titushev, who participated in the hostage skirmishes that were imposed by the ukrainian rally on may 14th , and it was really possible to wish them, but the point is that he should not have done it, why did he do it purely for other reasons, because there were a lot of violations of procedures, etc. during the investigation and he simply decided that this with such violations that cannot harm people and purely technically here for technical reasons he did not and i am actually very afraid that assumptions during the history of the usa and technical reasons could break up to to the european court, everyone has the right to write a statement in the case. what else is marina a wrecker, that is, he

wins against ukraine, then you have to be very careful about the proportionate responsibility of the shishimaring in the case of murder, ah, honestly, i do n’t take sixties, i’ve never worked this part and i will add the opinions of the actual lawyers, because they were included and talked to, including andriy, during the investigation and the trial, vitaly titych, lawyer, lawyer of the heroes of the heavenly hundred, says that this case did not become exemplary in his opinion, the investigation was incomplete , the examination was rushed, actually, for some reason , another russian military private appeared as a witness for the ukrainian side of the prosecution, well, that is, in the opinion of thousands, there were certain procedural violations, and

that russian soldier should have been on the dock , and accordingly, the prosecution did not consider them as a criminal group or an excess of the executor, according to the opinion of titych, this case is not exemplary, but at the same time, for example, there are opposite opinions from no less respected lawyers, e.g. lawyer tetyana kozachenko, public figure, director the lustration department of the ministry of justice of ukraine in 14-1 hands believes that the punishment was symmetrical to the crime and the process actually went as it should have gone and the actual severity of the punishment the severity of the sentence is justified by the social resonance of this process i want that we may spend a few more minutes on your own feelings from the trial of the berkut people who are accused of involvement in the murders of protesters on the maidan, where many of our viewers may be

surprised that these days when the country is going on the war, this process is still going on. in fact, in may , regular court sessions were held, at which stas kozlyu was present. please share your impressions and whether this case will be brought to the end, at least with regard to those two of the five experts who are now on the dock, this is a lot a painful case, in fact, the verdict was supposed to be in the 20th year, but the ukrainian authorities decided to exchange , give, er, these berkut residents for an exchange, and it got worse. because for the first few months we waited for the transition, everyone would return, then we waited for changes in the legislation that glorified at least somehow to communicate with the court sessions, to continue the trial or

the nuances of sentencing in absentia, but this is a topic for separate words of the basics, then they finally began to listen to this case, then they adopted changes to the legislation e- they started listening there a little bit back, how to say it correctly, that is, they went back a little and started to listen to her further from a certain moment. but a war broke out in this case, some of the prosecutors and lawyers went to the windows and went to fight. and on may 18, the first meeting of the golden eagles took place and they had their say. yes, you are the first events, and now in july , care begins in this case. after the debate, i have to make a verdict. that is, sometime in the fall, it will uh, they will be sentenced, uh, the verdict will be the only thing that we need to prepare for, yes. he will most likely not be what the majority of society wanted, hardly

life imprisonment. that is, i don't know there 15 years ago that the inspectors, as he says was contused and this information is partially confirmed, that is, he most likely did not shoot, that is, he did not have time to do it. and as for the second floor, this is also a question of where he shot, how he shot, uh, there is a practice for which they say that he wants to move towards the protesters ah but there is no information to buy or injured eh so we just have to be prepared for the fact that the sentence will not meet our expectations but why he was like that for us to understand why he will be like that we need to follow this case eh because there is only did not return they knew why they didn't come back because they were invited to the maximum ira punishment because there was evidence not to buy injured people in the case of these two there are no such posts e at least i

as far as i know about the work and the sentence i hope i will be in september and that everything will be fine thank you , stas stas kozlyuk. the reporter, the journalists, was in touch with us. today we include ukrainian journalists on our airwaves, who are a window for us and shed light on important processes and important phenomena. and actually, especially when today, during the russian-ukrainian war, the press is in the crosshairs. under the crosshairs of the russian army, 32 media workers died during the war, according to the national union of journalists of ukraine, and many of them are representatives of the world press. and our ukrainian colleagues . eh on eh inclusion with human rights activist psychologist journalist larisa voloshinoy and then

we will have another interesting inclusion with a representative of the journalistic environment, we will talk with the editor-in-chief of the online publication novyna armiya our colleague, who will also talk about important things, let's talk about the information war in particular , but for now, congratulations to larisa, i see that you are already in touch with us , and i hope you can hear us, and let's start with the fresh news, which actually i thought we could to discuss this with you as a psychologist, especially since i see how people react to the actual subject of the draft law that we will now talk about. well, actually, it's not surprising. we remember that before the war, it was a very annoying factor, the fact that while the country is there was waiting for a possible full-scale invasion, people were packing alarming suitcases, and at that time someone was blowing up fireworks and

