e-e of lviv in the zhytomyr region. this is the monastery of the stauropygium of the russian orthodox church. it was signed with a direct e-e omophor by patriarch kirill of such a simple temple in our country. the first thing is that the russians are generally sure that they can rebuild everything better. these holiday discounts well, they burned down the moscow arena in the center of the city near red square and demolished the moscow hotel, which was an architectural monument, in order to build it better than brezhnev's. because they didn't like what was there there are no elite apartments and an underground garage . and this is a monument of architecture from the beginning of the 20th century. i am not talking about the arena, but everyone knew that it was not you, but it burned down during some accident. for two things, the first is that they

will rebuild it better there, the second is because they blame it on the ukrainian army, you see all the russian or english sources say that it was done by a ukrainian nationalist ukrainian nationalists are destroying russian churches well, what can i say and i think there will be e- is of propagandists who will confirm this in russia. so this is an absolutely logical thing, and the historical monuments themselves do not become any information for russians. you are talking about a country where there were stables in the churches. but this is absolutely , absolutely correct, deputy director of the center of the army of conversion and disarmament on international issues with us on skype p mykhailo we wish you a good evening well let's start with your assessment of the situation on the fronts e-e we see that the institute for the study of war with reference to the british ministry of defense

this american institute declares that russia can establish control over the luhansk region. during the next few weeks, at the same time , analysts add that russia attacking severodonetsk is wasting so much manpower and equipment that it is unlikely that it will be able to recover after that and establish control over donbas in principle. well, how does it look with your eyes the situation and how it can develop in the coming weeks, it is absolutely true that russia, i mean the russian generals whom putin is chasing, is trying to fulfill a political task, that is, from severodonetsk, now it is it is not a military task - it is an exclusively political one. they are trying to announce that they occupied and occupied the entire luhansk region and to announce the so-called de-occupation of the so-called lpr, for them it meant at least some kind of first victory, starting from february 24, to look for some kind of tactical

expediency or operational efficiency is not necessary here, in fact, when they deal with severodonetsk, they find themselves in an even worse tactical situation than they were before. or the task of this so-called battle for donetsk was not actually taking severodonetsk or gaining control over the administrative border of the luhansk region and of course the encirclement of the ukrainian armed forces, taking them into the so -called cauldron, and in this way this dream of putin and the russian generals would be realized by forcing the ukrainian side to some negotiations and fixation already the situation is exactly according to the conditions that putin would set, because it is obvious that they cannot achieve the goals they talked about on february 24. they have completely failed now. putin is trying to achieve at least some success in donbas. i am extremely interested in the situation

with the high-mars and in general with the supply of defensive weapons to ukraine and such as will allow us to go on a counteroffensive, in fact, everything is very interesting here and there are a lot of subtleties, well, for example , we finally got the green light for the high-mars and the first group of ukrainian servicemen has already started training to manage and use these reactive systems of volley fire that we will receive from the united states and possibly other allies from the anti-russian coalition actually writes about this on twitter . are continuing in an unknown place outside the usa and american army instructors are already working with our military. well, actually, we have been waiting for this news about highmars for a long time, and i was somewhat surprised

by these rsvs, which the ukrainian army will currently receive , at least in this first delivery from the united states, four of them will arrive please tell me how much it is quite possible. if we talk about high mars, it is really quite a lot, but it seems unclear how to divide these four cars. we are with all the hottest points on the map, where are they may be needed, absolutely true, we have a front of more than 1,000 km, of course, four installations are not enough to perform some really important tasks. i think that we are talking about four pieces exclusively for the time being for the training and training of personnel, there should be dozens of such e-e installations and perhaps even hundreds in order to really deliver powerful blows to the russian forces in the depth of the enemy. i would also like to draw attention to the fact that we had a lot of discussions about whether 70 km missiles are enough for us or do we need 300 km

because himars and meloveration 270 is a modular system, that is, the main thing is to deliver the actual launchers to ukraine, and modules with different types of ammunition can already be delivered during the use of these installations, well, roughly speaking , the installation can use rocket ammunition with a range of 70 km and maybe 300 km the installation itself, the module will be installed differently. for example, i think that it is better to buy now because it is still money, it is very expensive systems, very expensive ammunition, and of course the missile is 300 km long much more expensive than 70 km ammunition. i think that now we need a mass supply of 70 km ammunition installations and 300 km. er, the same command points of the management system, er,

ammunition depots that provide the black sea fleet of the russian federation, that is, against ships, missiles will destroy the ship depot, but we will need the mlrsm-270 hi-mars just in option of 300 km in order to destroy the system infrastructure of the black sea fleet directly already on land in western politicians are now talking about it, we know that these discussions are going on, they appear in the media that from a military point of view the situation is a stalemate, on the one hand, it is obvious that the russian army cannot control the entire ukrainian territory, it cannot even completely seize the entire territory of the donetsk luhansk regions, as we can see on the other hand, ukraine is at war with a state that has nuclear weapons even without nuclear weapons, there is a huge potential of people who can be mobilized later. the technology is old, but in sufficient

