for economic doctors on the front lines, you can do it search igor firsov publishes these needs and now i would like to ask you about one more point, we know that the russian army also constantly resorts to the kidnapping of medics, the kidnapping of a couple of medics, well, on our broadcast, even andrii and i talked about cases when ukrainian medics were kidnapped and put in the e-e together with the units that go in the first line in the offensive against the armed forces of ukraine, they are forced to accompany these russian occupation forces. well, even to the point that some of our paramedics, including well-known ones , are being held captive for a long time, as it happened with yulia taira paevska, who is a volunteer and paramedic who saved the lives of ukrainian soldiers in donbas for 8 years and during the last days, when she was in communication, actually saved

civilian women in mariupol she saved the lives of children from zavaliy, what is known about taira? she was held captive for 85 days. is it known that she is definitely alive and what information does she have about her colleague? what is known to me? stanislav osiyev, a well-known journalist, was brought out of captivity in the dpr, and ihor anatoliyovych kozlovsky, a well-known scientist, who also served time in isolation, what can i say from my own experience? yes, and my personal thoughts. it's crazy that she was selling children for organs and all the rest. well, what can you expect from propaganda channels? and the most important thing is that she is alive and what is shown on federal channels, i think it's very good.

this is what they do on purpose, so the enemy. i mean, then, uh, give it to an exchange, is it possible to write some information about it, distribute it for sure. about her life about her path about her values ​​about and possible theoretical and finding when was the last time she got in touch now it's important it saves her life and it speeds up the exchange time and i think i believe in it that we will see each other in ukraine what everything will be fine, but uh, we have to fight for her for how long, no one knows, maybe for a long time, maybe months, maybe even years, but we need to spread the information, we must not forget this topic, forget it, and we must constantly raise this, this,

this problem, thank you, thank you, yehor firsov, military medic from the avdiiv direction, he was in touch with us via skype. thank you, sir, and the mountains. take care of yourself and the lives of our soldiers, an incredible story, in fact, as a lawyer and a people's deputy of two convocations, he ended up on the front line and works there as a paramedic in fact, this is the first inclusion that i have seen in all this time of egor firsov on our broadcast, er, well, that's how people just do their work, do what they can do today, regardless of their previous activities. it is important, absolutely, really, how to say, i have known and remembered igor for a long time, and what can you say, they really say that the best people are now, they are there, they are at the front

, they are like that, it always happens, it always happens, this is a war , in fact, a war for independence, respectively the best are those who feel the need to defend this country. today, they are doing exactly that with weapons in their hands, and we, the ones who are left, provide them with an information rear and speak, in fact, we try to tell the truth when, although this is also very difficult, as you understand at this moment, but this war for the truth, and it is important that the truth be heard, that the whole truth be heard, that the whole truth be heard, in spite of everything, in spite of all fears, because the truth always wins, that's the point. well, while we are working on the information front, there is also the diplomatic front, where now there is also a war of its own, the war for ukraine, and the war is quite complicated, and it is actually

a decisive battle for us, a battle that will continue for at least another 7 days. in a conversation with the head of the danish foreign ministry, ye kofed said that ukraine expects to receive the well-deserved status of a candidate for eu membership. he says that ukraine deserves it. by the way, he thanked the data for supporting ukraine, and in particular for the harpoon missiles. let us remind you that the information appeared today. bloomberg published data that there are specific countries, some of which are against, and some of which have a number of conditions for ukraine, ah, regarding its full status as a candidate, not a candidate for candidates, but a candidate for membership in nato, which gives us financial preferences and so on. well

, it was actually reported that it was denmark and sweden that invested a lot of effort in the ukrainian reform, particularly in the anti-corruption segment, and want to set certain conditions in this area for the next step of the eu. u.s i, for example, think that it is difficult, in fact, you can't say it in a few words, you really need to talk about it with experts, but do we already have the next guest oleksandr kraev, an expert of the council of foreign policy of ukraine, prism has just appeared and we are already very i am glad to welcome you, mr. oleksandr. good afternoon. actually, i have a very difficult question for me. if i had to formulate it, what should i do? let's put it this way, on the one hand, we understand thanks to those people who are all

watching this, the same serhiy sydorenko. example on ukrainian pravda again, he wrote a great one. we feel the importance of the moment. to what extent do we need to have this status of a full-fledged candidate? on the other hand, how should we treat the fact that there are countries that, at this stage, believe that ukraine is not ready, such as denmark, such as the netherlands? it seems to me that i would i linked it, if i may allow, to yesterday's speech by president zelensky, where he announced that ukraine will be a country where there will be no shadow economy at all. in this sense, i also remembered mr. rozhkovan's recent blog of the executive and director of the imf in ukraine, who said that there is such a triangle, one of the three corners of which is a basic understanding of the economy. the basic understanding of the economy gives us an understanding that