celebrating something, well, personally, because i, for example, also wrote about it in my blog , which is extremely annoying factor i and me to be honest, it seemed that this element of psychological warfare, i’m not really joking, because kyiv, where i live, is the center before we actually heard this information from world intelligence that putin could attack ukraine like this, well, so often they didn't celebrate any holidays, but here almost every night and it's just that the whole house woke up and grabbed for its alarming suitcase and it turned out after 5-7 minutes that it was just fireworks there at 3:00 a.m. well, we see that it did not stop with the beginning of the war, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy sent a request to the cabinet of ministers to

consider the issue of banning firecrackers, fireworks and other pyrotechnic products during martial law of pyrotechnic products, as well as close all pyrotechnics shops precisely because of the severe consequences for citizens and the environment from the use of fireworks when each shot creates severe stress, discomfort and threats to life and health. what do you think about this in general ? war or is it the irresponsibility of some citizens? well, what are your feelings here and is there really a need for a ban? well , first of all, answering your questions about psychological warfare, i agree that precisely that the moment when we all expected that an invasion might begin, when all the media , including the world, called it a date, it really happened in the middle of the night, there were a lot of them, not

every night, several times. this is true. i live near the american embassy and was here the same situation, i also drew attention to the fact that on february 20, when it was one zdat. when it was called really all night, from time to time, with some interval, these salutes began . well for example, a person gets annoyed or a person starts to be afraid, we know that there are injured people, and among us they were also arbitrary, they were immigrants from the occupied territories, they were soldiers who, after all , for 8 years, for 8 years, a huge number of ukrainians went through the bombing because all these things, by the way, were people who were on the maidan just during these confrontations, and for whom the

firecracker, for whom there was an explosion of some kind of firework, it still triggers as a threat definitely and even then, i just want to remind you that there were and a public request the authorities appealed to the citizens not to do so remember the children of the lurenians, it had no effect and when you do this, it happens to a traumatized society, it is depressing, it increases the level of aggression, we heard literally uh yesterday bloomberg wrote that putin is counting on yu he believes that time is on his side, that is, they are. he believes that over time, russia will be able to destabilize ukraine and these firecrackers, all these annoying things for society. they are also a certain

factor of destabilization, but there is another point in fact, a petition is good, a ban is good. but how will it be implemented? there should be a certain procedure for what to do with those who still launch fireworks, for example. yes, that is, there must be a toolkit in the police, and accordingly , all of this is needed. in the relevant draft law, lay down all these mechanisms, that is, not just to say that you can't salute like that, or there's a fine of 100 hryvnias. so, that's the story. how do you know these popular phrases that it's not where they litter, but where they clean it, it's not there. where they clean there where they don't litter, it just has two two two ends , both are important to me, it seems to me that on the one hand, some kind of whip is really needed, and on the other hand, well , people can't, they shouldn't be. well, that's how idiotic it is. something must be done about it, and idiots must be punished

either or saboteurs if it is actually, this trail is very important that the people who organize these fireworks are usually people of at least the middle classes or above. well, there won't be many people there, i don't know, and a lot of money is spent on those fireworks, because they are not cheap thing is this means that and we have a problem, the richer a person is, the less he is affected by law and order and even the police, it was like this at least before the war. and i don't see it changing now, as far as i remember , uh, regarding the ban on fireworks, well, at least certain sanctions for their use in residential buildings, it was also before this large-scale invasion, we had similar procedures, but i do not remember anyone who was punished right away, the question is not only that someone released fireworks and there are specific

people who become bad in such a case for example, one person who has spent money has such an opportunity and sets off fireworks, he harms, for example, another person or below the people who hear it in this quarter. a danger of mistrust that can be brought to the parliament because some of the conservatives are also ready to vote for it and that is why there are many problems there. well, the main thing is that during this covid he organized parties there he drank and had fun himself and also lied that he does not do this even the biggest problem is that he lied, it is not forgiven, but well, this and this and this is a thing that shows that in reality for a civilized society if you want to fight with fireworks well, how about me my point of view zoo my point of view

