our bodies should now do this in a very concentrated and public manner because there is a concrete fact of treason here, instead i will say that the sbu deals with veteran volunteers and is crumbling at the moment and the church of the moscow patriarchate, let's take turns so that wrote and stated that this is pure collaborationism, that is, he actually signed the document as a collaborator. i think that nowhere a collaborator is a traitor. it seems to me that this is a different article when we are treason because he swore an oath to the ukrainian people, this is another article, another the other punishment is a general state punishment precisely based on such wording, he was not actually expelled from our faction in april, and i will tell you that there is a criminal proceeding. since april, the question is before how quickly the law enforcement judicial system will be able to bring this case to a logical conviction before what they say here, everything is on the surface, the legislation is now such that

i personally would like to deal with it, let's speak directly, even demonstratively deal with the deprivation of the mandate of people like medvedchuk as collaborators kovalev, the legislation is such that the grounds for the deprivation of the mandate are spelled out clearly in such a way that there should be a malt verdict, that is, in fact, as of today, he has the right to vote on the theory, although he does not appear at the meetings, in my opinion, well, i didn't see him at least in the session hall. salary is a matter for the apparatus. there were also articles stating that if a people's deputy does not take part in voting, it is less than 70%. why are wages not being calculated now they have canceled it well, he recently received a defense apparatus that can answer the question, but in theory, from the point of view of

the law, he remains an active people's deputy until he has had a guilty verdict, in my opinion, it is necessary to change and expand these grounds somewhat. but as of today , medvedchuk and e- and kovalev remains a people's deputy, they do not directly participate in the meetings, you say one thing , the legislation is written like this, they cannot be deprived of unlock channels espresso marshmallow no we need no legislation, they took it and turned it off without any such thing, we cannot deprive traitors of their mandate and salary, which they themselves are saying in our country, the legislation is based on the constitution, which clearly lists the grounds for depriving a people's deputy of his mandate, if you asked me personally how i would definitely want it tomorrow took place but if we have to proceed as a legal state according to the procedures in accordance with the legislation, we have two ways or to edit this legislation and accordingly

expand these grounds are legal but legal they did not receive a reason for 8 years, the court of ideas still does not end, although the fact of treason was on the face for another eight, which in the case of kovalev, for example, it should be a demonstrative and quick process in accordance with the procedures, but there it seems to me that everything is unambiguous , everything is clear, who should answer for kovalova. well, he went under a specific political force. i believe that the party, the servant of the people, and volodymyr zelenskyi, under whose name anyone was elected, should be responsible. they were supported by president zelenskyi. as far as we know, after kumalokovalova, he was personally approved by kornienko, and now there is different information. right now, there is different information about who went there to whom and how much was offered. i think that the authorities should investigate this now, but i am worried about the long process that is taking place because kovalev is,

let's say, a textbook example of a traitor, and everything is so public, so everything is clear , so everything will come out. points, and our special services are pulling, and i am afraid that at that moment there will not be enough evidence or, god forbid, i will fight in kherson region and he will still be a great volunteer, will be a great provider of our ukrainian army, and then they will say that there were such difficult circumstances, let's not look for traitors and let's unite as they said what as they said about the propagandists on the broadcast of the unified news as minister tkachenko what he said let's unite we all have to work together i'm very afraid of this because in reality people who are also like that they drastically violated the law, they violated the law. they must answer and those who brought them to power

must also answer. unfortunately , none of these deputies, starting with the rapist who ended up in the ranks of the rapist, who ended up in the ranks of the people 's disobedience, have to answer. in march, already after the war, he was driving around rivne. on the fifth day of the war, he greeted from the debt, dear women. we congratulate you from march 8. there are no wounded, there are no doctors, there is no equipment, there are just as many deputies and public figures, but they burned the positions of the military, how many of our heads of administrations, they leaked information, in particular, about oil depots, about filled fuel storage facilities, and no one is responsible for this, unfortunately, this is very a nasty trend, aren't the russians specifically using it? obviously, they launched their tentacles long before the start of the war, so they evaluated