quantity to constantly maintain this brightness, this is the flame of war. and the question arises , is there still a military solution to this conflict? and if it is not there, is there a political solution, that is, are we not in a certain situation now? i think that so far the current has not come, that is, in principle, and i am sure that putin demands from his generals. and you see how he changes his janitors there that he and gerasimo disappeared somewhere? well, the last time he appeared only with a cadre in dyma under strange conditions, that is, these generals are actually removed from management, but putin sets a clear task, he needs at least donbas, that is, i think so that they do not pretend to kherson and the zaporizhia region, the main thing is to provide a land corridor between the crimea and the russian territory, in fact, with the crimea and the donbass

, it would be great because their dreams of a land corridor between crimea and transnistria is already obvious cannot be implemented, but if they do not achieve a situation of some kind of result in the donbass , then it will be a real disaster for putin himself for this operation. i do not know how much now there is tension in the elites around putin and among the oligarchy, but it is obvious that they they didn't expect that this operation would be so long, and i 'm sure that they are. of course, putin is counting on autumn, autumn, winter, when he will present this crisis, this energy crisis, then the food crisis will put pressure on our western friends who are really here now are in a very difficult situation because the local oligarchy, i mean the german and french, i am sure they are putting pressure on macron, not in vain, they are taking various measures,

including contacting putin, in order to somehow try to prevent the collapse of the global system economic, because everything leads to this and it is really a problem for our western partners , that is, the situation is not a stalemate. i think that the ukrainian army, which is receiving more and more western weapons, has every chance to release new ones territories, i mean ukrainian territories, where to occupy them and create a situation in order to repel the russian troops further, what they will do under putin's pressure, i can't even imagine, because in fact, if they could use their mobilization potential if they could use their modern weapons, they would have already used them, but in addition to the t-62 tanks, they get them from some bakh storage bases where they stood for 30-40 years, something imperceptible about those and the newest weapons, nuclear weapons are really the last argument, but i have

the impression is that now the probability of using even tactical nuclear weapons is decreasing, because putin and his entourage understand that in reality this will not lead to anything, even western leaders will not go to negotiations after the use of nuclear ukraine. it will simply be a disaster for putin in the end vitaliy by the way, i wanted to hear your opinion, but now we see that in the evening briefing of the general staff, mr. mykhailo, please stay in touch with us . establishment of full control over severodonetsk . actually, the russian invaders are trying to damage the logistics of the ukrainian military, they are shelling civilian points. well, they are trying to completely capture severodonetsk, where fierce battles have been going on for several days, already in the very place of fighting for specific regions, not just outside the city. well, we see that the

russians are also trying to go to lysychansk, so far without success, but as they say, american experts from the institute for the study of war emphasize that they can establish control over luhansk region in the following weeks, in one of your reviews, you talked about the fact that the er tactics of the peasants and russia actually consists in the fact that if they fail to carry out a large blitzkrieg , then bite off pieces and join er in the regions ukraine to the russian federation, if we assume that the occupiers resort to this strategy and try to quickly annex the luhansk region, it means that using e -chemarsis with a range of at least 70, even 300 km, the attackers and liberating our territories are already in the counteroffensive. we will actually fight with from the point of view of russia from its

territory, what does this change, how about crimea, this is a big question, what does it change, but in any case, russia will definitely want to put us and the world in front of such a fact. i already see such proposals expressed by various political and military experts in the west that putin should be given the opportunity to hold referendums in the donetsk and luhansk regions, only fair referendums and he should be satisfied with the donetsk and luhansk regions and then the war will be over well, that's why i'm surprised so in 2014, many people believed that they would be satisfied with the wing, and we see that this idea is working for the russians. and this is really what mykhailo was saying, that they have a political task and it is not so much necessary for severodonetsk as for them to go to the administrative the borders of at least one more ukrainian region, by the way, this shows that if at the age of 14 it was not possible to reach the administrative borders of crimea, vadim did not hold a referendum there,

why were they in such a hurry, why did they postpone the dates of this referendum several times in a row that they were afraid that there would be some answer and not if ukraine could control at least a part of the autonomous republic of crimea, at least a part, then this is already wrong. the referendum is already the problem. this is already minsk, so to speak, and talks about autonomy and so on and so on. and that's why they were in a hurry here absolutely the same situation, they are in a hurry. i don't know if they will immediately hold a referendum, but they will at least be able to say that the entire territory of the luhansk people's republic, as they call it, is liberated by the dpr, mr. mykhailo what do you think about these perspectives, how can the actual situation develop, a problem can exist, it is, here, the approach should be an assessment of the situation, precisely from how it reacts, in any case, any referendums and any accessions, they are worthless with from the point of view of international law, the same is true of crimea, although russia can formally declare

