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21:00. and today we will have an unusual news release, and first of all, i will say that today is the 107th day of this great exhausting, but in the long run definitely victorious for us war, because no one has been able to win the people yet, so you can seize something, then we will take it back, so you can cause a lot of pain and suffering, but you will not be able to win the people , especially the ukrainian people who continue this war , and literally from minute to minute we will start kyiv security forum very important topics will be discussed and very interesting professional guest experts will take part in this forum. therefore , olena kondratyuk will be the deputy speaker of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. olga stefanishyna will be the deputy prime minister with the european and euroat actually integration. she was administrative, now the head of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on issues

of ukraine's integration into the european union arseniy yatsenyuk, prime minister of ukraine in the 14th in the 16th year, he will participate in this discussion, there will also be nine chairs, he is a senior analyst of the security center, european values, let's listen to him also danylo lubkivskyi, director of the kyiv security forum, the topics that will be discussed today are really important and it is worth hearing the analysis on these topics and discussions on these topics from people who definitely know more from people who are professionals who understand this topic and these are such questions, a very relevant question now is that ukraine will receive the status of a candidate for study abroad in june, well, there are others there you will hear so, just now, the kyiv security forum and then we will return to our airwaves. we are watching, dear viewers. my name is

danylo lukivskyi. i am glad to welcome you on behalf of the kyiv security forum today. we continue the war cycle of our discussions, which we call the struggle for ukraine. - on june 24, a meeting of the european council will be held. this is the highest political body of the european union, to which the heads of state and government of all eu members belong. at this meeting , the issue of granting ukraine the status will be discussed. e.e. candidate for joining the european union, this issue is of course of fundamental importance for ukraine and this goal is very difficult, will ukraine receive the status of a candidate for membership in the european union in june, e.e. who supports ukraine, which forces, for what reasons, are cautious about accelerated integration. what homework should

ukraine do and, in principle, how do we see our immediate and medium-term prospects in relations with the european union? we will discuss these issues today with our respected participants and guests of ivanka klymkostinzavdze very, very coolly said once that the european integration of ukraine has a female face and it is indeed so and it is a great honor and pleasure for me to introduce our participants, first of all ms. olena kondratyuk, deputy speaker of the verkhovna rada thank you for your knew olha stefanyshyn , deputy prime minister of ukraine from the european and euro-atlantic inter-faction thank you for joining this conversation, i saw and know that you are on the way, so thank you very much for what you today, ivanna klympush, former vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration, and today

the head of the verkhovna rada of ukraine's committee on the main issue of ukraine's accession to the eu, are taking part in our discussion today . czech friend and brother david stulik is a senior analyst at the center for european values, the center for european values ​​in prague and a long-time spokesman for the european union mission in kyiv, and arseniy yatsenyuk , former prime minister of ukraine and head ladies and gentlemen of the kyiv security forum thank you for your participation and i will immediately start with a question to olga stefanishyna, they say and this is what the press says that the european commission should present an opinion on ukraine's application for membership somewhere around june 17, based on this opinion, the

european council and not formally named themselves from the european union will make its decision there must be a unanimous consent of all 20-seven states of the members of the european union, many states have declared their support, others are waiting for a formal conclusion of the european commission. for example, serhiy sydorenko, a well-known ukrainian journalist, writes that there is still no official decision, only half- breeds and hints of odenstaimovism. there are still no remaining and even new countries that are waiting for steps from the ukrainian side and are ready to say yes to ukraine only on condition under certain conditions, serhii sydorenko is now saying that the decision of the european union is historic for us depends primarily on ukraine and the readiness of all the authorities to realize that it is not too late, this is the accent, olga, what has the government done of ukraine for this possible and difficult goal, and how do you

assess the situation? your word, danylo. thank you for the question. i think that everyone in our information field and civil society and among the people are actively monitoring it. and you know that now the parliament and the government and the president's office and civil society the expert environment actively communicates with european capitals in the direction of e-e mobilization of support for e-e receiving on june 24 a decision on candidate status i think that we did as the government and the president in the first in turn, a very important decision in order to achieve this goal. we set this goal as such. that is, it is an application for membership in itself, and it is also work with the capitals that was carried out before and within the framework of versailles itself, which officially began the process of joining the eu is the preparation of

the conclusion of the european commission, and ukraine's position is already clear that we should consider the decision exclusively on the status of the candidate, i can confirm already based on the results of my meetings in brussels that this is not an obvious decision for european colleagues and in including for the european commission, there are still many discussions going on about the fact that the candidate status is one of the stages. now we need to give a european perspective, that is, if the decision that we should get the status of a candidate for membership in the european union, this expectation was also formed by ukraine and it is connected not least with the fact that we have already witnessed many political promises, including the promise to become a member of nato, the promises of the memorandum of the budapest yes, which, as it turned out later in 2014, had no legal force