the constitutional political, in general, our all forces , aren't they using them or didn't they launch them as it's called a torpedo, so inside a great political force that entered er. well, kovalev is not the last to appear, because he manifested himself so demonstratively, we talked about the connection that i have with taras the cossack, kovalev's person . it is known even to the servant, it became unexpected in general, the political system, the type of the main political power of ukraine, pay attention, there was still a predominantly ukrainian-speaking audience on that channel, well, considering the content that the documents were produced there belonged to dmytro dobrodomov, then i understand that the purpose was to use this native-speaking audience in order to produce

certain narratives of a pro-russian nature under the sauce and flirting with ukrainian. no. is he, well, logically, if the owner is now suspected of treason, according to laboratoryism, such assets may be nationalized in the future, because in fact we are now talking about the nationalization of residents of the russian federation and not the citizens of ukraine but nevertheless, it seems to me that in such a case it is correct to raise the question of nationalization, including such an asset of the national security council, it did not harm whether citizens of ukraine or non-citizens of ukraine, the national security council threw some decisions right and left. but now everything is nationalized well, when they would have very clear accents to put. well, they tell there what uniform, who wore it, and whether our legislation is mature enough to respond to these challenges. well , because it seems to me that kovalev is not the last who will be

to manifest collaboration to betray you know this depends on the whole body of deputies and i would very much like the deputies not to take a break of three weeks as it is now yes and we still travel well, i don't know where they go because all my acquaintances everyone is engaged in volunteer activities or helps the army directly in other ways, but there was a huge list of draft laws that are already ready, which are ready to be adopted as a basis and in general, which ensure the security of the ukrainian state in various spheres starting with military issues and ending with humanitarian affairs and the economy, but well, for now , let's give three weeks for the balance, where are they going? well, we know where the leadership in upper greece is going right now, so that is, it is an official business trip - this position is demonstrably not allowed to come into play for the balance yesterday, your colleague by faction, he said that it was right that we should travel now on the eve of the two summits of the eu and nato, we should use

diplomatic documents as much as possible, and petro oleksiyovych also traveled and how he was released because i was all this time on the road let's me personally yaro slav is eager for our conversation he is already listening now we will see him virtual people's deputy of ukraine we have three people's deputies welcome you panislav of the city of kyiv yes continue then we will ask the twin have you finished yes please tell me please we started from what the president said yesterday, he declared in a video message that the entire economy must now come out of the shadows, must be legalized, must pay taxes or fight, that is, ukrainians must either fight or finance those who are for them he is also fighting in us in principle. well, there is no objection that we support him before that. well, i quoted the head of the adviser to the head of the president's office, timofii malanov, the former minister of economy, who said that we should all now work on

one goal, to maximize financial support, not to deal with anya's reforms . quarrels about taxes on anya, the accounting rate of anya in criticism of competitors, not her career, nothing for the task of maximizing financial flows. do you agree or well, it seems to me that there is a little disagreement in to the two statements of the head of state and the adviser to the head of his office, please let me explain very simply how international support comes in general, friends, if anyone thinks that they will give us money without reforms and uh with the calculation or even with the understanding that this money can play out therefore, it is quite optimistic and unrealistic, i explain why it is optimistic, i was recently at a forum on reconstruction, where the main donors also met in closed mode, and if any of the ukrainian officials had any hope that we

they will give money without saying that we will continue the reform, we will still appoint anti -corruption heads of information we will continue to reform the corporate management of state enterprises in only then we will receive money war cannot be although there is some kind of exception for not doing are the right and necessary steps that first of all keep money in the pockets of ukrainians and not in the pockets of certain officials, so once again we want it we don't want it timofey has the right to his own opinion, but it is somehow not affects the position of those who will give us money, and this is the european union, the united states and certain institutions related to them, this is us, the world bank, the imf, dbri, and so

