funds are pumped out in different ways from the budget of russia from the budget of ukraine into the pockets of these comrades because well , here they looked in sevastopol as such independent circuses associated with russia and the black sea flank, so you could say look, but but still, even after the distribution of the fleet, well, the level of financing of the black sea fleet of russia and ukraine, it was very different in principle , our fleet was so based on the residual principle and financing and attitude towards it, can you remember this story about this, the only ukrainian a submarine called zaporizhzhia, for which these batteries were bought for many years in a row, and for many years it was repaired, and in the end it was written off, so this boat seems to be there, and i don’t know if it went on any combat voyages. why was it never accepted in ukraine, well, my personal impression is possible i'm wrong, the black sea, the black sea

in general, the armed naval forces of ukraine as a combat unit that needs special attention and funding, please, to be honest, a very long time, a long time and almost up to the 14th year in general, in ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine were not considered seriously by the state, sometimes our ministry of defense was so casually called the ministry of distribution of surplus property, so to speak, in fact , to a large extent, the task of the ministers of defense was not to create combat-capable armed forces that should defend the ukrainian state, but in er distribution and sale er of those guys weapons er that

ukraine received as a legacy from the soviet union of weapons and units of units we really had a lot of corresponding er to the southern flank of the so-called cold war and readiness for the use of the forces of the armed forces of the ussr in its a-and if the armed forces had such m-m . even from that share of the black sea fleet that we received, ukraine was not able to dispose of it properly, a large part of the ships were

ultimately scrapped, however, during this time we were still able to build at least four large ships on our own, this is the frigate the hetmanship is indifferent, our uh. unfortunately, it was sunk in mykolaiv. it was in dry dock. it was under repair. in fact, it was unarmed at the time when the ship was in the dock. in principle, he is already quite old. the navy has been

thinking for a long time about what to replace our flagship to come because today, on the second day, he will speak or not, so and so . on the ukrainian side. well, turkey also wants to act as such a peacemaker, a mediator , to somehow guarantee whether russia should guarantee us a security component for odesa, in particular. how do you see it? can we consider the possibility, at least theoretically, of demining now in order to get the grain out of here, this is a somewhat false narrative when we start to talk, the negotiations are about demining the ukrainian parties, and this false meeting

clearly promotes the russian federation. by the ilya coalition or by neutral states from ukrainian ports to other ports - this is the provision of freedom of navigation at sea, such a fundamental principle of international maritime law, which the russian federation not only violates, but rejects with its own actions in the black sea and the main key element that has some language is ensuring the formation or creation of security corridors by third parties, nato states, european union states or turkey a state that is a member of hmm powerful international organizations, which has a powerful fleet, which has experience

, including participation in the convoying of e-e ships , nato and eu operations in the wadden gulf, ensuring these security corridors, ensuring freedom of navigation of ships, attacking russian ships and blocking their movement in the black sea russians, the second stage, which er has er, the second component of this issue is if there will be such corridors, if there will be provision for the passage of ships, this is to ensure the entry and exit of er, these ships, the ports of ukraine. well, here we are talking about demining itself the ukrainian armed forces have knowledge of the map of their minefields, and they know the map of the passages through them, that is, if necessary,

ships and vessels from these ports will be able to leave and enter. they are not going to hand over maps of their copper politicians, they demand that ukraine de- mine the ports on its own, create direct corridors to the battle, of course we are not wary of the fact that the russians are redirecting from the center of gravity with ensuring security shipping to create corridors to our ports demining is trying to play a game, so to speak, to put it bluntly, to cheat, because we are

thus opening its landing ships access to our points, we must have certain security guarantees before making the price and in general, if to listen to the negotiations between the russian horse and the defense minister of the city administration or the regional government, the narratives that appear are quite strange. for example, ukraine demines the ports , turkey provides the e-egress code for ships from ukrainian ports and then transfers them to the black sea for them, and then their security is ensured by the armed forces of the russian federation. well, as they say, write the goat up. unfortunately, this is an announcement that you

do not like the negotiation code at all. well, it is obvious that there are some agreements there, probably a minimal possibility. today is the second day. yesterday was the first day of negotiations in turkey. well, we will follow all of this. thank you, mr. pavly, for participating in our broadcast. pavlo lakiychuk, head of security programs of the center for global studies and a retired military sailor, we talked about the division of the black sea fleet, which took place already almost three decades ago, but it laid the foundations of the state of its fleet and ukrainian defense capabilities in general, and this is also what was laid then for the current war, which was planned, obviously, also from the moment of the collapse of the union, what we are talking about now . of the whole world, together with mykola gorbachev , the president of the ukrainian grain association