that's why we learned our lessons and more than that arseniy petrovych i remember very well how we signed the association agreement and today some countries since we did not have any formal status, we did not apply for membership, we did not demand the status of a candidate formally, some countries pretend that we did not exist for eight years and we did not fulfill the association agreement for 8 years, that is, they associate this country with the country since before yanukovych , and that is why it is important for us that ukraine obtains a legal status, passes a legal assessment and i have already started all the rest of the processes, i can confirm several very important things. at the moment, firstly, i am sure that none of the 27 countries of the european union will say no to ukraine today, and what's more, the european commission's assessment, which will be published on the 17th of the 17th number, she

must also vote with the college of the european commission. i am sure that there will be an overwhelming majority of votes in support of the decision of the conclusion of the european commission, it is already ready, today there are discussions about the final version and its version, but the document as a whole has already been formed, and it is very important that today, in the conditions of war, we have demonstrated compliance with the copenhagen criteria to the extent that it does not even need an assessment or formal formal conclusions , because in the conditions of war, we have a fully functional verkhovna rada, a fully functioning government, all local self-government bodies the financial banking sector is one of the criteria for compliance with the copenhagen criteria and the copenhagen criteria as well. we continue to fulfill for example, the law on the reform of the supreme council of justice

. without postponing these processes, many conclusions have already been made and are clear without an official document. at the same time, today there are several skeptical countries that are trying to postpone the adoption of this decision for various reasons . to name some main ones, not the main ones , they are in principle several equal. it is either some prerequisites that should be presented to ukraine or the desire to throw ukraine into the basket in general by all countries on the european continent, yes or delaying this discussion or the general lack of political will to make a decision, because it is much easier to say no to ukraine than to take political responsibility and say yes to ukraine , but i am positive for several reasons . first, i am sure and i can confirm that the decision

will be made directly. on the 24th, that is, it will not be a pre-prepared decision that we will not know about, this is important because it will be the individual political responsibility of each leader, secondly, i think that this is also very important, in fact, in every part of europe today there are leading countries that will proactively promote the decision to grant ukraine candidate status. that is, it is not only eastern european countries, not the baltic countries, as it was before , today it is also the prime minister of italy that which takes a positive position in relation to ukraine, it is proactive and he will defend it, we know that he will, relatively speaking, drown for ukraine on the 24th, it is also unexpected, this is ireland, a country that now played a decisive significance in the acceptance into the ranks of the european union or

not after the fall of the berlin wall, everyone remembers this historical role and today ireland sees its historical role precisely in the adoption of such a decision for ukraine, that is, today we can talk about a certain predominance of eastern european countries. we can't even because there are leaders in every part of europe that will support us, so we understand that the process is complicated, and not all eu leaders are ready to make this decision, but we understand that there will also be a large number of countries that are not ready to be will leave the negotiation room without this decision, that's why i can't say that the forecasts are optimistic , because i won't be able to comment on any decisions until the last moment, but i know that we did a lot so that this is a historic chance not to be lost and to inform the 27 leaders that this a historical chance

that they should use and a historical mistake that they should not commit to you eh and thank you very much for such an extensive and comprehensive picture eh we all see that the government of ukraine has done a lot to achieve this goal you personally your team to whom this government team did the maximum possible to quickly fill out two parts or answer two parts of the questionnaire prepared by the european commission for ukraine, we continue active negotiations eh in general ukraine expects this decision more than 90%, if i am not mistaken as our sociology shows all all for membership in the european union, these are unprecedented numbers, and many are also very impressed by the firm position that we will not accept simulators. yes, we are not. we are talking now about a positive decision on candidacy status.

any creative solutions that i will offer to us in a different form for ukraine, judging by the statement of the minister of foreign affairs, are unacceptable and here is a difficult question, if you allow me. there will be a decision then to be a candidate for the candidates, what will ukraine say, look, we proceed from several points to obtain any decision except for the decision to grant ukraine the status of a candidate, we can do nothing we can sit and compose hands folded, filling out the questions and doing nothing, but until the last minute, until the summit ends, we will fight for this decision, because it is important not only for ukraine, it is important now for europe, either we will strengthen europe with this