on all i want is for us to have a field from the construction of my mariupol on some government orders, instead of rebuilding certain buildings, some new oligarch will appear there, who will have the company roga and a penny that will take 90% all those people you know about it maybe it's me, i heard that boris kolesnikov is already being prepared for the restoration of donbas, well, at least he really wants it. please tell me that their people 's deputies are already anabiosis, or how to say it correctly , and i think that even he has the power, like our home, ukraine seems to be called a political party if i am not mistaken, now i will find in him another political party, which he actively promoted before the war, so you think very badly of boris, as viktorovych seems to be. can you explain, you know the answer to the question about

why the winner of the contest for the election of the new chairman has not yet been announced on december 21. last year, oleksandr klymenko received 246 points . andriy sinyuk 229. what is the problem? everyone present, sofia and vasyl, to contact you and explain to us all what is happening with the competition for the head of sap, why in six months oleksandr klymenko has not been announced as a full-fledged winner why is he i haven't started work, please, because he will be planting a sparrow. and this is the new channel. well, what about yours? what's wrong with this lady kateryna koval, if everything is clear ? it passed by votes, it passed around psg itself. i remember who called them and saw it with their own eyes, friends, what is wrong with us

when we have well, we are constantly asked, there you talk about anti-corruption reforms. and why is there no one on the website, because we have here is this system in planting corrupt people. it works in three elements first, he is an anti-corruption court. he is relatively good. i think that we can say that the work is definitely satisfactory. the second is that there is no head for this. god, artem sytnyk, who coped well with his duties and is the third head of the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office, has never been in ukraine. that all these three institutions work at the same time and have their leaders honestly selected, and if that is the case, when, er, a few months ago, bank elements were appointed, i don’t know him personally, i’m telling you honestly, i don’t even know how does he look like in the photo, but i hear that he is from people who are engaged in anti-corruption, that he is a decent person. and i would like to believe that, and if

he was appointed, then these three institutes would be closed in our country, and what power and what did they really get in for the first time in the history of ukraine, it is not that the risk of adamoklo in the night above them that they can be imprisoned is absolutely well, two institutions are already headless and sap and nabu have been electing a leader while the powers of the nabu head have expired. among other things, i asked to be elected for two years. ukraine our house is the party of boris kolesnikov - this is a small clarification , not a political advertisement. mrs. koval will explain to you. yes, her name seems to be kateryna, so why aren't the results announced ? yaroslav has already answered this question, i agree with this, and you will say that it is obvious that the appointment of the sap head will be one of the

priority issues and conditions when we talk about help from our western partners in financial in the first place, and this is actually not the interest of western partners, it should be our interest, because if we really want our anti-corruption infrastructure to work, then all institutions must be capable, including those with legitimate heads, and the appointment has not been appointed. procrastination still connects with certain politics with certain personal things uh. and how will the newly appointed manager work effectively or not? we'll see in real cases. often and before you could say everything there, do you remember there, er, a pipe used to come in there? everything there, the anti-corruption activists even had such a proverb, the pipe worked effectively or not, opinions differ, yes, er, but they

engaged in political persecution, i ask, i say, that is, in fact, eh many good and quality people took office. but whether they showed it or not, time showed. i hope that whoever is applying now to head the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office will be an effective manager of this direction and that really now puts the fight against top corruption in dependence, because sap is just er, respectively, the specialization of assistance to nabu and the anti-corruption court, dependence on sap financial aid. a new potential leader so that he can be managed, because if he is not managed and he will act according to the law, then well, a good part of the ruling elite will also have to be asked, and where did you recruit, because, unfortunately, even

declarations ordinary declarations show some very interesting and not optimistic results for the ukrainian people the second important point what i really like is why there is no head appointed specifically not at the time not at the time the war and why are the channels turned off because at the time at the time at the time i.e. that that it is unprofitable, it is not on time, that we need to clear the field of the noise of the war, let's say, it is all on the run, once and twice, and it is on time, and something needs to be done there . after all, today we are fighting not just against moscow’s aggression, but we are fighting for the most sufficient independent legal ukrainian state, and if under the noise of the war and our struggle someone tries to build a mutual dictatorship over ukrainians, well, this is clearly not what the ukrainian people aspire for today military volunteers, all caring people should unite not

