and these who were just neighbors, now they have become family, all of them have become friends, i imagine even when we all come, and how will it be here. the house will be filled with human voices, this house on lobanovskyi street will never be the same as it once was, he had to go through too much, but steps the sun here is always picturesque anastasia gribanova b-sinius ukraine kyiv is all we can tell you today there is more interesting information on our website bvc.ua and we say goodbye goodbye in ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 106th day of heroic ukrainian

resistance against the russian occupation, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine declares that russian troops continue shelling severodonetsk and look for weak points in its defenses in the donetsk direction russia, in addition to using artillery along the contact line launched a missile attack in the region of the city of kramatorsk on the same night the russians launched a missile attack on zhytomyr oblast around 1 a.m. a russian missile damaged a high-rise building building in novograd-volynsk over the last day , 200 soldiers of the russian federation were killed, the greatest losses were reported in the direction of bakhmut with the beginning of the already great war, the russians have already lost 31,700 people in ukraine 3398 3438 armored fighting vehicles 711 artillery systems 213

rocket systems of salvo fire 96 means of air defense 212 of airplanes 178 helicopters - 2421 units of automotive equipment 13 ships boats 125 cruise missiles 562 drones 53 units of special equipment about western sanctions against russia, the changing world, friends of ukraine and waiting for the sunset, today we are talking in our studio with a diplomat, politician , extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine valery chalym valery glory to ukraine glory to the heroes i congratulate you, thank you for agreeing to participate in our program and the 106th day of ukrainian resistance has passed russian occupation, what impressed you the most in world politics as a diplomat? over the past 100 days, who has pleasantly surprised you, and who has not pleasantly disappointed

you? seize this assessment because the hot phase of the war with russia has been going on in our country for longer than, say , the soviet-finnish winter war, and we obviously, like our partners, allies, did not expect or think that even this hot phase would be so long-lasting, despite the fact that since 2014, we have already seen how russia is doing, how it acts. well , i will say right away that our assessments are always based on what is desired, but if you look at it objectively, then such a consolidation of the anti-putin coalition did not arise in the first days of war when ukrainians

in fact, they were the first weeks, first of all , and near kiev, and these battles, which came from belarus, from chernihiv oblast. well, it’s clear, both in the east and in the south, but this phase was completely on the shoulders of ukrainians, despite the fact that some we had small weapons before, in particular, well, very locally, there are only lethal ones, these are only javelins that were provided by the states, maybe the lithuanians helped us there with such counter-sniper weapons, it was just uh, for many, we know it as a surprise, and for some, it was a slap in the face. what ukraine was able to do immediately resist and not to capitulate, of course, then the approaches of our countries , i won’t say that the allies were quite wrong , as until the 24th, at least they were called on there constantly

and for more than one month. yes, and immediately after the 24th, but then the situation leveled off, and there was really such a consolidation such support as it is today, well , it was hard to even expect it, in fact. if i say so frankly, because the same rammstein format will be gathered for the third time on june 15, which includes not only nato countries, but also the countries of asia and africa, and this format is expanding, i will remind you that coordinates and consults there regarding the provision of weapons, including heavy weapons of ukraine, for this, and for us lend-lease, and for other things . at first, we were, well, it is difficult to hope, but with all that, we understand today that now there is a new the defining moment is not only ukraine's opposition to the russian invasion and russian occupation, the russian war, but also the maintenance of a common

line, the consolidation of the anti -putin coalition, that is why, in principle, i don't even want to evaluate individual countries because the processes are all interconnected and to the extent of the successes in ukraine on the fronts and our e-e efforts of external consolidation of the ukrainian political society, i think that we can maintain the same constant increasing pressure on russia for sanctions, economic, weapons, the provision of ukraine to strengthen the defense and the possibility of de-occupation, and on political issues of expansion of this anti-putin coalition, because you say that the president of poland aje and duda today in an interview stated that the chancellor of germany and the head of the french state continue to talk about the president of the russian federation had nothing

to do with the conversations, except that he actually compared these episodes with the episodes of the second world war and said that during the second world war , someone spoke in a similar way about dolph and hitler, someone said that he should save face that it is necessary to act in such a way that it was humiliating so that it was not humiliating for adolf and hitler, here is this reproach that is directed at both scholz and macron, well , obviously, macron and scholz can er explain . in this way, we conduct a dialogue with putin because everything anyway, someone should be in contact with him. someone should have this conversation with him. how do you explain the position of both the shul and macron, whether the conversations are appropriate or motivated ? not how much it is

