and only in rotterdam for the congress of the european people's party, and then there are some movements in the president's office, someone is being removed from the body, as they say, someone is being approached, will there be any elections ? will there be any activity there, and why suddenly, after that, a truce i'm like this kind of war is starting to erupt again, here are these scandals that, to be honest, no one needs, please listen, come on well, i will say cynically and primitively about poroshenko - there is someone to talk about it and i read it all the time. i don't want to defend anyone here, that's all it is so clear and they can. that is , there are no questions at all, they can. that is why they will do it as long as they are allowed to do it, so to speak

, the possibilities of a truce. does not believe so, well, it simply cannot stand that russia or ukraine or the world in general will not stand such a long withdrawal, everyone wants it to be normal, absolutely we want to plan, well, a certain one in the historical perspective of the corona, very interesting processes are starting, this is the restoration of ukraine, we are constantly we read from everyone, from the opposition to the government, what sums of money the west will allegedly allocate to us. yes, it is about hundreds of billions of dollars. well, of course , politics and money in our country are combined, so to speak, absolutely, and that is why of course ah, as soon as this peace ends , when peace ends in victory, the war will end, or because it hasn't ended, political processes will begin, ah, such as in order to secure their places in the future redistribution , including this financial aid, so banal

well, it's banal, it's just about money. well, i say it should be, but listen, it should be if we have a society, if we have a civil society, which we have the military, we have many other factors that will not allow us to turn into uzbekistan. i have no doubt about it, but what is on mine, that is, i am on the spot there. you yourselves know who you all are . you sat for the president purely by profession. you probably sat somewhere approximately based on certain tasks and the desire to please and extend your contract. in a specific structure, i would offer the following options. so that we can completely seize power, of course, you can always say find a reason. if that person is not needed, he will not share this power with anyone, then we

will carry out these reforms that the protection is shutting down from us in the fastest, best way, and so on. this question was asked by zelenskyi . stanford students do you have a temptation about so uh actually to become such an enlightened dictator or authoritarian leader to carry out reforms quickly he said that i wouldn't be allowed to do that even if i wanted to but i'm not sure that i would i want it to be such a quote. well, i’m not saying what it is. i think that zelenskyi is aware of it, and zelenskyi has reached such a mega level of popularity that i, for example, do not completely reject the moment after the war, he became so, so to speak . i didn’t think it up, it was thought up by a friend of mine , but it’s very good, so to speak, a system like gorbachev ’s, yeah, that is, he will be very loved in the west, and maybe they won’t love ukraine very much, and when he comes there for many reasons, he can go to a completely

different level altogether their activities a political figure of a global scale, such a figure. let's break the conditions. they don't indicate what's there. i don't know. well, let's go early. and it's important that he doesn't get bogged down in these internal problems that we see in the manifestations of them. even now, we see them. yes, because i have a task that he performs. much more than someone's desire to buy a newer mercedes, to upgrade , or to have a second or third hiv in italy, and so on, this is oleksiy, he is still very good, he is older, very shortly, in two minutes, but i want to, you can't ask, but the adviser to the head of the president, podolyak, said that the war can, in principle, end illogically quickly due to the fact that in russia there are certain showdowns within the government and there are some other processes about the fact that everything is very good there and maybe, in principle, it will end somehow just like that just because of this, is

podolyak not exaggerating waiting uh and can this really happen, i can calmly do it. do you understand that this is a virtual war for 90% of russians? it is so far a virtual equal plus, i give you very often russian television as they are polled, well, not russian television, russian streams there as they are polled there independence, journalists, citizens, they are all well, what is there, and so on, but when the question is whether to prepare to sign up, yes, they all coincide somewhere, and for these, it will be very easy to simply sell the ending and literally just simply stop shooting, conditionally speaking, this is here in theirs, nothing will change for them maybe mcdonald's will return there, well, everyone , holobutsky, thank you very much for the conversation. we already have to