only to help the front, but also in order for our state to be, let's say, democratic, legal and integral. what happened, namely the national bank this week, which at the beginning of the war bought the government's military bonds worth up to 70 billion hryvnias, what does this mean? well, there they write that this is a record and mission of the hryvnia, in simple words, what does it mean, what did the government do, and what will be the result or the consequences are very simplified, i will explain that the national bank printed 70 billion in total at the beginning of the war, the national bank printed 190 billion, well, it cannot be called directly, friend. we would be with you because we lack

external support. well, in principle, we cannot establish a budget and this will affect the hryvnia exchange rate. why did this happen? i explained again. we spend 250 billion a month, the last time we earn 80 billion did they receive billions of foreign aid? the difference is 140 billion. it is being broken through now due to the typical issue of the hidden family. why did this happen? you had a brilliant time when i joined . a long time ago, including the one that arose in the parliament. if we continue to gather to vote for some kind of populism games, friends, we will not be able to stand the financial and other things, then we will vote for some kind of stupidity for the dismissed mobile phones. we are surprised that we do not have enough money and we are not given international partners. i believe that we need to

screw up populism crackling during the war, this does not mean raising taxes, we have taxes right now normally, we have a balanced position and we must leave all these benefits. it just works and brings money, but still, we must somehow not forget that there is a war going on in our country, and we must meet in the parliament only when we need to adopt some correct things. for example, those reforms that they are asking us for changes that the international partners will ask of us, what we gathered, we accepted on time, not on time, as a transitional norm, that it will enter after the war, we came to them and said, look, we did our homework, we didn't 140 billion is enough, you only gave us a billion, let’s give at least 2-3 billion and then there will be a conversation . and when the ukrainian parliament at the beginning of the war, in order for some politicians to go on camera, at least once caught a bunch of populism. well,

then we got such a situation, so what ? this means that inflation will soon continue to grow in our country. today, the world bank is expanding. inflation in our country should be 20% of the gdp for the year. according to the forecasts of the world bank, -45% is catastrophic. i would like to remind you that the minimum pension in our country today is 293 hryvnias dear mps and you haven't forgotten about it, i'm sorry. in the last uh, today, the data of the national bank of 18 million people, the products are already there, if you remembered it, 23.5%. and uh well, it will only grow because the exchange rate will grow, that's why this is the question. well, how can people get a pension of 2,000 if our products increased by a quarter at the beginning of the year? please explain to me, i'm not sorry if we continue to do business in the meantime we are doing now, we will not get it if we

include a little in the city and understand what we need now screwing up populism and doing the right thing, well , once again, no one will give you money to the country if you don't have the heads of anti-corruption bodies. well, you would give a big loan to a person who you know can put this money somewhere, you want to be sure that this money will really go to needs. therefore, you need to do the right thing and forget about this forever and together with populism . then you will also have a pension. large payments of the vpu 6,500 that were promised to them are support, those who applied after march 25 have still not been paid a about that and two things thousands i understand that no one has received the promised for you at all, well, we need to return to pre-war taxation well, maybe they are still looking for where to get the money, and what does it mean to the pre-war level of

taxes, what will it mean for business it will remain exactly the same taxes as they are now, friends, we made two percent during the war, they will remain and this is not a bad story, it helps business, we will collect taxes in a different way, we made benefits for those who cannot pay them, well, really, now the war is in someone's company in mariupol on a conditional basis will not pay you taxes, as a person from mariupol i can tell you this for sure and these benefits will remain and such and such, we have exempted small entrepreneurs from the eus. again, no one will return it, there is no sense, now the only issue left is import taxation and here there is a consensus, precisely because of business, that it is necessary to return everything, no one will raise taxes, there is no need to look at some statements of the minister of finance, they are sorry, i will say very directly, they are not being done for you, they are doing it for a foreign audience which should put pressure on its politicians to