, we will talk about whether russia should now relax sanctions by blackmailing the world with a lack of food, or whether there is an alternative to sea ports for transportation through the sea, how much grain can be transported by railway or road transport. well, in general, it transforms 20-22, let's talk about whether ukraine will be able to feed itself and the world, how much grain it plans to collect, but if the russia of the world is so, then why does it now have to suddenly change its mind in turkey and agree to this agreement? laska yes, okay, take it out, then it’s somehow from the zaporizhia region of russia, the occupiers have already begun to export grain from the zaporizhia region by trains, the russian troops, so occupied crimea, are exporting grain by trains, the city mayor announced this melitopol ivan fedorov on radio svoboda two days ago they started taking our grain by rail, so they are doing it faster and it is clear that they do not plan to stay in

the territory of our city for a long time because they want to steal everything as soon as possible and under you he said at the same time the russian flag is english content with reference to representatives of the occupation authorities, they report that the first train with grain has already arrived from melitopol to occupied sevastopol well, then he gets on the ship , this grain is overloaded and goes at the same time representatives of the occupation authorities call the restoration of the freight railway connection of crimea with the mainland part of the black sea, well, for them, this is a restoration. these are the same trains with grain that went from ukraine to the mass there in the age of moscow, so what were there in the 20s and 30s, the forties, it’s all the same and they are her we really missed that we somehow invented independence for ourselves here. and they can't just steal. and we have food and export it to russia, but what does turkey want from its mediation in demining and demining issues unblocking the ports, turkey also has its own interest, and by performing these services, turkey will receive

an obvious increase in international weight, first of all, well , you can tell everyone that i am the savior and the status of the savior in the world from hunger, but it is not only this status, it is also money the minister of agriculture and forestry of this country, vahid kirishchi, whose turkish content is that, said that as part of the company for unblocking the export of grain, ukraine will provide the intermediary with exactly this, well, with a significant discount, a discount quote. we have an agreement to give us a price 25% below, he said, have no dilemma regarding the safe export of the product, and russia and ukraine only trust us. well, we don’t know who we can trust one hundred percent, especially when russia appears in these agreements. we already know for sure that they say one thing and they do another. here, the military infrastructure has been suppressed for the fourth month, and in fact they are simply killing the civilian

population and attacking civilian objects, so this issue is very important, especially since it affects here from a large part of the world the issue of hunger and what there will be agreements in turkey very interesting today we will wait for the second day mykhailo zhornakov will appear on our broadcast and we can't go there for technical reasons yes to gorbachev eh well let's wait eh zhorna for now there is a direct speech of the minister of foreign affairs of russia and lavrov , who was sent to turkey for negotiations, let 's hear what he said there yesterday. занимаемся реализациесь целый вылый объявлены publicly freed vostok

ukraine from the pressure of the neo-nazi regime well done to the journalist who asked him to do such and such a right thing fool fool fool himself but these are serious things that are already going directly echelons of wagons from kherson oblast to russia, this also all needs to be fixed and for it to be included in the materials of criminal cases, because it is theft, first of all, and secondly, exposing a large part of the world to hunger. i think so far this awareness has not reached everyone. mykhailo zhornakov should be with us, we will talk with him about the anti-corruption prosecutor's office , yes, the competition that has been going on for two years, which was actually completed in december of last year, but the winner has not yet been announced, because the winner

is not exactly the person who was planned at the beginning of the competition i.e. directly something went wrong during the competition, and mykhailav is a lawyer and chairman of the board of the foundation de jure coordinator of the citizens' council of integrity and he basically coordinates this reform from the very beginning mykhailo congratulations good afternoon. can you hear us? good afternoon, mykhailo . look, the day before, the adviser to the president's supreme court, timofii melovanov, called on experts to work on reforms, and not on reforms as much as possible , but on maximizing financial flows to ukraine. he said the following on facebook: all economic business experts and opinion leaders today have work on one goal to maximize financial aid support for ukraine during the war no no on reforms no no on quarrels about tax rates no no

over the criticism of competitors or over one's ego or career. this is how i understand your task is one maxim - to maximize financial flows to ukraine in order to expel the war, well, what does vitaliy shabunin, the head of the anti-corruption center, also answered in absentia, tell me what bankova continues block the completion of the competition. the position, while helping, hinders maximizing financial flows to ukraine, is a question mark, so maybe you made a mistake with the addressees of the appeal, whom do you support ? first of all, well, first of all, a small clarification of the public integrity council, unfortunately , it has not been working since the 19th year, because it has a higher color of the commission of judges . i would not like to speak in the context of supporting one or the other, although of course, it is obvious