motivated if it is also a result from the side of the russian federation, first of all i will say in comparison there with the second world war. i believe that if we compare, then this is not yet a stage when all countries consolidated in defense against hitler the onslaught of fascism is just an idea, a stage where some have illusions that it is possible to find some kind of solution by advancing through the countries of the aggressor's territories , some politicians in europe are at such a stage of understanding, and i will tell you that there is a huge risk that at this stage we can and remain from them points on the contrary, they want to leave. i see it this way, despite their consolidated position in society in support of ukraine with heavy weapons, despite the

fact that they are criticized politically, well, macron is less, which is more to the point, i would not reduce it to this the position is the same as that of scholz macron, there are still nuances, eh, caesar would have played it. they are currently working at the front, french and german heavy weapons are going to greece somewhere with greece or vice versa. there are friendly countries and a lot depends on interaction with them, so we still need to maintain this position in order for this coalition to be so strong that we do not think about this kind of compromises regarding the talks, well, historians know that the same not even a conversation it's just that there were whole deals with hitler, there were also munich, everything else where these countries surrendered, that is, i say that so far we are at such a stage, that's why

i think that everyone defends their own interests when it comes to conversations here, it would be dangerous if france and germany tried nato countries to somehow declare ourselves as intermediaries in order to get out of this position of maximum support for ukraine in the security sphere, and to declare that we are performing some intermediary functions there, because what does it mean in telephone conversations, well, in order to, let's say, continue the hot line from er and this should be done with the military over there in russia so that there are no senseless er decisions that will cause a catastrophe all over the world, then political conversations, well, this really surprises me for about 100 hours, if in these 100 hours at least no direct strikes were made about ukrainian cities, about ukrainian infrastructure , about ukrainian people, i could still understand something

about such an explanation, but while i'm talking to putin, ukrainians are not dying, but it's not the case, on the contrary, so it 's really necessary to hold some lines, but it's a pity that they are used for such some kind of general therapy for the leaders of russia and possibly for their own interests. because there is nothing so serious from the point of view of promoting the interests of the common interests of the anti-putin coalition, i don’t see them ending these conversations or, well, these conversations can continue if there are any significant successes in the exchange of prisoners there, the release of prisoners or humanitarian corridors, and this is also unfortunately not true, because from the driver's subjective point of view, they largely decide their personal and how they see the interests of their

countries, not the common interests of the eu, nato, or even more so ukraine, well, this means, valery, that after all, putin still has some kind of rever in order to keep the whole policy, so that the world leaders would reach out to him at some meetings. well, for example , at the meeting of the g20, indonesia. well, you know the paradox well, let's talk frankly, despite the isolation, which is, in principle, unprecedented isolation of russia, and the fact that lavrov was not allowed, this head of russian propagandists was not allowed to negotiate there or to visit serbia, that's... well, really just caused a flurry of emotions in moscow, but it is very important how it will be perceived in general in the world, that is, if it were not there and russia is making great efforts

to keep contacts that would demonstrate that the russians are isolated, well, first of all, it is the otkb - these are the countries that are afraid to be the next ones being in the same union with russia militarily, but in fact they are trying to protect themselves from the russian war with russia, that is, they surrendered their country in a different way, but india and china play such a role that it is difficult to say well, objectively, what is there? creams isolated over time we see that it becomes more and more obvious, but not to the end, so uh, yes, i will honestly say that all scenarios are possible, but at the same time, the investigation of crimes must be done now. i am sure that sooner or later these uh, well, they are criminals

there, they commanded crimes against humanity, war crimes, they will find their own, but when it happens, it will not be a year ago, now our key task is to keep this network of partners and consolidate them in the anti-putian coalition in the anti-kremlin coalition, and it will be to make it more and more difficult, you talk about how the world perceives and how the world did not allow the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation serhii lavrov to fly to serbia because, er, in fact , the sky in eastern europe was cleared for his plane. at the same time, a meeting of two ministers took place in ankara yesterday of foreign affairs of turkey and russia, and at this meeting it was about the export of ukrainian grain through ukrainian ports through the black sea of ​​ukraine, and ukraine was not