give more money in ukraine, explain why sometimes he says such things there, it is conditional for the sake of iconoclasticity, the audience there is not ukrainian, with all due respect to our citizens, so when you hear that taxes will be raised in ukraine, nothing will happen, they will not be raised again it will remain as it is, you can pay, pay, you can't pay, well, we all understand that the war is someone's ax after you, i won't be guarded with checks, where exactly thanks vasyl and sofia, i understand that ukrainians can forget about social benefits for the time being, well at least about 2,000 for idps, and there are 6,500. some people did not receive, well, this is not yet achieved with yaroslav , that it is necessary to reduce all the populist promises of the statement and, well, stories about how everything will be returned to everyone, how everything will be compensated for everyone, unfortunately, it will not be that simple, but the question is that for us there is a question of a mandate that these payments be basic pensions, benefits that were arbitrary, that they

be paid because, unfortunately, there are separate applications. these are the applications that if they don't give us funds, we won't have anything to pay the pension. and here is the question a for what people will generally live and survive, and in this context it is interesting to simply inform that the salaries of officials have been reduced by only 10%. well, the mps were cut. and you doubled the salaries of the mps. to a certain extent, we agree with this, because it cannot be otherwise. we all have to cut ourselves off somewhere, but why do officials only have a 10% cut? we have these salaries of uah 300-400,000 a month again. we have a question, once again we return to the important matter of whether it is simply in the taxation of imports or not taxation is a problem. the problem is to start the economy of ukraine in us. almost all military-industrial enterprises are large enterprises, agricultural and metallurgical enterprises. they are not working. and what can the state offer today to

make them work? and very fast and very effective, because without starting the economy, it will be very, very difficult for the state to survive . in the conditions of a serious deficit, which we talked about, the first is to ensure the military needs of national security, and the second is to ensure the payment of socially protected articles and... in this case... social standards, this is detinization and the launch of the economy, these are interrelated things, including the deficit, as you and i once again said, it is impossible now without external borrowing under certain conditions, once again, no one directly gives uncontrolled funds to the budget

it won't be, uh, i think they understand. at the same time, i want to say that now, in fact, in the near future, the parliament will face the question of voting on the draft law of the cabinet, precisely on the return of import taxation, that is, business. i understand that yaroslav confirms this compromise option, so we must tell the citizens it is planned to return e-e customs cars vve from july 1 well, let's speak objectively so that citizens also understand what awaits them and i have a question , that is, on the one hand, we take a step and cancel these customs duties, so a certain part of our citizens took advantage of this, the revenues to the

budget fell catastrophically. do you want to support your business, give it uh cheap credit resources and give them the legislation became the rules, we give cheap credit resources by increasing the discount rate of 25% by 2.5 times one moment the first glance seems to be uh clear, understandable recommendations and they are logical, yes, on the other hand, at the level of state policy, we see some issues. i cannot now professionally and competently state here whether this is correct or not. because i am not an economist. but nevertheless, i would like , including from the cabinet of some kind of well-thought-out medium-term planning and the prospect of a 25% discount rate - this encourages our business rose in the conditions. there were many ambassadors of our partner

countries in borodyanka . construction and also please pour my money here and we will complete the roads. sofia fedina, people's deputy of ukraine, vasyl mokan, people's deputy of ukraine, yaroslav zheleznyak, also, people's deputy of ukraine , were our guests. the discussion was very meaningful at this hour. thank you for staying with espresso and supporting ukrainian view of the world further news with iryna koval yehor checherina for god's sake we have been with you for the past five hours and now 10 minutes to the minute from iryna koval and good day once again i say to you congratulations colleagues literally in a moment i will tell you about all the events that are happening in ukraine and in the world