british degardian with a reference to sasha here e-e on agence france-presse i apologize quote i think and told him that he made a historic and fundamental mistake for his people for himself and for history said macron macron in an interview with french regional media and the president of france together with he added that russia should not be humiliated, that on the day of the cessation of hostilities, we could find a way out through diplomatic means, end of quote emmanuel macron well, he also noted that putin is currently isolated to get out of this state a difficult path, in addition, macron noted that he does not rule out his coming to the ukrainian capital , we will talk about it with political scientists later, but for now we will continue the topic of evacuation from hot areas, we just spoke with the head of the avdiiv administration of the military , and vostok sos volunteer romana zhilenko is with us on the air roman congratulations you

say good morning as you like. tell me, please , we were talking about the audio girl, so vitaly barabash says that we are asking people to leave and now the departures have become more active, but it is dangerous because there is only one road and she is under fire, and i remembered that naftogaz ordered armored cars, what is there a range rover, what is here, land cruiser 200, seven armored backpacks , naftogaz ordered armored cars, how is the evacuation from these territories happening now, where there is constant shelling, where it is just hell, how is it happening, how are you you do this with what machines, what forces and means do we then have the forces of our organization vostok sos, and minibuses from germany and switzerland were brought to us, as buses are not armored, well

, in good technical condition. well, now we we go to the arena in the passenger master for 8 years , they have cars to transport people, yes, and cars to take people out, yes, well, and one of the cars in which we have 80 people, we have more specialized machines for lying down, that is, there is less seating, more space to put people those who cannot sit on the mattresses are currently being evacuated from which cities from which settlements is relevant e-e well, we mostly have eta bakhmut eta solidar eta nikolaevka slavyansk kramatorsk started evacuating a week ago literally from kramatorsk there was no one now every day of the application всё больше и больше краматорская well, what are the ones that are closer

to bakhmut, the force from the bakhmut district, are there many people who want to leave, or do we have to be persuaded? do people want it themselves, how does it happen ? those who remained are mostly old people with little access to the disabled, and mostly people who are no longer needed by anyone, children may be somewhere far away, may not be needed at all, so it happens very often. go yes, here and there, you start your hand, it ’s better to die in bed somewhere in the carpathians, god forbid if he flies in. well, according to the rules, such conversations end when one of them flies to the house, or the neighbors to the house or to the next street, yes, somehow to

i'm sorry, you took these people there from kramatorsk, you say sloviansk, and then how does it happen. where are you taking them and who will come next, where do these people live? to lviv in the dnipro in our organization vostok sous there are several temporary accommodation points , that is, they can stay there for several days, antoniteli up to two, and then further they are already assigned somewhere in western ukraine or abroad, there are also such options roman a how long have you been doing this personally? because we were told here that you are a private entrepreneur and a sports coach. how long have you been doing volunteer work

? at first, bread was distributed free of charge by the forces of our city council, bread baking was organized , here i am in my minibus with alexander kuzmenko, this is our head of the ministry of education and sports. here we delivered this bread to remote parts of the city , then he began to take women and children to the nearest railway station, donetsk region, er, er, er, on march 10, i was a family in the dnipro, as the situation has been very tense for two years. literally today, i got into

a car that took me to the dnipro and once a week i came from the dnipro to kremennaya for a week. i collected humanitarian goods for kremennaya, for the hospital, for the city council , and so on. aleksandr, there were still people, people asked us to drive out the cars, we filled these cars so that we ran by ourselves in general at one time, from 30 to 60 people, then on april 18, the city of kremennaya, the occupiers entered kremennaya, here is the route there it was closed, changed, the east came out, and since

then we have been negotiating with them, what is the situation in general in crimea now, you are in the occupied territory of the northern luhansk region, what is happening there now, well, first of all, there are very big problems with communication, so there is no reliable information, well, crimea is being shelled now but it is very safe to be there. sloviansk and in kramatorsk. where are you taking people from now? what is the situation in terms of accommodation? how comfortable is it there now? are there food and water? and what are

