and these things that the belarusian regime is doing, they are more precisely aimed at our deterrence, or let's say that our troops were forced to be near the borders of belarus and not in the donbas. yes, let 's talk. of course, there is a lot of activity, as always, on the side of the official ankara. and who really wants to somehow be such a great diplomat everywhere, but at the same time, there are somewhat contradictory signals. turkey can in fact provide itself with grain and the corridor, i don’t know how exactly, but it is asking for some 25 percent discount on ukrainian grain for turkey itself, complicated schemes and at the same time they say

that and at the same time he is meeting with lavrov yes that is with lavrov and they are seriously discussing the lifting of some sanctions in exchange for not lifting ira, what do you all think about this, what is currently being pursued by nk? well, i think 25%. in fact, it is very similar to looting, and it is as if an attempt to take advantage of the a-a situation, i don't i think that the ukrainian side will go for it, although from the very beginning, ukraine, as far as i remember, was ready to include turkey as a mediator in this matter for everyone. well, turkey really has it. i think there was a feeling that they could just solve it quickly they have all their issues , including solving the issue with the russians

now. on the agenda, the war in syria is not very successful for them there, as they expected to at least or at least limit russia's activities there and taking advantage of the fact that the russians are entering from syria and they transfer their troops, uh, the ukrainian front using this. they wanted to quickly solve the issue, well, it doesn’t work out very well, uh, they do n’t want to fight with the russians. and actually, all those movements that we observe from ankara are built around this problem they have already declared their readiness to start an operation, but it seems that this operation is certainly exposed to danger. well, as i said, they don't want to fight with the russians. who a-a well, who can they beat uh-uh, of course it's the cords

and that's why all around these statements are quite contradictory to what we hear from turkey, and the same as with the issue of grain, because judging by the fact that again, we know everything about the guarantees of the transportation of this grain they are quite implemented, that is, turkey can not give us a guarantee that if the russians break their word, the turks can apply certain sanctions or forceful methods against them. the turks will not do this again for the same reason, they do not want to spoil relations with the russians, therefore, for us it is obvious that all these , this whole story seems very dubious. well,

in general, hmm, in this case, how do we see that the turks should definitely, if they allow, turkey is one country, i don't remember any other that has been there in the last few years really shot down, for example , a russian plane that was violating their territory, but they just took it and shot it down, and on the other hand , do they have enough theoretical at least e capacity in the black sea in order to, well, actually solve it by force theoretically the question is, of course, you shot down the plane, and then you were afraid that she shot down this plane, and what's more, after the event, after the coup , and the current government of the accused, er, the pilot, because he turns out to have done it in order to spoil relations between russia and turkey and that he is a member of the movement or, as they say, a terrorist

organization, that's why you know here, the mention of this downed plane can bring joy to someone's heart. which plane earned posladovych eh and eh in relation to eh in relation to accompanying capacities, well, obviously there are capacities, but we would be interested in an international operation, that is, for turkey to do it not only for itself , but turkey does not very much want to see eh in black a sea of ​​representatives of other countries, e.e. nato, for example, categorically insists that only turkey can implement this project. uhu, we have news about our own

iron cube system, these conversations were collectiveized thanks to the services of ukraine in israel by yevgeny korniychuk who called to give ukraine an anti- missile defense system like israel's, and said that the usa is not against it, and the assisi press and the washington post wrote about it this week . korniychuk says that we need an iron dome, we need military-technical support that will save our peaceful women and children from russian missiles, of course, but let 's figure out how suitable the iron dome is for ukraine and what is the difference, the actual difference that is being talked about now is that including military experts, which does not allow us to fully integrate this system into the ukrainian defense. do you still think that it is possible to push away from this and build up and actually these developments of the israeli e-e military and

defense companies? the iron bought will not give. of course, i very much welcome the efforts of the woman. and i think that, despite everything , it should be done anyway. and israel is a very difficult country, and i generally doubt that israel will give us anything more than what it gave, that is it means fairy tales, bulletproof vests for civil services, and obviously we can be fed some promises by israeli representatives because they will regularly attend meetings in rammstein, but we will not get anything from them, so i think that it is completely pointless to evaluate there the same iron compass from the point of view of their possibilities of application and the