a take a person who is here who is important who is visible and by her example show that everyone is equal before the law well relatively speaking there i don't know some deputy head of the president's office there fired a firecracker over and over again they were fined airs about this, well, for example, he tells the law enforcement officers. i think that we will still ask representatives of the ministry of internal medicine about this in general. this is now a process that is stimulated with the citizens themselves. it seems to me, for example, that there is a significant component of sabotage here. let's talk with you briefly, just a minute if we have what it's like in reality, because we somehow forget about crimea, it's clear that 20% of our territory is now controlled by the occupiers larisa voloshina crimean the crimean woman herself keeps in touch with local needs about the crimean tatar community and today we will talk about it. and what about the ukrainian community in crimea? well, from what we can observe there,

in fact, these cases of such informational partisanship are becoming more frequent because we we see that bigboards are being painted, there are a lot of very yellow and blue markings, the russians are trying to somehow block similar things and detain people who put yellow and blue markings or cross out this ultrasound by the way, those who are colonists, that is, russians, russian citizens, who came to crimea after its occupation, they flaunt their belonging to the army of the occupier, here are these zero marks. there are a lot of them among these people. what annoys ukrainian citizens, er, as observers say, it is also very interesting that in

russia itself there are not as many of these tasks as in crimea, and this also says a lot about the fact that the russians who came to crimea realize that they will have to give it up. from what i hear from what i read on the forums, local residents now feel such a certain oppression and fear and sometimes even hatred for the occupiers. every rotorcraft flies there a lot , such in endowings, all this causes such a feeling of depression, and it happens at night and this feeling that they are flying to bomb ukraine, it is very painful for the locals, because as they explain to me, as i read on the forums, there is no possibility, this is a shame for the fact that there is no possibility to join the struggle, that is, crimea and it is obvious that crimea is waiting for its release as ukrainian citizens are waiting for him

, the colonists are also waiting and afraid of him. what kind of people has russia brought in during these eight years, well, liberation will surely mean liberation from these people, as well as this peninsula. thank you to ms. larisa voloshina for joining us . dmytro dmytro lykhova, editor-in-chief of the online publication of the journalist, we are in touch, congratulations mr. dmytro good health, i would like to talk to you a little on this day, the day of media workers, the day of the ukrainian journalist about the information war, about your perception of this information dimension of russia's war against the ukrainians, and here we can take as an example putin's latest threats that he will strike where he has not struck before precisely because of the supply of weapons to ukraine by the allies, what do you think about these statements for

whom they are intended and whether ukrainians should be afraid , well, i am sure that ukrainians have long had nothing to fear, because the most terrible thing has already happened, this full-scale invasion of russia, then we simply show how we can counteract this or on the contrary, he wants to be afraid and resorts to various ways to demoralize us in relation to putting up weapons, then this is a pig, as far as i am concerned, first of all putin to the ukrainian government, and the population is enough, and this government should buy the conclusions from these threats and that is, evaluate mechanisms of counter-intelligence , e-e, investigations, taking into account e-e, let’s say in those

who testify or show the movement of this equipment, on which the blows are eventually delivered, and so on, dmitry, the question is still for you as a person who at the same time understands what this means to be a soldier, what does it mean to be at war and to a person and to hold a weapon in your hands and to a person who is a journalist with a huge in the ground precisely journalistic beautiful field precisely journalistic because we do not always have journalists, i am journalists who are called that, that is also true, i'm sorry that i did not follow up on the holiday and i, in fact, here my question will be about that about that. here is your opinion about where is the balance between freedom of speech and the need to inform society during the war so that it can also take participation in some well, because any decision

still has legitimacy in one way or another, as when it is in the hands of the president, but legitimacy is in command, this means the degree of support from society, and this support can be at the expense of lies and manipulations and propaganda that does, for example , there is putin's, this whole thing, what are they called nightingales, and on the other hand, it may be based on some true understanding of the situation if we trust ourselves in our society, where is this balance, how to find it, how do you find it for yourself are you looking for this really such a very delicate topic right away on journalist's day there is a reason to talk about it, honestly, it is very difficult to find this balance because we, er , i, unlike many other consumers of information, in particular our readers, er, have always claimed that er propaganda - this is not something

negative. propaganda should also be at the service of the ukrainian state. it should drink the enemy. it should be resorted to if it is correct to appear to it, but at the same time it gives conviction. is easily calculated and not only by the enemy of a and b by your own people and here is the task of a journalist in such situations, that is, to cross this border and to understand and take such a role in this war, on the one hand, it was clearly difficult with one's army and the state, and with on the other hand, in the first place, there should be one's people, and not certain