the moods there? well, according to my feelings, in slavyansky and in kramatorsk, there are not less than 30% of the population left. there is probably already one and a half in the territory of the entire donetsk region, but people are finding a way out, and we, including an electric stove, bought electricity for us. the periodical disappears in slavyansky, mainly in kramatorsk, more or less water will be obtained with it, well, i understand that, too, it is tied to itself, it works, eh, stores. well, i'll tell you, the stores work. i don't know. maybe the fifth part can be less. and in principle, people don't starve. gold doesn't die. what about slavyanskaya and kramatorsk, well, some kind of humanitarian aid, some kind of help, in general , it’s mostly the old people who stayed, or, uh,

practical, there’s nowhere for these people to go. we have kramatorsk, as if there is a church , a transfer point for seeds, we manage to get to the railway station when we ask for my train, we go there and talk, and then there the next day because of the big money of the bus, but they are fed there, that is, there are good technical conditions, how are the plants going people, people are sitting in many rooms in basements. yesterday, they took an empty stomach out of the basement in kramatorsk , and a woman with cerebral palsy was asking for 0:3 outside for a

month . evacuation or are there any other operational tasks they were sent by the organization, i know them since the 14th year. since the first war, it means now that they are engaged in er, rendering and humanitarian aid, psychological support for immigrants, as well as documentation of war criminals, well , evacuation, er, i just joined the team, dnipro vostok, er, it means our team is a few let's say a few shelters in the dnipro and in the region that have taken couples on the

balance for maintenance eh constantly means eh they give out a humanitarian woman just to everyone who signs up , they will move очень конечно большая and so everything is good with the installation but that's not people come to me every day, plus we have our own internal chat, what kind of problems are there from the side where the heat arises immediately, for a long time, the car is located, this helps to solve and where does this humanitarian come from, who provides her, you know, i definitely will not answer this one is probably from europe, probably western ukraine is also engaged in

it from somewhere . buy what kind of business were you engaged in e.e. as a private enterprise i was engaged in woodworking, that is sawing and blue drying of overhangs and production of carpentry products sinus. when do you think you will be able to return to your work? bane put their tanks under my canopy and so on as far as everything is preserved there roman thank

you for what you do roman zhilenko vostok sos volunteer transports people eh in donetsk region from donbas, a former sports coach and, er, a private entrepreneur, well, i won't say former, because a private entrepreneur is a person who always finds something to do. and when the war just drives people looking for who needs help, well, it's actually very sad that there are people in such at an age where they simply cannot go anywhere or who can’t even. can you imagine how many people are just lying there at home or sitting there who can’t even go out in the basement or sit in the basement if they got there, well, it’s just terrible. thank you to the novel for what i read the latest information from zaporizhzhia, the russians shelled gulyaipole with rocket launchers, the zaporizhia regional administration reports that the russian scum continue to cynically violate the norms of the law of war, in particular , they fired on the civilian

infrastructure and peaceful households of the city of gulyaipole, as well as from the artillery of the villages of preobrazhenka and uspenivka, which were damaged as a result of russian artillery strikes about 11 houses and two shops, in addition, the enemy shelled the positions of units of ukrainian troops along the line collisions with all types of weapons in the area of ​​populated areas mlynivka calmness small tokmachka poltavka novo novopillya olhiyske v rymyvka zeleny gai guliopilskyi red gulyaipole orikhov kaminske small shrebaki and magical says the message of the zaporizhzhia regional administration well in odesa region a missile attack was also carried out the territory of an agricultural enterprise was hit two victims reports operational southern command, a missile attack by an air-based cruise missile occurred this morning, according to the aircraft of strategic aviation, an x-59 missile was launched, the territory of an agricultural

