that led to the war, putin will go under the leadership of the russian orthodox church, nothing in us is forever , yes, people are not eternal, but their ideas may remain, and these ideas will be dangerous. it seems to me that we need to think strategically in order to neutralize these ideas, these ideas for the future so that this war will never happen again in ukraine father kyrylo thank you for this conversation thank you june 5 day of belgorod dniester ukraine is majestic unconquered cities of ukraine zaporizhzhia the city of strict metallurgists glorious engine builders and of a powerful hydroelectric power plant on the dnieper. and this is also the cradle of the cossack family of ukraine, which never knelt before anyone. polish cossacks for centuries protected

ukrainian lands from invaders during the war of liberation. the zaporozhian army fought for independence for the entire country in world war ii. and the german occupation, and now zaporizhzhia is full of the cossack spirit, as always, unyieldingly standing in defense of ukraine. zaporizhia is unconquered . be that we guarded the library for a century, who wanted to destroy our history, how did he not feel in the 35th year? yes, lviv was already experiencing it

. we admire your struggle, we are grateful to you for your indomitability and independence, yes, i mostly transport new heroes, continue your valiant work, honor and glory to those who courageously and fearlessly stop the enemy, to those who give their lives for their native land who tells us lives in us the invincible spirit of ukrainian heroes of all generations we are fighters

fighting for freedom glory to all blood ukrainian heroes honor and glory indomitable we will convince we will outplay we will win that you are not news together we are strong glory to ukraine our marathon continues only news in the studio andriy dikhtyarenko is working this is public we continue the topics that we discuss during this day, the international community must make maximum efforts to prevent russia from committing genocide in ukraine, director azim ibrahim said about this in an interview with the public of the american analytical center new lines institute fast 3g and police in march he and his colleagues visited ukraine after preparing a report according to which russia's actions in ukraine have all the signs of genocide, but instead of talking about

it later as a fait accompli, it is better to force russia now our colleague olena rymovska spoke with him about what ukraine and the international community can already do to prevent genocide, and whether they can end up on the bench defendants, russian propagandists who incite this crime professor ibrahim thank you very much for your time, we are glad to welcome you on the public airwaves when the whole world learned about the atrocities in buch, when the leadership of ukraine began to call russia's actions in ukraine genocide, there were disputes about whether this word can really be used in this case according to your report, is it possible to call what is happening in ukraine genocide ukraine, first of all, thank you for the invitation, the word genocide is often

used as a synonym for mass murders, people say genocide is happening here or genocide is happening there actually they mean that there are many unjustified killings or in most cases a lot of mass killings eh actually the word genocide has a very clear definition enshrined in the convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide of 19501 definition genocide is connected with the intention to wipe a certain group of people from the face of the earth, the report that we at the newlyz institute prepared together with the raoul wallenberg center is the first of its kind. to verify whether russia's actions in ukraine are a violation of the 1951 genocide convention i personally visited ukraine earlier this year and conducted an investigation myself upon my return i hired three groups of experts intelligence experts based on open sources experts in conditioning and linguistics

to translate intercepted conversations of russians and by a group of lawyers, the third group is a group of lawyers who can interpret the collected data, we reviewed the collected data, all the collected information related to the genocide convention and came to a clear demonstration that the russian federation bears state responsibility for incitement to commit genocide, the pattern of atrocities committed by the russians clearly indicates their intention to destroy the ukrainian people as a national group, and this is a violation of the third article of the convention on genocide in essence we have come to the conclusion that there is an extremely serious challenge of full-scale genocide in ukraine and now all the signatories of the convention on genocide, and these are 151 states, must immediately intervene and put an end to this. is happening in ukraine, there are different ways

of interpreting genocide, it can happen we can not know for one hundred percent what is happening because many territories are still under russian occupation, based on the collected evidence, we believe that there is a possibility that this is indeed genocide, however, it is much more important that there is a serious threat of committing genocide, the purpose of the convention on genocide is to prevent and punish the crime of genocide, the aspect of punishment becomes relevant much later, unfortunately, in recent history we have seen more than once that usually after the genocide in rwanda, bosnia, serbrenica, the genocide of the uyghurs, the cherkhinja, in academic circles , a discussion begins whether it was genocide or not . scientists and jurists will discuss all this for many years and eventually draw a conclusion and then decide that people who committed genocide should be punished, however, this is not the main function of the convention on

