your program? another question: i really want to talk about him .

public opinion in lviv was agitated. it was one of the railway maidan of the constitution, of course i and i would like to say a few words because i understand both of them and whom he did not serve and those who do not know the ukrainian language, but i wanted to speak with him in russian, but i have one question: people who don't know ukrainian can use 50 words in total. i'm not saying that you don't need to speak like shevchenko or lesya ukrainka . 50 maximum is required how much does it cost, please show me, well, well, it’s dozens of words, it’s hundreds of words, ladies, cordially, can’t you, ladies, they will be, why is it normal in poland, yes? and it’s not always surprising, it’s the

cultural weakness of the company. i already commented on this situation on the nta tv channel. i said a lot there , i will say only one thing. i believe that it is the same. it is a question of culture, as if you cannot approach a person. well, in principle, no one tells you what language to speak with each other, but you can respect a person in his hometown in the region of the country and you say if do you know russian plots with us in this language - no, this is a question of culture, and now you are culturally broadcasting radio liberty well, how are people over cultured good luck ladies and gentlemen vitaly portnikov mykola september greetings - this is freedom life my name is vlasta lazur we pray on the pages radio svoboda on facebook and youtube, as well as on the espresso tv channel