, in principle, the same shadow economy exists wherever there is an economy, even in great britain it seems that 10% of gdp is estimated in the shadow, and in denmark it is somewhere around seven percent, the last figures in the netherlands were somewhere around the same. these are one of the best in the european union, where the lowest indicators of the tuning economy but is there an awareness of the fact that the shadow economy is not where the nuts are tightened, this is where there is more state and control, or where there is more beating on the hands. and this is where the truth actually exists. that is , where people actually lie less because they are actually when we simply do not say something, for example, we do not declare taxes or for example, we do not explain why exactly such a decision happened in the government, it is also a part of this shadow system, do you understand what about which which about what things i think about now when i hear about denmark and the netherlands, which is just the

least of this i would already think about whether ukrainian government now he will formulate a question in the last seven days , he will finally be able to do something so that it would be a good signal for such countries as sweden, denmark , and the netherlands, which doubt that ukraine should be in the european union. to be honest, it is difficult to say because these countries are among those who make claims against us political motives, most often they just put forward claims that are absolutely systemic , that is, in many ways they could react to this statement, but let's say for a week the same dutch people, in principle, they consistently supported us in this our aspiration in our european aspirations and now the official reason for their such reservations is precisely that they see the need for systemic reforms, systemic transformations, and no matter what . but really reforms. despite all the difficulties and difficulties, they want to see

the prospect of our economic system judicial, political, whether to meet the very copenhagen criteria that the system of every european country must meet, because the best we can do is to show our vision of reforms show you see that it will not stop conditionally, as it was, let's say on june 10, 2022. that's how it will stop because we were promised candidate status, the best we can do is show this continuity, show what we ourselves understand, where we need to work on what exactly it is necessary to finalize and in this way show that we will continue to move in this direction because, i will repeat once again, these are not the countries that put sticks in our wheels well, simply because it is not conditional there hungary well, actually, how then are we with them convince at the last moment, let's start

with the netherlands and denmark, because i got a little confused, i was talking about what bloomberg wrote about denmark, sweden , bloomberg actually wrote about the netherlands and denmark, and in the article of our colleague serhiy skravenko, it was about sweden. let's start with the netherlands and denmark, as bloomberg writes, they worked on reforms in ukraine and, uh, they feel that ukraine does not sufficiently meet the criteria possibly related to the stability of institutions that guarantee democracy, the rule of law and kyiv we need to improve our legal and institutional framework in order to make progress, we have to show our readiness in the next 7 days, or should these be some kind of written e there obligations, that is, how can this dialogue be resolved now and how could it look like if these guarantees which ukraine will provide at the request of these countries. or is it simply that they are saying

that they are not ready to vote for e in principle, that is, they are proposing to delay the process, what does it look like, how will cooperation and dialogue take place during the next week here, in fact, you can play with it, because we see that now all the old formats of cooperation, all the old bureaucratic ones, if we are talking about the eu, it is primarily bureaucratic procedures that have come to naught, we understand that now ukraine is in front of a window of opportunity when exactly we can set the tone and negotiations we can show how this system will work in a new way, and that's why, answering your question , we can do what we can do, that is, conditionally, whether it will be written guarantees, it can to be a written guarantee conditionally, at one time when negotiations were still being held on a new strategic kharkiv with the americans, if i am not mistaken, at that time it

was the beginning of september. last year, we pre part of the pro-reform, and it was not sufficiently expanded in order to, well, conditionally speaking, include all the questions of all the interested parties who might be in the allies, so why should we have such a transformation plan with certain written really are obliged to present now that conditionally. yes, we understand the problems of the war, the recovery of the economy and so on, but we have a strategic vision, we understand that once again we will move and how we will move, firstly, secondly, this is really the economic side of the issue . rightly mentioned that these countries really worked on reforms in ukraine without specific experts on these reforms and have been working on them for a very long time, even if we take sweden here, it is undoubtedly one of our biggest donors in the context of recent reforms

nine years and because we have to show, we have to say that the money has not gone anywhere and all further cooperation will not be simply that ukraine takes and uses other people's money just simply to use it, if it went to our macro-financial assistance fund, we really we have to show that this money results in an absolutely measurable and demonstrable result, and even if we are talking about a political decision to give us candidate membership, or a candidate plan, and in principle, this will be a political decision, then we approach politically, we cannot give a full-fledged result to him in 7 days. well, it is physically impossible. well, we will give a political strategy to it, we will give it a vision, we will give a concept, we will give certain stages of how we will process it, that is, the language of pumping. we need to be more flexible, and on this flexibility, now try to show these countries what the result will be because you correctly