genocide, its main function is to prevent such crimes, first to prevent and then to punish, the evidence collected as part of our report indicates that russia's war in ukraine has a genocidal character is incitement to genocide, as well as the possibility that genocide is taking place, but much more important is that there is a serious threat of committing genocide. the convention on genocide should be observed, so it is the responsibility of one of the 150 states that signed the convention on genocide to take immediate measures to stop what is happening in ukraine. you mean by immediate measures, what can be done now, while it is still going on, to prevent genocide in ukraine, taking into account the fact that russia occupied the territories, and the war is still active

faifazi, yes, your truth is that the reality is that according to the genocide convention, countries must do everything in their power to stop what is happening and prevent escalation, this means that countries that support any relations with russia must suspend them in order to exert maximum pressure on the russian federation, for example if a country buys oil and gas from russia it should stop immediately because business as usual cannot continue when there is a serious threat of genocide all trade should be stopped we should suspend diplomatic agreements put maximum pressure on russia until it changes its behavior as you know just last month russia earned $ 40 billion from supplying oil and gas to europe all of this needs to be stopped immediately business as usual cannot continue this also means

we can no longer maintain normal relations as in the past with the architects of the genocide, in this case putin and his closest entourage, if, for example, there is a post-war settlement with putin, we will not be able to return to those normal diplomatic relations, as we had in the past, because his regime and his government are responsible for violating the genocide convention. in your report, you emphasize the role of russian propaganda in inciting genocide in ukraine . can people involved in russian state propaganda end up on the dock e- i think it's possible that they could be prosecuted in the international criminal court or elsewhere, but one of the things we have to understand is that in our report the convention on genocide is being considered by signatories, there are states, we are not considering individual people, we are not considering putin, we are not considering

the minister of defense, nor sergey lavrov, no autumn , we are considering the russian federation, the convention is being considered in the context of the member states, the states are the signatories of the convention , even though the russian federation violates the convention on genocide who exactly is responsible urf the whole state essentially violates the convention and you are absolutely right about the propaganda russian propaganda incites to commit genocide and this is exactly what i mentioned earlier about the intention to destroy ukrainian identity, this is not a war of conquest for resources for oil or gas, this is a war to destroy ukraine and ukrainian identity, putin himself stated this in his essay in july 2021, he wrote that ukraine is an artificial formation, one uh, a high-ranking official of the duma, the head of one of the committees stated that ukraine does not exist, that closeness, that it is madness that the ukrainian

nation does not exist, considering the actions of the russians in ukraine, we can also conclude that they are inciting committing genocide and participating in genocidal behavior, for example, the report that the russians took out 180,000 ukrainian children , repatriated them, forcibly brought them to russia and scattered them throughout the country so that they could not unite into a single ethno-national group. in this way, they are destroying the ukrainian identity . also reports that ukrainian women were repeatedly raped in the basements of their houses, they were told that they would be raped until they no longer wanted to give birth to ukrainian children. so this whole war is based on the genocidal intention to destroy ukraine and the ukrainian identity, russian propaganda - this is confirmed, and the actions of russian soldiers and military personnel in ukraine confirm this even more defects ot kut b so, something is happening in ukraine

that may later be recognized as genocide, and you say that now it is not about genocide as such, but it is very likely, where is the red line crossing which we can talk about the commission of genocide ? will repeatedly use this argument, i believe that this is not too humorous an argument and this is not the first case of genocide that we considered, we considered the genocide of the uyghurs, the genocide of the rohingya, and it was the same everywhere. i think that we are doing a disservice to the ukrainian people by starting to argue about whether a genocide is happening or not forward well, whether there is a red line or not, the reality is that the russian war is genocidal in nature, so it does not matter that it meets the strict criteria of the court. the fact is that russia

is conducting a genocidal campaign in ukraine, an international the community, all the signatories of the convention on genocide must do everything possible to stop it, which means that russia must be brought to justice, this includes reparations and compensation to the ukrainian people after the end of the war, the russian federation can be rid of putin. it does not matter that the state is responsible, not putin, for everything the russian federation must be held accountable. it will have to compensate for the damage caused to ukraine. it is obvious that there are people in putin's government who will be brought to justice, but this is a little different. this is already an individual criminal case. this responsibility does not fall under the genocide convention, and the genocide convention considers only the responsibility of the state. in my opinion, this is much more important than arguing that all the boxes were ticked against the criteria of genocide. the reality is that the genocide convention was violated. no one can argue with this. 35