say goodbye. watch an interview with n apple, because she is a very, very important, interesting historian, an american writer, a very influential person, in fact, about whether ukraine should cede territories and so on. so, today we present our conversation with n apple bount - she is an american journalist , writer, historian winner of many international awards and apple's own place, it's nice to meet you. i'll start with a question related to the forum in davos that ended recently. we heard the statements of famous speakers such as henry sanger and george soros and many condemned kissinger's point of view regarding ukraine, namely

his proposal to give up part of our territory in exchange for peace, in our country they say that the opposition is a son of a bitch as a politician in general and paying too much attention because he is just an elderly man from the distant distant past, but what if he voiced what others simply do not dare to say out loud , critics claim that he does not have such a powerful influence as some imagine, i am convinced that his statements are the statements of soros and others really reflect the real contradictions that are going on inside the countries of the west in washington, london, berlin, paris and brussels. these contradictions concern the issues of how the war should end and

where we should go. should remain an independent state and kyiv - the capital , that ukraine will exist and become an increasingly integrated part of the west, this is what we hear from a wide range of people, excluding those who previously have never been interested in ukraine, the disputes are about how long the war can last, how the ukrainian economy can hold out, how long the usa is ready to continue supporting the ukrainian army, so i think that this is nothing more than a natural difference of opinion. some believe that we are capable of doing more than others are convinced of this. i would not perceive every such statement from every western leader as truly significant because it is a constant argument in current discussions. it is also important that a lot

of people, government officials, journalists, academics kissinger's statements were criticized, kissinger in no way voiced anything secret, he is simply a participant in this large-scale discussion of how we should support ukraine and how the war should end. now there is a deep understanding that ukraine should under no circumstances give up the territories that have been occupied since february 24, given the atrocities committed there on how the russian troops behave in the territories they entered, such as purges, mass murders, rapes and the like, we are well aware of this, because the information came to us from influential western media over the past two months, i believe that no one will put pressure on zelenskyi to end the war as soon as possible. there are fears about the duration of the war and

what it will take to sustain hostilities . this is what we hear when such voices and calls for an end to the war break through. war and yet we saw an article in the new york times. and by the way, it was an editorial. you also saw an article in the washington post in which a completely opposite opinion was expressed. i also wrote an article that is clear government officials also disagree with the opposition to such statements. and high-ranking officials, as i have already said, the contradictions continue and are focused mainly on the scale of support, on how long we will be able to continue providing it, such a narrative has certain legal components, but i would not perceive them

as some kind of secret plan to to end the war, in my opinion, this will not happen. how popular is the idea of ​​saving putin's reputation, finding a way for him to get out of this war so that he saves his face? we sometimes hear similar thoughts and what is this from macron? what do you think? he wants such concessions and he is really looking for ways that would somehow help end the war. although i do not see any evidence of this, if russia does not start a new war again in a couple of months, all efforts must be directed to she suffered a complete defeat , they are suffering great losses and not only in the kremlin, but also throughout the country understand that the old policy

of imperialist aggression is definitely not in their favor , that is why i am rooting for putin's defeat, not for some relief for him, not for the preservation of his reputation, etc., then there is an idea that the longer the war lasts, the worse the situation becomes for ukraine and the more difficult it is for everyone else, therefore there will always be those who will campaign for a faster end to the war, of course. some of them are wrong, some want to return to the times when we conducted normal trade with russia i am convinced that this is impossible , and yet some people still have legitimate concerns about ukraine, the discussion continues, i emphasize that putin cannot be indulged in any way, save him, invent some kind of favorable agreement for him

as far as i know, the biden administration shares my point of view. and the fact that someone expresses himself differently does not mean that everyone will suddenly rush to quickly end the war, he may be wrong. but sometimes it seems that ukraine is important for the west because we have a lot in common with russia, and therefore we can in what way can i positively influence them and be an example although, for example, if you say about me, i just want to see ukraine as an ordinary european state, which would be let there be just some romania or even bulgaria on the border of europe and

just a little bigger or even in my dreams such as poland. by the way, you know a lot about poland. do you think this is even possible? are we , or are we, on the contrary, forever doomed to be in the shadow of russia? we have two versions of president zelensky at the same time, one version for foreigners, another for ukrainians, and the problem is that these versions are very different. what i am trying to say is that our democracy is still very fragile and we

