look, for these three months, we have also heard from the side of belarusian oppositionists and ex -military men and calls not to take part in the war against ukraine and even heard some telephone conversations that were described by the security service of ukraine and the main intelligence agency as the military in belarus refuses, that is, even the top management, we saw how the chief of the general staff changed in belarus. we saw how the officers talked about it among themselves. we saw how the politicians called. we saw how the retired military left by the directions, it seems like it is being made up. it seems that the military from belarus does not want to take part in the war with ukraine in the russian federation, but at the same time, we know absolutely nothing about what

is happening. political components. i think the resignation of the first people in the armed forces of the republic of belarus said that the situation may have been out of control, but this is only my guess, it is not a fact that you and i are 100% aware of, and we understand that lukashenko, one way or another, is 100% dependent on of the russian federation is on the situation that was there two or three years ago, where he somehow tried to maneuver among these political currents. now we have seen the elections and the results of the elections. i was in belarus and saw what these people are capable of and we understand that belarus is in fact, it is a bridgehead for the army of the russian federation in the war against ukraine, so let's talk about whether the armed forces of the republic of

belarus will be used in full, i say in full because it is already difficult to talk about it, let's hope that the leadership and the military leadership gives itself some kind of report on what will happen when they enter the territory of ukraine, well, of course, most of them will not return, but the historical us, i think they should first of all understand for themselves before taking such a step, whether lukashenko will be able pressurize your military so that they take part in this war, it is very difficult for me to say no, we do not know , no one knows in ukraine what the situation is at the level of lukashenko well, we do not know whether lukashenko makes these decisions or whether there may be any decisions adopted without his knowledge although he says

that the ukrainian military, as he said, will blow off the head of anyone who tries to divide the country, let's hear lukashenka, the philosopher, the military of ukraine will blow off the head of anyone, especially nazis. well , he understands that, you see, the ukrainian military will blow off the head of everyone, but he did not add what will happen to us too if we move there er here the question is to what extent the situation that may unfold on our northern border or on the southern border of belarus may affect the situation within belarus we remember that two years ago, when president lukashenko was running for president, he repeated that belarusian troops would never take part in

military operations on the territory of ukraine and after the elections we remember how many people came out to the protest, considering this protest movement, which obviously did not go anywhere in belarus, is it clear that people are not satisfied with lukashenka, it is obvious that war is possible, or participation in the war directly by belarusians can detonate the situation inside belarus, it is clear that this detonation can be controlled, including by the russian federation, can we accept the words of lukashenka that he understands what awaits him in ukraine, listen, he understands everything very well. well, the level of his business is much better than you and i, the truth is, he knows the balance of power better than

you and i, but the question is, do you understand the person? well , after all, he was the president for many years, he too the fact that they have now become a satellite completely 100% of the russian federation, this does not mean that he does not understand something or does not know everything, he perfectly understands the issue in another way. look how we talked about the military. we do not know at what level , uh, this process stopped, whether it was at the level of the military or not that lukashenko told putin that we are not my military, i can't enter ukraine there, take planes there, take missiles there and take platforms there, take them there, but we can't go there physically to fight because they will kill me, we don't know how it happened the military, and we also don't know what lukashenko will make some statements or there will be some statements in the political composition of him over the years, well, you

remember this level, probably better than me, you know these quotes from lukashenko's interview, where he talked about the fact that belarus only drives on tractors to ukraine and the fact that we are brotherly peoples we cannot not fight and that they will do it to stop this war in ukraine and then everything just turns 360° and it is about a completely different direction, you understand why lukashenko a lot what he said to his term he lied a lot, and his position changed depending on the political wind of change, and therefore to say that he is afraid of the ukrainian military there or what kind of nationalists or something else. well, it seems to me that it is not worth paying attention to, just as it was not worth paying attention to where he assured us and our two

presidents that belarus is only a friendly country and it will not do anything bad for ukraine and as it turned out, you see, he lied and is now doing everything that vladimir putin tells him hmm to help putin in the occupation of ukraine, so let him speak today he said so, tomorrow he will say so about us, you know what to do, it is very good that there are people in belarus who are against lukashenka, who, er, well, this is how the nucleus of resistance crystallized, and if i can say so, i will hope that the political situation there will change and those criminals who helped e russian federation to kill and destroy our people about the structure will be punished in the same way as in russia. well, even before lukashenka is actually a political animal, that is, he feels on some animal level what should be done and what

should not be done, this is a quote about tractors if i don't i'm wrong, this quote was in the 16th year, when the presidents of belarus and ukraine met in gomel, and then lukashenko said to poroshenko that if i ever come, or if belarusians ever come to the territory of ukraine, then only on a tractor belarus well, there was a quote like that somewhere because lukashenko always sought economic cooperation between the two countries and it is clear that this gave a big plus to the economy of belarus, it gave lukashenko the opportunity to somehow recover from ties with putin, he tried somehow to diversify, but at first there may be a big war, everything will fall into place well, i hope that lukashenko will still end up on the list of defendants at the hague tribunal that putin