leading legal experts from around the world are working on the evidence, among them are former prosecutors of the international criminal court, chief prosecutors of the un international court of justice, former general prosecutors of various states, former ministers of justice, among them are two ambassadors to the un, among them nine chiefs, he was the first us ambassador for war crimes and created an international tribunal for the former yugoslavia. so , our team consists of leading experts who are engaged in the processing of evidence, and they all unanimously believe that the convention genocide was raised, the international community must intervene and do everything possible to stop the russian federation correctly. i understand you that the fact that this war is genocidal in nature will become additional aspect of the punishment that awaits russia in the future from the russian federation and not to individuals,

as regards individuals, investigative actions against them are carried out in the international criminal court, in which specific individuals, in particular putin, can be brought to justice, the genocide convention - this is an agreement between the states, its signatories are states the russian federation is resorting to genocidal actions because ukraine is different, so this is happening between two states, hearings about this are taking place at the un international court of justice ukraine has file a lawsuit in this court to demand reparations from russia, so if this war i hope ends soon, you should ask russia for compensation for the damage caused and compensation for the reconstruction of ukraine. at the same time, ukraine should also consider the option of lawsuits against specific individuals. and this is a completely different procedure, we are talking about a lawsuit in the international criminal court tribunal or any other court, but these measures that we propose in our report are actually much simpler and easier to

implement. we have already talked a little about what can be to do to prevent genocide, you mentioned sanctions, what else can be done. here, for example, what should ukraine do besides going to court, maybe there are certain necessary steps that cannot be missed at this stage of the war. in my opinion, the most important thing that ukraine can do is to collect as much evidence as possible and involve professional prosecutors and experts to collect and preserve this evidence, because in many similar situations it happens that everyone understands what is happening, but the evidence has not been preserved , evidence that will be presented in the future judges must be of high quality, i know this because i did something similar in the case of the rohingya and the uyghurs, the evidence must be of high quality they must be kept, it is almost like a police investigation, the evidence must be collected they must be sealed , documented and preserved, this cannot be

taken lightly, so i believe that ukraine should collect as much evidence as possible in a systematic and organized way, this should be done by specialists who know how to do it, so that when the war ends, or even about how the war ends, they can file a case against of the russian federation and specific persons, in my opinion, this is the most important thing that ukraine can do right now, it is obvious that ukraine is currently unable to restrain russia, a fierce war, the priority is to save lives and victory in this conflict, while preserving evidence should also be a priority task, it is not too late and as long as the evidence exists, what about the fact that russia does not care, russia openly disregards the authority of any institutions that could accuse it of crimes or, in principle, could consider cases of such

type and conce, as soon as ukraine will open a case against russia in the un international court of justice for violation of the convention on genocide, russia will be brought to justice, it will have to pay reparations, russia will have to answer to the court of another move, there is no situation with the international criminal court, otherwise it is possible to impose sanctions on putin, declare him war criminal, issue a warrant at last. if putin remains in power, then nothing can be done about it. it is another matter if the agreement was signed between the states, if russia is brought to responsibility for the commission of genocide, the un will implement this decision, the russian federation will not be able to avoid punishment, now it may seem that russia does not care, there may be people in the russian government who are not fully aware of what is happening, but the fact is that in the long term, we must also understand that putin can stay

in power for a short time. and the next government may be much more inclined to settle relations with the international community and pay compensations, a good example is what happened in serbia they didn't care about milosevic karadzic, they behaved as they pleased, ignoring all international decisions , until the next government came to power, the next government wanted to join the eu, but they were not allowed to do so until the war criminals were extradited, and suddenly milosevic karadzic was in the international criminal court, we just we do not know what will happen, there is a real possibility that putin and his closest entourage will be removed from office. and the next government will want to restore relations, restore the economy, get rid of sanctions to restore relations with the eu and the international community so that they will cooperate much more easily with the criminal proceedings it may seem impossible at the moment but the point is that what needs to be done now is to lay the foundation for