invited to this meeting, why do you think these conversations take place in the absence of our minister. well, there is a general moment and a specific one. if we talk about the specifics, the official position of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine has been expressed, but in principle some coordination is possible before such a meeting or after. ukraine, russia and turkey, well, now in the conditions when you see what is happening on the fronts, but if you look more broadly at the question itself, it is, of course, well, let's say strange, about ukrainian grain from the ukrainian territory, they decide two countries that, on the one hand, really now control the black sea in essence ah, well, we, ukraine, are also trying to

defend the coastal territories there and the entire war, but in this way, well, it creates from the pictures that it can be solved without the question of ukraine's ownership of its territory is a very dangerous thing, that's why i believe that such a path, which is now being considered, is categorically unacceptable for us. only two options are possible if we take our official position. the first is that there is a war and this aggression in the black sea is stopped by russian ships. withdrew, that is, they removed their mines there, they want russia with the help of turkey, let them remove their mines or themselves, but they removed them, they withdrew from this western part of the black sea in order for ships to come, the convoys should not be too many, let's say from certain european countries. they should ensure

the passage of ships in case of if there are any attempts to attack, respond with an attack, these attempts are russian. that is , this is the only way. if there is no such way, then the only way we have is to look for logistics overland by rail, although there are ports in romania and other ports reboot, but it still needs to be done now, because i see that international organizations of the un system are also using this whole story to put pressure on ukraine. i know such information that the same organizations that deal with food generally demand that ukraine cease fire. in order for the children of africa to be fed grain, first of all i will say that for the children of africa there is also grain from other countries today and we are suffering, first of all our children are suffering , and secondly, russia is obviously using all this for

in order to squeeze ukraine and destroy the economy, realizing that the blocking of ports and grain theft on such a scale is a blow to the ukrainian capacity for the ukrainian economy, that is, for me, everything is clear now, it is not in our favor, this situation must be radically corrected, and in this sense, the question must be raised in fact, before the council of the european union , what about security in the black sea in general, what will we do here, because there are countries of the european union and nato here, it is not only turkey, it is romania - it is bulgaria, that is, there are countries whose interests are serious here impact, and they are nato countries. well, of course, when they talk about the food crisis, about a possible food crisis, for example, in the same un, they say that the consequences of russia's war against

ukraine in the world will affect almost 2 billion people, well, a billion 600 million seems to be antonio the hotelier calls well there young people about food security and the crisis about energy about finances in a word this is quite such a large complex of problems that the whole world is facing and russia is now trying to blackmail the world with the food crisis possible famine and putin last week in an interview with a propaganda snake, he stated that what you were saying: remove the sanctions from us or the sanctions from belarus, he calmly transports grain to europe or to the world through, respectively, belarus and the baltic countries to the baltic sea, not this blackmail that is now is led by putin. why does he not become the subject of careful

discussion at the highest international level? it is clear that all the security systems that existed or the entire security system that existed until february 24, 2022 have changed, but the world if it is not always he thinks about ukraine. he ultimately has to think about himself. well, i can't say that this is not happening. well, just the other day, we were heard so uh, it's resonant when the story when the representative of uh, uh, rashists at the un jumped out of uh, a meeting ago that is, just a representative of the european union, or the european council. that is, you said a common position regarding the manipulation of what you said was the use of these issues of food supply

for the benefit of russia, that is, in principle, everything is clear, well , the problem is that the un as a structure is impotent which deals with security, they want their other structures to close the issue without stopping russia's war against ukraine, i.e. for us, this is a very important informational struggle, because if we turn the issue of russia's war against ukraine into the issue of overcoming certain crisis phenomena there, which arose precisely from of russian aggression and russian occupation of ukraine and solve them piecemeal while forgetting the key issue. for us, this will simply be a matter of study, because it will corrode this common position, and russia is doing this they not only work with lobbyists and information in order to find some loopholes in the

sanctions. by the way, in terms of sanctions, they are already sanctioned in this food sector, and that is, they have not been imposed these sanctions, that is, there are no problems here they want something else, they want the country to be unblocked there, and they stand here with their ships, that is, they stand here and they see it, the european union sees it, nato sees it all, but i 'm sorry, we saw a world, the world, the world is impotent when there is a nuclear country, well, countries now it's your turn to decide, so we have to hold the line, which, on the one hand, calmly and confidently explains that the best option for solving such problems is the deoccupation of ukrainian territories, where the blockade of the black sea ports is, and on the other hand , still, uh, well, he is working to make it happen