impossibility of ukraine, by the way, why? because if, for example, the israeli rusilempost also expresses doubts that ukraine can to receive the iron dome, they say that they will not hand it over to anyone, and because of the secrecy there and because of the agreements signed by the usa regarding the rules of the defense goods expert well , here we see that the usa does not seem to be against it, but still a number of international publications express including the israeli press doubts that israel would sell this defense system to anyone, but it assumes that the publication, for example, is specifically sitting silampost, writes about what could be provided by more universal means of the israeli air defense system such such as david's slingshot and the anti-aircraft missile complex spyder, which are being developed by the same defense company and could be more suitable for ukraine. why should we not expect the provision of these systems to ukraine? please explain this delicate

diplomatic situation. especially since it seemed to us after of this cooling between israel and russia, which was caused by the statements of the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, lavrov, that hitler had jewish blood and that the most anti- semites, as a rule, were jews, and israel was outraged at that time, we remember these statements talks about the provision of arms to ukraine by israel have intensified, although now for some reason they have quieted down, please explain how the russian-ukrainian war sounds in the context of israeli politics and whether we can expect that israel can support ukraine in one way or another. well, let 's first put the scandal to rest the brakes were pulled on the brakes by the israelis themselves, uh, naftolibena claimed that uh, putin apologized in a conversation with him

for the words of this apology, no one heard, but in fact, uh , thus the israeli prime minister essentially this statement is a police point regarding the relationship between russia and israel, but for the israelis, russia continues to represent an important international partner that affects the situation in syria, which affects the situation, and iran, which affects the situation in the near future . east as a whole and that's why, well, there is a huge jewish community living on the territory of russia. that's why, based on all this, the israelis will not spoil relations with the russians and will not do anything to provide

military aid to ukraine precisely for these reasons and not for what reasoning there in the secrecy of this and that other weapon because they love to sell and export their weapons to many countries, well, to the same azerbaijan , after all, they sold completely modern models of israeli weapons and everything was the first time, that is, money is absolutely the priority here in this case, but if it comes to when it comes to ukraine, of course relations with russia come to the fore. actually, finally, we will ask yuriy a-ah piskovu, the spokesman of the kremlin said today that the war will continue until they are fulfilled all the goals of putin's russia, more precisely, we certainly don't know them to the end, because they are also being adjusted there, in my opinion, but they also report, in particular , medusa with a message to his sources that there are intentions

to create a separate russian district in the occupied territories, and this kyriyenko will deal with it which is now called the successor, the successor, the heir, of putin . conclusion of some kind of truce, will ankara continue here, uh, trying to use such a platform to promote its services for the kremlin , so you mean a truce with us? well , first of all, in order to conclude a truce with us, we need to agree to such a change. and as for ankara, well, this is what they try to do all the time, they are talking about the narratives that we hear from

turkey, experts, a whole class of experts, politicians , they are talking about this precisely because war is not profitable in turkey, we are aware of this and understand it from from the very beginning, even before the start of the war, the turks actually did not hide what this war could turn out to be for them, the consequences for the turkish economy are huge. well, it is clear that they will do everything in order to stop sitting at the negotiating table. well, that is the only thing that can be said here. and it is clear that of course the turks are our strategic partners but i think that as they say on the plaque in the year a-a and they have their own interests on their own interests, well thank you very much ihor semigolos was in touch with us thank you conversation maybe 70 with annual inflation is something like a percentage, there are actually problems of their own. well, but this is

actually related to anti-market measures, you can drive at the expense of demonstrating to your own society the role of a great world leader. by the way, who does not try to look at boris johnson, finally johnson. it turns out very cool, and we actually, congratulations on the initiative, one dynamo is not exactly trying, yes, they are definitely not for us, i definitely do not agree with you that the kremlin changes its narratives because they constantly seem to disappear from the information field, then appear again, but still demilitarization, denazification of ukraine, putin, when appearing in public, he constantly repeats it as a mantra that the goals remain unchanged, the so-called publishers of the galaxy, they have not shared anywhere, you understand that, that's the followers of the dart ideal, that's not that , we don't know what else we'll talk to the next guest but before that, let's take a look at the small material that we prepared for