when we strike the territory of crimea on the same military infrastructure that this is striking russian territory, they then have the right to use nuclear weapons like this it is also possible to imagine, but i think we have no other way out. we have to move forward because as soon as we agree to any negotiations to save putin's face, that um sometimes , now macron announced that let's find some kind of scheme that will save putin's face. although i can't understand under the given conditions after ukrainian cities were attacked on february 24, then he turned out that war crimes were committed throughout the territory of ukraine. this is really a genocide of the ukrainian people, especially entering with odessification, that is, the idea of ​​destroying the ukrainian nation, the ukrainian state, has been officially announced, and

here we are told let's save putin 's face. is approaching and very quickly, since putin will also try to do it if ukraine is not somehow persuaded to go to peace talks, and in principle, the approach itself is also the oil embargo, also the gas embargo color it requires european countries to switch to alternative sources to alternative sources of the same gas, it will be imagine if some german oligarchs built over the last 50 years the system of operation of their economy, their business, and they profited from it at the expense of cheap russian gas. now they are being transferred to gas of a slightly different price category , completely different volumes, and moreover,

other people will be engaged in this, not these businessmen, but other businessmen, that is, in some powerful financial and industrial groups in the same germany france and other countries are ending their golden age, i can imagine that i would also put pressure on macron if this happened to me and demand an end to this war because some incomprehensible ukrainians are breaking everything that was created by our western partners over the past 30-40 years now we will actually talk about it in more detail with the next guest, mykhailo from the deputy director of the army conversion and disarmament center for international issues was on skype with us, and right now the next guest is also with us in touch danylo lubkivskiy, diplomat, public figure as deputy minister of foreign affairs and director of the kyiv security forum, in touch with us via skype, congratulations, mr. danil, can you hear us? good evening, i can hear you very well and i am glad to see you both, congratulations, so let's start from this oil

bank they talked about him for several weeks in a row , in the end they made concessions to hungary, they left it possible to supply oil via the e-e oil pipeline, friendship at least he will remain working even after russian supplies are refused finally, poland and germany are the northern direction. and as the southern direction, where is hungary , the czech republic, slovakia, all this is clear, but the rest is not clear, here we say that russia is simply collapsing from this embargo. but russia received and lost 20 or 25 billion dollars of income from these three hundred billion 320 billion dollars, what are they for the sale of oil, why are these 20 dollars so critically important for us and for europeans? and what to do with the amount of 300 billion, a good question is obvious to our specialists who are directly involved energy issues will be able to give you a more detailed and substantive answer to and explain this

problem. and in the meantime, i will talk about a slightly different dimension , in general, the decision on the oil barge and the application of the sixth package of sanctions of the european union against russia, then several important flights of political international contexts, first of all, i very much agree with the opinion of andrii kobolev, who says that the latest mbarno on crude oil, which was applied by the european union in relation to russia, is not only that russia actually loses 2/3 of its crude oil exports to the european union, but the meaning of the decision itself is much deeper, firstly, it is characterized by two points: the inevitability of this decision and

the irreversibility of this decision. thus, the russian federation loses the richest market where it supplied its name, this is the first point, the second moment logistically, russia will obviously face a very significant problem of transporting crude oil to other markets which are much poorer and which will obviously require significant discounts in order to in order to purchase these energy resources, in addition to this , the following question arises, which is consistent with this problem. this is the so-called insurance on sea cargo, which can and sanctions for this can be applied by the european union, european countries can apply because a number of other questions arise besides political and environmental and so on. and for example, denmark can block such transportation from the northern counter-ports of the russian federation. there is definitely one more factor in my opinion as a

diplomat . specific, to put it mildly, position in hungary, we see that despite all the attempts of russia to break the unity of the european union in this matter, they failed at this stage, the european union maintains its solidarity, knows how to find opportunities to resolve even very painful internal discussions problems and adheres to the main central line in relations with ukraine and in support of ukraine, the essence of which is solidarity in the fight against the russian aggressor well, of course, shocking these attempts of hungary from various sides to block the sixth package became the result of the direct exclusion of personal sanctions against patriarch kirill, which actually failed