political forces, which in this war may already be there, there are some stresses of narrow political heights, corporate disk, journalists know a little more than the average reader of 15 radio svoboda or those who are in a hurry to release information to the public. does our test file issue it now from the company well, of course, it's all great to write everything you know, but it seems to me that in ukraine there is a difference and there are readers to the viewer what questions to choose in order to distinguish between propaganda and some more or less objective information that is, there are a lot of such examples, well, we are all fighting against russia, on which side, uh, at the same time, we see certain tripod manifestations, we have

some shortcomings on some problem, which should also be talked about on our side. if these problems are not closed, if they are not treated, then they will only it will be easier to go deeper enough to follow russia, and it will be easier to win when the horse has fallen or the government is silent, on the contrary, it creates even more of these problems , it is constantly more vulnerable. well, journalism, that is, sensei, too, in a certain way, such esculabts who can be very worried, for example, sometimes the rhetoric happened between butusov and the representatives of the authorities. let's say this, when he was accused more than once that he said something and because of it the military died, but it seems to me that when journalists are silent, the military also die and maybe in a larger number. well, yuriy butusov

alone has opened up for me personally in a completely new way. during this war, he works on the front lines, he directly communicates with the ukrainian military, he this uh, this warning, this information, this god, he does not invent his own he films it on video, he writes it firsthand and so that they don’t say that now each of us is a journalist or each of us is a blogger there that the war is going on with gopro cameras, but only professional certified journalists can verify the information can check for example data that are broadcast by the head of the regional or local administration, how true are they, because such officials can also have their own interests and, well, sometimes it can happen. so everything is fine, fine, and then the fop, we lost the settlement and no one before that, i uh- i was somehow not ready because it

seemed that we are only advancing, we can only win. it can only destroy the enemy and not the other way around. well, of course, when some vlad nikola or other powerful deputies resort to harassing such journalists, as in the example they are fooling around, this is happening. it certainly does not beautify the authorities. find examples for individuals, they can only add that well, an extremely important conversation took place, an important question is an important answer, that is, the conclusion is that to be professional, so do not forget to check the information, what we actually do, and once a member of the european parliament, the german politician viola von kram and ubadel said about bohdan, the ex-head of the president's office, that he is a person without an internal moral complex, that's not a cool expression. i remembered not to lose the moral compass, and then actually you can maintain this balance so as not to

turn into a russian. if we talk about the balance between propaganda and honesty, the last interview i see is that on the beginning of the war, for example, andrii bohdan, which the ukrainian truth took from him precisely in relation to the beginning of the war, when he was no longer there for me. so andrii bohdan revealed himself in this interview as a completely different person whom i did not know, even though even on a parallel course he studied with look, i didn't know him actually from this point of view, that is, it turned out to be a person, uh, maybe cynical somewhere, but true in many ways, sincere and most importantly, quite patriotically, which is very important at this time to convince the violophone of the letter of the government, what about mr. dmitri, as a media person, how do you perceive the topic of tour passports for good russians, what do you think about the ex-propagandists who decided to suddenly stop praising putin and start actually standing on the side of ukraine,

saying glory to the heroes of the armed forces now? that today it is necessary to congratulate the ukrainian journalist, who is not exemplary with him, who is already there well, probably soon it will be possible to congratulate ovsyannikov yes well , what do you think about the opportunities that are created today for these former propagandists of putin ukraine and what will be the effect i will say one important phrase to the previous question that now it is very difficult to verify information sometimes almost impossible but the function of objective professional journalists is all the more important because it is really very difficult and sometimes it turns into the opposite aside from the propagandists, i might say a bit popular in our environment, er, at least in our audience, but i would, er, divide the russians

into good, not good, good russians don’t happen like that, but i would divide them into useful and not useful because russia will collapse and lose not only due to external factors, not only from the pressure of ukraine. it must collapse and cease to exist, in particular, due to its internal processes, and therefore the ukrainian authorities must use useful russians against russia itself. who can resist this and give citizenship, this is the last thing that citizenship is our job, it must be earned for the first time, only in certain cases of the constitution of a person, there is no allowance, for example, in european countries, how is it because even the comprehension of sight today, they write themselves normally according to the european union and there , no one has published it yet, although it is to the point that they will be

scattered here like everyone else, it seems to me that this whole story with her should be known on what day she was made known to the graduates in the jokes that tsimbala posted ukrainian society and, in particular, i am going to our team, this is for the elements of the fsb application, it has been going on since the very beginning of the practical blockade in the studio, it is necessary to remember people like zorov and without the right to use him against russia. to think of such a mountain to use against russia although he was the minister of novorossiya, but now he is open to criticism that can be used on our side but again, you have to feel this limit, then you are right , what is behind operational casualties before all that what did russia do? we have to understand what