this conversation. the editor-in- chief of the black-news portal will be in touch with us, the head of the monitoring group of the institute of strategic black sea research, let's talk about the 27 years since the black sea fleet was divided between ukraine and russia. our correspondents prepared a report on this topic. let's take a look and then discuss. after the collapse of the soviet union in 1992, the soviet black sea fleet came under the control of ukraine, but some of the fleet's officers are supported the authorities from moscow rebelled against the ukrainian authorities, now as a result of the meeting of presidents kravchuk and yeltsin on august 3, 1992, the fleet was to be divided in half for the time between state negotiations the fleet came under the full power of russia, the russians also refused to leave sevastopol, this continued until 1995, the then president - leonid kuchma and boris

yeltsin decided to divide the fleet 18% of the ships went to the ukrainian navy 82% of the ships to the black sea fleet of the russian federation the stay of the russian fleet on the territory of ukraine was limited to 2017. but in 2010, the fugitive president viktor yanukovych surrendered the ship base for another 25 years until 2042, a series of thousands of opposition rallies took place, but the so-called kharkiv agreements nevertheless ratified in the verkhovna rada with the support of the coalition of the party of regions of the communist party and the lytvyn bloc, well- respected people's deputies, the napkins were sworn in here in 2014, after the annexation of crimea, russia began active rearmament of the black sea fleet of the

aggressor, they began to send modern equipment to the peninsula and qualitatively increase the potential both the coastal forces and the surface submarine fleet, before the start of a full-scale invasion, russia threw large amphibious ships into the black sea, planning to land an amphibious assault on odesa, but the main the threat of the black sea fleet is capable of launching cruise missiles of the caliber class at almost any point in ukraine, while the kupants can launch more than 60 cruise missiles at the same time, but we can still fight the occupier at sea; the destruction of the flags on the black sea fleet of the cruiser moscow, which was sunk with the help of ukrainian neptune rockets are in the greater sanctified what happened to the flagship of the black sea fleet of moscow серии кораблы действительные есть ли изгымые места

продовый травмы я всё понимаю он только обясните how you were able to lose him, a few more russian boats were destroyed by already legendary bairaktars in general since the beginning of the war russia has lost 13 ships in the black sea will significantly strengthen the defense of the coastal strip against ship complexes harpoons that ukraine received from denmark, according to experts, this will allow the black sea fleet of the invaders to be driven away from the ukrainian coast and unblock the ports of odessa. well, actually, a little more on this topic let's continue and then about more already if actual situation in the fleet eh, actually i want to congratulate andrii klymenko, the editor-in-chief of the black sea news portal and the head of the monitoring group of the institute of physical black sea research p. good day to andrii, actually before this date i just wanted to say on your opinion, well, there are a lot of reports that there was an

unfair distribution of the black sea fleet, 18% only in ukraine, and it was not the best, and so on and so on, eh kravchuk. i remember that all the time already to the deceased, and for that, the question seemed to be why did you give the black sea fleet? did you give it away? if you want. he always remembers that somewhere once, it must have been in the 90s, he said on television when there was still such freedom of speech to kuchma, it is meant that you know if the black sea fleet i would be near lviv. i wouldn't give a single percent and there is definitely something in that, because i remember, i somehow had to watch it, an interesting fact. you probably also know that already in the first one, the first one, respectively . in december, there was a referendum on independence of the year 1991, and already somewhere at 15:00 or 20, a group of deputies of the verkhovna rada, in particular from the specialized defense committee, came

to convince these commanders of the black sea fleet to take the oath, including the then admiral kasatonov and most of them simply accepted refused refused and that's all the story with the black sea fleet if if well , actually i wanted to say this on the eve of this date, what do you think mr. andriy in general about this event about this anniversary about the contribution of this event to the creation the basement for today's russian-ukrainian war let's try to comment on what we saw , what is your comment? well, i think that first of all, this is already history, an old story, it must be 30 more than 30 years, and because we did not say what versions, uh, we did not put forward here in fact, the truth will be known when the archives are published and then learned