asked the question, is it us or is it they who are doubting or is it they who are simply against, in fact it is doubt and doubt, as i said, it is sufficiently well-argued, a little different history, if indeed denmark and sweden were engaged in reforms, but simply have their own history of this issue. we remember when the senate of the netherlands approved the ratification of the association agreement with ukraine by two-thirds of the votes in the 16th year and handed it over to a referendum in which the citizens of hai and e. there was a minimum turnout of a little more than 30% of citizens showed up for this referendum, but the associations for ukraine were blocked, accordingly, the dutch government made this decision and this consensus for ukraine at its own risk, guaranteeing then its own society that ukraine would not become a full-fledged member of the european union, how to deal with this, that is, how to get

out of this situation, uh, in the same way that was in power then and remains now the prime minister of the netherlands. just look at what i'm getting out of here. month, what do we have? and what do we have? we don't have the appointment of a prosecutor. well, that is, there is nothing. well, i don't know what should happen. i don't know what a nuclear strike is. you know, that's what pushed the guy. let's do it like that the internal situation with the netherlands looks like how they will get out of this situation and what andrii says and what should be the next steps of ukraine in the near future denisov's resignation followed by disconnection with the broadcast of three channels without any explanation the story is quite shameful with poroshenko who was not allowed to receive an official invitation these are all also signals that, well, we cannot now show something in the economy, what i am leading to, well

, show that we are definitely standing firmly on democratic foundations, well, this is about something else that is completely bad signals please, in fact, if we are talking about the netherlands, this referendum is mostly not mentioned there, that is, the internal kitchen of the netherlands, well , they digested its results, and then well, it should be noted that from our side, there was a rather successful information campaign about who and how raised the mood in that referendum, and in fact it was then that a large investigation began in the netherlands regarding the influence russian media and russian oligarchic media holdings have on the media in the netherlands itself, that is, one way or another, but with this, we will not be angry, there will be no special problem , that is, there will be no question of how to sell to the dutch, relatively speaking, the decision of the netherlands to ultimately support the status of a candidate for ukraine, firstly, and secondly, with regard to the political

component, that's right the appointment of the head of the sap if it were now possible and i simply do not see the potential of the current government to appoint the head of the sap now well, unfortunately, i just don't see it because if under more favorable conditions they did not do it now, you can see that you will constantly coming together on the topic is not at the right time not at the time not at the time not at the time and this will continue and in the future it also applies to many other issues, that is, what should happen. it seems to me that this is exactly the position of the netherlands and denmark just a week before potentially granting us status candidates and should happen in principle, this is such a foul of the last hope as in football that if it saves the situation and you can not i don't know what

will force that is, if you do not completely share the optimism of the vice-prime minister, which of the european integration, stefanishyna, who expresses confidence that on june 24, none of the eu leaders will be able to say no to ukraine, the situation still remains uncertain at the moment, that is, in ukraine, it is necessary to work and demonstrate one's readiness to receive this candidate status, and this is a question of the coming days, a question that needs to be dealt with right now and demonstrate this readiness, in fact, this is what we need every day everything give more information just really form a full-fledged information narrative that yes, we hear your concern, we understand why you are now saying that, relatively speaking, we are not ready to be a candidate and we are correcting it, look, we started it, we did it, we did it, this is a crisis the issue of conditional appointment itself is also painful, very painful thing, we are at such and such a stage right now, and by the time of the summit, for example, we

will have time to appoint or announce a new competition, that is, we should not just hope that everyone will also will understand the importance of the moment, because after all, the european union, despite all its flexibility , which they are developing, all show that values, that certain parameters that must be met well, they must adhere to it regardless of what else, that is why we need to show the result thank you, mr. oleksandr oleksandr krayev, expert of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prisma was in touch with us, we didn't have enough time, we still wanted to talk a little, so what will mr. oleksandr say now? and i once read a little about this about the ball, passing alcoholics is an interesting publication and er experience. by the way, it’s just my family, er, not mine personally, nevertheless, well , that is, there are a lot of such people, it’s just a problem. what’s wrong with the children of alcoholics? a huge trauma from childhood and they, for example

, all the time, they very often have the position that you are all to blame for me. and this is what i see. since childhood there are and then all the time that's all they show that we all owe something. for example, when i see this from the foreign policy department or from its head or from the head of state, this constant, this constant rhetoric, we are all to blame. because the homework really wasn't done and not done because someone wanted to earn by chance there are no hungarian roots you remind me of the speakers of the hungarian parliament who said these ukrainians it seems that they think that everyone is to blame for them, i'm joking of course a little over this co-presenter, although you can see that he does not share my sense of humor. well, in fact, we are all a little bit to blame, we are now defending if