future proceedings we are recording this conversation on the day that the irish senate passed a resolution which recognized the actions russia in ukraine is an act of genocide. ireland is not the first country to pass such a resolution. do these statements make sense in the case? agree on behalf of the state, the parliament and the senate can do similar things. statements, but if the government itself does not make a statement, it will not be applied in every way, all these statements will certainly help to put pressure on the government, but the point is that such decisions must be made by the relevant representatives of the government, for example, in the government, such decisions are made by the state department in great britain, the ministry of foreign affairs, the parliament can vote and this is very good in this

sense, pressure on the government, but the government should make such a decision independently, we translated our report into nine languages ​​and sent it to the parliaments and governments of to the whole world to provide an evidence base so that they can come and conduct their own investigation and make their own decision, this is only the first step of what we are trying to do, this is the first such report in the world. an intellectual foundation and evidence base for other countries' parliaments and governments so that they can continue our work, take it as a basis and come to their own conclusion we sent a letter to the european commission signed by 50 members of the european parliament, i addressed the president of the european council and the president of the european commission, also referring to our report and stating that it presents all the evidence, we expect urgent and immediate action from the european

commission to implement the provisions of the convention on genocide, we call on all member states to do so there are several eu states that, unfortunately, are still trying to cooperate with russia to negotiate with putin , and much of this, in my personal opinion, is stupidity, this is a distraction from the point. i believe that now the international community should hold russia accountable actively pursue it in the international legal arena act persistently diplomatically and economically suspend all trade with russia one former representative of the russian federation said that if germany stopped buying oil and gas from russia the war would end in a week just last month russia received 40 billion dollars from the eu, this should stop. i believe that this is much more effective than trying to negotiate, you should agree with the fact that discussions and agreements should be exclusively the competence of the ukrainian government and people, they

should decide whether they want to cooperate. and it should not be the competence of other countries to conduct negotiations with russia. i believe that these countries use all this as an excuse to continue their behavior. we should not stand aside we can suspend relations we must have an open dialogue an open channel and for these few countries it is just an excuse to continue their behavior simply because they do not want to accept difficult the solution is yes. thank you professor ibrahim very much for your time and this conversation. thank you very much. ukraine to fight against russia's war of aggression against ukraine, what he supplies, let's talk about it with harvan walsh. he is a military expert

from britain, ex-adviser on national and international security of the british conservative party of great britain so, a good question for you is this: do you think that the supply of heavy weapons has already changed the course of the war in ukraine or is it still ahead in ukraine? i think that it has already changed and it is . more so because the russians have a lot of artillery and they are more effective than at the beginning of the war, this is now the main artillery war, in general, it can really be said that now this phase of the war is artillery and this is accompanied by significant losses among the civilian population on

it's a pity, and ukraine must respond in the same way as the russians, it's no longer a secret, and examples of such places as rubizhny sirodets show that russia's offensive in donbas is accompanied by a massive artillery attack. the russians and for this they need more equipment, they need artillery and the french system is only coming from the netherlands and from the united states, but more long-range artillery will also come and later there will also be reinforcements of the air force and uh, that's exactly what is needed at this

stage of the war as an analyst. how do you assess the speed with which uh, heavy weapons are delivered to ukraine, did you expect a month ago that it would be so slow? still, you can't say that it is slow. i believe that this is a fairly realistic time for self- supply, because everything will have to be organized, the transportation of training must take place, it cannot happen at the same time . the united states itself does not have that much surplus weaponry and it is quite difficult to produce it quickly,

so it will all be produced in the coming months and years, we see now that russian missiles are trying to precisely hit the logistics hubs, the logistics routes by which these weapons are supplied, it affects a-and delays it and the turning point of which we are all waiting for the right ones to strike from the caspian sea, and defense as part of the russians , this task and a strategic question is whether the west wants to provide ukraine with such weapons that will allow it to strike at those places from where

these strikes are being carried out, and washington would consider it a serious escalation, but it is worth starting to think about it, because such weapons are far away every day, the distance is still important that ukraine can defend itself according to international law, but just today the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin actually began to threaten western countries, as if if they were to transfer such weapons, not only kyiv would be under attack, but probably. well, he did not say which cities or objects, but hinted that they could probably not only ukrainian objects, as in britain, treat such threats of the administration

to make a direct attack on western cities, because this would already be a violation of the fifth article of the nato charter, and what do you think, and what will happen if putin really crosses this border and will carry out such an attack on any object on the territory of the european union or nato countries, i don't think it will happen, it's a reckless act on his part, it's just a threat and not some realistic thing he's planning