that i, er, since i have been involved in reforms for 8 years , er, of course, i understand the value of reforms, i am sure that milan you understand, that is why i am sorry to read ideologically. dear professor it is such a passage that it is not necessary to work with super-reforms now. because with whomever i am. we are now very deeply involved in, in particular, the advocacy of granting ukraine the status of a candidate for the eu, which is fantastically important for all of us, and the government is working on this, civil society and many teams and e in fact, at every meeting, we hear that everything is fine, you tell us that you are ready to get the status of a candidate and move closer to europe. and what about sap , the commission has been working for two years and you cannot formally appoint a head and we don't really have anything to answer, so this is the opposition of financial reforms. of course, we all need to work

on attracting finances to the state, but we don't need to engage in reforms, let's just attract a little bit of financial flows to me and maybe not a little bit from it smells like this. excuse me, the story about let's attract a lot of money, we won't do reforms, because when the reforms are developed, the constitutions work, then the money is much, let's say, it's much more difficult to direct it to where it goes. direct, directed, should not be reforms, they do not hinder, but reforms, on the contrary, help, but to do and help the state, so i will tell you that such an opposition is anti-reform. this is absolutely not pro-ukrainian rhetoric. unfortunately, you say that the competition is dragging on. i quote and read it on december 21. for the position of the head of the sap detective or oleksandr klymenko well, in principle, everything that happened after december 21, if today is already june 9, and we are still

talking about the election of the head of the sap. and this is necessary ask mrs. chairwoman kateryna koval, her name and her colleagues, who are actually mostly appointed by the parliament, but who are actually under the control of mr. tatarov, the deputy head of the president's office, an anti-maidan activist, and a friend of portnova, who still works as the deputy head of the president's office. i would like to remind you who actually block the memory let's look at these uh-uh comical ones, but actually uh-uh hmm, i don't know which stories to pick up about the fact that the cat was fed to one of the commission members, let's not assign now is there voting left, the winner is known, the points are known, it is known who won, all checks have been carried out, all that remains is to raise your hands for this person, uh, and formally announce him as the winner, the commission has not been able to do this for several months, it is actually blocking those who do not want to build

independent anti-corruption institutions here in ukraine, i will quote from the mirror of the week on september 1. last year, well, almost a year has passed, 9 months have already passed . zelenskyi, at a meeting with biden, agreed with the need to reform the sbu and fair contests nabu and sap it was when mr. zelensky was in the states and met with biden personally. he promised him that this contest would be held quickly. nine months have passed. well, what happens when tatarov manages foreign policy? the president promises something. you say that there is a person who what is the position of the deputy head of the office and he is slowing down this competition ? well, the deputy head of the office, i will remind you, mr. tatarov is in charge of the law enforcement agencies. geopolitics, but these are three things, that is, by the way, it is related to geopolitics and things that actually

determine how much aid will be provided or not provided to ukraine, whether it will join or not receive, will not receive, at the end of this month, the status of a candidate for the accession to the eu and well, these things directly depend on that. well, i’m really sorry. you see when one part, including the president’s office, is desperately fighting to get this status. leaders, other world leaders are going on a tour of europe in order to convince their fellow world leaders to give ukraine the status of a candidate, and the rest of the team, unfortunately, can make efforts . they already chose a long, long time ago well, i understand the question is that tatarov had his own winner , so who took second place with the defeat of which they can what is actually happening now, well, the commission had to officially announce the competition within 30 days

according to the law of the winner of the contest, that is, until january 21, but this did not happen. and what is happening now to the commission? has this commission already been dissolved or is it going to function? well, what is the formal reason for it? how do they explain that they have not been able to announce the results of the contest and the winner for more than six months? they cannot announce the winner. they do not explain this is the duty of the head of the commission, i will repeat kateryna koval , er, five members of the commission gathered and appealed, including roman pobeda , who is currently serving in the armed forces of ukraine, who went as a volunteer in the first days and from the service calls, including with colleagues from abroad, five members of the commission call on her to assemble a commission by law, she is obliged to do it at the request of five members, they do not do it presents some court decisions on the opening of appeal proceedings, which do not legally change anything, i.e. she refuses to fulfill her obligations under the law and

actually disrupts her appointment, simultaneously disrupts a huge part of ukraine's support and in fact, the european future of ukraine, and what's more, now it's not only about the future of ukraine, it's basically about the struggle of democracy against autocracy in the world, and well, this is a vivid example of how criminal is simply not the competence and moral limits of one person, in fact, it's very negative affects the events in ukraine in this world well, in our country, nazar kholodnytskyi resigned from his position as the head of the garden on august 21, 2000, almost two years ago, maybe then it is not necessary, well, our anti-corruption fight is already it is effective enough and all the corrupt officials of zhulika are already sitting. it is possible at all. well, this position is not, well, not too necessary at the moment. if it is two years, the goat is effective. we understand that this position is needed and the