decision or we will strengthen the russian position with this decision and we will say yes, european countries are afraid of russia, they do not see ukraine in their family, and so on. clearly, european leaders must realize that the next historical moment when there will be such a mobilization of their society and their parliaments in support of ukraine will not be and i believe that any decisions other than granting ukraine the status of a candidate will weaken, first of all, european leaders will weaken and will weaken our own desire er yes to our faith faith of ukrainian people in european projects as such, yesterday at the negotiations , when we discussed all the official arguments, i specifically addressed specific leaders and told them one phrase that you are sitting with me at the

negotiations and you have no idea how much you have ukrainian people believe, they believe in you more than in us. they believe in these values, you must not let them down, so i think that this decision will certainly disappoint us. of course, we will not give up on european integration, but we will feel that the leaders have wasted their historical chance . olga thank you very much and once again i want to support your work from the kyiv security forum and wish you success. we are all waiting for a positive decision and a firm principled position. of the ukrainian government, and i would like to turn my next questions to olena kondratyuk, deputy speaker of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, who is also an active participant in this

advocacy and large company in support of granting ukraine the status of a candidate for the european union to the deer union, thank you for being here. i know that you are continuing an active tour in many capitals of europe, and i would like to ask you to share with our audience, with a large ukrainian audience, your impressions and forecast, your word. thank you, dear mr. danylo thank you, dear arseniy petrovych, for the invitation to take part in today's online discussion. it seems to me that it is very important because, you know, we are on the threshold of such very big changes , as far as i am concerned. to poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, croatia, the czech republic, slovenia, spain and what today i would like to talk to you about in such a good circle of experts, it is about the role of parliamentary diplomacy as such, you know, it was

a very rich and successful visit as for me me for me i had a series of productive bilateral meetings with the speakers of the parliaments of the mentioned countries, presidents, prime ministers, mayors, and with our ukrainian communities. it was such a good opportunity to thank these countries on behalf of ukraine and the ukrainian people for the comprehensive political, military, economic, and humanitarian assistance we receive . the main thing is that we expect it to continue to receive those countries that were recognized by me as the presidium of the parliament , respectively, the head of the supreme council, ruslan stefanchuk, and the first deputy, oleksandr kornienko, as well visit continue their trips to other eu countries and we have agreed that someone should always remain in ukraine to lead the parliament in the absence of other assemblies. in this way, we maintain this continuous controllability and readiness of the verkhovna rada of the state institution to quickly respond to the needs of the country in the conditions of

our military why are we doing this, because now is a unique historical moment, i want to repeat it, too, and ukraine faces an extremely ambitious goal, such as obtaining the status of a candidate for eu membership already in june, on this very one of the european union, you know, on my facebook page, even such a discussion caught fire and flared up in the comments, they say, why are we moving so slowly, why are we all doubting whether to give us this status or not, but many it seems to me that they just know that they don't even understand how unique the situation is . accordingly, the decision about the candidate, for example, now in these situations of the balkan countries, that is why we saw that now we have such a historic chance to use time and not to miss such opportunity moments for success

, we have a kind of this, i would say it is very important embargo on political criticism inside the parliament, although we have different political factions of the party , if it were not difficult for us there now, well, we have the presence of a competition of ideas. but now we have one large faction in the parliament called ukraine. i think that this is a very important moment in spite of all our diverse views, we keep this unity and try to keep it, and we decided to use the potential of parliamentary cooperation and parliamentary diplomacy to convince the eu countries of the need to grant us the status of a candidate country for membership, we absolutely understand that this is actually a legal status that this is the first step to obtaining full membership, but this summit in june 22 is very important to us, why is this status important to us right now, i would like her fortieth audience to understand this too, as for me it is real

the opportunity to break this chain of war with the russian federation and to bring ukraine closer to its strategic goal of being a member of the european union and nato, not only to wrest ukraine from the gray zone of the russian federation's current influence in the european union, this is very important. the second is to show the real unity of the countries of the european union in to support ukraine and not give putin any chance of victory to show that there is no unity in the european union again and there is no unity around ukraine and the third is about what you have already said, danilov - this is according to the eurobarometer survey, 66% of europeans support ukraine's membership in the european union, and 71% believe that ukraine is part of the european family, and you said absolutely correctly that more than 91% of ukrainian citizens are in favor of ukraine's accession to the eu, and this is absolutely unprecedented, in my opinion, it is us it is impossible to miss this

chance, and ukraine deserved to become a member of the european union, because the armed forces protect not only our independence and freedom, but also the countries of the european union. by the way, the majority countries of the european union are parliamentary republics, therefore the most important and strategic strategic decisions as such are adopted precisely at the level of parliaments and then implemented by governments. i think that for our reality this is very important not to forget. i also want to say frankly that i am satisfied with the way ukraine has received us in my opinion, the interest in us is absolutely enormous, and thanks to our armed forces, once again repeating our courage to be ukrainians, many countries we were accepted on an equal footing with the new ones worthy of being members of the european union with great solidarity , understanding of our european ambitions