historians and military historians will be able to draw conclusions, we can now look closer at the past and i want to say that due to the fact that sevastopol remained bases of the black sea fleet and not only sevastopol, there were several bases of the russian military e-e that were part of the black sea fleet, this and feodosia, this balaklava , this one on land, separate military units. a bridgehead for what is happening in the black sea now, but let's say

that until 2014, the russian federation, according to the terms of the agreement, could not actually update the black sea fleet and the black sea fleet, it just rusted and there was no point in it to modernize the old iron that was in sevastopol and other bays, and that is why the first thing that the russian leadership started to do after the occupation of crimea, it started an unprecedented program for russia to renew the black sea fleet . it means that they managed to the detriment of other fleets, that is, for several years it was the

black sea fleet that primarily used modern ships with missile weapons, and as of february 24 of this year, the black sea fleet of the russian federation has three quite modern missile frigates, four fairly modern missile corvettes and six uh modern diesel missile submarines means uh in general uh missile volley that is 3 + 4 = 7 * 8 = 56 on surface ships and uh four four missiles on six submarines, that's another 24, that's

caliper missiles, right now, two missile submarines and two missile surface ships of the black sea fleet, they got stuck in the mediterranean sea. because on february 27, turkey closed the bosphorus straits, including to russian ships, that's why rocket the hall is a little smaller 56 of all that is on the black sea well, this is exactly what our naval forces currently have to deal with on the black sea, in principle, it cannot be said that russia has the largest fleet among the black sea states turkey has the largest fleet, but it is directly in the black sea, it is the largest fleet, because most of the warships in

turkey are mainly located at bases in the mediterranean sea. in general, the situation as the sinking of the moscow cruiser affected the activity russia in the black sea, the moscow cruiser could not fire its powerful anti-ship missiles along the coast, unlike the new frigates and corvettes and submarines with calib missiles, but the moscow cruiser performed an important role as an air and missile defense cruiser, it had 64 launchers on board of the s300 complex er its naval version of ford and thus 64 is almost there two divisions er means and thus the cruiser moscow he created such a protective umbrella from

er aviation and from er missile strikes under his they felt protected, the rest of the ships felt protected, and what is happening at the moment when the moscow cruiser arrived, russia is trying to do something, so it means such a land-based anti-aircraft cruiser from snake island, well, it is difficult to do it with flowers yes, mr. andrii , if i ask you anyway, if it eventually came to the point that the world would have to unblock grain transit in particular, or at least ensure its export, how much for that? well, how much conventionally speaking, the fleet that remains in

russia is powerful. well, if compared to other, for example , maritime states, how many would be needed for such an operation, would it be necessary to involve in units of the fleet, for example, so that the russians would not even make sense to interfere? e-e naval forces of major major maritime powers such as e-e united states such as britain e-e france and such as italy and even spain they do not consider the black sea fleet a serious opponent for example one i emphasize one missile will be replaced by the united states orleborg type, it is armed with almost 100 cruise missiles, almost 100. that is, it is more than much

more than the entire missile hall of the black sea fleet of russia, so they never considered it a serious naval force, and but the problem is that they, just like the american and european embassies, left kyiv in february, the naval forces of nato, not the black sea countries, they left the black sea sooner or later. they are the last visit of the french missile of the verne frigate ended on january 2 of this year, and after that there was not a single warship in the black sea for the black sea nato countries against the background of the fact that last year there were records for many indicators even compared to 2014

and the number of measures and the quality of the ships and the duration of their stay in the water area, that is, it looked like they really did not want to mean any kind of combat accidental collision even in the black sea with the russian black sea fleet and they decided to simply solve the problem very simply nothing has been sent since january 2. i think that this is also the case. historians will one day evaluate all these events. we are constantly paying attention to this topic , we literally have two minutes left, so i would like to ask briefly about

kryvava oil, what news do we have here today? well , in may, compared to april, we have an increase of approximately 2 million tons, from 12 to 14 million, that's one export, so far. we don't see anything that would go into decline. now let's see, although the sanctions will come into force on sea exports of european oil in only six months, and on oil products in 8 months, we still hope that the business marine, which deals with these sea transportations of russian oil. he will react much faster because the transportation of russian oil is in the background in the context