as soon as possible and it is obviously difficult. but we have partners who understand this problem better than some un officials, in particular, you are just now showing pictures where it was really discussed. i thank you for the position of our european partners of the americans and others in firmly holding such a line although it er affects them they also suffer them people suffer from price increases from these problems this must be understood they pay their price no matter how we talk about the fact that we pay a huge price in dead wounded er- is the destruction of the state, i mean the infrastructure, but they also pay the price , so our common task is to withstand the line of these consolidated countries and not those who will start to develop this joint approach, that is, the world is not one , unfortunately, the world is not one, there are shades and these are shades

increasingly gray, mr. valery, when we talk about the impotence or inability of the united nations organization to respond to the challenges that are currently in the world, we recall the events of 80 years ago, 75 years ago, when the league of nations was replaced by the un itself, is it time to talk about what there must be a new security structure in the world, and it may not even be under the auspices of some other organization, because what is happening now, in terms of its scale and the way it is unfolding, needs new security solutions not only in ukraine all over the world, well again, there is a desire, it is really desirable and necessary, we all saw that the un charter, in terms of guaranteeing

sovereign independent countries their territorial inviolability, it did not work in any way, everything is clearly written, by the way, there was a consensus even after the second world war, and this is how representatives appeared constantly of ukraine who are permanent members of the security council and if these articles are not fulfilled, then of course all structures that provide security must be reformed, but not just reformed , they must be or completely replaced that, first of all, this is a question in the presence of russia, which took this place from the soviet union without any votes in the and by the way, we officially stated this position in the un, that is, for us, it is just a platform today and the adviser does not decide anything there because russia the right to use it blocks everything and regarding er, well, that is, i don’t

see at all how it will continue to work and how the countries count on it as a meeting place for representatives of the countries of the world, the forum, yes , some humanitarian issues, maybe, but definitely not in the field there must be other mechanisms of security here, and without such a world policeman, no matter how much you can get by with a criminal in a wig, a gopnik who kills people , that is, the question is open, no one can solve it. so far, there are so many lies from these -e rashistov who er-e think they are still diplomats yes, how interesting about these walls, whose walls i was in principle and listened to various things during the war starting in 2014, but such lies,

such impudence, blackmailing. this has never happened in this organization, at least historically even i don't remember that the league of nations expelled the soviet union immediately after the start of the war, the soviet union started a war against independent finland, and the un did not even manage to deprive russia of a seat on the security council. that's why my assessment of this organizations are quite skeptical of what could be, well, now there are high hopes for this format, which we call rammstein, where there are under 50 countries that are powerful militarily and can supply weapons. this format saw on his development is now in principle developing and consolidating the country around which it is developing and ukraine, that is, i think that we need it from the point of view of

security somewhere in this country and on this format they gave the idea that there is one gopnik or rather two gopniks , now in the world it is putin and lukashenko lukashenko is a little smaller than putin, but he is obviously controlled by putin and over the past 100 days, we have seen how the territory of belarus was used for the attack of russian troops on ukrainian soil, now the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine is talking about the fact that belarus is trying to form or is training to form strike groups, these exercises in belarus will last until june 11, is the self-proclaimed president in belarus independent now, according to you, in deciding whether belarus will participate in the russian-ukrainian war and if belarus

joins by the armed forces of belarus before the war with ukraine, what will this mean for europe and the world, what should be the reaction, first of all, i wouldn't call lukashenko a different style , you shouldn't trust him because you remember him he showed the directions from which ukraine, according to his opinion, was going to attack studies in belarus , well, that is, lies, lies, but he, after all, having more and more dependence on putin from the kremlin, he is trying to protect himself as much as possible from such catastrophic consequences and it is clear that the pressure on him is huge, he didn't promise there, many

listen to him a little at some points, but all the same, the power structures of lukashenka will still be self-proclaimed, even though russia took some of them under its control even earlier, but where now they are going well, as far as i am informed, i see some purges there precisely in favor of the loyalty of the greater not to the kremlin, namely lukashenko, then in principle