, empathy, readiness to help . in the countries of the european union, they are accepted as their own. they have almost the same rights there as the citizens of these countries , and during every trip we made sure to visit the center for providing assistance to forced migrants who received temporary protection from of the european union and we got acquainted on the spot with the conditions in which the citizens live, and these are mainly women and children, vulnerable groups for whom absolutely no support should be provided, and here, by the way, our citizens also face new challenges because they are fleeing the war, forced to flee see the real attitude of the values ​​of the countries of the european union adapt to cultural exchanges and see the difference from when with the years of the russian federation imposed there the

myths of the russian world, i.e. i think that this you just know democracy now a-a vision of how other countries live, how the citizens of these countries live. this is also a very important component for our citizens, and for one more observation, as for me, as in the conditions of war, women's leadership is also extremely important. women advocate joining the european union at the highest levels on international platforms, they coordinate large projects that launch the economy in the rear of e-e, they meet european standards, they also remain leaders of their communities on the ground, and it is important here to support them now, because the participation women at all levels of decision-making, this is also a very big european standard, we should not forget about it inside the country. therefore, during the visits, i received the main assurance from the leadership of each of the visited countries that they at all levels, parliamentary, governmental, presidential, support granting ukraine the status of a candidate for

eu members and that they share our european aspirations, believe in the inevitable membership of ukraine in the european union, at every high- level meeting, she personally addressed the speakers of the presidents prime ministers to advocate for the day in ukraine apply to their colleagues from other countries of the european union who have so-called doubts countries of the european union with a request to support granting ukraine the status of a candidate for membership already in june, and here my opinion, especially hers, is that each country and the opinion of each country is extremely important, there are currently no big and small countries of the european union, the voice of each country is absolutely important, and the new

eastern european countries will now play a big role here. they are now taking the lead in this. we also use trips for eu countries to raise the issue of bringing to international criminal responsibility all war criminals of the russian federation who committed atrocities here, too, it is extremely important that the political position of the parliament is to call a spade a spade, and that what russia is committing is genocide of the ukrainian people, these are your decisions you know, they burned down the parliaments of seven irreplaceable states. we really want the majority of european countries to join in. we also appealed to our colleagues to recognize russia as a terrorist country and ask to increase the sanctions pressure on the russian federation, that is, with such trips, if we can sum it up like that, we are actually forming such an extensive a strong network of advocates of our membership in the eu and allies of ukraine for the approach of joint victory

over the russian aggressor and the greatest result of our collective efforts of all and such success i would told the ukrainian parliamentary diplomacy, this is definitely a historic vote of the european parliament for the resolution on recommendations to grant ukraine the status of a member of the european union, you know that this decision was voted by the absolute majority of 438 meps, but if you look at the 65 meps who voted against, they are representatives of greece, european conservatives and independent meps germany and france are an ultra-right e-e party. and also independent deputies , representatives of bulgaria, a large group of leftists from france, sweden, belgium, ireland, germany, greece , spain and portugal, well, fortunately for you, a convincing majority in the european parliament is on our side, but

there are enough eurosceptics among far-right and left-wing conservatives in the european union, just like me, don't forget about vat. i don't want to make any predictions . regarding the results themselves by june 23-24, i absolutely believe in the actions and decisions made today, at least at the level of the european parliament, all of europe and ukraine received such a powerful signal about the need to give us regarding the status of the candidate, we understand that the candidacy is being repeated once again, this is not yet the accession, this is only the first step, there is a lot of work ahead to fulfill the criteria for membership, including legislative work, but today europe must realize that the absence of a positive decision at the summit in june will be a big defeat for the entire european union and geopolitical victory of the kremlin, we would not like that very much. thank you very much. your answer is actually the answer to all the questions that i would

like to clarify some details with. i'll just ask one thing, it's very short, for a short question, we're not happy that there is a sense of great political responsibility in the parliament, and there is actually a ban on mutual competition or political competition at this time, if it wasn't difficult at all. but nevertheless, is there a feeling for you the view of this responsibility for the next day, the day after tomorrow, when it will be necessary to perform important homework, the protection of democracy , the rule of law, the fight against corruption, the protection of parliamentarism, this responsibility is felt in parliament, you know. well, parliament is a reflection of society, and you know, we had a lot of predictions , including that society would not last three days there. yes, but the consolidation that exists now in society seems to me to be the same for now