european values, the values ​​of a collective event, but this does not relieve us of responsibility for our homework and if we do not show now what we are capable of to fulfill the independence of their own country at the moment, ukraine would fight regardless of whether it has any relation to the war, for example, i don't know that russia will not attack estonia, or the estonians will be more grateful to us, that's understandable that they are also under the risk of attack, but they are again under the umbrella of nato well, why is it all about losing a historic chance ulyana park, a member of the lviv city council, who is currently in sweden for international meetings, contact us ulyana congratulations, good day you are currently in sweden, please share your observations of how local leaders perceive ukraine, uh, the russian-ukrainian war , well, we just discussed the news about a number of states that are currently expressing doubts about the expediency of ukraine obtaining the status of a candidate

for membership in the eu, sweden joined in. what are your observations, why might sweden be against our candidacy? what is being said about it on the platforms where you are now? now we are discussing it with you, it is not official, and when i spoke today with representatives of various organizations, not politicians, but ordinary residents of sweden, they were shocked , they say how come sweden does not support ukraine no this cannot be. they started watching their news and there is no information in their news that they do not support the status of a candidate for ukraine, moreover, they expect openness from their politicians and now is a very interesting period in sweden because in a few months there will be elections here and indeed, if there is such

rhetoric regarding ukraine, if there is a word no for ukraine, then the citizens of sweden will not accept it and it is very risky for the politicians of sweden now, because in fact the support for ukraine is extremely high that is why i am convinced that these are certain such reservations. preliminary discussions are possible at the end of june, august, june. i apologize. sweden supports us and we get this opportunity to become a candidate for the european union. also , who are we meeting with? we met yesterday with two parliamentarians and with the social democratic party, this is the party that represents the majority in the swedish parliament, and they speak very carefully about russian aggression about the war in ukraine, they are

really very careful about these issues when we they said that nato was also decided by the social democrats quite recently, because even at the beginning of march there is an armenian prime minister and the leader of the social democrats, magdalena anderson, she was against joining nato, and we we have to understand that sweden has a very long way to go, they are proud of the fact that their country has not been at war for about 200 years and for them joining nato is a very difficult decision. to ukraine and started this terrible war. therefore, now

the social democrats, as well as the majority of swedes, support joining nato, and they believe that these obstacles that exist in certain countries of the european union and in certain nato countries, we are talking about turkey, will be removed as much as possible with the help of friendly communications and cooperation agreements, therefore the position of the parliament, the position of the citizens is clear, they support the ukrainians, moreover, there is a huge support for immigrants from ukraine, because sweden has a very high level of wealth and they they have such a positive bureaucracy where all institutions work like clockwork, ukrainians can get housing, work, education, medical care, and transportation for ukrainians, for example, in stockholm , it is free, you can also visit the museum, various other institutions, swedes are very

proud of their education and also provide the opportunity for ukrainian children to study in swedish schools, i am here on a visit at the invitation of the swedish international center for local democracy and we are here working on media knowledge of local democracy in to ukraine with the support of local councils of local leaders, as well as to establish a connection with municipalities, that is, to cooperate with the swedish manipusi politet together with the ukrainian ones, and also raise the issue that our parliamentarians have such joint projects so that the exchange of experience and cooperation takes place at the level of the parliament. i am also very interested to meet with public organizations that help ukraine, so far i haven't managed to do this yet, but i hope to meet with those people who help in the near future

ukrainians, what's up mrs. ulyana? thank you very much. we hope that you have everything you planned. and you will have a fruitful program of these events. ulyana park is a member of the lviv city council who is currently in sweden. in particular, ulyana pak recently managed to get a grant from a german foundation, which will last three months. within the framework of this project , a number of activities are held. for the children of immigrants , it is also extremely important this chess school and sports games ms. ulyana, if you are still with us at contact, tell me where i can find information and the schedule of these events of outdoor movie screenings for children in lviv and so on. i thank you very much for helping us to spread

information and for as many children as possible, first of all, as well as families who moved to lviv uh, could you take part in our events? yes, uh, we uh, we carry out these events from the public organization all-ukrainian democratic forum, and you can get this information on the facebook page. we also have pages in telegram, our project is called shelter friendly lviv and there is information about all our events, as well as a chess school, a summer chess school in telegram, we have our own group there, even a teacher-coach gives tasks to children, we hold six events a week, this is twice a chess school, twice sports events once a week, there are various master classes and tea parties, as well as open -air movies, in fact, when we hold them in the park, these movie screenings are attended by a lot of people just

walking around, not only those who subscribed under our mailing list or have received an invitation. we are simply very happy that many people come to us for the following events one after another, and it is really nice that children who have moved to lviv or they are starting to find friends here, they communicate because a huge part of the attention of our project is precisely the integration of the children who came and communication with lviv residents, so we are very happy to be able to do this project because it actually inspires when we share ulyana , a member of the lviv city council, was in touch with us and by direct inclusion from sweden, but now we will break for news, our colleague anzhelika sezonenko is ready to present