just needs to understand that lukashenko is our enemy and lukashenka is our enemy as well and putin regarding the belarusians. well, let's see how they will react in the event of a possible, i say again, a possible offensive. well, in the meantime , the naval forces of ukraine announced that they pushed the russian black sea fleet more than 100 km from the coast of ukraine, which is likely will ease the pressure of the russian blockade on the southern ports of ukraine. over the past few days, we have heard a lot of different statements, including putin's, saying that we are demining some certain routes, ukrainians will be able to take grain to europe and the rest of the world, that we will not enter we will not attack ukraine on these demined roads, and if they want, they can generally transport grain through belarus, no one

will prevent them from doing so, but of course it would be ideal if there was no black sea fleet in chorno furi at all of the russian federation, this is an ideal situation, and yet how can ukraine protect itself from the russian black sea fleet, because now the head of russia occupies a dominant position there, they mined very large areas of the sea, and it is clear that they are also afraid that their ships will be sunk , as well as cruiser moscow, but we will still have to live with it somehow, including after our victory for a neighbor who will try to control the black sea fleet, in what way can we do it now, well, it is clear that we pushed them away from the coast so that they would not shell our territory, in what way can the black sea be protected from the black sea, our

borders, well, from a military point of view, these are the only coast guard complexes, such as neptune , or those that our allies will give us now we are talking about harpoon missiles a-and therefore we can definitely control uh-uh only due to the fact that we have uh-uh certain missiles that can sink a ship so all this is a physical component only due to uh-uh brute physical force we can control the question is that on ukraine, on the ukrainian government, on the government and the military, because of this, now they are trying to pressure or ask such very delicate questions, do you understand that there is a food crisis, it is already starting, it is necessary to ensure the output of grain and so on and so on, let's talk about that

they talked very actively there with their friends, you understand, very interesting things are happening. that is, everyone says that the grain must be exported somehow, and it is preferable to export it by sea, because it is very difficult to export it by cars, it is like a teaspoon, but no one without i don’t guarantee that i will be able to export bread, so i have a question: if the world is so worried about the food crisis in the world, why the world? well, each country has not sent two or three ships of its own to the black sea, and this corridor will not provide security for ukrainian ships that will transport ships you understand. no one wants to do this, and a logical question arises: if you don't want to do it , why should we expose our people and our

equipment to danger? they are afraid because, well, friend, they will send a ship and putin will hit the ship with a missile and then they will have to respond, and then it will no longer be a war in ukraine, but a war from this country, the ship in which the soldier from the russian federation came will leave the country without an answer of course, any one will not be able to because the ship is actually the sovereign territory of another state where it was not located , it goes under the flag and an attack on this territory usually entails certain consequences and everyone is afraid to take these steps so that there are no consequences, well, you are there in ukraine, some sites will solve this issue, because we need grain. and how do you solve it, well, it is never interesting, well, this is a very interesting approach, ah, but in that regard, i understand the economic component, yes, that is, the sale of grain is huge amounts of money for our budget that do

not fall for nothing, but when we choose between politics, democracy, the economy, and security, security must always come first. -e news negotiations about other things that are economic and political. i think it is not even worth starting. this is my personal point of view. i know that many people do not support it, but we must now start doing something, because if we take this responsibility upon ourselves and losses, then we will take it upon ourselves again, and i assure you, knowing the russian federation and how their military personnel and their commanders work, to seek promises from them and the fact that they keep them well, it is worthless, we

have seen it during these eight years of all promises and about a cease-fire in the corridors, about some no, about the fact that they will not attack, they distort everything, lie as usual, uh, then they do some informational psychological operations, they try to say white to black , so there is absolutely no trust in black and white, eh, i am completely with i agree with you, but still the world and the self-preservation instinct of most world leaders should tell them that something should be done with the gopniks of the russian federation, because they are now blackmailing the whole world by saying that they will not release or they do not grain is released from ukraine, grain is stolen, grain is exported to the russian federation, they rob us, and as he spreads his hands, he says, well, yes, well , there may be millions or hundreds of millions

of people there who will suffer from hunger, but we can't do anything because russia has a nuclear button, although many countries in the world also have this nuclear button, which could put the russian federation in its place, is there a red line, after which the world and well, i will say language education. let 's put it this way, the world leaders will still decide not to negotiate with putin, but i decided to put him in his place as he should, i don't know serhiy, frankly, this is a very difficult question. look, what else should happen? yes, what else should happen? there are already a lot of victims on our side. yes, it's simple. thousands of people died, they committed their crimes, crimes against humanity , rape. well, everything that was possible

was already done, well, if this is not a red line, well, i don't know what else should be a red line, that is, now putin is behaving like a dictator, he is himself he leads like hitler he behaves like a person who should be convicted and executed, you can't live in a civilized world like that, well, it's not possible, it's impossible, it's wrong, and the world doesn't have enough of it. well, i don't know what else i should . the world will say, well, probably everything is a red line, i don't know, something else has to happen , thousands of people died. only, uh, from the 23rd to the 24th , thousands of people died, thousands. give some room for maneuver or discuss it, it is

uh-uh, it is impossible to communicate with an intelligent human language, uh, with a murderer, you have to communicate with him in that language, with the methods that we are used to thinking , making decisions, and conducting some of his affairs. only in this case everyone will be able to put the russian federation in its place, otherwise our war will simply drag on for decades . of our small country well, they will not export the resources of the russian federation, well, we have to speak frankly about this too, they sell oil, they sell gas at the expense of this, they can finance the army