anti-corruption institutions are needed. those that exist need to be strengthened, on the contrary, not weakened. new ones need to be built, judicial reform needs to be carried out, other economic reforms need to be carried out, and without, well, without an effective system of these key anti-corruption bodies, there is no need for an anti-corruption court. well, when there is no the anti-corruption prosecutor cannot actually sign any suspicion to work effectively and independently, such important institutions, all the connections are actually acquired by the anti-corruption court. that is why this position is so important, and that is why so much attention is paid to it, and that is why president zelensky personally promised president biden that this is in writing , so be -what are these attempts to hide behind well, in fact, some pawns like kateryna koval, uh, some, allegedly, there are court decisions that seem to prohibit, in fact, all this is perceived on to the west exclusively through the prism of president zelenskyi's personal responsibility. of course, we now

have a catastrophic situation, i mean we have a very difficult situation with the war and we are helped and thank god that they help, but i will repeat that this is not unlimited, this help and these things are unfortunately negative affect the level of financial support for ukraine, and even more so on its european prospects, because we unfortunately show the whole world that, on the one hand, we defend ourselves effectively, we really defend the values ​​of freedom, but on the other hand, somehow we don't really want to move forward and really become a european state, the history of the european union seems to be that there is an opportunity to somehow speed up these processes, so in june there will be this same european parliament calling for ukraine to be given the status of a candidate for the time being accession to the european union, and specifically the father's history. and in general, the level of anti-corruption reform here can

be a stone for us, and which will hinder us, and not what can . if we don't get it, it will be like this. that is, it will be the main reason why, but it is the most revealing , because the biggest problems that those who do not want to give us the status of a candidate point out to us are corruption and the absence of the rule of law. what is the answer? well, in eight years we have done so much, we have made the national anti-corruption bureau, we have made a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, an anti-corruption court, the judicial reform in our country has started a new round and has a chance to be successful, and we are they are asking for your answer, wait, this is the same specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, which has not been able to appoint a head for two years, despite the fact that the winner has been known for six months as the competition has been held, just for 5 minutes the commission cannot

gather to raise its hands and announce the winner. therefore, this directly affects the - is our european perspective and god forbid we do not get it, do not do it before the summit, which i remind june it is already coming this was a surprise for many, including me, on june 15 there will be a decision of the european commission and this is an important decision that actually determines or recommends to give us the status of a candidate through commenting to give us some, well , actually say no, some kind of candidate status in a candidate that will not lead to anything and will actually lead to huge disappointment and a drop in morale in ukraine here 23- on the 24th, there will be a summit at which this decision will actually be finally made, mr. mykhailo. please comment on this court verdict, which came into force somehow, the war happened and we are all focused on the victories and the situation on the battlefield, but the sentence that entered into force against the former deputy minister of the temporarily

occupied territories of internally displaced persons, yuriy hrymchak, he was given 10 years and already 10 years with confiscation, and the sentence entered into force already after the appeal. the sentence and the article there was fraud and the second article of incitement to a completed attempt to provide illegal benefits to officials holding responsible and especially responsible positions, here is more comment any laska, after all, 10 years with confiscation, well, according to such articles, for fraud. i don’t know if anyone in our country received this. well, in the end, in general , was mr. yuryu gremchak the main corruptor in this country, he was convicted not even for corruption, but for fraud, that is he promised a service there to which he had no relation as an official. is this an achievement of our anti-corruption bodies? this is the sentence for yuriy rymchak. please. and this is an enemy of which

court. i will tell you now. on february 23, i gave it to him . well, look, i just don't comment on specific decisions. courts me. this is not our activity, we do not evaluate them and do not. well, although some of them are just so uh-uh strange that it turns out, but if we are talking about the anti-corruption court, then the situation here is precisely such that they do not need to be evaluated, because before the anti-corruption court, i trust is different from other e-e courts that e-e we have in ukraine work because it was as usual but but is the article of a fraudster is a profile article of the anti-corruption court, the anti-corruption court examines cases that are subject to investigation and e-e in relation to which it carries out procedural the management of the garden is 13 articles of the criminal code , which is actually one of them. if i am not mistaken, it is fraud. if it is there, if it was examined by the anti-corruption court. it is certain that it is actually his

jurisdiction. on the air, mykhailo zhirnakov joined him later in our news, well , mykhailo is already a lawyer and the head of the board of the de jure foundation, we invited him for a reason. there is a final point left, he will not reach it, even though it was completed on december 21, 2021, like all of our anti-corruption reform, it has a beginning and there is no see well, this is all that depends on our status so far, at least as a candidate for the european union, because there are clear conditions please, do you want to do it, and we didn't do it, but it says do it, because we are, after all, we are so beautiful. let's go