enterprise was hit, the warehouses were quickly extinguished by rescuers , two victims were previously extinguished, an investigative and operational group is working on the spot, it is said in the message of the operational command south, this information is from odesa, we are attaching it to our expert, military analyst serhiy zgurets with us, we welcome you, i congratulate you , mr. sergey, or tell me, maybe you know otsya kha-59, what kind of missile is this, i understand that it is still of old soviet production, which today fired at the odesa region, this is a missile that, by the way, is the most widely used by the russian air force today, with a horde of other modern weapons, the harb 59 missile has several versions of modernization and has a range of up to 300 km, and it can also be used for launches from outside the borders of the territory of ukraine, what exactly does the aggressors use, there are always

risks for their planes if they fly into the airspace of ukraine, but i read about it that it was developed in 1975 and released it was adopted there by some people there 8 80-82 year and why, serhiu, the ukrainian armed forces do not have these missiles, and please explain why we were left even without those missiles that were obviously in our arsenal at at dawn at the dawn of our uh, of our independence, well, now, relatively speaking, uh, you can analyze the problems related to the lack of missile weapons, but i think that now we need to look for ways out of this situation, uh, first of all, our uh, aviation really doesn't have cruise missiles, that's why that to whom without saying eh the conditions of our internal disarmament led to this, and now we only use air-to-

air missiles to fight the enemy, and as for ground systems, we are really still stocking up on soviet operational-tactical missile systems, period, and there is something else when we speak about aviation weapons, we really lag behind what the aggressor currently has. i think that the biggest interleague for me and for our viewers is around severodonetsk, because first of all the information that we are starting to repel the enemy within the city and where we relatively speaking already control half of the city, if as mr. gaidai says, the situation is quite unusual in my opinion, because, relatively speaking, we are fighting in conditions where the enemy

accumulates a significant amount of forces, but now due to tactics, due to drawing up reserves, we see that we are causing significant damage to the enemy, but this does not mean that general risks are removed directly related to the prospects of this city. although we can also say that the british intelligence and the institute for the study of war say that in two weeks there, if the enemy accumulates enough together with the resources, he will be able to buy this city in turn . and other officials say that we will hold the city. and further, i think that the intrigue here will persist in relation to other directions, the enemy's efforts to act in the directions where they had the most accumulated forces. this is directly the zone of the raisin and estuary in in the direction of sloviansk and actions from pastoral to bahmut, if we take into account the statements

of the general staff, it was not successful. it was precisely those two areas that are the most potentially dangerous in relation to kharkiv there and kherson, where we have positive changes in pushing back the enemy , then the enemy tried to carry out counterattacks if we talk about the fact that the enemy has switched to defensive actions, as the same institute for the study of war claims, it is still a premature statement . brestgalshchyna may be all in the next two weeks, uh, captured well, we we are talking about the fact that this again concerns the fate of the city of severodonetsk. and there it is said that if additional resources and the like are brought in, that is, in fact, all the western raiders say that russia has the potential, just on the example of severodonetsk, but it is interesting that i will just

repeat the actions of the ukrainian side in the city show that the general staff probably has enough information about what the enemy has and decided to use exactly the reserves in order to inflict maximum losses on the russian side, that is, the question is exactly reserves is the most confidential issue , which, as you know, the correct use of reserves of different levels allows for such measures as are being implemented today by the ukrainian side in relation to north donetsk. well, they say that without the replenishment of manpower and equipment, they will not be able to do anything more there. and what do they have now with manpower and equipment, according to your estimates, because there are already almost 31,000 casualties, and muscovites burned by the ukrainian military .