we really need your support also in order to change our economy, because it is still very far from the freedom of real freedom . i would never have believed that ukrainian flags would fly not only in poland, but also in london, washington, everywhere that people would come out in support of ukraine, it is truly incredible from this point of view, he is doing a great job with his duties as far as future economic reforms in ukraine, i hope the war will give us an answer to the question of what kind of economy ukraine wants to have, it would be

unreasonable for ukraine to hope that the main part of the profit would continue to come from the transit of gas through russian gas pipelines, this segment of the economy has exhausted itself or it needs to be significantly changed, it must to be a competitive economy fair to small businesses and ordinary people so that they have the opportunity to create their own business and strive to change themselves and society as quickly as possible thinking about what will be the scenarios for the reconstruction of the ukrainian economy after the war, what needs to be fundamentally changed, i think that it is right now to start talking about it because one of the main mistakes of ukraine in the last 30 years was the failure to accept economic reforms. as part

of the security issue, after all, a more powerful and influential economy could would be one of the factors in strengthening ukraine and it would be more difficult to conquer it, the perception of ukraine as a weak and corrupt state pushed putin to invade because he predicted an easy victory, they saw ukraine and western countries in the same way, that is why they refused to help ukraine militarily even before the war zelenskyi ukrainians and zelenskyi's efforts forced them to change their minds, therefore it is important for ukrainians to take advantage of the moment after the war to build an honest and dynamic economy for the benefit of all of you did they mention the importance of the issue of security or this is not the reason why ukraine must first join nato and only then talk about joining the eu, there are many conversations

about what security guarantees can be for ukraine after the war and it really has to be something real and not memoranda like the one in budapest in 1994, so i would push for ukraine to join nato, i would direct efforts to ensure that even nato troops were stationed on the territory of ukraine in order to avoid a repeated invasion, perhaps not everyone is ready to share my position but i hope that if the security structure is in place, then there will be no repetition of such a situation in the future, we had 2014, now 2022 and we don't need another war in 2025 or 27 during the peace settlement, whenever it comes, we cannot do without careful consideration of this aspect, i see no reason

why ukraine will not be able to timely carry out economic , political and military reforms of the future, security european integration will provide ukraine with a strong economy, as well as its perception as a country where you can do business profitably , where the legal system works perfectly, where there are many dynamic and energetic people and interesting companies and so on, all this will also help ukraine acquire the image of a stable and safe state that others would be ready to defend. as a whole, there are also people in poland who prefer a kind of isolation and want to rule the country on both sides of the

european union, and i keep stressing that this is a bad idea. if you want to be part of the western security alliance, you also need to join the western political alliance of the political community and the western economic community, therefore in ukraine it is necessary to move in all these directions at the same time you are the author of the book red hunger, stalin's war against ukraine, books about the famine in 32-33 today we see how putin is trying to provoke a world food crisis, is it possible to compare these two dictators and clear parallels because putin with his propaganda is somewhat different, he is still not significantly more effective than before stalin's propaganda they have certain points of contact

. following the bolsheviks and stalin, putin also understands that food can be turned into a weapon for the purpose of destroying and manipulating people, probably at the beginning of the war, then he was well aware that if he managed to stop the export of ukrainian grain , even if he resorted to stealing it, it would strike on the ukrainian economy and will become an important trump card for him, now it seems that he is trying to use the functioning of the ports in exchange for the lifting of sanctions, and i think that in the next few months, it will be about this. i support and hope for the support of the leaders regarding the creation of a

humanitarian corridor in the black sea, which would be provided by foreign vessels, turkish, french , possibly american, and others that would protect the port of odessa and the export of grain in general, since the crisis is only gaining momentum, i hope that this option the development of events will be taken seriously, i and other influential people support such a decision , the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania recently expressed his support in writing, i hope that this soon it will become a reality, i am convinced that putin imitates stalin in using food as a lever of influence, he does not pay attention to human sacrifices, he does not care that people are starving either in north africa or in ukraine, and he is ready to press this lever so that you play war and achieve some