to apply these sanctions because of the position of the hungarians, but there are a number of personal sanctions that will still work that were introduced which are also important for us, the council introduced sanctions against another 65 people and 18 companies as part of the expansion of sanctions against russia for the unleashed war, and these are sanctions against e servicemen who led units under during the hostilities in the north of kyiv region in mariupol and committed a number of atrocities there, in particular, colonel atsbek omurbekov, who led the russian troops in buch, colonel-general mizintsev, involved in the siege of mariupol, and others and others. well, and more, for example, new politicians, propagandists, businessmen , family members of a-a persons which have previously been sanctioned by the family of putin's press secretary dmitry piskov tetiana teaches two of his children pskov has already

said that this is some kind of consolidation of rights and evidence that there are no fair courts in europe, so well how tangible these personal sanctions will be, how unprecedented and painful they are for those under sanctions who think about it. in russia itself, in your opinion, not danyla's, for me , the hysteria of dmitry medvedev, who devoted personal sanctions to newly applied targets , became a very characteristic characteristic for me rambling comments, this means that personal sanctions are working in general, the entire sanctions mechanism may not be acting on a full scale, but nevertheless, this line of work is being maintained and it is causing significant damage to russia damage despite all their artificial pathos that they use that they don't need anything today. that's why these are

examples of the fact that the european union does not intend to back down in countering russian aggression, it's a clear thing that we would like much more. of course, those who know the history of international relations, the history of the confrontation with russia or the soviet union will well remember the closest analogy that concerns, which is very often mentioned as a parallel to russia's treacherous war against ukraine namely the soviet-finnish war is a characteristic sign that europe at that time or the west, to be more precise , being in solidarity with finland, on the other hand , did not have the opportunity and did not help the finns in any way. today we see a radically different story that

concerns ukraine and this is important a sign of the election is a lot of our fair criticism and fair objections to our allies, however, i always repeat at each period that the west is our partners without the help and support of the west, the task of protecting our statehood would be much more difficult and that is why it is very important that this trend of support for ukraine is maintained and solidarity is maintained, and in this trend, we need to understand several important things . important events are the summit of the european union, the meeting of the european council at the highest level, which will take place at the end of june, where the issue of our application for

membership in the european union will be considered in the same month, we we are waiting for nato ourselves. where should we also expect important decisions to support ukraine and uh, on july 4-5 - this is at a conference of support for ukraine. thus, we uh are waiting for several important political events and we need to mobilize all the geometric forces of public forces expert forces in order for all events to end for ukraine with the desired positive results for us , the west, and rather to our western allies, we need to say very frankly what we think is wrong, let's say today's e-e statement president macron's statement that it is not necessary to humiliate russia - these words are completely unacceptable and reflect, in my opinion, this form of colonial thinking of the great powers

. not really, macron said that there is no need to humiliate russia so that it can be brought out of isolation after the end of the war in ukraine, but how to really perceive these statements, how do they correlate with the blow of the collective of the west, which is imposed in the form of the sixth package of sanctions, and then there should be a seventh package, as we understand it, ukraine is supplied with powerful defensive weapons from allies, and on the other hand, well, here is the rhetoric of the most powerful countries of the west in relation to the president of the aggressor country, we hear such words of macron are unacceptable and you need to talk about it directly and frankly and don't be ashamed of these conversations, er, these words reflect a false way of thinking, thinking that fits more in the 20th or 19th century, er, and er, you know. well, there's not much to talk about, er -is

if macron could advise washington and london not to humiliate hitler after the occupation of france in 1940, can these words be applied to any other treacherous aggressions or atrocities of war criminals ? to agree then with the opinion that moscow has the right to dictate its will to ukraine , poland, the baltic states, all its neighbors or european countries, or they say it is humiliating , they consider themselves a leading state, it is possible and it is necessary to go for it. i think that macron's phrase is deeply false because we are dealing with an aggressor and a tyranny with an absolutely obedient and painless people eh and eh this people and this and russia absolutely

do not have any kind of subtle mental organization that eh-eh that must be protected from humiliation e russia is a war criminal regime in russia they are war criminals , accordingly, there is no need to talk about humiliation here, however, when we talk about we help the west to understand more clearly and clearly what security interests, what uh, should unite us all, all free peoples in order to form a just world order, we work with allies and we work quite frankly because we defend the common cause uh and the fact that despite the rhetoric despite the various political turns that we see very often arise in the western capitals of various western capitals nevertheless the main line remains unchanged for now this is solidarity in support of ukraine and, moreover, solidarity with the united states - this is a very important historical moment,

unprecedented in our history, we must do this and continue what is ours to protect ukraine because by protecting ukraine we are protecting the whole world thank you, mr. danila danylo lubkivskyi, diplomat, public figure as deputy minister of foreign affairs and director of the kyiv security forum was in touch with us well, i can say only one thing in italy that, fortunately, apart from pressure the world leaders of big business, about whom mykhailo saami spoke on our broadcast, there is still pressure from society. actually, now in several cities of the european union, actions have taken place in support of granting ukraine the status of a candidate for membership