hostilities and the use of those units that are used by the russian federation directly in the north donetsk zone, here we have cases where the personnel are not motivated, if we are, by the way, and the losses are related to the low level of medical care and the low level of combat training, just like that significantly affect the performance of combat tasks by the russian side , there were interesting cases that in the very same analysis to which you refer to the institute for the study of war, information is provided that the low level of medical care carries out a significant number of amputations of russian soldiers because the medics cannot cope with the conditions of hostilities and do not have an insufficient level of various equipment. i think that this just

means that we are effectively using artillery, too, because there were reports that if we we are bringing other artillery to severodonetsk and hradi, which allows us to inflict significant losses on the enemy and minimize the actions they use, they also use artillery, and then there are some strategic plans, as i understand it now, everyone the russians threw their forces precisely at the seizure of the north-donetsk lesychan mountain communities, these are the remnants of the luhansk region. well, then there is sloviansk kramatorsk, the exit to the borders of the donetsk region. well, this is their strategic plan . then they have the next step in the plan. and then we will decide where to move next. well, that's our step. and here are the heads of the operational management, if we take into account the recent briefings, it says that theoretically the plan is russia's exit to the borders of donetsk and luhansk oblasts and ensuring e-e

control along the entire corridor of southern ukraine from russian territory directly to transnistria, but this plan, conditionally speaking, requires significant e-resources, and on the other hand , another trend is now gathering pace - it directly leads to such a protracted war and attempts by them they say that there are a number of european leaders and the same for putin to split the west and enter the stage of the negotiation process . the strong russian side to continue hostilities, so now it is extremely important for ukrainian diplomacy to break this plan with putin and certain european leaders in order to minimize the risks of such a split in the accumulation of forces, how long can it

take, which you are talking about, uh , i think that now the russian side, after the situation around north donetsk, will go according to the format of preparing for the accumulation of forces, and it may take up to six months, and at this time active diplomatic meetings will be held there divisive efforts of the russians to ensure sports, internal changes in the position of some european countries caused by the issue of food , energy problems, migration, that is, all these areas that are troubling europe today, so that they are used to put pressure on ukraine to conclude some intermediate agreements eh hmm please comment on the latest statements e various politicians, including dmytro kuleba

, the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs and volodymyr putin and oleksandr lukashenko spoke about this regarding the unblocking of black sea ports ukrainian odesa chornomorsk regarding the export of ukrainian grain, putin said that russia is ready to provide some guarantees if ukraine unblocks, unblocks, demines its ports, the russians say they will not attack these humanitarian convoys, well koliba said that for this we need guarantees, not russian, but international. well, now i i will find verbatim quotes from the point of view of the military point of view, should we risk demining ukrainian ports for the sake of the possibility of exporting ukrainian wheat, you as a military expert what can you do to say about this from the point of view of lifting the blockade in the military sense, the question of demining is only one small component, because

in fact the russian side still has the possibility of using submarines , aviation, missile armament of the zone , as well as the serpentine, that is, the military direction of unblocking the ports with one -e demining does not end and because precisely the issue related to the ports with the food crisis is the most powerful lever of influence on europeans and americans in the hands of the russian parties, which will be used for a long time as the most important factor in influence in the political sense, negotiating with russia will also be difficult because it is about the fact that russia wants to lift part of the sanctions, no one knows which part of the sanctions and the same means what is the switch, then

the issue of our territories, our security and other things that are extremely important to us take a back seat to the issue of supplying grain there to states that may suffer from this. so here the situation is quite complex, multivariate and complex and where the military factor, unfortunately, is not critically important, the countries of the european union can use their naval forces to ensure the protection of these transport ships that took ukrainian grain from odesa and chornomorsk to other ports. of the united forces of nato in europe just a few days ago where he says that it is necessary to create a coalition of states that took responsibility for the protection of ships

turkey, which primarily controls the straits there, bulgaria , romania and other countries that will join in this mission should enter there. it is quite difficult to transfer directly to nato or to us ships, because it is like a situation immediately in the military dimension, so it is necessary to create a new one co- coalition where actually can be ensured such a process, but i repeat, military challenges from the russian side are all the same let’s say yes, they will significantly affect the safety of these transports, and relatively speaking, this idea is still does not have er any serious continuation and support from the point of view of creating such er er international protective convoys serhii zgorets, a military expert was our guest we have a minute of silence at 9:00 then news on

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