, support the economy, and pursue the political course they are on now, if the world does not stop trading with them, if the world does not will begin to actively supply weapons to ukraine, well, this will last for a decade . marina ovsyannikova, the former editor of the first channel, you know that marina was invited to ukraine, she now works in germany, by the way, this is the same marina ovsyannikova who showed a poster saying no to war during the e-e news program on russian television, marina ovsyannikova was going to give a press conference here or something to explain how to fight russian

propaganda, even though she herself worked on the first channel of russia and here she wrote, you can see it on the screen now, she wrote i am not a good russian i am a ukrainian, a sign of support for ukraine, i deliberately changed my last name ovsyannikova to my family name tkachuk, er, er, how to perceive all these stories with maryna vsyannikova and with the citizenship of oleksandr nevzorov, er, to a rather ambiguous person who, in the early 90s, filmed our film about how the muscovite, well, the soviet amon, how he dispersed people in lithuania in vilnius near the tv tower, killed people, and in lithuania they don't want to see him, in latvia they don't want to see him, the staff is welcome in estonia, these countries now support us very actively in vienna lithuanians especially e and we

we take it and still try to flirt with seven so -called good russians, although ovsyannikova says that she is still ukrainian. why is it that our president, serhiy, is thrown into the info-space at all , that's why the thought from 2014 is that at first beautiful wars, so what? russians can be allowed into ukraine, but it is necessary to understand which russians, if it is, for example , a factory engineer or a chemist or a person who knows there are secrets in the russian federation in the security component, political components, economic components, if they are economists, which are conditional can benefit ukraine and harm russia , that is, i am now listing those categories of people who fled from germany during the second world

war and were taken to countries such as the united states of great britain so that they could bring their knowledge to work in the system of germany, it is useful for britain or there for others full-time or canada, that is , for example, well, if you are married, then be a useful champion . on the part of the russian federation, which seem to be oppositional, which seem to be for ukraine, and crimea is ours, that is, they speak your ukrainian, and we are with you, and we ourselves will be ukrainians, and so on. and so on, listen to this, why do we need you here? they

passed for a year, two, three, uh, your fellow journalists are inviting them to television, uh, i'm just following this, i'm interested, and they start saying, what did poroshenko do wrong, what did zelensky do wrong, and what did the prime minister do there? minister, one or another, he did that. what kind of dog is yours? it's like our government, any government in ukraine is elected by law, does this or that thing, they gave you some kind of residence permit here, you were given the opportunity to live in free democratic countries with some kind of mouth, sit quietly, you don't have to express your thoughts, go to yourself, you want to express to point out some deviations there or something else. to fight against some injustices there. i would sit in russia and fight. there is a lot of field where you can work in this direction, so i consider public politicians and public figures to be public journalists. ukrainian figures should not be allowed in, but if they are people who

worked there, what secret factories in russia are there, or enterprises that can give out secrets in russia, we must definitely take home the programs that can be used to hide them. we have them here and use their scientific potential within the framework that is needed in ukraine, well , this is my opinion, that is, there is still a good russian, but they but they but they are when they are in the engineering of these particles. of our program sir seeds i would like you to explain to the ukrainians the possible development of the following actions in ukraine. you have already said that there may be military actions within two or three years, several years, what

would you say to those people who still hope to the fact that this war or the course of this war can change drastically and give a positive result for ukraine in a very short period of time. look, we have a very simple situation . e european union united states great britain, canada, australia, that's how the whole civilized world and the leaders of this civilized world are. there is ukraine, which has crazy economic problems . there is oil, there is gas, there are reserves of strength for the coming years in order to

stabilize the economic security of the situation, at the beginning of the full-scale war, i was a little shocked by what happened, and accepted some positive financial programs for ukraine, but in that at the moment, this world is still trying to find a language with putin, to sit down at the negotiating table and, er, to reach some kind of consensus, there are three conceptual components that must be pushed away from, i am kidding you 100%, what if the world tries to come to an agreement with putin ah and give him some things that he will long for there, even on the terms of light, on his terms, the world will lose because the tyrant will remain in his place .

neighboring states should be under the control of russia that's why it's very simple either the world will do everything with russia so that it collapses and putin is not the president or the democratic world will lose the democratic world will win i believe this with great faith thank you to semen kabakaev, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, for participating in our conversation well, our tv broadcast continues our telethon continues, i'm saying goodbye to you for today, we'll see you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. goodbye, everyone, watch espresso news and euro espresso programs for ukrainian refugees in europe on the air on our channel co-broadcast with the atp channel radio svoboda programs voice of america time-time programs inclusion

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